CBBS(R) 4.0.3b 12/19/89 21:23:32 Y/N: want CBBS "1st time user" info?^U ?^U ?^U ?n;ward;christensen;odraw;;fullc;piss Logging name to disk... You are caller 211175; next msg =42929; 382 active msgs. Prev. call 12/18/89 @ 00:16, next msg was 42912 Recording logon for next time. Use FULL? to check assignments ?^U ?xxxxx "Mine" command checking fo >Function:?dir c:log;dir c:killed;dir summary;type-30 log,ward c;or;*;short LOG. 14 KILLED. 30 SUMMARY. 25 12/18/89,00:16:58,211136,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, E#42912, E#42913, ]S,MESSAGE.X56, ]S,MESSAGE.X58, E#42914,20 12/18/89,00:51:38,211137,2,BILL MATTSON,,3 12/18/89,04:43:51,211138,2,PETE JONES,,2 12/18/89,06:16:23,211139,2,LARRY MITCHELL,Laurel/ MD , E#42915,6 12/18/89,06:38:59,211140,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,, E#42916,8 12/18/89,10:14:35,211141,3,PHIL SCHUMAN,,3 12/18/89,11:58:38,211142,1,MICHAEL BLAKE,,1 12/18/89,12:00:09,211143,1,GARY MCCOY,,13 12/18/89,13:46:10,211144,2,HERB SCHULZ,,3 12/18/89,15:41:28,211145,2,JOEL WEINER,,4 12/18/89,17:03:57,211146,1,TOM LUBECK,, E#42917,6 12/18/89,17:24:38,211147,2,GARY ELFRING,,3 12/18/89,17:55:10,211148,1,RICHARD GOZDAL,, E#42918,5 12/18/89,19:48:30,211149,2,ALEX ZELL,,8 ]On Olsen's BBS, one way (other than protocols) to upload is to go into cpm by command "C" in msg base. Then do "Chat D." Will be like here in g;y = accepts ASCII direct, up to 16 or so K.f* ALEX ZELL,10 12/18/89,20:06:09,211150,3,COLIN SCHROEDER,, E#42919, E#42920,17 12/18/89,20:27:12,211151,2,MIKE SANDMAN,, 12/18/89,21:25:01,211152,1,BILL WOLFF,, E#42921,16 12/18/89,21:46:05,211153,1,LANE LARRISON,,4 12/18/89,22:10:51,211154,2,BENJAMIN COHEN,, E#42922, E#42923,15 12/18/89,22:27:39,211155,2,CHARLES ARTHUR,chicago,8 12/18/89,22:36:34,211156,2,DAVE LEONARD,PARK RIDGE/ Il,2 12/18/89,22:42:03,211157,1,DONNIE STUHLMAN,,10 12/18/89,22:53:07,211158,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,, E#42924, E#42925,18 12/19/89,00:14:54,211159,2,BOB VON BORSTEL,,2 12/19/89,05:56:34,211160,1,MICHAEL MCDANIEL,,6 12/19/89,06:38:39,211161,2,JACK HOMA,,4 12/19/89,06:44:26,211162,2,MICHAEL MOSER,, E#42926,11 12/19/89,07:44:28,211163,2,ALEX ZELL,, 12/19/89,10:27:09,211164,2,CHERYL SLUDER,,8 12/19/89,12:00:00,211165,2,CHUCK SAMEK,,2 ]CHUCK SAMEK, 12/19/89,12:19:00,211166,1,GARY MCCOY,,2 12/19/89,14:06:18,211167,2,MARTY LINGG,, 12/19/89,14:44:04,211168,2,CLIFF SHARP,, E#42927, E#42928,10 12/19/89,14:55:43,211169,3,BOB KOBETSKY,,9 12/19/89,15:41:29,211170,2,RICHARD HINTON,,1 12/19/89,19:07:40,211171,2,JAMES SCHMIDT,,2 12/19/89,20:17:50,211172,2,JERRY OLSEN,,8 ]Thanx for following through on the DTP offer....Address is: 899 S. Plymouth Ct. #504 Chicago 60605 Yep, hardcopy for comparison is critical. As for U/L privileges over my way, we've developed a requirement that all callers who want file xfer status must provide verifiable address and phone number, as noted in the new ser Validation screen displayed on your first call (and repeatable from the main menu at any time). Over the years I've had a large number of requests for "exceptions" to the policy developed by callers our way. But I like to be able to say that everyone's treated equally. :-) If you would like, include a phone number in your package and a reminder that you'd like full validated status and I'll take care of it promptly after returning to town next week (leaving tomorrow a.m.). Again, many thanx. JERRY OLSEN, 12/19/89,20:34:04,211173,2,JIM POLOUS,,1 12/19/89,20:43:58,211174,1,KEVIN KEYSER,,7 12/19/89,21:23:36,211175,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, 42912 12/18/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => RICHARD GOZDAL: "R/COPYRIGHT HELP." 42913 12/18/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => BRENT JONES: "R/EDITORS" 42914 12/18/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => JERRY OLSEN: "PUB" 42915 12/18/89 LARRY MITCHELL => ALL: "COIN COLLECTORS NEEDED!" 42916 12/18/89 ERIC BOHLMAN => BOB SULLIVAN: "R/NEW TI VOICE CHIP" 42917 12/18/89 TOM LUBECK => ALL: "S130 DATA GENERAL" 42918 12/18/89 RICHARD GOZDAL => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/COPYRIGHT HELP." 42919 12/18/89 COLIN SCHROEDER => BRENT JONES: "R/EDITORS" 42920 12/18/89 COLIN SCHROEDER => ALL: "VIDEO BIOS PATCHES" 42921 12/18/89 BILL WOLFF => BRENT JONES: "R/EDITORS" 42922 12/18/89 BENJAMIN COHEN => RICHARD GOZDAL: "R/COPYRIGHT HELP." 42923 12/18/89 BENJAMIN COHEN => ALL: "MAGAZINES HAVE GOT TO GO" 42924 12/18/89 ERIC BOHLMAN => COLIN SCHROEDER: "R/VIDEO BIOS PATCHES" 42925 12/18/89 ERIC BOHLMAN => BENJAMIN COHEN: "R/COPYRIGHT HELP." 42926 12/19/89 MICHAEL MOSER => ALL: "VECTOR MZ COMPUTER" 42927 12/19/89 CLIFF SHARP => ALL: "8051 ASSEMBLER?" 42928 12/19/89 CLIFF SHARP => ALL: "RODIME STARTUP PROBLEM" - End of summary - Retrieving flagged msgs: C skips, K aborts. Msg 42912 is 04 line(s) on 12/18/89 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to RICHARD GOZDAL re: R/COPYRIGHT HELP. Clearly, a "tools" package distributor/author must have a policy. Are you sure there's not some kind of info with the package? Otherwise, I'd be sure to contact the vendor/author. I've seen such things, requiring things like "portions copyright (C) 1989, Microsoft", etc. Msg 42913 is 30 line(s) on 12/18/89 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to BRENT JONES re: R/EDITORS My favorite editor is PMATE. I think it can be had for something like $119 from Programmer's Connection, but not sure. Unfortunately, it is NOT supported any more - no enhancements in about 2 years or so. But what I like about it is how configurable the keyboard is, and mostly, the excellent MACRO language it has. You can build macros into it, some executable by function keys (only about 6 or so, though), and can build an arbitrary number of macros into it by reserving macro space (I reserve 3000 bytes). I have macros to reformat paragraphs, add columns of numbers, read hex numbers into a register, read decimal numbers into a register, change "name extension" type of filenames into "name.ext" names, etc. The macro language would appeal to an APL programmer, or someone familiar with TECO or other single-char macro languages. For example, lets look at a macro to reformat a paragraph: @wv7@a>1{@av7}$[@7qx@t=13{0l}{-s $13rqr^}l@t=13{l%}@t<"!%-mr $@k] Now, that's very cryptic, but it can be broken down: @wv7 sez to take the current right margin setting (var @w) and store it in Variable 7 @a>1{ is the start of an "if". I LOVE this syntax! You don't need the word "IF", or "then". The syntax is: expression{clause}{else clause} Specifically, @a is the variable for "number of arguments passed", and if >{1 then . @7qx@t=13{0l}{-s $13rqr^} says "go to column (qx) stored in var 7, and if the char under the cursor (@t) is a C/R (13) then go to the front of the line (0l which is 0L), OTHERWISE backwards search (from the right margin) for the preceeding space ($ is an ESC, a string delimiter) and replace it with a 13, show the updated screen (quick redraw: QR), and "loop" back to the preceeding loop. (^ loops back, [.] defines a loop nn[.] defines a repeat nn times, etc. Msg 42914 is 07 line(s) on 12/18/89 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to JERRY OLSEN re: PUB Got a sample pub for you. One page. It is FAT.DOC, a doc file on a public domain program. I centered a headline in a stroke font, did 2 columns, some centering, some tabs, bold, etc. I have hard copy if you want to leave an addr when you (G)o - only myself and a few assistant operators can see it. I'll then send you a disk (since I still don't seem to have UL capability on your board). Msg 42915 is 07 line(s) on 12/18/89 from LARRY MITCHELL to ALL re: COIN COLLECTORS NEEDED! NumisNet(SM), the ONLY bbs in the WORLD devoted EXCLUSIVELY to numismatics (collecting of coins, medals, exonumia and numismatic literature), is now on-line. If you collect coins, medals or exonumia, we cordially invite you to call us at 301-498-8205, 300/1200/2400 baud, 24 hours a day! We are "PC-Pursuit"able in the Washington, DC metro calling area. We look forward to hearing from you! Msg 42916 is 11 line(s) on 12/18/89 from ERIC BOHLMAN to BOB SULLIVAN re: R/NEW TI VOICE CHIP ADPCM=adaptive differential pulse code modulation. It's a form of PCM that encodes the difference between samples rather than the samples themselves. The actual relationship is non-linear; depending on the recent history of the signal, a given difference can represent several step sizes. In terms of efficiency, it's much better than straight PCM, with sound quality almost as good, and much worse than LPC. For telephone-quality speech, it takes about 2.6K bytes/second (straight PCM would be 8K; LPC would be around 1K, so I guess it's not all that much worse). If the TI chips are based on mask ROM, the only way to program them is to have the factory make a mask for them. Msg 42917 is 06 line(s) on 12/18/89 from TOM LUBECK to ALL re: S130 DATA GENERAL I have a Data General S-130 computer for sale. It has 2 20meg drives, a 6026 Meg tape drive, paper tape reader, 2 beehive terminals, TP2 dasher system console, and expanded 256K memory. In 2 full size cabinets. $1000 takes all. Call me at 312-944-0010, weekdays 10am to 6pm. System is stored in Berwyn will need truck/van/trailer to move. Tom Lubeck, Design Type Msg 42918 is 04 line(s) on 12/18/89 from RICHARD GOZDAL to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/COPYRIGHT HELP. One package of TOOLS requires a notice in the docs that the Company's TOOLS are used. Another doesn't require a thing but the "portions copyrighted" seems about appropriate for the Copyright form itself. Msg 42919 is 09 line(s) on 12/18/89 from COLIN SCHROEDER to BRENT JONES re: R/EDITORS depends on what type of editor you're looking for: text (e.g. documents) or program. For shareware document editors, I've heard good things about PC-Write (tho' I think it may not be shareware anymore-whatever, it's still cheap.). I don't know much about shareware/PD program editors, but one of the programmers I work with raves about BRIEF, which is a commercial product. It seems to have quite a following, due to a lot of options for customizability like adjustable auto-indent, flexible windowing, etc. Msg 42920 is 18 line(s) on 12/18/89 from COLIN SCHROEDER to ALL re: VIDEO BIOS PATCHES Hi all, I'm looking for some help with video memory overwrites on a dual monitos setup. I've got a Paradise VGA+ 16 and Hercules mono installed in a system with AMI 386 mbd and BIOS. When I switch MODE to MONO, some programs (i.e. WordPerfect 5.0) still write junk to VGA video memory, and the mono memory is also screwed up! Everything works fine in VGA mode. What I'd like to do is set up some sort of "fence" between the two-perhaps a driver or other resident program which determines the current video mode and intercepts any writes to video memory which try to "jump the fence" and redirects them to the appropriate addresses (if necessary) or dumps them to a null device (if convenient) Any ideas?? I'd like to know if this is at least possible, I know it's a tall order, and I know it may be hardware dependent, but I'd like to at least TRY! (NOTE: One of the guys I work with suggests that it may be a function of hardware video port(s). Any insights??) Thanks in advance! Colin Msg 42921 is 15 line(s) on 12/18/89 from BILL WOLFF to BRENT JONES re: R/EDITORS I use three, at least on MS-DOS computers. Word Star 5.0, VDE 1.20 (I also have VDE 1.40A) and PC Write 3.03 (I use to use version 2.71). I got Word Star from DAK with other software for $99. It even comes with PC-Outline that you heard from here. VDE is great for quick and dirty editing. You can edit two files at once too. About 30K in size. Real handy! Uses WS commands! Now we get to PC Write. I great word processor! Although not mentioned I don't believe, can use WS commands too. Try them, they work! Now the rest of the program is also great. It can also check your spelling as you type. Just great. Nothing like it. If WS didn't work so nice, I would use PC Write for everything. It's been called the best Shareware program ever made. I agree! If not, is gotta be number two! Msg 42922 is 14 line(s) on 12/18/89 from BENJAMIN COHEN to RICHARD GOZDAL re: R/COPYRIGHT HELP. You should take a look at the copyright license that came with the package, or contact the author of the"tools". For example, BASCOM (Microsoft) offers a free license that allows the author of a program compiled with BASCOM to distribute the required run-time module BRUN.COM. You do have to put an additional notice in your software tha "Portions copyright Microsoftx". Any author/distributor of a compiler of a similar ilk (i.e, one that requires use of the author's tools/run-time module, etc) in connection with the compiled program, or which pulls some portion of the tools into the compiled program, NEEDS to have a policy. Some of the idiots require the end-user to have the program, just as an interpreter would (you need BASIC to run a BAS program). By the way - (c) is not enough of a copyright claim. Use "Copyright", or "Copr." if you cant put the "C" in a circle. Msg 42923 is 30 line(s) on 12/18/89 from BENJAMIN COHEN to ALL re: MAGAZINES HAVE GOT TO GO The magazines have got to go, the computer room is just filling up with them: InfoWorld Complete "magazine" issues, about 140 in all, Oct 31 '83 to August 26 '85, plus f*balance of '85, '86 complete, 37 of 52 issues from '87, 46 of 52 from '88, and '89 missing only one issue. Computer Shopper June '88 to Dec '89 Personal Computing 17 issues from '88-89 PC Computing Six issues, 88-89 Lifelines, The Software Magazine 17 issues from November '82 to October '84 Lan Technology Volume 5 #1 through #3 (a) these have to be picked up at my home in Niles, IL. I won't pack (though they are in boxes) or ship. (b) most magazines are complete, but I do remove all card inserts, many stiff cardboard ads, and the like. Some magazines may have a few articles clipped out. Leave messages here or on Antelope Freeway RAS, 312-764-5162, or on ans mach at 312-726-3569 or 708-965-8144. Msg 42924 is 06 line(s) on 12/18/89 from ERIC BOHLMAN to COLIN SCHROEDER re: R/VIDEO BIOS PATCHES I remember seeing a discussion of this problem in a Fidonet echo devoted to WP. Apparently the program sizes up video memory and decides that the VGA is an extension of the mono or vice versa. I can't remember what the workaround was, but I know there was one. You might want to post a message in the WP echo; it's available, among other places, on my BBS (COPH-2) at 312-286-0608 (NW Chicago). Msg 42925 is 01 line(s) on 12/18/89 from ERIC BOHLMAN to BENJAMIN COHEN re: R/COPYRIGHT HELP. And don't forget "All Rights Reserved" for international protection. Msg 42926 is 09 line(s) on 12/19/89 from MICHAEL MOSER to ALL re: VECTOR MZ COMPUTER I'm rather new to this BBS so if i'm out of line asking this, tell me. I have a Vector modelS-100 system(?) with Micropolis hard-sectored drives, a Bitstreamer i/o card, and 2 RAM cards. I need to find (a) some software ( besides the built in rom monitor ), (b) some docs for the boards. I have aon something called MDOS made by micropolis, b{t they couldn't help me, and Vector is no longer in buisness. HELP! thx M. Mose{ ( sorry if it's messy, i got a bad connection ) Msg 42927 is 05 line(s) on 12/19/89 from CLIFF SHARP to ALL re: 8051 ASSEMBLER? Anyone have any tips on 8051 assemblers? I'm going to need one soon and could use some tips on good ones, bad ones, whatever. Also thinking about an 8051 C compiler. Any thoughts there? AdTHANKSvance. Msg 42928 is 08 line(s) on 12/19/89 from CLIFF SHARP to ALL re: RODIME STARTUP PROBLEM I'm using a Rodime 203E; it's a fair disk for its age, but I have to leave the computer turned on at all times, because it's harder than all get-out to get the thing to rotate on startup. Anyone got any ideas? The auto-park is enabled. I don't have a manual and would like to disable it on general principle, as many drives have a sticktion problem related to auto-parking. Anyone know how to do that? AdTHANKSvance. dup. chars. >Function:?