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At Least 5 Killed By Police In New Orleans (Bad Guys Killed-Not Contractors)
WCCO.com ^ | 4 September A.D. 2004 | CBS

Posted on 09/04/2005 5:12:33 PM PDT by lightman

CBS) NEW ORLEANS Police shot and killed at least five people Sunday after gunmen opened fire on a group of contractors traveling across a bridge on their way to make repairs, authorities said.

Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley said police shot at eight people, killing five or six.

Fourteen contractors were traveling across the Danziger Bridge under police escort when they came under fire, said John Hall, a spokesman for the Army Corps of Engineers.

They were on their way to launch barges into Lake Pontchartrain to help plug the breech in the 17th Street Canal, Hall said.

None of the contractors was killed, Hall said.

The bridge spans a canal connecting Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River.

No other details, including whether any of the gunmen were killed, were immediately available.

The shootings come as the last weary refugees had been rescued from the Superdome and convention center and New Orleans turned its attention Sunday to gathering up and counting the dead across a ghastly landscape awash in thousands of corpses.

The bodies of those killed in Hurricane Katrina are everywhere: hidden in attics, floating in the ruined city, crumpled in wheelchairs, abandoned on highways.

"I think it's evident it's in the thousands," Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt said Sunday on CNN, echoing predictions by city and state officials last week about the death toll.

Craig Vanderwagen, rear admiral of the U.S. Public Health Service, said one morgue alone, at a St. Gabriel prison, expected 1,000 to 2,000 bodies.

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said it was likely thousands were dead based on the city's population of 500,000, the percentage who left before the storm hit and the number evacuated from the shelters.

"So you probably have another 50-60,000 out there," Nagin said. "You do the math, man, what do you think? Five percent is unreasonable? Ten percent? Twenty percent? It's going to be a big number."

"We are still in the emergency. People must take seriously the fact that we have enormous ongoing challenges which we have to address right now or we're going to continue to have serious problems," Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff Told CBS's Face The Nation.

Chertoddd warned the the scene was going to be as ugly as anyone can imagine.

He added rescuers going house to house have encountered a significant number of people who have said they do not want to evacuate, hindering relief efforts.

"We have to get them to shelter. We have to get them educated. We have to get them semi-permanent housing. We've got to dewater and clean up New Orleans. We've got an enormous challenge, and we've got one in Mississippi and in other parts of Louisiana and Alabama."

CBS News Correspondent Byron Pitts reports that at least 30 patients have died at the airport since Wednesday.

Sunday morning, a woman's body remained lying at the corner of Jackson Avenue and Magazine Street,, a business area in the lower Garden District with antique shops on the edge of blighted housing. The body had been there since at least Wednesday.

As days passed, people covered her with blankets or plastic.

By Sunday, a short wall of bricks had been built around her body, holding down a plastic tarpaulin. On it, someone had spray-painted a cross and the words, "Here lies Vera. God help us."

Leavitt said he had received a report of an outbreak of dysentery in Biloxi, Mississippi, with disease among the concerns of federal officials in the hurricane's aftermath. Dysentery is a painful intestinal disease that can cause dehydration and can sometimes be fatal.

The lack of clean drinking water in parts of the Gulf Coast region and standing flood waters with decomposing bodies and human waste in the streets of New Orleans could cause a rash of infectious diseases, including West Nile virus and the often fatal E. coli bacteria.

"All of the infectious diseases that occur when people are in large congregations of people can spread," Leavitt said.

Amid widespread criticism about a slow and ineffectual response to the crisis, the Bush administration dispatched several top officials to the region: Chertoff, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Richard Myers and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

President George W. Bush and first lady Laura Bush visited the Red Cross' disaster operation center, where they thanked employees. The president also announced that the White House would hold a blood drive on Friday.

Chertoff defended the job of Federal Emergency Management Agency Director Michael Brown and declined to get into a discussion about whether the government moved quickly and forcefully enough to deal with the catastrophe, saying there would be plenty of time for a review.

Chertoff told Face The Nation: "I think that the lesson of this hurricane, which we will clearly look at as we go over an after-action evaluation, is going to be very valuable in moving forward. I mean, this was an ultra-catastrophe, but we have to be prepared even for ultra-catastrophes, even things that happen once in a lifetime and once in a generation. So, yes, we will be studying that."

Three babies died at the convention center from heat exhaustion, said Mark Kyle, a medical relief provider.

But some progress was evident. The last 300 refugees at the Superdome were evacuated Saturday evening, eliciting cheers from members of the Texas National Guard who had been standing watch over the facility for nearly a week as some 20,000 hurricane survivors waited for rescue.

On Sunday, utilities planned to send trucks into the city to assess storm damage for the first time since Katrina struck. Morgan Stewart, a spokesman for electricity provider Entergy Corp., said the National Guard would escort the company's vehicles.

The convention center was "almost empty" after 4,200 people were removed, according to Marty Bahamonde, a spokesman for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Earlier estimates of the crowd climbed as high as 25,000.

Thousands of evacuees dragged their meager belongings to buses, the mood more numb than jubilant. Yolando Sanders, who had been stuck at the convention center for five days, was among those who filed past corpses to reach the buses.

"Anyplace is better than here," she said.

"People are dying over there."

Nearby, a woman lay dead in a wheelchair on the front steps. A man was covered in a black drape with a dry line of blood running to the gutter, where it had pooled. Another had lain on a chaise lounge for four days, his stocking feet poking out from under a quilt.

By mid-afternoon, only pockets of stragglers remained in the streets around the convention center, and New Orleans paramedics began carting away the dead.

The exact number of dead won't be known for some time. Survivors were still being plucked from roofs and shattered highways across the city. President Bush ordered more than 7,000 active duty forces to the Gulf Coast on Saturday.

"There are people in apartments and hotels that you didn't know were there," Army Brig. Gen. Mark Graham said.

The overwhelming majority of those stranded in the post-Katrina chaos were those without the resources to escape, and, overwhelmingly, they were black.

"The first few days were a natural disaster. The last four days were a man-made disaster," said Phillip Holt, 51, who was rescued from his home Saturday with his partner.

Tens of thousands of people had been evacuated from the city, seeking safety in Texas, Tennessee and many other states.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: BEYONDSUPERDOME; CORRUPT; CRIME; DANZIGERBRIDGE; GANGSTERS; HURRICANE; KATRINA; KATRINAFAILURES; LOOTERS; MADMAX; NATIONALGUARD; NEWORLEANS; NOPD; ROADWARRIOR
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Unlike previous discussions, this article makes clear that the NOPD fired upon and killed gunmen who were attacking workers. Rescue workers were not killed and were not fired upon. Includes statement by HOPD Chief.
1 posted on 09/04/2005 5:12:33 PM PDT by lightman
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To: lightman

This story still has something suspicious about it.
Ok,five snipers killed by NOPD.Great news.
Now lets see names,ages,and pics since I'm sure these thugs have a record out there doing more dirt.


2 posted on 09/04/2005 5:15:42 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: lightman

Is hiz honor, Mayor Ray Nagin, still in his drug bunker?


3 posted on 09/04/2005 5:15:47 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: lightman

Tell me when it reaches 100.


4 posted on 09/04/2005 5:16:09 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: lightman

What do you call 5 dead looting, killing and raping thugs?






A good start.


5 posted on 09/04/2005 5:19:05 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (Life is short, dance nekkid and wiggle your butt!)
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To: ncountylee

nah..he was on 60 minutes tonight dissin the gov..who needs it, and Pres. Bush..who doesn't..


6 posted on 09/04/2005 5:19:29 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (Honest officer, I wasn't speeding.....I was qualifying)
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To: lightman

"Police shot and killed at least five people Sunday after gunmen opened fire on a group of contractors traveling across a bridge on their way to make repairs, authorities said."




If it didn't say New Orleans before the start of this story, I'd think we were talking about Iraq. How sad is this.


9 posted on 09/04/2005 5:21:56 PM PDT by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *asses)
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To: Riverman94610

How do we know that it is not Islamic cell groups activated to cause political and social unrest during the diseaster? All my years of hearing about hurricane diseaster, rarely does criminals shoot at helicopters. Most of the time they want to be unnoticed as they go about looting.


10 posted on 09/04/2005 5:22:54 PM PDT by Fee (Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: lightman

This story was web posted at Sep 4, 2005 4:38 pm US/Central. The kill was posted at 6:35 PM Eastern, about an hour after CBS posted. Note that CBS writes, "The Associated Press contributed to this report."


11 posted on 09/04/2005 5:23:19 PM PDT by seamole (Non occides.)
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To: Fee

You are remembering the days before the left ginned up violent hatred It's cultural in the US now. Look for more, not less.


13 posted on 09/04/2005 5:37:19 PM PDT by I see my hands (Until this civil war heats up.. have a nice day.)
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To: seamole

I don't think the thread needs to be pulled since Fox is now reporting confirming this story. While there have been various versions, which described the gunmen as "looters" and another said the contractors were killed, this appears to be the right one.


14 posted on 09/04/2005 5:37:38 PM PDT by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *asses)
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To: seamole; Admin Moderator
Story is still very much on the AP page as of five minutes ago at http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050904/D8CDO9OG0.html

Note the byline timestamp:

Sep 4, 7:35 PM (ET)

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - Police shot and killed at least five people Sunday after gunmen opened fire on a group of contractors traveling across a bridge on their way to make repairs, authorities said.

Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley said police shot at eight people carrying guns, killing five or six.

Fourteen contractors were traveling across the Danziger Bridge under police escort when they came under fire, said John Hall, a spokesman for the Army Corps of Engineers.

They were on their way to launch barges into Lake Pontchartrain to help plug the breech in the 17th Street Canal, Hall said.

None of the contractors was injured, Mike Rogers, a disaster relief coordinator with the Army Corps of Engineers, told reporters in Baton Rouge.

The bridge spans a canal connecting Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River.

No other details were immediately available.

15 posted on 09/04/2005 5:38:42 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: lightman

I've been reading about this on the web and even the latest version makes no sense at ALL.

What could the possible motive be? Even if they were gang banger thugs, what is that they were trying to protect? A flooded and useless city filled with dead bodies?


16 posted on 09/04/2005 5:49:04 PM PDT by BallyBill (MSNBC: the MST3K of cable news.)
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To: Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator; BallyBill; lightman; All; cwb; GeorgiaDawg32; trubluolyguy; ...
I apologize to everyone for adding to the confusion.

Admin Moderator: To remove confusion, can you please remove my posts 7, 8 and 12? Thanks.

17 posted on 09/04/2005 5:52:35 PM PDT by seamole (Non occides.)
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To: lightman

I'd like some verification on the "bad guys". Names, identification, photos, rap sheet if US born. Status if illegal, or "visiting the States" on a foreign Visa.

Let the FBI and INS do thorough checks. Then deliver the dirt.

Jack.


18 posted on 09/04/2005 5:54:59 PM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Disemboweler of the WFTD Thread)
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To: seamole; Admin Moderator
"Story killed - please pull thread."

I just heard CBS news report on this, but saying there are conflicting stories.

19 posted on 09/04/2005 6:02:32 PM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: lightman

We should've had this kind of response *days* ago. At least they're finally giving these terrorists (and what else can you call them?) what they deserve!


20 posted on 09/04/2005 6:14:40 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Cindy Sheehan: "All You Are Saying Is Give APPEASEMENT A Chance!")
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To: cwb

The gun-grabbers are saying these roving gangs are "proof" the 2nd amendment shouldn't mean citizens should be armed.


21 posted on 09/04/2005 6:16:13 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Cindy Sheehan: "All You Are Saying Is Give APPEASEMENT A Chance!")
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To: lightman

5 dead is not nearly enough. The rapist/murderers of the 14-year old girl and 7 year old boy need to be flayed alive on the Superdome's 50-yard line.


22 posted on 09/04/2005 6:21:08 PM PDT by montag813
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To: lightman

It's about time LEA and the Army started plugging these crazy evil bastards!


23 posted on 09/04/2005 6:22:39 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: montag813

One of the rapists was allegedly terminated by the crowd.

It's good to see the adults with stones in charge now.


24 posted on 09/04/2005 6:24:21 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: lightman
President George W. Bush and first lady Laura Bush visited the Red Cross' disaster operation center, where they thanked employees. The president also announced that the White House would hold a blood drive on Friday.

Wasn't the President chastised earlier by names unknown for doing nothing but flying overhead to grasp at photo ops?

25 posted on 09/04/2005 6:26:49 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: lightman

After what we've heard all week, My prediction is that two weeks ago, the officers who shot those vermin were working in some other city and in just arrived a day or two ago and were sworn-in to assist in Katrina relief.


26 posted on 09/04/2005 6:48:54 PM PDT by fso301
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To: lightman
The overwhelming majority of those stranded in the post-Katrina chaos were those without the resources to escape, and, overwhelmingly, they were black.

Please, several of the white, productive residents of NOLA who had the means and the sense to drive away when the President begged you to, should return to the city and drown themselves as a mandate of affirmative action and common decency. We simply cannot have an imbalance due to this storm. We know you will understand.

27 posted on 09/04/2005 7:00:38 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: lightman

Just saw Fox, 2 bad guys dead, three wounded and the one who had escaped has been caught.


28 posted on 09/04/2005 7:15:36 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: Abcdefg

BUMP


29 posted on 09/04/2005 7:19:57 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: Abcdefg

Had the National Guard been there it would have been five dead, none wounded.


30 posted on 09/04/2005 7:21:12 PM PDT by usmcobra
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To: ncountylee

Yes, the Jones type bunker!


31 posted on 09/04/2005 7:23:08 PM PDT by RIGHT IN LAS VEGAS
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New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said it was likely thousands were dead based on the city's population of 500,000, the percentage who left before the storm hit and the number evacuated from the shelters.

"So you probably have another 50-60,000 out there," Nagin said. "You do the math, man, what do you think? Five percent is unreasonable? Ten percent? Twenty percent? It's going to be a big number."

Nagin could have saved hundreds of lives, if he had encouraged the city housing commission to make it mandatory to have inflatable lifeboats in each residential building.

Fire escapes are most likely mandatory. What were the odds of a citizen dying in a fire? What were the odds of a citizen drowning?

Nagin's known for a l-o-n-g time that New Orleans was threatened by submersion.

32 posted on 09/04/2005 7:28:54 PM PDT by syriacus (The young folks were IMPRESSED by their rescuers. Look for an increased military + guard enlistment)
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The last 300 refugees at the Superdome were evacuated Saturday evening, eliciting cheers from members of the Texas National Guard who had been standing watch over the facility for nearly a week as some 20,000 hurricane survivors waited for rescue.

Wuh? Where's the LANG?

33 posted on 09/04/2005 7:29:06 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: everyone

Five domestic terrorist vermin dead. Excellent. Let's hope for a lot more.


34 posted on 09/04/2005 7:37:43 PM PDT by California Patriot
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To: montag813

One of those rapists was beaten to death by the crowd.


35 posted on 09/04/2005 7:39:28 PM PDT by wimpycat (Hyperbole is the opiate of the activist wacko.)
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To: newzjunkey
The gun-grabbers are saying these roving gangs are "proof" the 2nd amendment shouldn't mean citizens should be armed.

The roving gangs apparently got their guns from Wal-Mart and other stores after the gun registry went down with the power and the store owners fled the city leaving the weapons unguarded.

This is absolute proof that gun registries and other laws are insufficient to keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

And today we see absolute proof that being armed can save your life and the lives of others, even if you're a "good person" who "nobody has a problem with" who is just "going about your business" and not "getting in anyone's way". A pity that more civilians weren't carrying, or this gang problem may never have materialized.

36 posted on 09/04/2005 7:42:39 PM PDT by seamole (Non occides.)
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To: Fee
How do we know that it is not Islamic cell groups activated to cause political and social unrest during the diseaster? All my years of hearing about hurricane diseaster, rarely does criminals shoot at helicopters. Most of the time they want to be unnoticed as they go about looting

Well, with 5 of them dead and at least one wounded, we should know shortly.

If there are such cells in the area, expect the levee's to be blown about the time the water is almost pumped out. Of course, by then, no one will care, not even those now termed evacuees.

37 posted on 09/04/2005 7:46:59 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Sender

Sender,
I presume they forgot about the three hundred plus buses the mayor did not order to evac all those people?

They chose to stay and now pay the consequences and Biloxi was hit far harder than NO. Yet no looting, raping and killings there.

I have no compassion for adults who fail to exercise common sense. I do for the "little children" who suffer, because of an ignorant mayor, governor, and their parents who chose not to leave.

I do not know you so I do not owe you,
NSNR-CW


38 posted on 09/04/2005 7:50:14 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: California Patriot

If the are looting, raping and murdering, Terminate with extrme prejudice.

Five less on the welfare rolls, ADC and public assistance.

NSNR


39 posted on 09/04/2005 7:53:40 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: lightman

FOX News reported 8 dead earlier today.


40 posted on 09/04/2005 7:55:00 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (The alternative media is our Enigma machine.)
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To: lightman

The canal has a set of locks that allow vessels to enter/exit the lake/river depending where you want to go. There is another set across the river to do the same thing that allows one to get to Lafitte, Larose, and Grand Isle etc.


41 posted on 09/04/2005 7:55:25 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there, that's the best!!)
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To: lightman

"You do the math, man, what do you think? Five percent is unreasonable? Ten percent? Twenty percent? It's going to be a big number."

lol, apparently he can't!


42 posted on 09/04/2005 7:56:41 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Liberals believe common sense facts are open to debate!)
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To: sam_paine
Wuh? Where's the LANG?

Part is there in NOLA, but their main MP unit is deployed to Iraq, but were already in the process of returning when the storm hit. AFAIK, they aren't back yet.

43 posted on 09/04/2005 7:56:43 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: seamole
The roving gangs apparently got their guns from Wal-Mart and other stores after the gun registry went down with the power and the store owners fled the city leaving the weapons unguarded.

The gang bangers were reportedly armed with AK-47s. WalMart doesn't carry those, even allowing for journalist mis identification, Wally World doesn't carry SKSs or semiauto clones of AKs either. Some gun shops do of course, but there aren't all that many gun shops in the affected area. There are lots of pawn shops, but few if any of those would have the AK clones or SKSs either.

If they stole guns from WalMart, they'd be armed with 7mm, .270 or 30-06 deer rifles, .22s or bird hunting type shotguns. Perhaps in those regions where deer must be taken with shotguns, WM might carry shotgun designed as slug throwers. (shorter barrel, iron sights (shotguns typically only have a front bead sight and no rear sight), and maybe a rifled barrel. The closest WalMart ever came to carrying Ugly Black Guns, was when you could order a Ruger Mini-14/30 from a catalog, and that included the ones with black composite stocks, but I don't know if they still have that catlog or not. At one time you could order handguns via the catalog, although they didnot stock them otherwise.

44 posted on 09/04/2005 8:06:15 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: ncountylee

The Mayor was smokin up that last rock before he went on TV the other night.


45 posted on 09/04/2005 8:10:57 PM PDT by anton
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

Today's killing of five vermin has probably prevented twice that many murders in future years, if not more.

Let's see some more "prevention."


46 posted on 09/04/2005 8:20:41 PM PDT by California Patriot
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To: El Gato

I agree with you. The AK-47 reference made no sense. The most AK-47/SKS style weapons I've seen in one place is at a gun show. It just isn't likely that the average looter could or would break into a major city sporting goods store and walk out with an AK-47 or SKS and ammo. The closest thing to an assault rifle available at a retail point such as Walmart is a Ruger Mini-14 or Mini-30, and neither rifle looks anything like an AK-47 or SKS.


47 posted on 09/04/2005 8:28:03 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: El Gato
  1. So assuming that both media reports were correct, the looting of the gun department at Walmart could be considered the procurement of essential supplies by an otherwise law-abiding populace beset by gangs armed with assault rifles?
  2. And again assuming that the media was right about the AK/SKS rifles, are these commonly used in urban drug wars? Or does it appear that there's some different element at work here in the streets of New Orleans?

48 posted on 09/04/2005 8:59:24 PM PDT by seamole (Non occides.)
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To: lightman
At Least 5 Killed By Police In New Orleans

Only 5? Not the best record considering 2 police committed suicide 1 was shot in the head and many quit, so the current balance is more positive for thugs, police lost more members than the thugs were killed, pathetic.

49 posted on 09/04/2005 9:08:57 PM PDT by Anticommie
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To: Fee

I concur.


50 posted on 09/04/2005 9:31:18 PM PDT by Treeless Branch
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