CBBS(R) 4.0.3b 07/05/91 00:13:42 Y/N: want CBBS "1st time user" info?^U ?^U ?^U ?n;ward;christensen;odraw;;fullc;piss Logging name to disk... You are caller 222423; next msg =44945; 374 active msgs. Prev. call 07/02/91 @ 07:33, next msg was 44929 Recording logon for next time... Use FULL? to check assignments ?^U ?xxxxx "Mine" command checking f >Function:?dir c:log;dir c:killed;dir summary;type-20 log,ward c;or;*;short LOG. 5 KILLED. 10 SUMMARY. 25 07/02/91,07:33:13,222376,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, 07/02/91,07:37:59,222377,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, E#44929, E#44930, 07/02/91,07:46:52,222378,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, E#44931, E#44932,15 07/02/91,09:46:48,222379,2,DON PIVEN,,2 07/02/91,09:51:40,222380,2,BOB JOHNSTON,,3 07/02/91,12:16:22,222381,1,DAVID JOHNSON,,10 07/02/91,14:17:56,222382,2,BILL WOLFF,,1 07/02/91,15:01:21,222383,2,CLIFF SHARP,, E#44933, E#44934, E#44935,15 07/02/91,15:55:41,222384,1,LANE LARRISON,, 07/02/91,18:34:06,222385,1,MIKE KAVADIAS,,5 07/02/91,19:22:05,222386,9,IRA SACHS,Evanston/ Il, 07/02/91,19:49:02,222387,9,BEN TEIFELD,,7 07/02/91,21:10:54,222388,2,JOHN SERRANO,, E#44936,7 07/02/91,21:27:12,222389,2,JAMES SCHMIDT,,3 07/02/91,21:40:17,222390,3,MURRAY ARNOW,,2 07/02/91,22:30:00,222391,9,THOM QUICK,,2 07/02/91,23:25:31,222392,2,JOHN ADAMOWSKI,BENSENVILLE, >Help: //, >Help: //,41 ]THANKS FOR THE TIME AND USE OF THIS BBS, I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY YET, BUT HOPEFULLY I WILL IN THE FUTURE. JOHN ADAMOWSKI, 07/03/91,00:08:24,222393,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, E#44937,4 07/03/91,00:21:44,222394,3,FERNANDO MARTINEZ,CURITIBA/PARANA,20 07/03/91,06:14:07,222395,1,ANDY SHAPIRO,,4 07/03/91,06:38:03,222396,2,PETE JONES,,1 07/03/91,09:21:49,222397,2,ED FOSTER,, E#44938, E#44939,6 07/03/91,10:07:16,222398,3,N KIND,,6 07/03/91,10:11:04,222399,3,N KIND,,9 07/03/91,12:34:30,222400,1,JOE SEROCKI,, E#44940,4 07/03/91,16:15:25,222401,2,BILL GRZANICH,WAUKEGAN IL,4 07/03/91,18:37:34,222402,2,LARRY GLASSMAN,,1 07/03/91,18:56:23,222403,2,BILL WOLFF,,3 07/03/91,19:39:00,222404,2,BILL MATTSON,,2 07/03/91,21:27:02,222405,2,JOHN SERRANO,,1 07/03/91,21:41:10,222406,3,MURRAY ARNOW,, E#44941,28 07/04/91,00:38:07,222407,2,BILL COLEMAN,,11 ]BILL COLEMAN, 07/04/91,01:50:06,222408,2,CHARLIE KESTNER,,11 07/04/91,07:07:04,222409,2,KEVIN KEYSER,,18 07/04/91,09:33:54,222410,9,HARV MILLMAN,,1 07/04/91,10:45:01,222411,1,PETER FLIEGEL,,8 07/04/91,11:02:01,222412,2,ALEX ZELL,, 07/04/91,11:41:43,222413,2,JOHN SERRANO,,5 07/04/91,11:52:47,222414,2,MICHAEL SHARTIAG,,6 07/04/91,13:07:53,222415,9,JAMES KARAGANIS,, E#44942, E#44943,8 07/04/91,15:48:29,222416,1,ANDY SHAPIRO,, E#44944,7 07/04/91,16:51:34,222417,9,BEN TEIFELD,,2 07/04/91,18:21:50,222418,9,JIM POLOUS,,8 07/04/91,18:34:34,222419,9,DAVID GIBBS,,1 07/04/91,18:52:12,222420,2,LARRY GLASSMAN,,1 07/04/91,20:40:50,222421,3,MURRAY ARNOW,,1 07/04/91,21:16:40,222422,2,JEFF GORDON,, 07/05/91,00:13:46,222423,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, 44929 07/02/91 WARD CHRISTENSEN => MICHAEL SHARTIAG: "R/NEED LAYOUT OF RODIME 2024" 44930X 07/02/91 WARD CHRISTENSEN => MICHAEL SHARTIAG: "R/NEED LAYOUT OF RODIME 2024" 44931 07/02/91 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ALA LUKE: "CBBS" 44932 07/02/91 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ALA LUKE: "CBBS" 44933 07/02/91 CLIFF SHARP => BILL WOLFF: "R/POWER-OFF CONTROVERSY" 44934 07/02/91 CLIFF SHARP => MURRAY ARNOW: "R/CRT LIFETIMES" 44935 07/02/91 CLIFF SHARP => MURRAY ARNOW: "R/CRT LIFETIMES" 44936 07/02/91 JOHN SERRANO => ALL: "LOOKING FOR A KEYBOARD" 44937 07/03/91 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ALL: "HARD DISK WOES" 44938 07/03/91 ED FOSTER => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/MODEM CONNECT" 44939 07/03/91 ED FOSTER => ALL: "CRT LIFETIMES" 44940 07/03/91 JOE SEROCKI => ALL: "RC AIRCRAFT WANTED" 44941 07/03/91 MURRAY ARNOW => ED FOSTER: "R/CRT LIFETIMES" 44942 07/04/91 JAMES KARAGANIS => JERRY OLSEN: "C BOOKS" 44943 07/04/91 JAMES KARAGANIS => ALA LUKE: "C BOOKS" 44944 07/04/91 ANDY SHAPIRO => THOM QUICK: "R/ZENITH 151 HELP" ---- End of summary ---- Retrieving flagged msgs: C skips, K aborts. Msg 44929 is 27 line(s) on 07/02/91 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to MICHAEL SHARTIAG re: R/NEED LAYOUT OF RODIME 2024 Here's a list of Rodime - doesn't have a 2024, but does have 202"x": RODIME 407-997-0774 --------------------------------------------------------------------- MODEL ST-506 CAP CYL H RWC WPC ENC RATE ACCESS SPT RO 101 5.25 FH 6 192 2 96 192 M 5 17 RO 102 5.25 FH 12 192 4 96 192 M 5 17 RO 103 5.25 FH 18 192 6 96 192 M 5 55 MS 17 RO 104 5.25 FH 24 192 8 96 192 M 5 17 RO 201 5.25 FH 5 321 2 132 300 M 5 85 MS 17 RO 201E 5.25 FH 11 640 2 264 300 M 5 55 MS 17 RO 202 5.25 HH 10 321 4 132 300 M 5 85 MS 17 RO 202E 5.25 FH 21 640 4 264 300 M 5 55 MS 17 RO 203 5.25 HH 15 321 6 132 300 M 5 85 MS 17 RO 203E 5.25 FH 32 640 6 264 300 M 5 55 MS 17 RO 204 5.25 FH 21 320 8 132 300 M 5 85 MS 17 RO 204E 5.25 FH 43 640 8 264 300 M 5 55 MS 17 RO 251 5.25 HH 5 306 2 307 307 M 5 85 MS 17 RO 252 5.25 HH 11 306 4 64 128 M 5 85 MS 17 RO 351 5 306 2 307 307 M 5 85 MS 17 RO 352 3.5" 11 306 4 64 128 M 5 85 MS 17 RO 365 3.5" 21 612 4 613 613 M 5 17 RO 3045 37 872 5 873 - M 5 28 MS 17 RO 3055 45 872 6 873 - M 5 28 MS 17 RO 3065 53 872 7 - - M 5 28 MS 17 RO 5065 5.25 HH 63 - 5 - - M 5 28 MS 17 RO 5090 5.25 HH 89 1224 7 - - M 5 28 MS 17 No msg 44930 Msg 44931 is 20 line(s) on 07/02/91 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to ALA LUKE re: CBBS Please, as the bulletins say, don't call me "sysop" - I hate being treated generically! Also please use lower case! CBBS automatically translated your hard-to-read all-upper-case messages to lower case to make it easier for others - but they'd be more readable if you used normal lower case with upper case in the usual ways - EMPHASIS, etc. I don't know what you mean by "key commands on the screen". Do you mean the results of the ? command? Most communications programs allow you to capture to disk or print, so you can have a copy printed out and don't need to look at it online. I see you always enter things 40 columns wide - if you are running some kind of a system that supports only 40 columns, then I could see that you would have trouble - with EVERYTHING, and that isn't CBBS's problem. When CBBS was programmed in 1978, it handled 64 wide columns as that was the standard of those days for microcomputer displays, but soon went to 80 columns as more and more people got "real" CRTs for their systems. Finally, as you'll note from most messages, there is no need to address or sign your msgs, and the msg header does this very nicely for you. Also indenting an entire message does nothing. I GUESS I can't complain it wastes disk space as we have 5M free for msgs, but I just see no point in the information-less spaces in front of each line. Msg 44932 is 18 line(s) on 07/02/91 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to ALA LUKE re: CBBS Ooh, I forgot one thing: you commented on having to "scroll through tons of screens before I can execute a command". Do you know the standard means of suspending and continuing output on remote systems: the use of control-S to suspend, and control-Q to resume? With this, you can pause to see what is being given to you - apparently you don't or can't or haven't read all the "tons of screens" which are, among other things, telling you how to make use of CBBS. For example, when I log on, I am able to start entering a message with about 6 lines or less of information coming from CBBS. For example, after you've seen the bulletin or welcome, you can ^K them - just as it says you can. Pressing control-K will abort out of what you're doing. Once you've entered your name, you should get right to the command menu. Once you become an expert user - i.e. have memorized the few commands you need, you can run the "x" command to turn on the expert user flag which will stop sending you long prompts. Also, you can separate multiple commands with ";" so for example you can log on as: n;ala;luke;o;* to log on, and request a one-line summary of messages since your last call. Msg 44933 is 14 line(s) on 07/02/91 from CLIFF SHARP to BILL WOLFF re: R/POWER-OFF CONTROVERSY Hiya, Bill. Well, I wouldn't worry about screen burn these days what with all the screen savers (blankers) there are to choose from. But what I've noted about the situation is that leaving a set on most (if not all) of the day every day is that the cathode emission gradually goes down, and the cathode(s) develop a peculiarity such that they warm up VERY slowly (sometimes hours! before a good picture). The rejuvenators are good, as you say, and they're just as dangerous as you say they are. Some are better than others, I've found. A friend owns a really good one, and his tech knows that machine better than anyone else; I'm no slouch when it comes to that stuff, but when my CRT needs a shot and Pete is available I have HIM do it. The small voltage on the filaments of some sets is a good thing; but remember that with the set off, there's no cathode current, and it doesn't seem to affect the warmup thing. Msg 44934 is 04 line(s) on 07/02/91 from CLIFF SHARP to MURRAY ARNOW re: R/CRT LIFETIMES I always thought of the getter as being the actual anode of a CRT, and never thought of it as helping keep vacuum in the bottle. Now that I think of it, though, a metal deposition would certainly help hide the porousness of the glass. Interesting information one finds around here! Msg 44935 is 02 line(s) on 07/02/91 from CLIFF SHARP to MURRAY ARNOW re: R/CRT LIFETIMES Most interesting discussion! I had always wondered about the discoloration I see on so many old 25XP22 tubes (naturally, they're in VERY old sets!). Msg 44936 is 03 line(s) on 07/02/91 from JOHN SERRANO to ALL re: LOOKING FOR A KEYBOARD I have an IBM 84-key AT keyboard attached to my 386 clone. To put it bluntly, I don't care very much for the keyboard. I am looking for a genuine IBM Enhanced Keyboard for the AT, n.i.b., if possible. Thanks. Msg 44937 is 14 line(s) on 07/03/91 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to ALL re: HARD DISK WOES Well, it appears when it rains, it pours. Yesterday my Colorado Jumbo tape drive ate a tape, so my backup didn't work. I called Colorado, and 24 hrs later I've got a new drive in my hands. Unfortunately, my hard drive doesn't run now! Spins, but apparently the seek mechanism has given up the ghost. It gets "non system disk or disk error", meaning it is sitting on the boot track, and can't seek past that. Fortunately, when the Colorado died, I networked to my other system, and ran a backup tape to IT. Tonight, it seems that tape is unreadable! Aaaargh. Time to figure out what drive to get - a 100M or so IDE - with 8-bit controller. (I'm still running an 8mhz Bullet motherboard in my PC as a communications system). The drive that died is a 2.5 year old Priam half-height. Msg 44938 is 06 line(s) on 07/03/91 from ED FOSTER to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/MODEM CONNECT I have also experienced this phenomenon of having to dial twice for one connect. I'm using a Prometheus 2400 internal, and I find that I must recognize that it won't connect, break it myself, and redial after a few seconds. Occasionally that doesn't work either, and I have to cut back to 1200 or wait until the next day. By the way, an acquaintance of mine calls this the "ocean" sound. Msg 44939 is 13 line(s) on 07/03/91 from ED FOSTER to ALL re: CRT LIFETIMES I had to chuckle at the estimate of 5K or 10K hours of CRT life, because I happened to be reading it on an 8-year-old monochrome monitor that has spent most of its 8-year life turned on. It is one of the original IBM PC monitors, and I like it because its extremely slow phosphor (P39 as I recall) gives almost no flicker. They're not making these anymore, and I hate to see this one go, so I use a screen saver with a 5-minute timer. "Slow" means that there is an after-image, so that the phosphor keeps glowing even after the electron beam has been suppressed. It makes the tube useless with light pens (remember them?), and I suspect that it also makes the screen vulnerable to permanent alteration by, perhaps, alteration to the molecular structure. You rarely see burn-in on a color CRT, mainly because the phosphors are faster and "harder", even though the electrons hitting them are moving faster. Msg 44940 is 02 line(s) on 07/03/91 from JOE SEROCKI to ALL re: RC AIRCRAFT WANTED I am looking for rc airplanes and helicopters and equipment. I can be reached at 708-632-8723. Thanks, Joe. Msg 44941 is 10 line(s) on 07/03/91 from MURRAY ARNOW to ED FOSTER re: R/CRT LIFETIMES I'm glad I gave you a chuckle. The fact is the lifetimes quoted were average lifetimes. The fact you have a tube that lasts longer is anecdotal. Also it is difficult to compare an old monitor performance to how it looked when it was new. You make all sorts of accomadations because you have a brightness control and your memory of how it looked when new is impaired. Your conjecture about the phosphors has what sort of basis. I have seen screen damage on color tubes. The screen damage was actually the glass becoming discolored. My info isn't anecdotal. I have a Ph.D. in physics and have been involved in designing CRT's and measuring their lifetimes. What I have been saying can be substantiated. Msg 44942 is 05 line(s) on 07/04/91 from JAMES KARAGANIS to JERRY OLSEN re: C BOOKS Jerry, Thanks for the info. My partner and I have decided to graduate from straight assembler coding to doing some projects in "C". Consequently, we decided to take a course in it ... the books you recommended should help. Thanks. Msg 44943 is 01 line(s) on 07/04/91 from JAMES KARAGANIS to ALA LUKE re: C BOOKS Thanks Ala, for the recommendations. Msg 44944 is 14 line(s) on 07/04/91 from ANDY SHAPIRO to THOM QUICK re: R/ZENITH 151 HELP Thanks for the info -- my machine has the video/floppy controller setup. I'm hoping to find a controller card for floppies only, and replace the current video with mono graphics. As to memory expansion, yes, I think a six-pak type setup would be best; that would give me clock space as well. There is a PAL on the market that will make the memory card take 246K chips, as well, and another that disables the CGA circuitry. We sha;; (shall) see how it goes. One other thing I like about the machine -- unlike the IBM PC, which happily sucks air through every case opening and shoots it out the back, the Zenith models seem to have pressurized cases -- air flows OUT through openings. Should help keep dust out! Did I say floppy only controller? I meant, of course, hard/floppy... Thanks again for the help! No dup. chars. >Function:?CBBS(R) 4.0.3b 07/05/91 22:52:02 Y/N: want CBBS "1st time user" info?^U ?^U ?^U ?n;ward;christensen;odraw;;fullc;piss Logging name to disk... You are caller 222447; next msg =44949; 369 active msgs. Prev. call 07/05/91 @ 00:13, next msg was 44945 Recording logon for next time... Use FULL? to check assignments ?^U ?xxxxx "Mine" command checking for msgs TO you, ^K >Function:?dir c:log;dir c:killed;dir summary;type-20 log,ward c;or;*;short LOG. 6 KILLED. 15 SUMMARY. 24 07/05/91,00:13:46,222423,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, E#44945,6 07/05/91,00:46:41,222424,9,DENNIS LEONG,,7 07/05/91,02:08:30,222425,9,ERIC BOHLMAN,,4 07/05/91,04:03:15,222426,2,ALEX ZELL,, 07/05/91,04:36:03,222427,2,PETE JONES,,1 07/05/91,06:29:00,222428,2,MICHAEL MCDANIEL,,2 07/05/91,08:10:19,222429,2,PAUL VADER,Arlington Heights/ IL,4 07/05/91,09:25:50,222430,2,BOB JOHNSTON,, E#44946,10 07/05/91,09:41:43,222431,2,TOM KOWALCZYK,Burbank/ Il.,5 07/05/91,10:20:11,222432,2,BILL FISCHER,, E#44947,2 07/05/91,10:24:15,222433,1,PETER FLIEGEL,,0 07/05/91,10:34:00,222434,2,BILL FISCHER,,2 07/05/91,10:40:21,222435,2,DON PIVEN,,3 07/05/91,10:54:38,222436,9,TONY ANTONUCCI,,13 07/05/91,13:13:44,222437,2,JOHN SERRANO,,1 07/05/91,13:58:03,222438,2,ALEX ZELL,, E#44948,11 ]Yeah, I know Randy spelled it differently, but we have an image to maintain. ALEX ZELL, 07/05/91,15:01:06,222439,9,BRIAN SCHAER,,3 07/05/91,18:42:25,222440,2,DANIEL ABRAMS,Deerfield/ IL.,5 07/05/91,18:49:09,222441,2,BILL WOLFF,,0 07/05/91,19:56:02,222442,2,DON PIVEN,,1 07/05/91,20:51:46,222443,2,JOHN CARSON,Burlington,4 ]Will read my buffer & sign on later. bye JOHN CARSON, 07/05/91,21:44:57,222444,3,MURRAY ARNOW,,4 07/05/91,22:19:03,222445,9,THOM QUICK,,2 07/05/91,22:47:45,222446,2,CLIFF SHARP,,2 07/05/91,22:52:06,222447,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, 44945 07/05/91 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ALL: "HARD DRIVE WOES" 44946 07/05/91 BOB JOHNSTON => ALL: "CORONA PC" 44947 07/05/91 BILL FISCHER => ALL: "CHINET DOWN?" 44948 07/05/91 ALEX ZELL => BILL FISCHER/ALL: "CHINET FEELS THE HEAT TOO" ---- End of summary ---- Retrieving flagged msgs: C skips, K aborts. Msg 44945 is 06 line(s) on 07/05/91 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to ALL re: HARD DRIVE WOES Well, fixed my problems - a ST1144, 124M, and an 8-bit controller. Being my first IDE drive, it was kind of a "thrill" and yet a "letdown" - you just plug the drive in, and "poof" it is there, FDISK sees it, etc. Nice and fast, too - probably TOO fast for my little 8mhz 640K commo PC. Partitioned it to match the Jumbo tape drive - I'm conservative, still on DOS 3.3. Msg 44946 is 04 line(s) on 07/05/91 from BOB JOHNSTON to ALL re: CORONA PC does anyone have or know someone that has a corona pc i want to install a cga or vga monitor and do not have the manual for this 8088 machine for motherboard switch settings Msg 44947 is 02 line(s) on 07/05/91 from BILL FISCHER to ALL re: CHINET DOWN? Has anyone heard the status of chinet? Seems to have been down for a day or so. Msg 44948 is 02 line(s) on 07/05/91 from ALEX ZELL to BILL FISCHER/ALL re: CHINET FEELS THE HEAT TOO Chinet was down 1 July for 5 hours suffering from heat prostration. Apparently had a relapse today. Should be back up later today. No dup. chars. >Function:?r;-2 Msg 44947 is 02 line(s) on 07/05/91 from BILL FISCHER to ALL re: CHINET DOWN? Has anyone heard the status of chinet? Seems to have been down for a day or so. -End of 44947 Msg #:?re Msg 44949 01 ?