CBBS(R) 4.0.2a 04/10/89 23:41:38 Y/N: want CBBS "1st time user" info?^U ?^U ?^U ?n;ward;christensen;odraw;;fullc;piss Logging name to disk... You are caller 204579; next msg =41669; 481 active msgs. Prev. call 04/07/89 @ 22:03, next msg was 41654 Recording logon for next time. Use FULL? to check assignments ?^U ?xxxxx "Mine" command checking for msgs TO you, ^K to abort. >Function:?dir c:log;dir c:killed;dir summary;type-30 log,ward c;or;*;short LOG. 6 KILLED. 150 SUMMARY. 30 04/10/89,23:41:42,204579,9,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, 41654 04/07/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ALL: "THE FUTURE OF PCS" 41655 04/07/89 PETE CANTELE => ALL: "HAYES 1200B FOR SALE" type-50 log,ward c;or;*;short 04/07/89,22:14:59,204480,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,1 04/07/89,23:15:22,204481,2,PETE CANTELE,, E#41655,25 04/07/89,23:50:14,204482,1,YOHMA GRAY,,1 04/08/89,00:17:38,204483,1,SCOTT FREEMAN,, E#41656,3 04/08/89,00:39:16,204484,1,DENNIS LEONG,,3 04/08/89,01:57:52,204485,2,PAUL STREETER,,80 04/08/89,03:38:49,204486,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,, E#41657,6 04/08/89,07:07:45,204487,3,BILL WOLFF,,2 04/08/89,07:55:34,204488,2,PAUL STREETER,, E#41658,32 04/08/89,09:17:22,204489,9,CARY MEDNICK,Forest Park/ Il,2 04/08/89,10:38:15,204490,1,JIM FLANAGAN,,3 04/08/89,10:41:23,204491,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, 04/08/89,11:38:25,204492,1,GREG VERIVE,BEDFORD PARK,13 04/08/89,12:04:15,204493,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,5 04/08/89,13:15:23,204494,2,RON BINKOWSKI,Dolton/ IL,8 04/08/89,13:48:23,204495,3,JIM COLLING,,3 04/08/89,14:05:15,204496,1,DAN SEIBOLD,,0 04/08/89,14:22:58,204497,1,JULIAN SOLOMENSKY,,2 04/08/89,14:25:01,204498,1,JULIAN SOLOMENSKY,, >Help: 1, >Help: , 04/08/89,14:41:11,204499,2,CALVIN CURTINDOLPH,,4 04/08/89,16:15:52,204500,2,JERRY HEYDEMANN,Evanston/ IL,4 04/08/89,16:32:00,204501,3,BILL WOLFF,, E#41659, E#41660,7 04/08/89,18:37:26,204502,2,TONY ANTONUCCI,,3 04/08/89,19:10:21,204503,2,TONY ANTONUCCI,,1 04/08/89,19:28:48,204504,2,DICK FAIRBANKS,milwaukee/ wi,8 04/08/89,19:45:12,204505,3,MURRAY ARNOW,,21 04/08/89,19:53:03,204506,3,BILL WOLFF,,1 04/08/89,19:57:16,204507,1,ED FANTA,,4 04/08/89,20:30:10,204508,1,SCOTT FREEMAN,,1 04/08/89,20:48:57,204509,1,RICHARD GOZDAL,,6 04/08/89,21:39:31,204510,9,THOM QUICK,,2 04/08/89,21:50:31,204511,2,TOM LAMB,,8 04/08/89,22:38:40,204512,2,MILT VASICH,naperville/ ill.,3 04/08/89,23:33:35,204513,1,RYAN HERBSTRITT,RIVER FOREST/ IL,2 04/09/89,00:33:50,204514,2,MIKE ASHE,, 04/09/89,00:38:51,204515,2,MIKE ASHE,,3 04/09/89,00:50:42,204516,2,JIM POLOUS,,4 04/09/89,01:22:49,204517,1,DENNIS DUFFNER,, E#41661,4 04/09/89,02:58:47,204518,2,CLIFF SHARP,,13 04/09/89,04:58:04,204519,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,, E#41662, E#41663,16 04/09/89,06:37:45,204520,1,LARRY HITZ,,6 04/09/89,07:07:25,204521,2,LARRY HITZ,,4 ]LARRY HITZ, 04/09/89,07:49:33,204522,2,ALEX ZELL,, 04/09/89,07:58:43,204523,3,MURRAY ARNOW,,1 04/09/89,08:45:49,204524,1,DENNIS TOKOPH,Des Plaines/ IL,10 04/09/89,08:54:59,204525,2,PAUL STREETER,,3 04/09/89,09:13:56,204526,2,TOM KOWALCZYK,,2 04/09/89,09:17:18,204527,1,BILL WOLFF,,3 04/09/89,11:43:58,204528,2,IRA SACHS,,7 04/09/89,12:08:56,204529,2,TONY ANTONUCCI,,2 04/09/89,12:12:35,204530,2,TONY ANTONUCCI,,1 04/09/89,12:37:26,204531,2,CLIFF WALLACH,deerfield/ill,10 04/09/89,12:49:48,204532,1,DON GANDHI,Patel,5 ]THIS PROGRAMM SUCKS, IT HAS NO GAMES FOR MY NINE CHILDREN. IF YOU EXPECT ANY MORE BUSSNESS FROM MY COLLIGUES AND I GET GAMES NOW! DON GANDHI, 04/09/89,13:17:49,204533,1,TIM CROSS,,7 04/09/89,13:46:58,204534,1,MICHAEL BELANGER,Oak Park/ IL,18 04/09/89,14:23:10,204535,2,DAVID GIBBS,,2 04/09/89,15:11:43,204536,1,TOM LAMB,, 04/09/89,16:02:17,204537,2,PHIL JERN,,12 04/09/89,16:26:12,204538,1,TIM CROSS,,7 04/09/89,16:40:19,204539,1,JEFF GITCHEL,Rockford IL,13 04/09/89,18:05:19,204540,2,MIKE COOK,,2 04/09/89,19:55:27,204541,1,SCOTT FREEMAN,,1 04/09/89,20:19:21,204542,1,MIKE HILL,LIBERTYVILLE/IL,5 04/09/89,20:23:11,204543,2,BILL TANEY,,2 04/09/89,20:27:55,204544,1,MIKE HILL,,4 04/09/89,21:07:42,204545,1,JOHN PETENES,,9 04/09/89,21:52:42,204546,2,JIM POLOUS,,1 04/09/89,22:15:03,204547,3,ALAN LAYA,bridgeview, >Help: MESSAGES, E#41664, >Help: NO,72 04/09/89,23:44:04,204548,2,BILL MATTSON,,9 04/10/89,03:19:59,204549,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,, E#41665,4 04/10/89,05:30:33,204550,2,PETE JONES,,1 04/10/89,06:30:32,204551,1,JIM FLANAGAN,,2 04/10/89,07:03:44,204552,2,DENNIS STAHL,,5 04/10/89,08:34:05,204553,2,JOE HANNON,,2 04/10/89,09:26:17,204554,9,MIKE ANDREWS,,4 04/10/89,09:37:37,204555,9,MIKE ANDREWS,, E#41666,6 04/10/89,10:08:31,204556,2,HEINZ LANGE,, E#41667,6 04/10/89,11:26:16,204557,1,KEN STOX,,7 ]Geez, if this guy has got 9 mutants, where does he get time to log in here ?? And he can spell too !! Cheers! KEN STOX, 04/10/89,11:46:01,204558,3,PETER BIERMAN,, 04/10/89,11:51:24,204559,3,PETER BIERMAN,, 04/10/89,12:20:27,204560,1,GARY MCCOY,,1 04/10/89,12:33:47,204561,1,GRANT KILLEY,,3 04/10/89,14:20:29,204562,2,JIM MILLS,,8 04/10/89,15:20:42,204563,2,DENNIS STAHL,,1 04/10/89,15:59:40,204564,3,PHIL SCHUMAN,,1 04/10/89,16:27:33,204565,1,MARTY LINGG,,0 04/10/89,16:57:41,204566,2,GARY JOHNSON,NEW BEDFORD MA,7 04/10/89,17:24:38,204567,2,JAMES SCHMIDT,,1 04/10/89,17:29:37,204568,2,HANK HOLEVINSKY,SOUTH HOLLAND/ IL,5 04/10/89,17:33:20,204569,2,HANK HOLEVINSKY,,13 04/10/89,18:10:35,204570,3,ALAN LAYA,,3 04/10/89,19:05:00,204571,2,JOHN HAYES,,8 04/10/89,19:13:11,204572,3,BILL WOLFF,, E#41668,7 04/10/89,19:46:40,204573,2,JIM POLOUS,,1 04/10/89,21:30:39,204574,2,DAVID GIBBS,,0 04/10/89,21:53:25,204575,1,HESCHEL WEINER,Chicago,4 04/10/89,22:00:00,204576,3,MURRAY ARNOW,,10 04/10/89,22:10:05,204577,1,JIM GUSTAS,OAKLAWN/IL,40 04/10/89,23:26:56,204578,2,BILL TANEY,,1 04/10/89,23:41:42,204579,9,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, 41654 04/07/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ALL: "THE FUTURE OF PCS" 41655 04/07/89 PETE CANTELE => ALL: "HAYES 1200B FOR SALE" 41656 04/08/89 SCOTT FREEMAN => ALL: "FOR SALE!" 41657 04/08/89 ERIC BOHLMAN => BILL WOLFF: "R/TURBO PASCAL CONVERSION?" 41658 04/08/89 PAUL STREETER => ALL: "R/ PREDICTIONS" 41659 04/08/89 BILL WOLFF => ERIC BOHLMAN: "R/TURBO PASCAL. R/41657" 41660 04/08/89 BILL WOLFF => ALL: "UDSD PASCAL???" 41661 04/09/89 DENNIS DUFFNER => WRD: "SMITHSONIAN" 41662 04/09/89 ERIC BOHLMAN => BILL WOLFF: "R/UDSD PASCAL???" 41663 04/09/89 ERIC BOHLMAN => PAUL STREETER: "R/ PREDICTIONS" 41664 04/09/89 ALAN LAYA => ALL: "T/PASCAL V4.0 EXEC FUNCTION" 41665 04/10/89 ERIC BOHLMAN => ALAN LAYA: "R/T/PASCAL V4.0 EXEC FUNCTION" 41666 04/10/89 MIKE ANDREWS => BILL WOLFF: "R/TURBO PASCAL CONVERSION?" 41667 04/10/89 HEINZ LANGE => ALL: "GKS GRAPHICS CODE?" 41668 04/10/89 BILL WOLFF => MIKE ANDREWS: "THANKS!" - End of summary - Retrieving flagged msgs: C skips, K aborts. Msg 41654 is 23 line() on 04/07/89 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to ALL re: THE FUTURE OF PCS What do you think the future of PCs is? I see laptops going "every which way" - there's a market for "smaller, lighter, more portable", and also a marketplace for "my one big powerful machine that I take with me". Mark Eppley, Prez of Travelling Software, says that this will be the year for the Pocket PC. I can't wait! I would love to be able to do my reports, and write (text, not publish) a newsletter while commuting on the train. Who knows what will become the standard MEDIA - I hear Zenith is going fot the 2" diskette! (or was it 2.5"?). Others are going for software cartridges. - silicon, etc. My REAL requirement is: (1) to have the ctrl key left of A; and (2) to (related to 1) be able to run my favorite editor on it. I could get by with 256K, actually, and a 2.5" diskette, and a "typeable" keyboard, though I would be in the minority with such meager requirements. - Curious for your ideas and opinions. What machine do each of YOU see in YOUR future? I think I'm more interested in true portability, and not as interested (probably because of the investment) in "high end" stuff - my 10mhz 0-wait state machine is going to hold me for a while, though I could use more disk, or better organization of my disk. Msg 41655 is 08 line(s) on 04/07/89 from PETE CANTELE to ALL re: HAYES 1200B FOR SALE FOR SALE - HAYES 1200b internal modem. Auto dial/auto answer; can be used as COM1 or COM2 device. Complete with documentation. It works perfectly. I'm going to a 2400 bps modem at COM3. $95 or BEST OFFER! Please call 418-1615. If I don't answer please leave a msg. with my answering machine. Msg 41656 is 05 line(s) on 04/08/89 from SCOTT FREEMAN to ALL re: FOR SALE! Hayes Smartmodem 2400 for sale. Never used guaranteed. Originally $499.00 asking $350.00 or trade for PC/XT compatible VGA board. Leave message if interested. Msg 41657 is 09 line(s) on 04/08/89 from ERIC BOHLMAN to BILL WOLFF re: R/TURBO PASCAL CONVERSION? The communications code, at the very least, will need to be completely reworked because the TP program is almost certainly making direct I/O accesses to the serial ports (the facilities that DOS provides for this are almost useless). Remember that there's no standard for serial I/O on CP/M machines; for example, most CP/M terminal programs use custom overlays for each machine they can support. Another problem is that there are a fair number of differences between Turbo Pascal version 4 and version 3; only version 3 is available for CP/M. Msg 41658 is 30 line(s) on 04/08/89 from PAUL STREETER to ALL re: R/ PREDICTIONS 1. Microsoft will not introduce Quick COBOL. 2. Borland will not introduce TURBO COBOL. 3. Herb Grosch will not be elected CEO of IBM. 4. Onyl Roger Hale and Ward will know who Herb Grosch is, and they won't really care. 5. Unless the METRA line you use is a lot smoother than the Burlington, which I used to ride, you won't be able to do much work on the train, even with a pocket computer. (Someone prove me wromg by saying how many people already work with laptops on the train. I could never concentrate enough to do anything useful during the ride.) 6. CPM machines and CPM shops won't die and a lot of obsolete machines will be made and purchased by people who realize they are the most cost effective for most tasks. 7. A useful pocket cumputer would haqve to have some kind of keyboard technology that I can't imagine in order to be a good idea for most of us, but massive memory will be easy. 8. Flat screens for color VGA/EGA should be possible now, if they are not on the market already. 9. My best prediction is that laptops with a 12 Mhz 286 r 386, 40 Mb or larger disk capacity, LPT1, LPT2, COM1, and COM2 ports built in and at least 2 short slots and one full length slot will become affordable as an alternative to a desk top computer. 10. Someone will introduce an envelope feeder of production capacity for "normal" dot matrix printer. The repeatability of the registration will be 1/8 " or better. My introduction to computers was via a Honeywell 400 (made by Honeywell, not GE). It was upgraded to its maximum memory of 32 K just after I started. It had 3 phase power to a motor generator for its power supply, 3 tons of air conditiioning with 3 tons backup, a CE on site 8 hours a day, and took 1 hour to compile 1000 lines of COBOL vs 1 min on PC. Msg 41659 is 03 line(s) on 04/08/89 from BILL WOLFF to ERIC BOHLMAN re: R/TURBO PASCAL. R/41657 Hmmm. I guess it is time for an IBM compatable laptop, huh? I was going to also improve the software from CP/M Turbo Pascal and it sounds like I would be asking for more trouble than it is worth. Msg 41660 is 06 line(s) on 04/08/89 from BILL WOLFF to ALL re: UDSD PASCAL??? I have a question on UDSD Pascal! I got it free with my Osborne Executive. They also call it the "P" system. I never done much with it, but they said that the system uses a universal format for all other "P" systems. So what is this really? The first Pascal language or what? I've never done much with it, except boot it up and say, "Oh that's nice!" and then put it away. Msg 41661 is 01 line(s) on 04/09/89 from DENNIS DUFFNER to WARD re: SMITHSONIAN It's be only right, considering! Msg 41662 is 10 line(s) on 04/09/89 from ERIC BOHLMAN to BILL WOLFF re: R/UDSD PASCAL??? It's "UCSD" (the software was originally developed at the University of California, San Diego). The P-system was an alternate operating system, originally introduced on Apples if I remember right, that supported Pascal. The idea was for the compiler to generate a "universal" intermediate code rather than native code. Each version of the P-system would have its own interpreter for this code, known as P-code. Of course, this had some draw- backs: execution was rather slow, and since file system facilities aren't the same from machine to machine, they had to be "shoehorned" into a common format, meaning that UCSD Pascal programs could use only P-system files, rat rather than general files native to the operating system. Msg 41663 is 20 line(s) on 04/09/89 from ERIC BOHLMAN to PAUL STREETER re: R/ PREDICTIONS I have trouble seeing how a laptop could support full-size (full HEIGHT) slots and still be laptop size. The other features will eventually be implemented (though with current chip technology, power consumption goes up with clock speed, so that will probably be the last thing done). Pocket computer keyboards: If the original "Star Trek" were being produced now, the producers would have to come up with some rational-sounding explanation for how data gets entered into tricorders (probably mind-reading). When the show was originally done, pocket computers were far enough into the future that viewers wouldn't thing of questioning it. In the late seventies, there were attempts to make "eggs" and other alternate-input devices that would allow data entry by pressing combinations of six or so switches, but they never caught on. Maybe a tiny trackball to pick out letters (seriously, a friend who has very limited use of his hands uses that on a Macintosh)? Voice entry might be possible, though it would be slow and I can imagine a bunch of people on a train getting their dictation crossed up (to say nothing with confidentiality problems; imagine two attorneys on opposite sides of a case getting the last two adjacent seats on the train, or the stockbroker whose computer "accidentally" listens in on some juicy inside information). Msg 41664 is 08 line(s) on 04/09/89 from ALAN LAYA to ALL re: T/PASCAL V4.0 EXEC FUNCTION Need a little help with the Turbo Pascal command 'exec' Here's the problem: whenever the exec command is used to execute a compiler/interpreter (GW-BASIC or Turbo Pascal itself), the command.com file is loaded into the program (???). Also, whenever PC-Write is executed using the same command, again the command.com file is loaded, forcing me to quit that file and load the desired file manually. Any ideas/elanations of this phenom. from all you TP Experts out there would be appreciated. Msg 41665 is 06 line(s) on 04/10/89 from ERIC BOHLMAN to ALAN LAYA re: R/T/PASCAL V4.0 EXEC FUNCTION I haven't used TP4, but I've done some execing in C, which should be similar. Make sure you have ALL the command-line arguments right; I would assume that the exec function loads command.com and passes the program name to it as an argument, i.e. COMMAND GWBASIC FLOOBLE in order to run FLOOBLE.BAS. If the arguments are set up wrong, COMMAND may not be finding the right program to execute and may be dropping to prompt mode. Msg 41666 is 04 line(s) on 04/10/89 from MIKE ANDREWS to BILL WOLFF re: R/TURBO PASCAL CONVERSION? Turbo-PASCAL 4.0 is still available for CP/M. I had a copy, but sold it. Call Borland to order it. You'll still have to rewrite the I/O routines to talk to a CP/M machine. There are some built-in I/O functions in TP 4.0, but they're a lot different than what you'd see on a DOS machine. Msg 41667 is 04 line(s) on 04/10/89 from HEINZ LANGE to ALL re: GKS GRAPHICS CODE? As a new user of GKS Graphics calls I am looking for someone willing to share some code with me. I am interested in doing pan and zoom techniques also would be greatly interested in segment movement info. I will trade some digitized graphics for polyline calls. Msg 41668 is 02 line(s) on 04/10/89 from BILL WOLFF to MIKE ANDREWS re: THANKS! Thanks for the reply about Turbo Pascal. It gives me something to think about. It would be a good idea to delete this message after you read it. dup. chars. >Function:?