Hi I run a PCBoard BBS in Indianapolis, and have been running BBS's for 10 years now. I have one of the origional PCBoard serial numbers, my BBS is of good size "18 public nodes, 4 gigs, and around 900 conferences". I do know what I am doing. This is not an ad for my BBS, so I will not leave a phone number. After careful consideration I have come to the conclusion that I should warn everyone about Intelec and Cliff Whatkins. I have had numerous problems with his flagrant authority and the way he runs his network. Cases in point: 1. I joined his network because he said it was a lot less hassels than RIME. I have had more problems with Cliff than anyone else I call to run mail with. I was calling him directly to get the Intelec, Interzone, and Vnet conferences. I was not allowed to get mail for over 2 months because I had an incorrect tag line. I called him and left messages on his system for these 2 months trying to get back on. He would not do it until he had time to actually verify my tag line in my config file for rnet; wouldn't even let me run a test message to him to verify it. On top of that I sat here calling him at least 24 times, and he was never in. Finally I got him to look at my config file and let me back on. 2. I was notified about 4 weeks ago that he had too many sysops getting mail from his system. I was told bluntly to call another system of his choosing to get the mail. I was getting about 200 conferences from him. I told him it would take me a little while to reconfigure rnet for another bbs system. The next day I no longer had access to get onto Cliffs BBS. The guy he gave me to does not have the same mail door, nor does he have the conferences numbered the same. I spent all day Saturday loading new software, getting it to work, and matching conference numbers. I was notified by the new guy that his system is so busy "SMALL 2 LINES" that I need a time slot to call in to get the mail. He also does not carry all of the conferences that I picked up from Cliff Watkins at Intelec. I just recieved a message from the sysop of the new system that he talked to Cliff and Cliff said "TOUGH". So now I have conferences configured on my system and have no mail access to update them!!! WHAT A CROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you are thinking about joining Intelec, then think twice! This is what I just went through and thought that I should warn everyone.