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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823677 
28 Feb 2004 05:28:01
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Auschwitz workers  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823671 
28 Feb 2004 05:23:14
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One more time....  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823669 
28 Feb 2004 05:20:09
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I'll Bite Mac Fries  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823667 
28 Feb 2004 05:16:45
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work will set you free #1  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823664 
28 Feb 2004 05:11:38
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Best book on history of Bayer:  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823663 
28 Feb 2004 05:07:46
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Protesting Bayer/Farben  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823661 
28 Feb 2004 05:00:40
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IG Flies the Nazi flag  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823657 
28 Feb 2004 04:57:15
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IG War  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823653 
28 Feb 2004 04:54:33
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IG Generals 2  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823647 
28 Feb 2004 04:50:23
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IGBIG   

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823643 
28 Feb 2004 04:45:10
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IG HQ  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823642 
28 Feb 2004 04:42:48
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IG/Gobbels  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823636 
28 Feb 2004 04:37:05
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IG/Himmler part 3  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823629 
28 Feb 2004 04:28:11
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IG Himmler Auschwitz  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823627 
28 Feb 2004 04:26:49
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Himler visit  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823624 
28 Feb 2004 04:23:25
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IG, Adolf and rubber  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823622 
28 Feb 2004 04:19:49
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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823620 
28 Feb 2004 04:15:20
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IG painting  

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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823618 
28 Feb 2004 04:12:14
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IG Nazi bankers  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823617 
28 Feb 2004 04:09:33
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Thanks for the election!  

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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823615 
28 Feb 2004 04:05:34
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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823613 
28 Feb 2004 04:01:46
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More IG-Nazi connections...  

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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823611 
28 Feb 2004 03:59:32
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Once more, this time for real...  

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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823610 
28 Feb 2004 03:57:24
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IG trade magazine  

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Current News and Events
Re: Gov't Bill C-10 3rd Reading, VOTE POSSIBLE TOD
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823536 
28 Feb 2004 01:15:21
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"By you..."

And by the liberal members in the LATEST debate on the subject....

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2519.html


AND by its main and earliest proponent, Keith Martin - who crossed the floor and is now a liberal.


As for Hedy Fry, I believe with enough cocaine for dollars for votes going on, the Liberals probably think they could afford to run Richard Nixon and get away with it.

  


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bush couldn't debate a Cuban ninth-grader
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823533 
28 Feb 2004 01:08:50
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Have you been to Cuba? I have. I prefer Marti to either Batista or Castro.

As for Communism, read Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia" and then realize that the red flag alone, without the black to keep it honest, turns into one big nasty corperation.  


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Current News and Events
Re: Gov't Bill C-10 3rd Reading, VOTE POSSIBLE TOD
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 823287 
27 Feb 2004 19:46:15
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I agree with everything gruntman says - apart from the "not as bad as he says". Mandatory treatment keeps getting mentioned again and again - this whole thing is going down the road of "Singapore" decrim. I've been writing and warning people about it for years, and so has Mike Cust and Dana Larsen. 

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1586.html

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2216.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-564.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1514.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2302.html 

If it even increases by 1% the chance of a successful "mandatory treatment"-style decrim from coming into being, that's a good enough reason to say it's not worth the "take a chance at lying to a US customs official" benefit it purports to hold and a "gum up the system" plan-b that requires a more cooperative interpritation of the fine system than we have seen .... assuming the situation doesn't get worse.

There's always the Darth Vader quote hanging over our heads, reminding us not to accept "deals" with the evil empire:


Darth Vader: Calrissian! Take the princess and the Wookie to my ship.

 Lando Calrissian: You said they'd be left at the city under my supervision.

 Darth Vader: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.

 
http://www.garnersclassics.com/qstar5.htm
  

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Big Chem hist. 11: IG Auschwitz- Work sets U free
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 822943 
27 Feb 2004 11:44:05
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For the complete story, check out www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer

Special thanks goes out to Dr. Rath and his crew for putting up the exellent picture archive (where most of the uncredited pictures in this chapter come from). Please check out his website:

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus01.htm





http://www.justiceandawareness.org/data/images/igauschwitz.jpg


http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/PHARMACEUTICAL_BUSINESS/history_of_the_pharmaceutical_industry.htm


Bayer and Exxon History part 11:

IG Auschwitz - the ideal business climate

Once Farben's Nazi's bought enough votes to entrench themselves in power, they made well on their election promise to their employers. Beginning with joint Nazi-IG Farben synthetic oil and rubber ventures in 1933 that made Hitler's war machine self-sufficient, 




the co-operation continued with the plunder of Europe's chemical industries. As the Nazi's invaded each country, I.G. would take control of the chemical companies. (51)



If these "hostile takeovers" were good for business, slavery was even better. Instead of "work rather than phrases," many of the camps had "work will set you free" on their gates. It was the greatest false-advertising campaign in human history - unless you define "free" as "dead from exhaustion." As the war dragged on, I.G. created it's own private camp called Monowitz - also known as Auschwitz III.

Monowitz was located right outside the largest synthetic oil and rubber factory in the world, the largest industrial complex outside the borders of the German Reich, and I.G.'s largest factory: I.G. Auschwitz. I.G. Farben owned 100% of I.G. Auschwitz. 


http://homepages.ius.edu/JCAMPB04/



http://www.bbm-ww.de/book/buna4.html

The sight had been chosen by I.G. for the abundant water and coal in the area, not to mention all the free slave labor from Auschwitz I and II. (52 ) I.G. created Monowitz because too many of their employees would die while marching to work every day.



(51) "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben" pp. 75-95, 121-140

(52) ibid, pp. 146-147
  


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 822937 
27 Feb 2004 11:33:06
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IG Auschwitz map  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 822935 
27 Feb 2004 11:31:09
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IG Generals  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 822933 
27 Feb 2004 11:29:24
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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 822931 
27 Feb 2004 11:23:01
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IG Auschwitz 5  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 822929 
27 Feb 2004 11:19:59
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IG Auschwitz 4  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 822921 
27 Feb 2004 11:05:02
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IG Auschwitz 3  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 822919 
27 Feb 2004 11:03:00
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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 822914 
27 Feb 2004 10:57:28
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Round eleven of "sorry Abby, it isn't the jews behind DrugWar/WW1/WW2/WW3"

IG Auschwitz, once more....

  

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Re: Mel Gibson's father says Holocaust exaggerated
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 822885 
27 Feb 2004 10:28:19
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Nothing like a photo to shut the BullShitters right up.

Nice one Rockster!

Keep 'em coming, Abby - you keep lying and we'll keep pointing out photos and quotes that expose you for the LAZY historian you really are.

  


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Current News and Events
Re: LTE: Letter of the Day
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 822668 
27 Feb 2004 04:56:31
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Nice letter. The "something else" they hint at must be the "treatment" mentioned continuously by multiple Liberal party members.  


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Mel Gibson's father says Holocaust exaggerated
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 822662 
27 Feb 2004 04:48:07
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Of course the Nazi's found out that a pit full of bodies contains enough fat to burn a whole pile of people, once you get it started. Especially people who came right off the train and didn't have a chance to fully starve first. 

Three million jews are NOT hiding out in Austrialia.

If you belong to the legion, you must know that it wasn't "the jews" who introduced gas warfare, it was Carl Duisberg of Bayer. Bayer killed Canadians from Vancouver in the world's first gas attack. Can't blame that on the jews.

http://www.canadagoose.net/albstj_v.htm

I'm so glad that you're the most imaginative anti-jew on the forum. It makes it easier to argue with a racist with no imagination. Absolutely, the "hate" laws should be removed - it's much easier to just keep demanding proof from you guys, letting your lack of proof convince others of the flimsyness of your very old, tired scapegoating.  


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Abby go back to your "Hitler was Right" websites..
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 822655 
27 Feb 2004 04:35:37
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 You sound like Charlie Manson and his race-war theories.

Your latest link doesn't work either.


For the record folks, if it was on Indymedia at all it was probably in the context of someone pointing out how the jews are still seen as a problem en mass instead of dealt with as individuals like the rest of humanity does with each other (mostly). I posted pictures up of Jews in israel protesting what their government is doing, but it's easier to quote some KKK freek who says "jews pretend to fight but in fact are always in accord". Paranoid Hitler BS.

Here are the websites your BS is normally found on:

http://www.gentileworld.com/id288.htm


http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/145962?it=119&achk=1

It's the Jews, Stupid!!!
Anonymous
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Feb 8, 2004


It Wasn't Arabs >>>>It was the Zionist Jews!
 R. Zuercher 
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Feb 8, 2004


Israel Is Losing (TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT)
Anonymous
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Feb 8, 2004


Interview With Sarkis Soghanalian
Anonymous
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Feb 8, 2004


U.S. Image Abroad Will Take Years to Repair, Official Testifies--Thanks jooz!
Anonymous
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Feb 8, 2004


I'D CALL YOU GUYS MEN, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU ARE MEN....
 RACHEL 
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Feb 8, 2004


A Holocaust in the Making
Anonymous
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Feb 8, 2004


Hitler Was Right!
Anonymous
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Feb 8, 2004


To visitors seeking pro-zionist views:
Anonymous
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Feb 8, 2004


Kikes Trying to Keep the Lid on Germany


 
A poster for the July 1932 Reichstag election. The caption says: "The workers have awakened!" Various other parties are trying to persuade the worker to side with them, without success. The small chap in the center with the red hat represents the Marxists (note the Jew whispering in his ear). His piece of paper says: "Nazi barons! Emergency decrees. Lies and slanders. The big-wigs are living high on the hog, the people are wretched." 
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/liste2a.jpg 


You probably even believe the poster is essentially correct. I guess Adolph was right when he said that Abby would more sooner fall for a big lie than a small one. Fallen for that Bayer propaganda, eh Abby? If the jews are causing all the problems, I guess no one will have to worry about the actual warprofiteers - most of which who are not jewish.  


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Abby posted a false link ...indymedia would never
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 822628 
27 Feb 2004 04:05:23
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 Ummm.... I can't find the article with the link you provided. Cute trick but you'll have to do better than that.

Provide the ACTUAL link. Indymedia would never put that crap up on their site.

  


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Current News and Events
Re: Gov't Bill C-10 3rd Reading, VOTE POSSIBLE TOD
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 822618 
27 Feb 2004 03:56:35
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Marc told me yesterday that "people who can't afford a 150 dollar fine shouldn't be buying pot in the first place." I don't believe that.

Gumming up the works only counts if 1) everyone hears about it, 2) people feel confident enough to tell the court to "prove it's pot", 3) the courts and the politicians can't find a way to speed up the process (a quicker, cheaper test for pot) 4) activists will be left alone to help people and not get harrassed  so much they end up spending all of their time trying to save themselves.

Contrary to what Marc is saying, many, many people use cannabis as a medicine and NEED it to survive but at the same time cannot afford the 150 dollars - the compassion club itself has hundreds of members who are very poor and cannot afford the fine. These people will probably go to jail - if they are not in danger of this, then why did the Liberals refuse to promise people wouldn't go to jail for unpaid fines?

Say there's 3-5 million users in Canada. A good 400,000 of those will not be able to afford the fine. And they could always increase the fine if their "amendments" don't achieve the desired effect (which, of course, they won't). Once the tickets start flying, we won't be able to catch up with the appearance notices and trials - there could be thousands in the first week of ticketing alone. 

If it was possible to "gum up" the courts with decrim, it would have been done by now somewhere else. Why haven't the Aussies tried it yet?

Concensus doesn't mean "everyone must get onside" - that's the opposite. That's fascism. Concensus means "adress everyone's concerns until everyone is onside." Nobody has addressed the "Austrialian outcome" point with anything stronger than "we'll gum the courts up - no prob." I don't think it will be that easy - I figure they must be taking all this into account. I remain unconvinced and   still concerned.   


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Re: Gov't Bill C-10 3rd Reading, VOTE POSSIBLE TOD
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 822137 
26 Feb 2004 20:43:48
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"David, the extent to which you are distorting facts does not help you, here is a quote from the House debates yesterday where the secretary to the Minister of Justice reiterates that 1 - 3 plants are $500 fine..."

I believe you, but 

1) please provide the link to the source for this information, and

2) please explain the statements made by the liberal member at about 20 or so minutes into this:

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2519.html

(First show).

She says the bill in front of her says "5000 fine and/or 6 months in jail" - is she lying? 

Neither document has a date on it - what's the latest version of the bill? Perhaps you are right, and perhaps I'm right on the penalties for 1-3 plants.

I'm saddened that you haven't taken the time to read my advertizing idea. I guess I'll go ahead and print it with the money and support I've managed to find thus far.

  


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Current News and Events
Re: Gov't Bill C-10 3rd Reading, VOTE POSSIBLE TOD
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821871 
26 Feb 2004 16:16:37
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Watch this show. About 20 minutes or so in ... 

....you hear "consistancy in punishment across the country" (ie them damn city dwellers are gonna get busted just like us poor country folk).

you hear "alternative sentancing such as drug courts and treatment" - this is part of their "treatment funds" strategy.

Also, the current version of the bill will not decriminalize growing, but rather 1-3 plants is  5000 dollar fine and/or 6 months in jail.

Like I said before - this bill is a fucking nightmare.

  


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Current News and Events
Re: Gov't Bill C-10 3rd Reading, VOTE POSSIBLE TOD
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821825 
26 Feb 2004 15:37:44
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"In fact, all Vancouver area people who do get this new charge should contact me and I will act as your agent in court at no charge, and we'll all have lots of fun."

I will represent people for free as well, should decrim pass.

I believe we will never win drug peace on a technicality - as soon as they find out there is a hole in their system they'll legislate it closed. They also might target those who help with the resistence for "special treatment" - raids and make-believe stories that they used to shut Hemp BC down in 1999. There's nothing stopping them from doing that again. 

They could also write a law to prevent cannabis users from "harrassing the court" by demanding analysis of every joint. 

I just don't believe in my heart they will allow drugpeace on a technicality. I still believe in my heart we should fight any move to "improve" the way they mistreat us......if we ever want to stop being mistreated and discriminated against, our message should be a constant "no punishment is acceptable".

  


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: THE WALL    PALESTINE TODAY
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821819 
26 Feb 2004 15:30:02
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"zionist banker control all the oil...they give there poppet wasps a piece of the voting stock action ...then they give the arab despots there 5% ....then there are the stock holders people from around the world who buy non voting stocks....and get ripped off most of the time ..."


You haven't yet provided ONE link that wasn't opinion on the subject. No facts, just opinions. Not very well-thought out opinions.

Haven't come up with anything to disprove Griffin's documentation on the Federal Reserve: 6/7ths Non-Jew.

"Waste of Space"-cadabra earns his title once more.


  


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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821790 
26 Feb 2004 15:18:18
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Merck logo  

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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821779 
26 Feb 2004 15:12:52
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George Merck on the cover of Time  

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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821762 
26 Feb 2004 14:57:06
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American Biowar - German know-how  

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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821755 
26 Feb 2004 14:53:00
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Detrick Anthax lab  

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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821749 
26 Feb 2004 14:51:06
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Another 8Ball shot  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821745 
26 Feb 2004 14:48:01
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Detrick bioweapons lab.
  

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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821737 
26 Feb 2004 14:41:23
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The gate at Fort Detrick  

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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821730 
26 Feb 2004 14:33:30
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The Eight Ball - Fort Detrick  

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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821726 
26 Feb 2004 14:29:12
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Nazi BioWeapons in the USA  

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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821720 
26 Feb 2004 14:26:18
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The hallway they were done in

  

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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821712 
26 Feb 2004 14:21:14
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Medical experiments 3  

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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821711 
26 Feb 2004 14:18:10
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Medical experiments 2  

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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821709 
26 Feb 2004 14:16:24
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Medical experiments 1  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821703 
26 Feb 2004 14:06:48
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Nazi hemp primer  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821701 
26 Feb 2004 14:03:56
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More Nazi drug prop  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821698 
26 Feb 2004 14:02:28
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Nazi drug propaganda  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821694 
26 Feb 2004 13:54:35
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Anti-tobacco Nazis  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821691 
26 Feb 2004 13:48:53
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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821688 
26 Feb 2004 13:38:18
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Nazi doctor chart

  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821677 
26 Feb 2004 13:27:12
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Nazi Drugwar victims  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821675 
26 Feb 2004 13:25:06
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Dr. Leonardo Conti, again  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821672 
26 Feb 2004 13:22:44
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Dr. Conti - Nazi drugwar czar

  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821666 
26 Feb 2004 13:19:19
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Ah yes, the Birchers. The "token" right-wing non-racists. Sigh.

Now that communism is dead, don't you think they're a little outdated?

Here's a link and a quote from someone who actually sources their information .... unlike your sources, who just have opinions of their own, and very few facts or quotes from others.


"And while the John Birch Society changed most of the leading players in their conspiracy theory to what they call the "insiders" rather than Jews, many others still see the Jew as the monster controlling world events. For these anti-Semites the Jew is often referred to as the "International Banker.""
 
http://www.equip.org/free/DI100.htm  

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Current News and Events
Re: Gov't Bill C-10 3rd Reading, VOTE POSSIBLE TOD
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821619 
26 Feb 2004 12:27:41
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That's wishful thinking. I figure they thought of that too. The other interpritation (and, given the Supremes "harm principle" decision, a more likely interpritation) is that until BC signs on to the contraventions act, "Descrim" doesn't apply here.

  


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Current News and Events
Re: Gov't Bill C-10 3rd Reading, VOTE POSSIBLE TOD
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 821568 
26 Feb 2004 11:42:23
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Let me save you the trouble of looking it up.

I'm against it for 3 reasons. 1) The principle/message it sends. 2) What the bill will do. 3) What the bill leads to.

1) The principle/message:

The bill is actually not "decrim" but punishment switching. Frank Discussion has posted quotes from the justice minister saying "decrim is the wrong term and we regret using it". Basically the message it sends is "we should harm the harmless LESS". The message true activists should be sending constantly is "we should NEVER harm the harmless AT ALL". Any other message confuses the issue.


2) What the bill WILL do: 

"Widen the net" - more people will be punished, and there is a likelyhood of more people going to jail under this system than before. The liberals refused to "guarantee" no jail time for unpaid fines. Unpaid fines is why Austrialian Decrim is worse than no decrim at all - more people are going to jail there under their decrim system, and their fines are much lower than our fines.


3) What this bill will lead to:

Hedy Fry has promised "mandatory treatment" for repeat offenders. Mandatory minimum penalties for growers of OVER 50 PLANTS has also been mentioned often in the same breath as decrim. This is the "Singapore Style" or "US style" decrim - no criminal record for users per se, but a record for "behavioral problems" that leads to far worse than a jail sentence: group therapy, mandatory urine tests, and "community service" (forced labour) to pay back your debt to society - a debt we should unanimously be challenging, in my opinion.

 In short, this bill is a few steps down the road of cultural genocide - it may allow for mass arrests to take place (despite Kirk and Marc saying people will revolt en mass and demand a trial, I don't see it happening with any but the most articulate) and the only supposed benefit is that - if you dare lie to a customs official and they actually don't know you've been busted, you might get away with visiting the states. That's a mighty big if, and it requires you risk arrest for lying to customs.

 The "widened net" is definately not worth the "risk lying to customs", in the "big picture". Plus, it might kill the energy for reform like "decrim" did in the USA in the 1970's.

Watch this show I did with Kirk about decrim "Then and Now":

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2302.html

Make sure you catch what Hedy Fry says at the end of the show!

  


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The Marijuana Party
Where is NDP pot platform? Why won't they take $?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820607 
23 Feb 2004 15:11:00
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In case anyone out there knows .... when will cannabis hit their platform?

And why haven't the NDP taken Marc's donation? 

Are they just pretending to like us?  


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Current News and Events
Re: Seeking consensus on "cannaActivist advertisem
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820603 
23 Feb 2004 15:08:04
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Bumping this up - it could be altered to attack PTV's "man of the year" and his Nazi-like Roadside check amendments to the new "descrim" bill.....in case we want to do something about it.  


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Current News and Events
Re: Roadside drug checks may come with pot bill
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820601 
23 Feb 2004 15:04:31
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It's Pot TV's MAN OF THE YEAR (no retraction has appeared in any major media) - at it again.

"I've altered the plan .... prey I do not alter it further."
- Darth Vader to Lando in Empire Strikes Back.  


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Terrorism and Drug War
Bayer & Exxon 10: Nazi's experiment with drug war!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820080 
23 Feb 2004 04:15:25
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To understand this story in it's proper context, check out:
www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer




http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id1.html

Bayer and Exxon history part 10:

Nazi's experiment with their own drug war


http://www.lohengrin-verlag.de/images/Himmler.jpg
"Germany needs the strength of every single man for the development of its national and economic freedom. Therefore, no German has the right to impair his strength through alcohol abuse. Such action is detrimental not only to himself, but to his family, and above all, to his people." 
- Heinrich Himmler, 1938. (42)


"Rauschgiftbekaempfung" meant literally "the combatting of drugs." It was a policy coordinated by the Reich Health Service within the Ministry of the Interior. 


http://www.ushmm.org/research/doctors/medical.htm

It was part of the same bureaucratic labyrinth that included the departments of hereditary science and racial hygiene, and much of its policy-making was conducted by Nazi physicians. 


http://www.davehitt.com/nov02/nicotine.html

An unholy alliance of Nazi eugenics and American prohibition, Rauschgiftbek"unsuccessfully attempted to undo centuries of traditional social behavior. (43)



http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id1.html


As in America, industrial hemp was being grown in Germany for the war effort.

http://www.electricemperor.com/eecdrom/HTML/EMP/AA/APPEND5.HTM
 Similar to New York Mayor LaGuardia's 1944 investigation into the effects of cannabis, the Nazi's allowed cannabis research to continue through the 1930's. (44) 

http://www.jahsonic.com/WalterBenjamin.html

http://www.wbenjamin.org/pharmaco.html

When the war began, Germany's research ended.

Addicts of morphine and cocaine were locked up starting in 1941 by the "Reich Bureau for the Struggle against Addictive Drugs," a project under the direction of Reich Health Fuhrer Dr. Leonardo Conti. (45) 




Dr. Conti also conducted medical experiments on those he locked up. He was responsible for the killing of a large number of Germans of "unsound mind." (46)


http://www.realestateparrsboro.com/holomem.html
http://www.historywiz.org/racialhygiene.htm

Dr. Conti also involved himself with malaria experiments at Dachau. 


http://www.phdn.org/histgen/schmitz/medexp04.html

http://www.phdn.org/histgen/schmitz/medexp02.html

http://www.ushmm.org/research/doctors/twoa.htm

The experiment involved 1,200 prisoners, most of them Catholic priests, and cost the lives of 300 to 400 persons. Of them no more than 30 died of the disease itself; the majority died from over doses of the medicines that were being tried out on them. (47) 


hall where medical experiments were done
http://www.pbase.com/varacolaci66/dachau

Dr. Conti committed suicide at Nuremberg in October 1945 after arrest to avoid a trial. (48)

Assisting Dr. Conti was Major General Kurt Blome. (49) 

http://www.ushmm.org/research/doctors/images/07326.jpg

Dr. Blome later worked at Camp Detrick with Rockefeller's pal George Merck. (50)


http://www.telemedicine.org/BioWar/bw04.htm


http://www.gazette.net/200340/frederick/news/180886-1.html


http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2002/01/21/307615.html
http://www.detrick.army.mil/detrick/cutting_edge/index.cfm?chapter=chapter4


http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/standard/newspics/452_nixon.jpg



Figure 3: Anthrax pilot plant used to produce billions of anthrax spores at Fort Detrick, Maryland before the United States unilaterally ended offensive BW research in 1969. Spores were sent to other military sites where they were placed in weapons. The building is entirely free of anthrax spores and on the National Register of Historical Places. Tours frequently take visitors through this old production facility.

Figures 2a, 2b: The "eight ball" one million liter test sphere at Fort Detrick, Maryland. Animals were tethered within the sphere while aerosolized agents were aerosolized.

"The United States started an offensive biological warfare program at Camp Detrick (today Fort Detrick) in Frederick, Maryland in 1943.[27] Ten years later, the defensive program began. By 1969, the U.S. had weaponized the agents causing anthrax, botulism, tularemia, brucellosis, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, and Q fever.[92]"
http://telemedicine.org/stamfor1.htm

Testanlage unter Denkmalschutz: der «Eight Ball» in Fort Detrick.
 http://www-x.nzz.ch/folio/archiv/2003/04/articles/experiment.html

http://www.rund-ums-baby.de/info/aventis/impfstoffe.htm

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/archive/covers/0,16641,1101520818,00.html

http://www.hair38.com/msd_chi/aboutus2.html
http://www.msd-italia.it/altre/mono09dolore/5.html


(42) amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9706/msg00061.html - www.wbenjamin.org/walterbenjamin.html

(43) www.wbenjamin.org/rausch.html

(44) http://www.wbenjamin.org/pharmaco.html#cannabis - www.cognitiveliberty.org/2jcl/2JCL21.htm - www.wbenjamin.org/protocol1.html #IV Walter Benjamin, "Hashish in Marseilles," in Selected Writings, Vol. II: 1927-1934, op. cit., pp. 673-679. An earlier draft of "Hashish in Marseilles" entitled "Protocol IV: Walter Benjamin: 29 September 1928. Saturday. Marseilles."

(45) Medicine and Medical Ethics in Nazi Germany, F.R. Nicosia and J. Huener, 2002, Berghahn Books, p. 45

(46) Snyder, 1976 - www.webster.edu/~woolflm/nazidocsandothers.html

(47) motlc.wiesenthal.com/text/x15/xr1597.html

(48) www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/WCC/warcrimmed.htm

(49) www.mazal.org/archive/nmt/02/NMT02-T0186.htm

(50) "Emerging Viruses," p. 332 See also "Death in the Air - Globalism, Terrorism and Toxic Warfare," Dr. Leonard G. Horowits, 2001, p. 9 - www.rockfound.org

  

"They came for the communists, and I did not speak up because I wasn't a communist; 

They came for the socialists, and I did not speak up because I wasn't a socialist; 

They came for the union leaders, and I did not speak up because I wasn't a union leader; 

They came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a jew; 

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak up for me..." 

                                               Pastor Martin Niemoller

See also:

http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/conditions/12/05/anthrax.leahy.letter/

http://www.counterpunch.org/albarelli1.html

http://www.sskrplaw.com/vaccine/anthchrono.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/bioterror/biow_patrick.html

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/cbw/bw.htm


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820077 
23 Feb 2004 04:11:35
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Thanks for the links, Abby. When we get to that, I'll put it all into the story.  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820075 
23 Feb 2004 04:08:23
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Dick  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820073 
23 Feb 2004 04:04:07
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Merck  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820071 
23 Feb 2004 04:01:18
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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820069 
23 Feb 2004 03:48:42
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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820066 
23 Feb 2004 03:34:24
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1933 Poster  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820057 
23 Feb 2004 03:27:01
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Behind the Nazi's - Millions  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820054 
23 Feb 2004 03:24:29
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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820052 
23 Feb 2004 03:16:10
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Last Ley of the day  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820050 
23 Feb 2004 03:09:16
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One more Lay  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820049 
23 Feb 2004 03:07:02
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Suicide prone  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820048 
23 Feb 2004 03:05:29
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More Lay  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820045 
23 Feb 2004 03:00:45
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Dr. Lay  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820043 
23 Feb 2004 02:59:13
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More Propa  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820040 
23 Feb 2004 02:57:29
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Mora Dat  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 820037 
23 Feb 2004 02:54:59
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Nastie Propa  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Bayer & Exxon 9: Who paid for all the uniforms?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819811 
22 Feb 2004 21:14:18
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If you can't wait till I find all the pictures to see what happens next, try:

www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer


Bayer & Exxon history #9:

A one-time installment fee



Chairman of the I.G. Farben Board, Carl Duisberg:
 Greeting of the political representatives on the occasion 
 of an I.G. anniversary, September 29, 1933.
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus04b.htm

"If Germany is again to be great, all classes of our people must come to the realization that leaders are necessary who can act without concern for the caprices of the masses."
-Carl Duisberg, 1925, speech to the central organization of German industry - the Reichsverband (33)



And try again they did. To be fair, it was mainly steel companies (34),


Instrument in God's hand? Toy in Thyssen's hand!
http://www.jakeneck.com/2003_03_01_archive.php


Defendant Friedrich Flick, flanked by two guards, receiving the 
sentence of the Tribunal.
http://www.mazal.org/archive/nmt/06/NMT06-T0008d.htm
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/photos/p24/p6/p24682.gif

 middle class German patriots 


http://www.ac-bordeaux.fr/Etablissement/CMontaigne/memoire/1imageschap/3par/3par8/sa-09.jpg

and the American pro-Nazi Prescott Bush bank - the "Brown Brothers Harriman" bank - (35) 




http://www.orient.art.pl/Kuron.html




Prescott Bush - Dubya's Grampa
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3255.htm




http://www.axishistory.com/


... who kept the Nazi's equipped with snazzy uniforms and torches ... 


Nazis - 1928

... until the depression hit in 1929. Fearing a communist election victory, more and more of Germany's industrialists began to support Hitler. By 1931, IG Farben was doing so too, although not publicly. (36)


"Thanks for the election!" - I.G. Farben CEO Schmitz (right) meets the German Chancellor at the inaugauration of the German Art Museum, Munich, October 1933. 
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus06.htm

Right-wing historians have tried to downplay I.G.'s "several secret contributions to the Nazi war chest" in 1931 and 1932, (37) and up-play I.G.'s resistance (until 1932) to Hitler's anti-Semitism. (38)


"Work and Food," this poster says. It was used for the November 1932 Reichstag election. The Nazis viewed this as one of their most effective posters.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/liste1b.jpg
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters1.htm

Yet this was the depression - a time when everyone was starving and desperate for any job. No specific amount was mentioned, but I.G. was by far the largest corporation in Europe, and any donation was no doubt vital to electoral victory.


A poster for the July 1932 Reichstag election. The caption says: "The workers have awakened!" Various other parties are trying to persuade the worker to side with them, without success. The small chap in the center with the red hat represents the Marxists (note the Jew whispering in his ear). His piece of paper says: "Nazi barons! Emergency decrees. Lies and slanders. The big-wigs are living high on the hog, the people are wretched." 
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/liste2a.jpg




http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/leybio/200.jpg

I.G. also "dismissed" their most anti-Semitic chemist - Dr. Robert Ley - way back in 1927. 


http://www.leverkusen.com/whoiswho/l/Ley_Rob2.gif

However, I.G. paid him a monthly stipend so he "wouldn't defect to a competitor." (39) With that money he founded a Nazi paper in the Rhineland, became an example of Jewish persecution and a martyr, and became a top Nazi.


http://www.wisoveg.de/euskirchen/hkalender/7980-19.jpg


http://www.ety.com/berlin/ley001.htm

 He would later attempt to convince Hitler to use nerve gas at the end of the war. (40) Dr. Ley committed suicide in his cell at Nuremberg before the trial began.


http://www.leverkusen.com/whoiswho/l/Ley_Rob3.gif
http://www.leverkusen.com/whoiswho/whoiswho.php4?view=Ley_Robe



This poster is from the March 1933 Reichstag election, the last one in which Germans had a choice. The poster shows President Hindenburg and Chancellor Hitler. The caption: "The Reich will never be destroyed if you are united and loyal."
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters2.htm

In early 1933, right before the Nazi's last election, four IG representatives showed up at a meeting of German Industrialists and Nazi economic advisors. According to the November 23, 1945 transcripts from Nuremberg war-crimes trial, Hitler and Goering were hitting up the industrialists for election money. Hitler was to have said;

"Now we stand before the last election. Regardless of the outcome there will be no retreat, even if the coming election does not bring about a decision."


http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus09.htm

Goering then added; "the sacrifices asked for surely would be so much easier for industry to bear if it realized that the election of March 5th will surely be the last one for the next 10 years, probably even for the next 100 years." The Nazi's asked for 3 million marks. They got it, and IG contributed more than ten percent - the largest single contribution. (41)


http://openeyes.50megs.com/page2.htm



(33) Sasuly, "IG Farben," p. 65

(34) ibid, p. 60

(35) www.tetrahedron.org/articles/new_world_order/bush_nazis.html

(36) Sasuly, "IG Farben," p. 66

(37) ibid

(38) Turner, Henry Ashby, "German Big Business & the Rise of Hitler," 1985, Oxford University Press, pp. 96, 248-251. See also Borkin, "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," pp. 68-72, and Chernow, Ron, "The Warburgs," 1993, Vintage, pp. 365

(39) "The Warburgs," p. 275-276

(40) "A Higher Form of Killing," p, 62-63

(41) Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Volume 2, FOURTH DAY, Friday, 23 November 1945, Morning Session - www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/11-23-45.htm - See also "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben" p. 71
  


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819805 
22 Feb 2004 21:10:55
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Thanks for the election  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819802 
22 Feb 2004 21:07:23
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Snazzy Uniforms  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819798 
22 Feb 2004 21:02:30
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Nice emblem  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819796 
22 Feb 2004 21:01:01
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The story behind the Bush league  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819794 
22 Feb 2004 20:58:13
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Prescott  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819792 
22 Feb 2004 20:55:22
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Grampa Bush  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819787 
22 Feb 2004 20:52:17
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Flick - more clear  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819777 
22 Feb 2004 20:43:18
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Frick  

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If you wanna skip ahead and see how the whole thing ends, click on:
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Bayer & Exxon History part 8:

A first attempt at labor cost reductions


http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/f76_131/index.jpg

In September 1916 - one month after consolidating I.G. - Carl Duesburg came up with yet another vision. He proposed that the war ministry "open up the Belgian labor basin." Apparently, sending all of German's best and brightest to the front lines had caused a labor shortage. Less than two months later, the German army began the forced deportation of Belgian workers to German factories. (29) IG indeed gave the Belgians "work rather than phrases" - and rather than wages and freedom, too.


http://www.medicalarchives.jhmi.edu/vbartlett/beltrench100.jpg


The dead and the living. A Belgian civilian and a German soldier.
http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/memoir/Legation/images/gibson35.jpg


http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/memoir/Legation/images/gibson41.jpg


http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/memoir/Legation/images/gibson37.jpg


The Belgian clergy and journalists filled the world's newspapers with the horrors of the enslavement. 


http://www.the-forum.com/posters/images/wwi-74.jpg

The US government sent their German counterparts a note about the forced labor, complaining of a "contravention of all precedents." The deported Belgians, now 40,000 strong, refused to work.


http://www.ww1-propaganda-cards.com/images/punch09.jpg

 Faced with worldwide condemnation, the German power structure abandoned their "free-labor" idea (30) ... at least until they could figure out a way to avoid worldwide condemnation.




Carl Duisberg - the "Swiss Look"

Duisberg and fellow war-gas pioneer Fritz Haber both put on fake beards and hid in Switzerland after the war. (31)


http://www.fstt.ac.ma/chimie/savants/savants.html#haber


 As it turns out, Duisberg's name never appeared on any list of war criminals - post-war anti-communist sentiments were strong enough to overshadow a serious look at capitalist war-crime sponsorship.


http://newman.baruch.cuny.edu/digital/redscare/HTMLCODE/CHRON/RS063.HTM






http://www.ulb.ac.be/sciences/cudec/ressources/Haber.gif
On February 3rd, 1920, less than six months after receiving his Nobel Prize for Chemistry, Fritz Haber was charged with war crimes. The actual trials, taking place the next year, were a joke. No major criminals were tried, and Haber's name was dropped from the list before testimony began. 

http://ciencianet.com/imagenes/haber.jpg






http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/speer.jpg

During the WW2 Nuremberg war-crimes trials, defendant Albert Speer lamented that the failure of the war crimes trials in WW1 only encouraged the criminals to try again. (32)



(29) "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," p. 29

(30) ibid, pp. 29-30

(31) "A Higher Form of Killing," p. 32. See also "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," p. 36

(32) "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," pp. 45-46


See also:

http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/memoir/Legation/Gibson4.htm
   


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Bayer & Exxon history 7: Who named the Nazis?
davidmalmolevine
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22 Feb 2004 16:38:55
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Welcome to my Bayer family album. 
Their entire "all three world wars and-a-drug-war-too" history can be found at:

www.cannabisculture.com/gwbayer




http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/1920a.jpg


Bayer & Exxon history part 7: 

Who named the Nazis - Hitler or IG Farben?

Aside from calling for a "Fuhrer" and gassing millions, I.G. would set other examples for the Nazis to follow. 


Hitler in 1916

In 1916, the IG chemist and plant manager Werner Daitz was to write;

"A new type of state socialism is appearing, totally different from that which any of us have dreamed or thought of. Private economic initiative and the private capitalist economy will not be crippled, but will be regimented from the points of view of state socialism in that capital will be concentrated in the national economy and will be directed outwards with uniform impetus. It breaks this up into national socialism whose election promise will be: work rather than phrases." (27)

Keep in mind, this is at least three years before Hitler added "National Socialist" to the "German Worker's Party" - where the term "Nazi" comes from.


http://library.flawlesslogic.com/nsdap.jpg



 Both Hitler and I.G. were probably tripping off the same Austrian right-wing political vibe, but it seems like I.G. tripped first, doing much to import National Socialism into Germany.


http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/pli03592/index.jpg



http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/m/mussolini-horseback.jpg

To add further clarity, Italian fascist dictator Benito Mussolini would later explain: "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." (28)



Der Sinn des Hitlergrusses
 The real meaning of the Hitler salute 

Kleiner Mann bittet um grosse Gaben
 The little man asks for big gifts 

Millionen stehen hinter mir!
 I've got millions standing behind me 

http://www.callisto.si.usherb.ca:8080/dhsp3/cour/JHeartfield1.jpg
http://www.brasscheck.com/heartfield/hf1.jpg



(27) Sasuly, Richard, "IG Farben," 1947, Boni & Gaer, p. 53

(28) Benito Mussolini, "What is fascism?" - Encyclopedia Intaliana, 1932, Giovanni Gentile
    


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The Nasties part one .... who named them "nazi's" anyway?  

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22 Feb 2004 15:04:23
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If you want to read ahead and see how the story ends, check out:
www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer



Hitler in 1917
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/33dWImages/HitlerSchmidlLippertWW1-150pxw.png

Bayer & Exxon history part 6:

Hitler - one satisfied customer!


http://www.sasked.gov.sk.ca/curr_content/history20/unit2/images/u2s2_4_1.gif

"What is the pain in my eyes compared to this misery? In these nights hatred grew in me, hatred for those responsible for this deed I, for my part, decided to go into politics."
-Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf (22)




http://dbhs.wvusd.k12.ca.us/Gallery/Haber.GIF

"In no future war will the military be able to ignore poison gas. It is a higher form of killing."
-Professor Fritz Haber, pioneer of gas warfare - who got his start through BASF - or receiving the Nobel Prize for Chemistry in 1919 (23)

http://www.britannica.com/nobel/art/ohaberf001p1.jpg


Hitler was temporarily blinded by British mustard gas in 1918 - a gas introduced by BASF chemist Fritz Haber the year before. (24) 


http://www.bib.fh-bonn-rhein-sieg.de/kreisbib/themenkisten/grafikenkiste9/stolzenberg.jpg


http://nmhm.washingtondc.museum/collections/archives/agalleries/ww2/mustard_gas.jpg


http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/graphics/mustardgasvictim.jpg

Hitler's prolonged blindness and poisoning - just as the war ended - must have had a profound effect on his outlook and world-view. Some said the experience "helped determine him to avenge the German Defeat." (25)


http://www.kirkwood.cc.ia.us/faculty/ryost/stereographs/WWI Illustrations/Mustard Gas Burns.gif


http://www.brain-mind.com/images/2x1HitlerSalesman.jpg

And while we're on the topic of common harsh chemicals and their effects on young Adolph's psyche, one other episode is worth recalling. Some historians have tried to explain Hitler's pathological hatred for Jews by pointing to the painful death Hitler's mother experienced at the hands of a Jewish Doctor back in 1907 who might have used too much "iodoform" - a powerful chemical antiseptic - to fight her breast cancer. (26)


http://smoter.com/images/KlaraH.jpg


http://www.8ung.at/xeno/Historisches/Hitlers_Eltern/Bloch.jpg


http://www.uihealthcare.com/depts/medmuseum/wallexhibits/images/ChloroIodo.jpg



With an open mind, one could blame Hitler's mother's agony on the Doctor's faith in harsh chemicals more easily than on his faith in the Old Testament. An open mind, of course, was one thing Hitler was never known for.


http://www.brain-mind.com/images/3x2YoungHitler.gif


http://www.herenciacristiana.com/christianhorror/nazis.html



(22) Hitler, Adolf, "Mein Kampf," 1971 (1925) Houghton Miffin, p. 206

(23) "A Higher Form of Killing," p. xv

(24) www.essaybank.co.uk/free_coursework/1761.html

(25) "A Higher Form of Killing," p. 32

(26) Toyland, John, "Adolf Hitler," 1976, Random House, p. 63. See also Rosenbaum, Ron, "Explaining Hitler," 1998, Random House, pp. 243-249
  


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Ditto  

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Mom's grave  

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Hitler without his "little tramp rip-off" moustash  

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22 Feb 2004 14:46:26
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22 Feb 2004 14:44:34
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Doc of Mom  

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Mother of Hitler  

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M Gas burns  

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Bayer & Exxon history pt5: Their first World War
davidmalmolevine
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22 Feb 2004 04:21:48
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Just in case you didn't catch it the first four times - this can be found at:
www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer



Hitler in 1914



http://www.brk-museum.de/Exponate/Postkarten/1916_Bayer_Opfertag.jpg



The History of Bayer & Exxon 

Part five

You don't want dye? OK ... how about poison gas?




http://eu.dr-rath.com/mr-publishing-internet/uk/pharma/buch.htm



"You will make war when it suits us and keep peace when it doesn't And in return you shall have the support of my newspapers, and the delight of imagining that you are a great statesman."
-Undershaft, the armament maker, in Bernard Shaw's "Major Barbara," Act III, 1905

George Bernard Shaw
http://www.mek.iif.hu/porta/szint/tarsad/irodtud/vilagir/html/f16.htm




http://www.dhm.de/lemo/html/biografien/DuisbergCarl/
It was Carl Duisberg, head of I.G., a man who "would not tolerate dissent," a man who "believed in the 'Fuhrer Principle' long before Hitler was ever heard of," 


http://eu.dr-rath.com/mr-publishing-internet/uk/pharma/buch.htm

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus04b.htm

...it was Duesberg who urged the employment of chemical warfare in the autumn of 1914. (18) Duesberg ... "saw immediately that poison gas warfare could revive the moribund dyestuff industry, which was almost at a standstill since the beginning of the war". He not only devoted Bayer to the poison gas project but also involved himself personally in the experiments." (19)


http://www.worldwar1.com/arms/gas004.jpg

On April 22, 1915, when the Germans finally tried out their new weapon - chlorine gas - it was the I.G. companies and I.G. chemists that supplied it.


http://www.vnh.org/MedAspChemBioWar/images/P21_fig2-9battery.jpg


http://www.ga.k12.pa.us/academics/us/TECHsite/WWIsite/WWImedia/WWIimages/imagesGas/imageGas1.gif


http://www.canadagoose.net/albstj_v.htm


http://www.aghollinger.org/images/Standard/EV01_D10_029_Ypres_-_Saint_Juliaan_Gas_Attack_1915_-_Canadian_Memorial_a.jpg


 Five thousand died terrible deaths - another 10,000 were wounded. (20) 


http://www.eb23-diogo-cao.rcts.pt/Trabalhos/2001gg/carlm/gas.jpg


http://www.eb23-diogo-cao.rcts.pt/Trabalhos/2001gg/carlm/gas2.jpg


http://www.firstworldwar.com/weaponry/graphics/gasshells.jpg


http://www.worldwar1.com/misc/rr161a.jpg


http://www.eb23-diogo-cao.rcts.pt/Trabalhos/2001gg/carlm/gas3.jpg


http://www.archives.ca/05/0518/05180106/051801060904_e.html




http://www.ga.k12.pa.us/academics/us/TECHsite/WWIsite/WWImedia/WWIimages/imagesGas/imagePostcardGasMasks.gif


http://www.ga.k12.pa.us/academics/us/TECHsite/WWIsite/WWImedia/WWIimages/imagesGas/90494.jpg

By the end of the war, at least 91 thousand men had died of gas. Another 1.3 million had been wounded by gas.... one of them was being a young soldier named Adolf Hitler. (21)






http://www.ga.k12.pa.us/academics/us/TECHsite/WWIsite/WWImedia/WWIimages/imagesGas/imageGas2.gif



(19) "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," p. 21

(20) ibid, pp. 22-23. See also "A Higher Form of Killing," pp. 2-3, 10

(21) "A Higher Form of Killing," p. 32


Also check out:

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Same fellow  

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A young german soldier  

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Shell blueprint  

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davidmalmolevine
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22 Feb 2004 03:56:52
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Even more gas  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819058 
22 Feb 2004 03:52:27
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MORE Gas  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819056 
22 Feb 2004 03:48:04
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Gas Shells  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819055 
22 Feb 2004 03:46:05
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Gas wounded  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819054 
22 Feb 2004 03:38:15
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Inscription  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819052 
22 Feb 2004 03:36:02
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Memorial  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819051 
22 Feb 2004 03:32:05
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Gas Attack - Bayer style  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819048 
22 Feb 2004 03:24:06
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Gas attack prep  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819047 
22 Feb 2004 03:22:20
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First Gas attack  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819045 
22 Feb 2004 03:17:29
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Bayer Gas manufacturing  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819042 
22 Feb 2004 03:10:25
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Hiel Duisberg!  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819031 
22 Feb 2004 02:54:47
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Hey Waste of Life - go get one. Play guessing games on your own thread!

Duisberg book  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819029 
22 Feb 2004 02:50:46
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Carl Duesberg  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819023 
22 Feb 2004 02:39:39
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Shaw again  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819020 
22 Feb 2004 02:33:41
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IG WW1  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819015 
22 Feb 2004 02:27:52
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Bayer 1916  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 819009 
22 Feb 2004 02:24:37
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Shaw  

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Terrorism and Drug War
You make me wish for an actual Nazi/CIA agent
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818989 
22 Feb 2004 01:40:35
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That's the difference between you and me, Abby. I try to make those around me smarter, and you try to make those around you feel dumb.

I asked nicely for a link - I even said "please" - and you call me names. At least the Nazi's were sincere about things - you're just a snake about everything -  you pretend to be a nice guy - but it's all an act. I think I would prefer debating a Nazi to debating you - they probably wouldn't lie about themselves as much. 

You've convinced me you're not from Langley - they would definately send us someone more interesting.

I have also found that those who give out information a bit at a time don't have that much of it to begin with.

I don't want to play your guessing game. You'll either post a link or you won't. I'm going back to posting some verifiable information that helps people actually understand the events you KKKut and P2aste and SSpout off about.   


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Terrorism and Drug War
?????????
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818715 
21 Feb 2004 19:43:51
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Links and some references, please Abby. 

As usual you're incomprehensible.  


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818707 
21 Feb 2004 19:29:52
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Good Genes  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818701 
21 Feb 2004 19:13:57
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Yes, well, you can only blame everything wrong in the world AFTER 1947 on the Israelis - before WW2 it was the Rothschilds who were controlling everything, right Abby?

Here's some more home-grown American pre-nazi racial hygiene for ya!

(Do you know any jews that spent that much money on intolerance?)  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818697 
21 Feb 2004 19:09:48
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Eugenics explained  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818696 
21 Feb 2004 19:07:01
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Racist Fetuses  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818694 
21 Feb 2004 19:05:12
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Rocky mentioned  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818693 
21 Feb 2004 19:02:54
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Rocky connection  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818688 
21 Feb 2004 18:59:54
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What they mean by "inferior"  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818685 
21 Feb 2004 18:58:08
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How to stay white 101  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818683 
21 Feb 2004 18:55:35
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Start discouraging race mixing early...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818680 
21 Feb 2004 18:53:32
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More of the master race...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818679 
21 Feb 2004 18:51:39
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More Rockefeller race hygiene  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818677 
21 Feb 2004 18:49:22
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I also included the possiblity that you were a volunteer wingnut as upposed to a professional .... maybe you're here to continue the noble struggle against the globalist ruler jews that stopped briefly in 1946.

More Eugenics stuff - you'll love it.

  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818672 
21 Feb 2004 18:43:29
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Eugenics  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818664 
21 Feb 2004 18:35:23
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Rudin  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818663 
21 Feb 2004 18:34:05
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Rocky and King  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818662 
21 Feb 2004 18:30:13
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Oh....so you ARE reading my "load up" posts!  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818660 
21 Feb 2004 18:28:22
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Eugenics Tree  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818657 
21 Feb 2004 18:23:51
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Here's yer globalists, Abby!  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818656 
21 Feb 2004 18:21:58
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Foundation Logo  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818653 
21 Feb 2004 18:10:24
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Another lab - 1921  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818652 
21 Feb 2004 18:07:27
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Institute lab  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818649 
21 Feb 2004 18:01:04
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Rocky's Welch - Welch's Abraham Flexner  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818646 
21 Feb 2004 17:58:04
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Rocky 1904  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818645 
21 Feb 2004 17:55:42
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Sr. & Jr.  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818639 
21 Feb 2004 17:49:41
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Rocky Jr. & Welch  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818632 
21 Feb 2004 17:39:52
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Rocky's med men  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818630 
21 Feb 2004 17:36:40
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Institute Staff  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818622 
21 Feb 2004 17:32:10
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Laboratory  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818615 
21 Feb 2004 17:20:35
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Institute class  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Bayer & Exxon history pt.4 Survival of the richest
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818609 
21 Feb 2004 17:08:05
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The whole thing found at: www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer




http://bss.sfsu.edu/cherny/h426/Power Point for Lectures/Lecture 2, Economic Development & Industrialization/sld027.htm

Part 4: Survival of the richest


http://www.mervlink.com/rtivnan/movements.htm

Meanwhile, John D. Rockefeller had been busy.


Rockefeller in his early twenties


http://www.micheloud.com/FXM/SO/introduc.htm


http://www.micheloud.com/FXM/SO/trans.htm


http://www.history.rochester.edu/fuels/tarbell/UPTO147.HTM


Standard Oil Building, 1867
http://www.bgsu.edu/departments/acs/1890s/rockefeller/bio2.htm
http://home.alltel.net/dmurphy595/Early_Cleveland.html


http://www.micheloud.com/FXM/SO/pipe.htm


Rockefeller in 1872

By 1880, Rockefeller owned or controlled 95% of all oil produced in the United States. 


http://www.elaineluckpostcards.com/TOPICS WORKSPACE/OIL AND GAS FOLDER/Oil and Gas  Page1.htm


Standard Oil Headquarters in NYC - 26Broadway - 1881
http://www.micheloud.com/FXM/SO/SOT.htm


Another photo of Standard Oil Building, 26 Broadway NYC
http://www.mapsites.net/gotham/webpages/aaronsbeauxartssite/significancenyc1.html



http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ca/contracosta/postcards/ppcs-ccc.html



Rockefeller in 1888


http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MA01/white/hobo/standard.html


Standard Oil Refinery, Kansas, 1910
http://www.neodygrads.com/pages/oldies/refinery.html


Standard Oil gas station, Kentucky, 1914
http://www.hoopla.org/Margolies/Gas/pages/0242WinchesterService.htm

Shortly after the turn of the century, Rockefeller became America's first billionaire. (12)


Rockefeller in 1904


http://www.bgsu.edu/departments/acs/1890s/rockefeller/bio2.htm


 It was around the turn of the century that Rockefeller began to give money to the Foundations, Funds, Research Centers and Institutes that would promote all the drugs his chemists churned out in the years to come.

The most richly endowed research center - the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research - was established in New York in 1902. By 1928 it had received from John D. $65 million in endowment funds. In contrast, as late as 1938, as little as $2.8 million in federal funding was budgeted for the entire U.S. Public Health Service. (13) 


http://www.greenswardparks.org/books/rockefeller07.html


http://www.mit.edu/people/collinsc/gradsch3.html


Rockefeller Institute Laboratory, 1909

Rockefeller Institute Laboratory, 1921
[img]http://www.cannabisculture.com/uploads//818653-RockyInstitute1922.jpg[img]
Rockefeller Institute Laboratory, 1921
http://www.modares.ac.ir/elearning/mnaderi/Genetic Engineering course II/Pages/gallery5.htm


http://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/magazines/2001/august/


http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/CC/Views/Exhibit/other/visuals.html


http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/PHARMACEUTICAL_BUSINESS/history_of_the_pharmaceutical_industry.htm


http://www.modares.ac.ir/elearning/mnaderi/Genetic Engineering course II/Pages/gallery5.htm


Rockefeller Sr. and his son, Rockefeller Jr.


Rockefeller Jr. (holding hat) with Dr. William Welch (goatee) Peking, 1921
http://www.teacherscollege.edu/centers/coce/photoGallery/photoGallery.htm
http://www.medicalarchives.jhmi.edu/welch/group.htm


Dr. William Welch controls many medical rabbits, including Dr. Abraham Flexner - the author of the "Flexner Report" (1910) that was used to put all the herb schools out of business.

http://www.rockefeller.edu/about.php

http://www.archnewsnow.com/features/Feature118.htm

http://www.teacherscollege.edu/centers/coce/photoGallery/photoGallery.htm

http://www.chimie-biochimie.umoncton.ca/bch/af/puc/recherche/etapes/rock.htm

http://info.med.yale.edu/library/exhibits/yalemed2/1911-1921.html


By 1929, the Rockefeller Foundation, first created in 1909, had received $300 million. (14)












http://www.eugenicsarchive.org/eugenics/list_topics.pl

"Eugenics" or "good genes" was a science based on "social Darwinism" or "survival of the fittest" applied to humans. It was very popular with those who had most of the wealth and felt like they needed a scientific rationale for it - to validate the great poverty and suffering that also would occur. After 1900, Rockefeller, along with the Harriman family - the family that gave the Bush family it's start - began to spend million on "eugenics" research. (15)


bulletin #1 - 1911















Some of the Rockefeller Foundation money went to a Swiss psychiatrist named Ernst Rudin. He later went on to head the German "Racial Hygiene Society," a section of the new Nazi state. (16) 





William Lyon Mackenzie King & John D. Rockefeller Jr., Colorado mine, 1915

Rockefeller would also hire William Lyon Mackenzie King as a "Director of Industrial Research" for the Rockefeller Foundation - shortly after he began the racist war on opium-smoking Chinese in Canada. (17)

(12) Marrs, Jim, "Rule by Secrecy," 2000, Harper-Collins, pp. 45-46

(13) Horowitz, Leonard G., "Kissinger and Rockefeller Connections to American Central Intelligence and the Origins of AIDS and Ebola," A Speech Before the Citizens Against Legal Loopholes Rally, The Capitol Mall, Washington, D.C., Labor Day Weekend, 1996 www.whale.to/vaccines/horowitz4.html

(14) Horowits, Leonard G., "Emerging Viruses - Aids and Ebola - Nature, Accident or Intentional?," 1997, Tetrahedron, p. 344

(15) "Rule by Secrecy," pp. 47-48

(16) "Emerging Viruses," pp. 344-345

(17) Hutchison, Bruce, "The Incredible Canadian," 1953, p.34 - see also "Rule by Secrecy," p. 54, see also "http://web.uccs.edu/~history/USC/weekeight.htm">web.uccs.edu/~history/USC/weekeight.htm



Also check out:

http://projects.vassar.edu/1896/trusts.html

http://www.history.rochester.edu/fuels/tarbell/MAIN.HTM

http://phe.rockefeller.edu/welcome.html  


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818599 
21 Feb 2004 16:51:28
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Rocky institute plak  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818595 
21 Feb 2004 16:43:56
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Rocky Institute  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818591 
21 Feb 2004 16:29:11
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Kansas  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818585 
21 Feb 2004 16:23:28
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Kentucky  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818581 
21 Feb 2004 16:19:24
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Hobo taking a Rocky ride  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818579 
21 Feb 2004 16:15:41
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Tank  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818578 
21 Feb 2004 16:13:06
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Early HQ  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818576 
21 Feb 2004 16:08:08
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refinery postcard  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818573 
21 Feb 2004 16:04:14
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26 Broadway photo  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818571 
21 Feb 2004 16:00:43
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Rocky 1888  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818569 
21 Feb 2004 15:57:46
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26 Broadway  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818566 
21 Feb 2004 15:54:30
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Early Refineries  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818565 
21 Feb 2004 15:52:33
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Pipeline  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818564 
21 Feb 2004 15:50:44
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Derrick  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818559 
21 Feb 2004 15:41:43
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Another refinery  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818558 
21 Feb 2004 15:40:22
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refinery  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818555 
21 Feb 2004 15:36:40
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Oil barrels  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818543 
21 Feb 2004 15:29:09
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1872Rocky  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818539 
21 Feb 2004 15:24:33
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Young Rocky  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818537 
21 Feb 2004 15:18:17
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Yet another Cartoon...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818533 
21 Feb 2004 15:10:30
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Another Cartoon...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818529 
21 Feb 2004 15:07:52
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New series...Rockefeller and his Eugenics program ... uploading in here - soon on display in the other Thread...

  

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Current News and Events
Re: Bill c-38.  Rumour. /Swerve
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818272 
21 Feb 2004 08:24:58
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"Classic strawman argument. Take something I didn't say, prop it up and poke holes in it. Useful debating tactic, but not very productive."

Sorry, I'm not trying to win a debate with you, but rather the little voice in my head (heart?) tellling me that this is not a good thing.





"You are unwilling or unable to see any view but your own."

Bullshit. I'm unwilling to grant the government the benifit of the doubt because of the "track record" - decrim has been promised over 12 times before in Canada alone. It's always surface "decrim" - never decrim in spirit.




 "Your comment above is typical - if "they" can amend the contraventions act to send folks to jail for unpaid fines, "they" can amend the current prohibition to mandate sending people to jail for possession; mandate treatment; mandatory minimums, etc. "They" don't seem to be doing that now, though now is the best and easiest opportunity for them to do so."

That's where you're wrong. They have all the time in the world to do this - it's done more slowly, one-step-at-a time. Even the hippies in the 1960's knew their "slow genocide" strategy:

"Essentially genocide is the utmost expression of cultural imperialism - the practice of stripping a people of their particular cultural characteristics, and imposing on them by force the "proper way of life." Thus in practice the powers-that-be use minimum force - arresting enough to dampen enthusiasm, but not quite enough to provoke resistance."
March 14, 1969, Georgia Straight.
http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/mayjune96/grasstown.html 




"That the current law (and/or the possible future decrim law) can be amended to make it worse is a given - any law can."

Their goal is a "singapore" style decrim with forced treatment. The first step down that road is to make the punishment more "appropreate" so there will be "more likelyhood" that the punishment will be enforced ... then they up the punishment, and deal with the "repeat offender" issue.

Conroy brought up the "net widening" issue, and your own (and boringly repetitive answer) is that it's my personal grudge against the world because I'm a useless angry young man who just wants to win an argument with you.

 I think you've been hanging around Marc too much - I'm not doing this because I'm bitter about the Supremes - I'm doing this because participating in the "switching of punishment" by offering any kind of support is WRONG for activists - as wrong as it would be for GAY activists to support the replacement of the criminal sanction of sodomy with "fines" - as wrong as it would be to replace Nazi "race purity" prohibitions with fines. 

You don't get justice through compromise - never ever ever been done in history with any scapegoat, let alone our community.

 




"Therefore, your critiques apply with equal vigor to the status quo, which you prefer to decrim. Do you see the circularity?"

No, because I don't feel the "net-widening" effect is the imagination of myself and John Conroy - I think if you ask any ANY cop in Vancouver if he/she was ordered to go down and start handing out tickets willy nilly he/she would ... I don't hear you addressing valid concerns about the increased probability of that happening under the new system - you just repeat over and over again that it's the same as now (except that the current level of punishment has a stygma attached that prevents mass arrest in big cities - a situation likely to change under decrim).

Here's one concept you've never dealt with: NEW SOUTH WALES:

"The Australian experience

The Australian state of South Australia adopted a fine system in 1987, and suffered the opposite of what was expected. Introducing a ticketing system for pot possession actually ended up bringing more marijuana smokers before the courts and into jail.

A 1998 report from the Canberra Department of Health and Family Services showed that the number of pot possession offences reported under the new system had increased about two and a half times between 1987 and 1996, because police found it so much easier to hand out an instant ticket.

Further, the payment rate of the fines was very low, so that almost half of those ticketed ended up in court for not paying their fine! The courts were having to deal with about 20% more pot-possession cases than before the fine system was put into place. 

The report claims that the low rate of payment for cannabis-related fines is likely due to "financial difficulty experienced by a substantial proportion of those detected." This makes sense when we consider who it is that usually gets caught with public possession of cannabis - typically the young, the homeless, and others not readily capable of paying substantial fines.

The maximum fine under the South Australian system is only $150, while the ticketing system being proposed in Canada by Keith Martin would carry a $200 fine for a first pot-possession offence, escalating to $500 the second time, and to $1000 for the third offence. With the fine payment set so high there would likely be an even higher rate of default under this system.

In Canada, non-payment of a fine usually gets you jail time at a rate of $70 per day. So your third pot possession ticket would get you two weeks in jail if you couldn't cough up $1000."
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2216.html


Here's another concept you've never dealt with: Those living in BC will not be able to take advantage because, in the words of John Conroy:

"A Health Canada press release from May acknowledges this situation, and states that in provinces where the Contraventions Act isn't law, "the court system will continue to be used.""
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3064.html


And, from the same link, another aspect of "descrim" that has yet to be addressed - the "WORSE form of record" argument:

"In enforcing the law relating to possession under 15 grams, the investigating officer has the discretion whether to informally ticket or whether to formally arrest," said Young. "Upon a formal arrest, the offender is subject to search and detention pending release. The trappings of the criminal process are alive and well."

Even worse, media reports have repeated the government's claim that their "decriminalization" will mean an end to criminal records, when in fact it means no such thing.

"Nothing in the Contraventions Act, nor the Criminal Records Act, will prevent the creation of criminal records for marijuana possession," explained Young. "Ironically, the Criminal Records Act is a short piece of legislation which only speaks to the removal of records for those who have received discharges or pardons. This protection is completely absent with respect to the proposal to decriminalize marijuana possession.

"The Criminal Records Act never defined a 'record' nor does it govern the operation of the RCMP's automated criminal convictions records retrieval system (known as CPIC)."

This means that you could get a criminal record under "decrim," and it couldn't be kept out of police information systems, nor be protected from American authorities. Further, unlike a regular criminal record, you can never apply to have it sealed or erased!"




And again from the same article, the "Deja Vu" argument .... not a figment of my imagination, nor is it a product of my "angry, just wanna create straw men" argumentative self. This, like all the other issues I've raised, are genuine concerns.



"Canada's governing Liberals have lied about eliminating such criminal records in the past. Canada's current drug law, The Controlled Drugs and Substances Act passed in 1996, was supposed to make convictions for possession of under 30 grams "untraceable," because there would be no fingerprinting or photographs taken of the accused (CC#04, What every Canadian should know about Bill C-7). Yet Young told Cannabis Culture that these small-time offenses often make it into CPIC anyway, and then are passed on by the RCMP to American Customs and Immigration officials."



And what about the "Increased Penalties" argument against decrim (same article):

"Penalties increase

In terms of small-time trafficking, Bill C-38 instructs judges to give marijuana dealers more punishing sentences if they sold pot near a school, or any public place frequented by persons under the age of 18. So selling pot in malls, markets, parks, sidewalks or really anyplace outside of an adults-only club or bar could merit stricter sentencing.

For pot cultivation in any amount, Canada's current law provides for a maximum penalty of seven years in prison. The new law would provide penalties based on how many plants are being grown, increasing the maximum penalties for anything over 25 plants. The new law would also eliminate jury trials for cultivation of less than 25 plants.

For under three plants, the maximum penalty would be a $5000 fine and/or one year in jail. For between four and 25 plants the maximum penalties would be a $25,000 fine, or five years in prison.

For 26 to 50 plants the maximum penalty would be 10 years. For over 50 plants the maximum sentence would be 14 years, twice the current maximum!

Further, Bill C-38 recommends that growers be thrown in jail if they are convicted of growing in "aggravating circumstances," including if they used someone else's possessions to do it, conceivably put children at risk, created a public safety hazard, or set booby traps. The wording is wide enough to include growers who use rental homes, or even someone who has a small closet grow in the family home where they raise their children.

Billed as a more lenient law, Bill C-38 is really designed to stimulate thousands more cannabis arrests and ensure decades of continued drug war persecution."



And, finally, the "this is indeed a step towards SINGAPORE" argument:

"All nations should "follow the example of" Singapore, according to the UN International Narcotics Control Board's 1995 report. In Singapore, personal pot possession is decriminalized. Sure, you get a mandatory death sentence for being found in possession of over 500 grams of cannabis, but 15 to 499 grams gets you the cane, and "mandatory treatment."

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1586.html


Don't YOU get it? Their STATED plan is to get the whole world to resemble singapore - one step at a time. Decrim is the first step towards their stated plan, it's happening all over the world, and the "net-widening effect" is real and must be taken more seriously than you have thus far taken it. 


      


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Re: (rhetorically speaking to all) The issue...
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818151 
21 Feb 2004 01:26:25
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"there just peanuts ...big deal ...i don't care or post about 
what and who lost wars a houndred years ago...i look at the big picture today.."

www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer

If you click on the above link, you will find that the original, unillustrated work does indeed have much to do with what is going on today. 

Just haven't got there yet with the picture-stuff in the forums. 

I realize many people won't read something unless there are a lot of pictures to go along with the words. Just hold on, we're not yet done exploring WW1, but after we get through with WW2, you will see what Bayer has done with WW3.


   


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Organics
Re: Info/recommendations on these "organic" products?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818144 
21 Feb 2004 01:16:01
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"You think about harvesting your own resources? as in vermiculture and composting? small commercial scale?"

I'm thinking about seriously investing in all the "amendments" and becoming the super-one-stop organic shop. But I need to get the ball rolling first. Stay tuned - when I make my moves, everyone will hear about it.

   


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Organics
Re: Info/recommendations on these "organic" products?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818142 
21 Feb 2004 01:14:19
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"Any progress with the bird poop? Lookin' for a high N guano right about now. Good luck on the venture."

I have found a bat guano that is high in N and tests low in Radioactivity. I'm getting some that's been hammermilled - apparently it goes through "drip systems". I will be publishing the result of my studies very, very soon.... sort of an "organics for beginners" - parts of which I will post in this form as it develops.   


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Seeds and Strains
Texada Timewarp specs...
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 818137 
21 Feb 2004 01:10:18
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Does anyone know any details about texada timewarp? I have a grower friend who wants to know...  


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Bayer & Exxon part 3: Aspirin's twisted history
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 817022 
20 Feb 2004 11:49:46
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The entire story found at:

www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer





http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/8124/23697/237089.html?d=dmtContent


Part 3: Aspirin's twisted history


http://www.leverkusen.com/guide/Archiv1.txt/Lev00054.html



In 1884, Carl Duisberg began his career at Bayer. (7) He was General Manager at Bayer when in 1897 another prominent chemist, Arthur Eichengrun - a Jew - discovered Aspirin. 


White Willow bark - the natural source of aspirin.
http://www.chemheritage.org/EducationalServices/pharm/asp/asp02.htm

Eichengrun was prolific, with 40 patents to his name and was promoted to the head of pharmaceutical research upon his discovery. (8)


Bayer lab (c) 1890's
http://www.aspirin.com/pioneers_de.html

Eichengrun was never given credit for discovering Aspirin. When he was promoted head of research, his assistant, German Felix Hoffmann - the man Bayer claims to this day (9) invented aspirin - was moved to the sales department. 









As it turns out, IG Farben made the Hoffmann story up in 1933 as the Nazi's came into power. To be fair, Bayer would never forget the inventor of their best seller - "the world's favorite painkiller." They used their influence to make sure Eichengrun got sent to the best of concentration camps. (10) 

He even got his own room.

Terrezin Concentration Camp - where Bayer's Nazi's stuck Aspirin inventor.
http://nighteyes_27.tripod.com/czech7.htm



Richard Willstatter, a Jewish Nobel Prize-winning chemist (1915) who had been forced to flee Germany in 1939, wrote a book while in exile in Switzerland. In it there is a short passage in which the scientist criticized Carl Duisberg for making anti-Semitic comments when Willstatter resigned from the University of Munich in 1924. (11) These anti-Semitic tendencies within I.G. Farben would become more pronounced as the company became more political.















(7) www.bayer.com/en/bayer/ugeschichte.php

(8) Aspirin: A Bitter Pill; www.gist.com/tv/article.jsp?adf=dn020601.adf

(9) www.ideafinder.com/history/inventions/story001.htm - See also: www.bayeraspirin.com/questions/hundred_aspirin.htm &
www.bayer.com/en/bayer/ugeschichte.php

(10) Aspirin: A Bitter Pill, www.gist.com/tv/article.jsp?adf=dn020601.adf

(11) Wiesen, S. Johnathan, "German Industry and the Third Reich: Fifty Years of Forgetting and Remembering" www.adl.org/braun/dim_13_2_forgetting.html#top


See also:

http://www.aspirin-foundation.com/100pr.htm

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blaspirin.htm

http://www.chemheritage.org/EducationalServices/pharm/asp/asp00.htm

http://www.aspirin.com/pioneers_de.html

http://www.baykomm.bayer.de/de/themenraeume/gesundheit/frameset.html?page=c_sps_aspirin

http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/8124/23697/237089.html?d=dmtContent
http://www.chemsoc.org/chembytes/ezine/1999/jourdier.htm

  


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 817007 
20 Feb 2004 11:31:39
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Last one .... for real....  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 817006 
20 Feb 2004 11:27:22
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One more...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 817003 
20 Feb 2004 11:26:10
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Two more...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816999 
20 Feb 2004 11:24:21
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and yet still more ...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816996 
20 Feb 2004 11:22:38
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still more aspirin...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816995 
20 Feb 2004 11:20:58
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and yet one more...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816992 
20 Feb 2004 11:18:58
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Yet another...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816991 
20 Feb 2004 11:17:31
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And another...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816990 
20 Feb 2004 11:16:07
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More aspirin photos...

  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816989 
20 Feb 2004 11:13:54
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"Work sets you free" - the irony that this is what the inventor of Aspirin had to read before entering a death camp for most of WW2.

  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816980 
20 Feb 2004 11:08:06
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The reward Bayer gave it's inventor of Aspirin...
   

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Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816977 
20 Feb 2004 11:04:06
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Last hoffmann I promise....  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816974 
20 Feb 2004 11:02:26
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Second last hoffmann  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816972 
20 Feb 2004 11:00:48
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One or two more hoffmann  

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Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816971 
20 Feb 2004 10:59:08
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Yes, even more hoffmann....  

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Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816965 
20 Feb 2004 10:56:53
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Even more hoffmann  

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Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816962 
20 Feb 2004 10:54:26
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More Hoffmann  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816959 
20 Feb 2004 10:52:16
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Even some Hoffmann photos...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816953 
20 Feb 2004 10:46:00
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Tonnes of aspirin pics  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816952 
20 Feb 2004 10:45:05
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Still more aspirin images....  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816947 
20 Feb 2004 10:43:20
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More ASA  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816945 
20 Feb 2004 10:40:32
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More aspirin attachments...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816939 
20 Feb 2004 10:35:34
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Yahoo! Found this one....  

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Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816910 
20 Feb 2004 09:59:25
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Another....  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816905 
20 Feb 2004 09:53:21
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Well, I'm an attachment junkie...  

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Current News and Events
Re: Seeking consensus on "cannaActivist advertisem
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816852 
20 Feb 2004 08:43:48
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All good suggestions....will do.

  


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Current News and Events
Re: Bill c-38.  Rumour. /Swerve
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816851 
20 Feb 2004 08:42:12
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If the NDP failed in their attempts to make it "impossible" to be arrested for unpaid fines as a result of this bill, what makes you think it's not "possible" for them to amend the contraventions act so that people DO go to jail for unpaid fines?  


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Current News and Events
Re: Seeking consensus on "cannaActivist advertisem
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816848 
20 Feb 2004 08:37:17
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Good points - I'll include subject headings on those topics to draw attention to them in the next revised version.

  


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Current News and Events
Re: Seeking consensus on "cannaActivist advertisement"
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816610 
19 Feb 2004 23:56:28
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Just bumping it up to the top of the page so it doesn't get lost right away...

.... one person on the forums is doing the ad - another is doing the website:

http://www3.sympatico.ca/joi-elle/map/dml.htm

  


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Terrorism and Drug War
Bayer & Exxon part 2: How it all began
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816601 
19 Feb 2004 23:37:14
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From www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer


Part 2: How it all began





"Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains."
-Thomas Jefferson to Horatio Gates Spafford, 17 Mar. 1817, cited in Papers 14:221 (1)



http://photos.nondot.org/2002-04-20-Washington-DC/2002-04-21/index20.html
"Unless you become more watchful in your States and check this spirit of monopoly and thirst for exclusive privileges you will in the end find that the most important powers of Government have been given or bartered away, and the control of your dearest interests have been passed into the hands of these corporations." 
-President Andrew Jackson, Farewell Address, March 4, 1837 (2)



http://bensguide.gpo.gov/images/photos/lincoln_hand.jpg
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . .corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
-U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864, from a letter to Col. William F. Elkins (3)




http://www.reformation.org/william-rockefeller.jpg
In 1850, an upstate New York farmer named "Old Bill" Rockefeller moved to Cleveland, listed himself as a "physician" in the city directory and began to palm off bottled raw petroleum on the yokels as a cure for cancer. 


http://www.dg125.com/RadioAdvertising/Images/Nujol.jpg
Calling it "Nujol" ("new oil"), it was the beginning of the Rockefeller medicine and energy monopoly - a mega-cartel that truly began when Bill's cunning and determined son John tried his hand at selling oil. (4)

http://www.startabank.com/history/index.asp




William Henry Perkin - Discoverer of synthetic dye c.1856
Perkin holding a piece of silk dyed aniline purple (mauveine) 
http://www.leaback.com/html/people-3.html
In 1856, just six years after "Old Bill" began to play doctor, an 18-year-old English chemistry student named William Henry Perkin stumbled upon a process to make purple dye from coal tar. Until then, all dyes were made from natural sources such as insects, barks, flowers, berries, animal organs and eggs.

http://www.chemheritage.org/EducationalServices/chemach/cssb/whp.html



Figure 2.  German coal production, about one-third of Britain's in 1880, increased six fold by 1913, almost equaling British yields that year.
http://library.thinkquest.org/C005121/data/germany.htm

 German chemists eventually made the connection between the mountains of coal tar left over from massive steel production in the Ruhr, and the new, cheaper way to make the costly dyes. 



Three companies emerged and dominated the new German dye industry - Hoechst, Bayer, and BASF. (5)


http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/PHARMACEUTICAL_BUSINESS/history_of_the_pharmaceutical_industry.htm



http://www.bayer.com/en/bayer/images/history/duisberg.jpg
In 1916, Bayer chemist Carl Duisberg would organize a loose association of the eight biggest German chemical companies, and formalize this association in 1925, joining with their Swiss counterparts Ciba, Geigy and Sandoz in 1929. (6)


 From the beginning, the association was called the "Interessen Gemeinschaft der Deutschen Teerfarbenindustrie" - the "Community of Interest of the German Dyestuff Industry" - I.G. Farben for short.





Notes

(1) http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1320.htm

(2) www.aircrash.org/burnelli/ajackson.htm - www.bartleby.com/66/76/30276.html

(3) "Abraham Lincoln: A New Portrait," Vol. 2 by Emanuel Hertz, Horace Liveright Inc, 1931, NY, p. 954. See also: "The Lincoln Encyclopedia," Archer H. Shaw, Macmillan, 1950, NY - www.ratical.org/corporations/Lincoln.html

(4) Bealle, Morris, A., "The Drug Story," 1949, The Hornet's Nest, pp. 5-6

(5) Borkin, Joseph,"The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," 1978, The Free Press, pp. 4-5

(6) www.chemchannels.com/chemchannel/homepage/General - Type in "Corporate Information - Ciba Specialty Chemicals Holdings Inc. - See also www.bayer.com/en/bayer/history/ug_1925.php
  


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816598 
19 Feb 2004 23:32:11
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Won't be long now...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816595 
19 Feb 2004 23:19:58
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I can see the light at the end of the tunnel...

  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816593 
19 Feb 2004 23:17:31
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so close...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816589 
19 Feb 2004 23:11:00
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nearly over...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816587 
19 Feb 2004 23:09:05
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Almost done   

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816579 
19 Feb 2004 22:59:26
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...almost done part two...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816574 
19 Feb 2004 22:57:15
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...sure to please....  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816571 
19 Feb 2004 22:55:36
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...somewhere else in this forum....  


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816566 
19 Feb 2004 22:50:49
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Check out the new improved history of Bayer and Exxon....  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816560 
19 Feb 2004 22:46:42
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In the home stretch....  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816554 
19 Feb 2004 22:39:41
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Maybe one or two more...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816552 
19 Feb 2004 22:37:36
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Ok, two more...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816542 
19 Feb 2004 22:33:23
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One more....  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816539 
19 Feb 2004 22:30:20
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even more...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816533 
19 Feb 2004 22:23:51
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And yet still more...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816528 
19 Feb 2004 22:21:39
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And another....  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816508 
19 Feb 2004 22:12:29
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Yet another attachment...

  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816502 
19 Feb 2004 22:10:12
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Another attachment...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816483 
19 Feb 2004 22:01:48
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"no there is no german race or catholic race or jewish race
they are just cults and natonalism...todays jews are mainly coverts from kazakstan..basicaly the same bloodline as the turks...The Khazars...Ashkenazi Jews The Sephardim jews are the ones that are related to abraham."

Do you mind providing a link or source for this info? It isn't "common knowledge".


   

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816442 
19 Feb 2004 21:42:12
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Attaching files...  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Nazis?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816358 
19 Feb 2004 20:31:12
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One more...  

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Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Nazis?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816356 
19 Feb 2004 20:29:25
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Oops! Another...  

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Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Nazis?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816351 
19 Feb 2004 20:26:47
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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Nazis?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816346 
19 Feb 2004 20:23:00
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This time for real!  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Nazis?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816342 
19 Feb 2004 20:19:09
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This isn't as easy as I thought. Let's try again.  

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Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Nazis?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816328 
19 Feb 2004 20:00:19
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And now - in color!  

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Nazis?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816324 
19 Feb 2004 19:58:04
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One more time - that one didn't work!  

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Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Nazis?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816318 
19 Feb 2004 19:55:30
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Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Nazis?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816315 
19 Feb 2004 19:53:22
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Attaching another file  

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Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Nazis?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816312 
19 Feb 2004 19:50:38
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 Attaching a file  

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Bayer & Exxon history - fathers of wars & drugwars
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816301 
19 Feb 2004 19:41:23
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This is just the introduction .... more to come.

Thanks to Abby for teaching me how to upload pics onto the site.

The following story can be found (without pics) at:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer



Starting world wars, 



inventing horrible weapons, 



enslaving large populations...

 
 
A brief history of BIG CHEMICAL 

...OR ... 

WHAT THE "petrochemical pharmaceutical military-industrial trans-national fascist corporate elite son-of-a-bitches" DO ON A REGULAR BASIS TO STIMULATE THEIR SYNTHETIC FUEL & MEDICINE MONOPOLIES.


 

Part 1: At the finish line


http://www.couplandcc.freeserve.co.uk/wells.htm
"Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe."
-H.G. Wells (1866-1946), historian and science fiction writer, "The Fate of Homo Sapiens," p. 105, 1920

When researching the vast ocean of books, magazine articles and internet sites currently devoted to the history of "big chemical," a dramatic fact becomes quickly apparent. There are two main characters. 


http://www.dp.com/kuvat/Bayer.jpg

One German, the other American. Other characters might make a guest appearance or serve in a supporting role, but two companies - or, more accurately, cartels - seem to be running the show and calling the shots.


Robert Minor: "Morgan, Mellon, and Rockefeller" (c. 1922)
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/depression/artgallery.htm

History reveals that these cartels dominate, not only the world of synthetic medicines & bio-pharmaceuticals, chemical pesticides, fertilizers & fuels, and chemical & biological weapons, but also banking, media & geopolitics. I am, of course, talking about the German-Swiss synthetic chemical, fuel and drug cartel once known as I.G. Farben, and the American oil, chemical and drug interests surrounding the Rockefellers.



Diego Rivera paintings from:

http://www.coa.edu/campuslife/work/courseprojects/polcom/thomas/Virtualmuseum/riveraexhibit.html

http://www.dia.org/rivera/info13.htm

http://www.dia.org/rivera/info15.htm

http://www.dia.org/rivera/infoidx.htm

http://www.diamondial.org/rivera/anim/animsew.html

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"Harm the harmless a bit less!" - Wrong message.
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 816289 
19 Feb 2004 19:30:46
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"This response wholly ignores what I posted. The new system does NOT save on court time and judge fees; you retain all procedural rights including the right to a trial under the Contraventions Act and the status quo is preserved in non-contraventions-act provinces. But you knew that, because it was posted right next to the part you quoted - I can only assume you ignore it because it doesn't fit with your rhetoric. That is why discussing this with you is frustrating and, ultimately, not productive; you are wilfully blind to the facts that don't suit your arguments."
 
You haven't factored in the "likelyhood of punishment" factor. If we say "yes" as activists to decrim - then cops won't feel bad if they "inconvience" you slightly, and neither will the judges. Because you won't face jail or border hassles, the cops will feel less like Nazi's and more like "speed trap" cops and they will be more likely to punish you "slightly" and the judges will be more likely to follow through. That's what they're openly "steering" our movement into - a less heavy, more broadly applied punishment for the regular user, and talk of mandatory minimums for growers of over 50 plants.

It may be true that you have a "right" to a trial - but it won't be the same trial. It will be a "you're lucky you're not going to jail" trial. There will be a greater chance of punishment with a more "appropreate" weapon.
 
The psychological aspects of "streamlined" punishment hasn't factored into your equation. There will be more charges laid. That has been the experience in Australia.

And if you get tired of the "retoric" - then lets just deal with facts.

Fact: In Australia, jail rates have doubled.

Fact: Poor people can't pay the fines in Australia - and they're just 25 dollar fines!

Fact: "Punishment" decrim has never led to further reform - in the USA or anywhere. 

Fact: "Punish the harmless a bit less" is the WRONG message - under no circumstances is it acceptable to punish the harmless, even calling it a "compromise" is wrong. "Activists" exist to remove opression. There is a different word for those who replace or adjust or "revitalize" or "streamline" opression.

Deal with these facts, if you will. I don't believe you have at all.

The only decrim worth fighting for is decrim without punishment. Accepting C-10 bill will be to accept years of streamlined prohibition - we should hold out - united - for something involving a bit more "de" and a little less "crim".  


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Organics
Info/recommendations on these "organic" products?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 815991 
19 Feb 2004 15:02:00
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I'm putting together a "organics for beginners" pamphlet and I was wondering if anyone had any comments regarding the inclusion of the following  products:

Foxfarm "Light Warrior" grow medium

Pure Blend bio-stimulant

Green Planet Ozitonic growth hormone

Green Planet Monsta bud vitamin tonic

Green Planet "Karbo-Boost"

Green Planet Zyme


Thanks in advance to whoever is knowledgable in this area and takes time from their busy life to help me start my business out.

  


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Current News and Events
Re: Bill c-38.  Rumour. /Swerve
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 815986 
19 Feb 2004 14:50:57
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"Nothing is stopping them from handing out tickets now".

How much would it cost to arrest a million cannabis users and make them all go to court? How much would it cost just to make them pay a fine without going to court? It seems like there is more cost to the justice system under the current system than the new system - because the new system saves on court time and judge fees.  


 

DML:

...can't make it into law THIS ROUND". Think they're gonna give up on the "drug-free society" if people refuse to pay their fines?

Kirk:
"Think they are going to give up on their drug-free society if decrim fails to pass? "

I don't believe they can afford to pay for a judge for all 3 million users, but if those users themselves were tricked into paying for their own persecution....




"And who is "they" anyway? Paul Martin isn't changing the bill to make it "tougher" even though he could."

Not yet. He wants to get "descrim" through the door first.




 "The NDP is arguing for legalization. Most Canadians don't think cannabis use should be a crime, and most don't think of it as bad or immoral."

The activists should not be supporting descrim if the NDP are all the way over to ReLegalization.





 "A couple MPs have argued for mandatory treatment - but the majority don't seem interested in that route."

When "descrim" doesn't solve the "drug problem", mandatory treatment is next. Hedy always gets what she asks for. She's pritty high up on the Liberal totem pole. They got her to sell C-8 back in 1995.

And, in case you're wondering, the "they" is the "Petrochemical Pharmaceutical Transnational Military-Industrial corporate-elite fascist sons-of-bitches" (Gatewood Galbraith's term) that have been buying elections all over the world for about  80 years now. 

  "They":

   http://www.cannabisculture.com/threads

Gatewood:

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-996.html

Notice the rating for the show? 9.65! Gatewood hit the nail on the head, "they" wise.

                                                                   


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Re: La Sparka 19 -the drive thru experience (pottv2506)
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 815971 
19 Feb 2004 14:33:02
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Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 815566 
19 Feb 2004 03:26:54
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If my girlfriend and my dad call themselves "jews" - I'm not going to say "you're deluded" - that's their business. 

I don't let anti-pot people define my "intelligent preference" as pathological, nor do I let anti-jews define what jewish culture or religion or race is. The only reason a non-jew would care in the first place is if the non-jew was "anti-jewish" - people who understand respect would let people define themselves. Not all jews deserve the title "satanist bunch" - which anyone who reads more than one of your posts would infer your comment refers to.

Tell me - are there NO races? What about the genetic evidence advanced by other "self-deluded satanists" - if all jews share a common unique genetic heritage, doesn't that make them a "race"?

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Current News and Events
Re: Bill c-38.  Rumour. /Swerve
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 815563 
19 Feb 2004 03:16:05
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"I don't see us being fooled by something similar today."

If I had a nickel for every activist who has supported "descrim"....





"I'd like to make a point regarding the standarads/criteria that must be met when deciding if a legal clause is possible You say certain legal clauses are possible because they haven't been proven impossible."

I say the plans for "repeat offenders", "unpaid fines" and "mandatory minimums are PROBABLE because 1) Libby FAILED, for some reason, to make it impossible, and 2) that is their stated goal.

 


"That is way too high a standard for a non- hierarchical, concencus, internet space."

If you take BOTH reasons into account, it looks like there is no other conclusion to come to. You just took one reason into account, and you didn't state it very well.




"We'll decend into a tower of babel before we resolve anything, this thread has alredy started along that track."

Nobody has told me that they won't hand out a million tickets, and nobody has given me a satisfying answer as to why we shouldn't  resist and protest this bill BEFORE they hand out a million tickets. This thread just sounds like a broken record because I refuse to let the "decrim's not so bad" crowd forget the "million ticket" probability.





"I'll suggest we go with: "If something has been rejected in commitee then it can't make it into law" as has been stated already"

"can't make it into law THIS ROUND". Think they're gonna give up on the "drug-free society" if people refuse to pay their fines?



   


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 815174 
18 Feb 2004 20:17:04
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I think I'm getting the hang of this. Thanks, Abby! You're not a waste of space when you're being "helpful Abby" - only when you're being "won't post you the link" Abby or "here's another sketchy source opinion about the jews" Abby.

I wish you would just turn into "helpful" Abby and stay that way. Is that too much to ask for?

   


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Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 815166 
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Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 815154 
18 Feb 2004 20:04:33
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I think I half got it. I can upload the pictures to become an "attachment" - but I can't display them yet.

What if I want to do a bunch of pics with text too - do I have to do them one at a time? Is there a limit to what can be attached with text in between?

  


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 815150 
18 Feb 2004 20:02:01
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Re: (rhetorically speaking to all) The issue...
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 815143 
18 Feb 2004 19:55:34
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"If you took King David's place now you'd be out to prove that you could avoid the same pitfalls, giving you an advantage over him. And you would have a disadvantage because if you did screw up like King David we'd all hold you to a higher standard than we held King David, because we would say you should've known better having lived through and witnessed the pitfalls of King David's reign."


Neither of you have what it takes to get a green name. The rest of the green folks don't habitually post mega gigabites of bullshit on an hourly basis. If you want my job - take it. Just do a year or two's worth of mass civil disobedience first, so we know you can hack it.

As for the hissyfit over the name:

"It is a sign of respect to call people what they wish to be called"
-Jello Biafra

Jello is totally spot on - but "respect" isn't automatic - it doesn't have to do with volumes of posts, either.

Respect has to do with addressing people's concerns. I've spent a good part of last year trying to get Abby to respect the "zero-bullshit-tolerance" threshold we try to maintain around here. If you have facts, fine. Controversial opinions? Great! Hate - hell, everyone has emotions! Put them in the forums!

But day after day of "Rothschild" "Fanatical" "predatory race" this and "Lying Jew Soap Myth" "Holohoax" "whole thing shot on a Heebywood set" that .... I don't believe in banning, but I do believe if you constantly put up "previously genocidal opinion evidence" that has yet to be proven in 100 years (the protocols of zion) and hearsay, and boasts with no substance, and the attack on maybe one or two photographs of thousands - and condemn an entire section of people as pathological as a result .... that's fuckt up. That requires "moderation" if anything does. Not banning.....but some small indication that the rest of the forum expresses concern with your posting choices.

.... I've tried to display an example of the type of scholarship necessary to - without wasting space - make an argument that some sector of the population is pathological or criminogenic. That's the Bayer/Exxon history. If you can even come close to that many ACTUAL sources and facts about "the jews" or "the Rothschilds" - bring it on. So far all you have is OPINION evidence. That means fuk-all to any historian - ask any historian. 

Means fuk-all in law, too - ask any lawyer.

It just generally means somebody is blowing smoke or possibly telling the truth - who knows - certainly nothing to get the ovens warmed-up over.

Since all we have heard in the last year from you is day after day of the IHR, Zundel, David Irving, George Armstrong, a few assorted other authors that don't like notes or bibliography or index or even revealing who their publishers are (what most folks in acadamia call "Sketchy sources") then one of the moderators had enough and removed evidence of respect from the anonymous poster.

Any then YOU say - the offended party - you say you feel JUST like a jew felt - totally persecuted. Of course, you just face ridicule. The jews faced much, much worse than that - there was an effort to find out THEIR ACTUAL NAMES - steal their stuff, kill them. Abby faces no further persecution. Personally, I still agree with the ONE moderator who showed up to debate the issue. You doth protest too much! 

Quit crying like little girly-man who scraped his knee! Get over it! Stop wasting space! Instead, post your links to EVERYTHING you cut and paste from now on ..... and do us a favor and save your un-confirmed, unsubstantiated opinion evidence for somewhere else.

And don't think for a minute that just because no other moderators have joined the debate that they're all telling me to go easy on you or even speaking up for you behind your back. You're all alone in this one, Abby. Two moderators to nothing. All alone.

Quit being a waste of space and become the helpful, fact-filled, always-provide-the-link, non-spamming type of fellow I know you can be.

After a few months of that, I'll change your title myself.....to whatever you want (within reason) even. Sorry I have to put the qualifier in there .... but it's you we're talking about.





  


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Re: Bill c-38.  Rumour. /Swerve
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 814863 
18 Feb 2004 16:49:55
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Bayer & Exxon history p. 4: Bayer $$$ = Nazi votes
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 814831 
18 Feb 2004 16:31:47
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A one-time installment fee

 
Chairman of the I.G. Farben Board, Carl Duisberg:
 Greeting of the political representatives on the occasion 
 of an I.G. anniversary, September 29, 1933.
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus04b.jpg

"If Germany is again to be great, all classes of our people must come to the realization that leaders are necessary who can act without concern for the caprices of the masses."
-Carl Duisberg, 1925, speech to the central organization of German industry - the Reichsverband (33)


The two chairmen of the World Pharmaceutical Cartel
 William E. Weiss and I.G. Farben's Wilhelm Mann (right)
 Leverkusen, 1933
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus07c.jpg


And try again they did. 


http://www.buttonwood.com/b-w2001/bbh.jpg


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/images/Image21.jpg
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3255.htm


http://www.perspectivaciudadana.com/030125/IMAGES/Prescott-Bush,-abuelobig.jpg




Freidrich Flick on trial (from the Wiesenthal Museum in LA.)
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/photos/p24/p6/p24682.gif


Defendant Friedrich Flick, flanked by two guards, receiving the 
sentence of the Tribunal.
http://www.mazal.org/archive/nmt/06/B-Images/NMT08d.jpg

To be fair, it was mainly steel companies (34), middle class German patriots and the American pro-Nazi Prescott Bush bank - the "Brown Brothers Harriman" bank - (35) who kept the Nazi's equipped with snazzy uniforms and torches - until the depression hit in 1929. 


Hitler at Nazi party rally, Nuremberg, Germany, circa 1928 
http://history.acusd.edu/cdr2/WW2Pics4/91080.gif

Fearing a communist election victory, more and more of Germany's industrialists began to support Hitler. By 1931, IG Farben was doing so too, although not publicly. (36)


Reichsmarshall Hermann Göring with I.G. Farben Directors Hermann Schmitz (left) 
 and Carl Krauch (center).
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus09.jpg

Right-wing historians have tried to downplay I.G.'s "several secret contributions to the Nazi war chest" in 1931 and 1932, (37) and up-play I.G.'s resistance (until 1932) to Hitler's anti-Semitism. (38) Yet this was the depression - a time when everyone was starving and desperate for any job. No specific amount was mentioned, but I.G. was by far the largest corporation in Europe, and any donation was no doubt vital to electoral victory - if only for the example it set for smaller corporations.


I.G. Farben's subsidiaries in the Western hemisphere in 1936.
 I.G. Farben had chemical plants in more than 100 countries.
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus17.jpg


Reichs-Secretary of Information and Propaganda Göbbels
 with I.G. Farben Director Wilhelm Otto (center). 
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus11.jpg

I.G. also "dismissed" their most anti-Semitic chemist - Dr. Robert Ley - way back in 1927. 


http://www.leverkusen.com/whoiswho/l/Ley_Rob2.gif


However, I.G. paid him a monthly stipend so he "wouldn't defect to a competitor." (39) 


http://www.wisoveg.de/euskirchen/hkalender/7980-19.jpg

With that money he founded a Nazi paper in the Rhineland, became an example of Jewish persecution and a martyr, and became a top Nazi. 



He would later attempt to convince Hitler to use nerve gas at the end of the war. (40) Dr. Ley committed suicide in his cell at Nuremberg before the trial began.


http://www.leverkusen.com/whoiswho/l/Ley_Rob3.gif
http://www.leverkusen.com/whoiswho/whoiswho.php4?view=Ley_Robe

In early 1933, right before the Nazi's last election, four IG representatives showed up at a meeting of German Industrialists and Nazi economic advisors. According to the November 23, 1945 transcripts from Nuremberg war-crimes trial, Hitler and Goering were hitting up the industrialists for election money. Hitler was to have said;

"Now we stand before the last election. Regardless of the outcome there will be no retreat, even if the coming election does not bring about a decision."



A poster for the July 1932 Reichstag election. The caption says: "The workers have awakened!" Various other parties are trying to persuade the worker to side with them, without success. The small chap in the center with the red hat represents the Marxists (note the Jew whispering in his ear). His piece of paper says: "Nazi barons! Emergency decrees. Lies and slanders. The big-wigs are living high on the hog, the people are wretched." 
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/liste2a.jpg


Goering then added; "the sacrifices asked for surely would be so much easier for industry to bear if it realized that the election of March 5th will surely be the last one for the next 10 years, probably even for the next 100 years." The Nazi's asked for 3 million marks. They got it, and IG contributed more than ten percent - the largest single contribution. (41)


"Work and Food," this poster says. It was used for the November 1932 Reichstag election. The Nazis viewed this as one of their most effective posters.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/liste1b.jpg
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters1.htm



(33) Sasuly, "IG Farben," p. 65

(34) ibid, p. 60

(35) www.tetrahedron.org/articles/new_world_order/bush_nazis.html
http://www.hermes-press.com/profiteering.htm
http://www.hereinreality.com/familyvalues.html
http://liberty.hypermart.net/Archives/03Archives/53-3-May.htm

(36) Sasuly, "IG Farben," p. 66

(37) ibid

(38) Turner, Henry Ashby, "German Big Business & the Rise of Hitler," 1985, Oxford University Press, pp. 96, 248-251. See also Borkin, "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," pp. 68-72, and Chernow, Ron, "The Warburgs," 1993, Vintage, pp. 365

(39) "The Warburgs," p. 275-276

(40) "A Higher Form of Killing," p, 62-63

(41) Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Volume 2, FOURTH DAY, Friday, 23 November 1945, Morning Session - www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/11-23-45.htm - See also "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben" p. 71


http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/PHARMACEUTICAL_BUSINESS/history_of_the_pharmaceutical_industry.htm#auschwitz  


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Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Nazis?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 814746 
18 Feb 2004 15:16:11
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www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer

Who named the Nazis - Hitler or IG Farben?


This poster announces a Nazi meeting in Munich in May 1920. Hitler is to speak on the topic "What do we want?" The text below the title reads: "Citizens! Do not believe that the Germany of misfortune and misery, the nation of corruption and usury, the land of Jewish corruption, can be saved by parties that claim to stand on a foundation of facts. Never!" 
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/1920a.jpg


http://images.google.ca/images?q=tbn:85oIDfc6j08J:faculty.virginia.edu/wwii/Hitler,%25201916.jpg
Hitler in 1916


Aside from calling for a "Fuhrer" and gassing millions, I.G. would set other examples for the Nazis to follow. In 1916, the IG chemist and plant manager Werner Daitz was to write;

"A new type of state socialism is appearing, totally different from that which any of us have dreamed or thought of. Private economic initiative and the private capitalist economy will not be crippled, but will be regimented from the points of view of state socialism in that capital will be concentrated in the national economy and will be directed outwards with uniform impetus It breaks this up into national socialism whose election promise will be: work rather than phrases." (27)


http://library.flawlesslogic.com/nsdap.jpg

Keep in mind, this is at least three years before Hitler added "National Socialist" to the "German Worker's Party" - where the term "Nazi" comes from.


http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/pli03592/index.jpg

 Both Hitler and I.G. were probably tripping off the same Austrian right-wing political vibe, but it seems like I.G. tripped first, doing much to import National Socialism into Germany.


http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/frauen.jpg


http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/m/mussolini-horseback.jpg

To add further clarity, Italian fascist dictator Benito Mussolini would later explain: "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." (28)


Der Sinn des Hitlergrusses
 The real meaning of the Hitler salute 

Kleiner Mann bittet um grosse Gaben
 The little man asks for big gifts 

Millionen stehen hinter mir!
 I've got millions standing behind me 
http://www.brasscheck.com/heartfield/hf1.jpg


http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus01.jpg
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus01.htm


http://www.cbgnetwork.com/Ubersicht/Zeitschrift_SWB/SWB04_98/IG-Farben_Geschichte/Bayerolschinken.jpg




http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus04.jpg





A first attempt at labor cost reductions


 Chairman of the I.G. Farben Board, Carl Duisberg:
 Greeting of the political representatives on the occasion 
 of an I.G. anniversary, September 29, 1933.
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus04b.jpg


http://www.bayer.com/en/bayer/images/history/duisberg.jpg

In September 1916 - one month after consolidating I.G. - Carl Duesburg came up with yet another vision. He proposed that the war ministry "open up the Belgian labor basin." Apparently, sending all of German's best and brightest to the front lines had caused a labor shortage. Less than two months later, the German army began the forced deportation of Belgian workers to German factories. (29) IG indeed gave the Belgians "work rather than phrases" - and rather than wages and freedom, too.


 Belgians entrenched near LaPanne.
http://www.medicalarchives.jhmi.edu/vbartlett/beltrench100.jpg

The Belgian clergy and journalists filled the world's newspapers with the horrors of the enslavement. The US government sent their German counterparts a note about the forced labor, complaining of a "contravention of all precedents." The deported Belgians, now 40,000 strong, refused to work. Faced with worldwide condemnation, the German power structure abandoned their "free-labor" idea (30) at least until they could figure out a way to avoid worldwide condemnation.


http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/march2opt.jpg


http://www.the-forum.com/posters/images/wwi-74.jpg


http://www.ww1-propaganda-cards.com/images/punch09.jpg

Duisberg and fellow war-gas pioneer Fritz Haber both put on fake beards and hid in Switzerland after the war. (31) As it turns out, Duisberg's name never appeared on any list of war criminals - post-war anti-communist sentiments were strong enough to overshadow a serious look at capitalist war-crime sponsorship.


http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/f76_131/index.jpg


http://www.bib.fh-bonn-rhein-sieg.de/kreisbib/themenkisten/grafikenkiste9/stolzenberg.jpg

On February 3rd, 1920, less than six months after receiving his Nobel Prize for Chemistry, Fritz Haber was charged with war crimes. The actual trials, taking place the next year, were a joke. No major criminals were tried, and Haber's name was dropped from the list before testimony began. 



http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/speer.jpg

During the WW2 Nuremberg war-crimes trials, defendant Albert Speer lamented that the failure of the war crimes trials in WW1 only encouraged the criminals to try again. (32)



http://www.pharo.com/20th_century_mysteries/death_of_rudolf_hess/images/mmrh56T_hess_nuremburg_war_crimes.jpg


(27) Sasuly, Richard, "IG Farben," 1947, Boni & Gaer, p. 53

(28) Benito Mussolini, "What is fascism?" - Encyclopedia Intaliana, 1932, Giovanni Gentile

(29) "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," p. 29

(30) ibid, pp. 29-30

(31) "A Higher Form of Killing," p. 32. See also "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," p. 36

(32) "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," pp. 45-46
 
   


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Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Nazis?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 814738 
18 Feb 2004 15:07:51
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www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer

Who named the Nazis - Hitler or IG Farben?


This poster announces a Nazi meeting in Munich in May 1920. Hitler is to speak on the topic "What do we want?" The text below the title reads: "Citizens! Do not believe that the Germany of misfortune and misery, the nation of corruption and usury, the land of Jewish corruption, can be saved by parties that claim to stand on a foundation of facts. Never!" 
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/1920a.jpg

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Re: Seeking consensus on "cannaActivist advertisem
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 814729 
18 Feb 2004 15:03:44
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I would need some help from the folks at CC to "put it up" - I'll try and get in touch with Dana.

Keep in mind, the "sum up" is in the initial ad - which could be repeated on the website!

Each of the three "sections" could be turned into a pamphlet - Frank Discussion, I believe, has some experience in this.

  


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Re: Seeking consensus on "cannaActivist advertisement"
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 814726 
18 Feb 2004 14:59:55
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You or anyone else who wants to make it "concise and clear" - please leave your suggestions here and I will put it together. I can't improve it by myself ... got "lock-brain" .... I need to go out and think about something other than the Stupremes ... perhaps the banners for the rally .... but I know time is of the essence here, so any help with "improvement" and "fund-raising" would be much appreciated.

The original ad doesn't have to be that big ... and we already have a thousand bucks for a budget without even trying!

Let's get this up soon, and then support it with a cross-country postering campaign!

  


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Re: Seeking consensus on "cannaActivist advertisement"
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 814716 
18 Feb 2004 14:50:13
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Thanks for the kind words, K!

I will fix it for any future versions. Do you think it's too wordy? Should I remove anything?

  


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Re: Seeking consensus on "cannaActivist advertisem
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 814712 
18 Feb 2004 14:48:30
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Skel! Thanks for the vote of confidence. More people will read the ad than will read the whole website - but for those that want the details (reporters, fellow activists etc) it will have the "nitty gritty". If you can suggest stuff to remove, I'm open to it.

  


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Re: Bill c-38.  Rumour. /Swerve
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 814707 
18 Feb 2004 14:44:59
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 "I didn't say I was disappointed." 

You didn't judge me in any way - you skillfully left your particular "prophesy"  open to inference - a sign of good lawyer skills. I'm afraid I'm too direct to be much use as an advocate for anyone other than myself.
 
"All your fears are based upon what they WILL do"

No. Some of my fears are based upon the bill AS IS. You don't have anything positive to point to other than "you get a chance to lie to a customs agent"     and "risk further charges" - basically we risk a million tickets and ten-thousand jailed per-year for unpaid fines, in exchange for perhaps a thousand people less per year being jailed for simple possession. Explain how this is a "future concern" under different legislation. Explain why this is a good exchange.


"If the goal of decrim is genocide, there is zero chance of legalization"

No. The goal of the Liberals current version of decrim is "genocide". The Liberals may be forced by cannabis activists and the NDP (or the NDP may form a minority government or have more clout in the next election) to adopt a form of decrim that does not contain punishment - a "true" step in the right direction.



Your info on Oregon is interesting, but it doesn't nix my main point - "punishment" decrim has NEVER led to anything better. Prove me wrong.



"The decrim bill could become "mandatory treatment" as easily as the current legislation could".

Untrue. Hedy Fry was talking about what to do about repeat offenders UNDER THE NEW REGIME. "Forced treatment" is only discussed in relation to fines, because it can only be afforded if there is a fine scheme in place.

Once the cops become addicted to pot fine money, it will be very hard for them to kick the habit. That's under the CURRENT legislation - you haven't addressed the "addicted to ticket funds" issue either.



"If they wanted to shut down the MJ Mecca, they'd do it now."

They can't afford to. There's 300 people on that block who would risk arrest just to obstruct a raid. We would open up the next day. If they come and harrass us with tickets everyday - THAT would put the cafes at risk. We would be financing our own genocide. You have yet to address the "economic bottleneck" issue.


"The little guy" won't go to jail under decrim"

He will if he can't afford to pay his fine - the "contravention's act plan" may not work. The 1995 "won't take your finger-prints" plan failed - what makes you so sure THIS plan will work THIS time?

Again, BC hasn't signed the contraventions act, so there's no guessing what will happen in this province. You have yet to address this issue, too!

 
"You're the one that brought up class"

Yes, you're not rich, I'm not rich. That wasn't the point. The point is that you and perhaps I can afford to pay the fine and not go to jail. We're not the majority of cannabis users - many, many people out there WILL go to jail for unpaid fines - probably more than those who go to jail now for possession. You haven't addressed that concern either - you just get offended at me calling you rich - which I'm not.


I DO support those who are going to jail now for simple possession - I don't think supporting this bill is the right way to help them  - I think holding out OUR support for a "no punishment" bill would be the best way to support them.     



"Why would it be any harder to fight a ticket than a criminal charge? - answer "it won't be"."

I'm not saying it will be harder. I'm saying it will be harder to be pot activists in a world of a "million tickets" than under current criminal prohibition. The tickets will be handed out 24-7-365 on the pot block. This will scare customers away, thus the activists will have less revenue to fight with. Ticket revolt will take up time better used for "total prohibition re moval". The fines will pay for the mass-processing and treatment they have been planning for years - treatment they have no other way to afford.




"You won't change your mind no matter what reasons are put forward"

You haven't come up with one reason yet that doesn't have a whack of holes in it.

You may consider this debate "a waste of bandwidth". I take the worst-case senario more seriously than you do. Lets agree to come to a "pan-activist consensus" on decrim before one of us tells the other "I told you so". 

We should both pray that I'm wrong, but we must also both have a plan in case you're wrong. Do you really want to risk supporting something that - without any amendments - could be the last step before mass ticketing and mass-jailing for unpaid fines? Remember - there are no guarantees that won't happen, and many statements indicating that it will.



"The Canadian Cannabis Coalition (CCC) opposes the proposed decriminalization scheme. Such a national drug strategy is clearly nothing more than a moral crusade. Ultimately it would lead to an increase in all the unintended consequences of prohibition, as has occurred places such as Australia. There, a similar form of decriminalization has resulted in more people being punished, and often more harshly than before the so-called "easing of the laws" through being jailed for unpaid fines. A ticketing scheme would punish Canadians with lower incomes more than those with higher incomes. It would also punish Canadians using cannabis for medical purposes whose needs are not being met by Health Canada's failing program."
http://cannabiscoalition.ca/pr/decrimpr.htm


"Nearly a quarter of Judges stated that UNPAID FINES (including reparation and infringement fees) would influence them to impose a sentence other than a fine and a quarter indicated that they would consider whether the offender would benefit from a rehabilitative/restorative sentence."
http://www.justice.govt.nz/pubs/reports/2003/court-fines/chapter-4.html


"The problem with instant fines is that more people get busted, because it is so easy to hand out a ticket. Of course it is the same people getting busted as now - mostly young, mostly brown (Maori or Pacific Island) and mostly poor. Those people can't afford to pay the fine so end up with a record or doing time anyway for unpaid fines."
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1666.html


"There is a general power under the Fines Act 1996 (NSW) to "write off" or cancel unpaid fines where a fine defaulter does not have sufficient means to pay and is not suitable for any of the non-custodial enforcement procedures.37 It is not clear at this stage how this power is to be exercised.38 Moreover, it does not appear to assist those fine defaulters who are able to satisfy their fines by community service work but who must first default in payment and undergo all other non-custodial enforcement procedures before community service is made available."
http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lrc.nsf/pages/R79CHP3

 
"SB 2074 


Amends the Code of Criminal Procedure of 1963. Provides that the clerk of the court may add a delinquency amount fee to the unpaid fines and unpaid costs of conviction of a convicted person equal to an amount of five percent of the unpaid fines and costs that remain unpaid after 30 days, 10 percent of the unpaid fines and costs that remain unpaid after 60 days, and 15 percent of the unpaid fines and costs that remain unpaid after 90 days. Provides that after 90 days delinquency, the clerk may release that information of delinquency to credit reporting agencies. "
http://www.illinoisbar.org/sections/governmentlawyers/4-02d.htm


" armed NT Police arrived to arrest me for an outstanding warrant for UNPAID FINES over a political action. I anticipated this bastardry and was unavailable for arrest and possible death in custody."
http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/Police-Protect-Mates.b.htm


"Cheryl had been a street working prostitute for ten years. She used $800 worth of heroin in five to six injections daily. She also took up to 60mg of temazepam for sleeping and was a regular cocaine user. The clinic told her that her hepatitis C infection was 'active' and treatment was needed. Though having epilepsy as a child, there were no recent fits. She was wanted by the police for UNPAID FINES."
http://www.addictinthefamily.org/chapseven.html

"The expiation notice system in S.A. has encountered problems such as a clogged court system, &resulted in increased criminal convictions for unpaid fines. Consumers of coffee, tea, cigarettes and alcohol do not have to pay expiation notices, neither should consumers of cannabis."
http://jackal.inta.net.au/PrevWeb/witch11.html


Footnotes

 (1) Mike Bennett, chairman of the Metropolitan Police Federation; "This is absurd. Just to announce a fivefold increase in the fine instead of looking at the problem won't make it go away. You'll end up with an awful lot of unpaid fines. That will deplete court resources. These proposals are not well thought out. Many people who use cannabis simply won't be able to afford the new fines and may end up in prison."
http://webjcli.ncl.ac.uk/1996/issue2/henham2.html


"Young people go in for unpaid fines, often for victimless crimes such as cannabis, and come out with a degee in burglary." 
http://www.greens.org.nz/docs/speeches/000210nt-maiden.htm 


"...it was determined that his licence had been suspended since 1994 for unpaid fines."
http://www.muskokatoday.com/content/current/Opp.htm


"There is still the issue of whether infringement fees could be left over to the respective prosecuting agencies (police and local authorities) to enforce. This may involve providing those collecting authorities with the same bailiff authority now exercised by the Collections Business Unit. The argument is that the courts are simply acting as a debt collector for the agencies (although the courts endeavour to recover costs through enforcement fees and a charge on the payments made). The report of the Courts Services Review Committee (5 October 1994) considered whether collecting fines belonged in the Department for Courts or even the public sector or whether it would be better carried out by private debt collection agencies. A pilot project was carried out after the Collections Business Unit was set up in January 1996 to see how successful private sector agencies would be in collecting unpaid fines. It showed they were as successful at tracing defaulters but not as successful at collecting the debt, probably because they lacked the department's data matching and enforcement powers.[149]"
http://www.justice.govt.nz/pubs/reports/2000/review_money/chapter_5.html


"One state (Kansas) has enacted a statute that provided that unpaid fines and restitution may be converted to day fines to be worked off as community service.[110]"
http://www.justice.govt.nz/pubs/reports/2000/review_money/chapter_4.html


"She was first sent to Cornton Vale at the age of 16 for a minor offence. "I
was pretty streetwise, but I was still a child really," she said. "Nothing
prepared me for prison and when I got inside it was awful. The other women
bullied me - they wanted my visitors to bring in drugs for them. When it
didn't happen, I got a severe beating. I was only in for three weeks but I
came out a different person, harder and tougher. It was no deterrent at
all." A return visit to Cornton Vale four years later - for unpaid fines..."
http://www.pdxnorml.org/980607.html


  


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Re: Bill c-38.  Rumour. /Swerve
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 814640 
18 Feb 2004 13:37:44
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I think it's a bad thing for poor tokers, tokers in big cities and tokers that don't feel they can successfully lie to a customs agent - pritty much everybody except Kim Campbell and Paul Martin. Please don't misrepresent the "no" side of the discussion.  


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Seeking consensus on "cannaActivist advertisement"
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 814636 
18 Feb 2004 13:33:05
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"For all Davids publicity, there is nothing solid left after his 10 years of his kind of activism. He is not building on foundations, David is not a builder. David is an agitator. There is a time and place. Davids time is not now, not in this place. After 10 years and tremendous media exposure, David is angry but ineffectual. In his current angry old man incarnation, David cannot effect change for the better. He is obstructive, not illuminating. He is not a consensus seeker (we have that, everyone but David is on board), he is a thrill seeker addicted to the limelight... which is passing him by." - Marc Emery
 
Though I can understand Marc losing faith in my ability right after the loss at the Supreme Court, I couldn't let him have the last word in this conversation.

It's not true that I've been doing "squat" - nor have I just been angry. I've been busy with safety and quality control issues (I started an organic fert company and have been doing research on different levels of radiation in different ferts), I've been working on a history of Bayer - our new 30 Billion dollar competitors in the 200 billion dollar med pot economy - and I've been working on a history of the Bush family, their three generations of drug-war profiteers. I'm planning to sell pot out in the open this year, too. This is how I suggest it be done, in case anyone else wants to work with me:

Firstly activists place the following ad in as many newspapers as they can afford to:



Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. - Seneca, A.D. 65

{big pot leaf here somewhere}

The recent Supreme Court decision on cannabis laws was unreasonable, unfair and unpersuasive.

The new "Decriminalization"  Bill - Bill C-10 - might do more harm than good.

What are Canadian cannabis activists doing about it? Rallies, conventions, seminars, elections and an "open-air marijuana marketplace" or two!

Find out more at www.cannabisculture.com/news/unpersuaded




This is what they find when they check out the website address:

Laws do not persuade just because they threaten.  - Seneca, A.D. 65  

We, the unpersuaded...

A message to the Supreme Court of Canada, Canadian reporters and Canadian Citizens from Canada's pot-activist community.

This information was written by David Malmo-Levine, and ratified and signed by his fellow Canadian cannabis activists. 



To the Supreme Court of Canada:

	We, the cannabis activists of Canada, who have been working part time or full time for over ten years to push Canada towards a more humane and sane cannabis policy, are extremely disappointed in the majority opinion in Caine, Malmo-Levine and Clay. We feel the decision was unpersuasive, unreasonable, and unfair. There are many reasons to feel this way. Here are some major ones in point form:

	-It's easy to dismiss the challenge as a "right to get stoned" or a "lifestyle choice"- which the majority of the Supreme Court did - but it's harder to dismiss the right to have harmless "tastes and pursuits". Not once was "tastes and pursuits" mentioned in their decision, despite being the focus of much of the argument.

	-Section 7 of the constitution, the section with our "Liberty" or "freedom" rights, was not seen by the Court to protect harmless people. The philosopher most responsible for our constitutional freedoms - John Stuart Mill - was ignored when it came to his suggestion to enshrine "tastes and pursuits" as fundamental to liberty. Mill even argued alcohol "dealers" should be protected by the harm principle, so long as they encourage "legitimate use" and discourage "abuse". If we got our list of political rights - thought, belief, opinion, expression, association, assembly - from Mill, is our freedom not "incomplete' if it does not also include his "tastes and pursuits"?

	-The majority failed to differentiate between use and abuse. (para. 73)

	-The majority put caffeine, chocolate and sugar at risk of prohibition when it wrote that "the control of a 'psychoactive drug' that 'causes alteration of mental function' clearly raises issues of public health and safety". (para. 77) No effort was made to differentiate between drugs with great risk of harm and those with little risk of harm. 

	-The majority ruled that a nation with a constitution that protected all harmless "lifestyles" would be "ungovernable" (para.86) - ignoring successful nations such as Amsterdam - which protects all people from discrimination for any reason - in Article 1 of it's own Constitution. 

	-The majority ruled that the harm principle was not a principle of fundamental justice, (para. 104) despite being found in Article 4 and 5 of the French "Declaration of the Rights of Man and of Citizen" - the world's first national Constitution. The Court argued there was no "consensus that the harm principle was the sole justification for criminal prohibition" and that "the state may sometimes be justified in criminalizing conduct that is either not harmful ... or that causes harm only to the accused" (para. 115) enshrining both scapegoating and paternalism as constitutional principles in one sentence. 

	-The majority has put at risk of cultural genocide any group that politicians consider harmful - no proof of harmfulness is required. This puts at risk many popular scapegoats, including the homosexual community, who have recently been accused of leading a "harmful" lifestyle by right wing Canadian politicians - with as little evidence as was produced against the cannabis community. In order to prevent scapegoating and genocide from ever contaminating Canadian soil, we need a constitutional amendment specifically protecting groups "recently criminalized" people and people "under threat of criminalization" from having to prove that they are harmless.

	-The call for equality for users, growers and dealers was completely ignored by all judges, apparently because being of a certain religion or sexuality is seen as having an "immutable personal characteristic", whereas being a "cannabis user" is not considered "immutable" but rather a "lifestyle choice". (intro. p.7) The call to protect dealers with the harm principle was ignored without comment (intro. p.11) - even by the dissenting judge - even when the judges found that "vulnerable groups" could be protected by dealers who practice harm reduction!

	-The most often heard argument in the dissent - the "proportionality" argument (that the benefits of the law are outweighed by it's drawbacks) was unfairly ignored by the majority. Proportionality was the question that silenced the crown council  - even after the Court gave him an unprecedented ten minutes to think about it.  The majority then "moved the goal-posts" when they changed the test from "disproportionate" to "gross disproportionate". All three dissenting Judges hinted at the unfairness of the majority decision as they all pointed to the "disproportionate" benefits to harms of prohibition. Justice Arbour  said as much when she wrote "The record shows, and the trial judges found, that the prohibition of simple possession of marijuana attempts to prevent a low quantum of harm to society at a very high cost." (intro. p.11)

	-The majority compared cannabis users to animal abusers and pimps (para. 109) cannibals (para. 117) and those who commit incest (118). Unlike animal abusers, exploiters of vulnerable people and those who desecrate corpses, cannabis users are a large minority of people who produce no identifiable, harm. Clearly, the Supreme Court had it out to get us from the beginning. Why else did they ignore comparisons with homosexuals and alcohol dealers in favor of comparisons with those who eat dead people?  

There were some small concessions to activists. There were three dissenting opinions:

    -In Justice Arbour's dissent, the principle of paternalism was attacked, as "harm to others" was identified as the problem, whereas "harm to self" was not seen to "satisfy the constitutional requirements" allowing the state to "resort to imprisonment". Justice Arbour, in essence, argued that Canadians have the right to risk harm to ourselves for non-medical necessity reasons. (intro. p. 9) She wrote "Canadians do not expect to face the prospect of imprisonment whenever they embark on some adventure which involves a possibility of injury to themselves."(intro. p.10)


	-Justice Arbour also recognized "impaired driving" as a separate offense, and the harms from cannabis abuse as "remote and minor".  She found that "Sending vulnerable people to jail to protect them from self-inflicted harm does not respect the harm principle" and that "The state cannot prevent the general population ... from engaging in conduct that is harmless to them, on the basis that  other, more vulnerable persons may harm themselves if they engage in it, particularly if one accepts that imprisonment would be inappropriate for the targeted vulnerable groups." (intro, p.10)

	-Justice LeBel found that the law was "arbitrary" and "a legislative over-reach", calling the "consumption" harms "mild" and the "criminalization" harms "plain and important". (intro, p. 11-12)

	-Justice Deschamps found the law arbitrary, over-broad and found "the harm caused by prohibiting marijuana ... fundamentally disproportionate to the problems the state seeks to suppress. This harm far outweighs the benefits that prohibition can bring."

Some good also came out of the majority decision.

	-The majority did agree that "careful use can mitigate harmful effects". This is a  major admission that we can protect "vulnerable users" with harm-reduction strategies. They then dismissed this wonderful finding with the words "it is open to parliament to proceed on the grounds that psychoactive drugs will to some extent be misused". (para. 100) In other words, we may eliminate 99% of all cannabis misuse with education and reasonable regulations, but because some people might still misuse it, we gotta keep it illegal. Should we do this with caffeine, chocolate and sugar? Anything fun and attractive to people is also, occasionally, misused. There is a slippery slope here. We are in danger of criminalizing all "risk to self". The court ignored the ancient legal principle "No valid conclusion to the use of a thing can be drawn from it's abuse."

	-The majority of the Supreme Court did in fact agree with the Senate when they found that the international treaties did not limit our politicians options to a punishment scheme. This makes it easier to argue against those (especially the current Liberal government) who still say the "international obligations" "tie our hands".  The majority wrote that "it is open to Parliament to decriminalize or otherwise modify any aspect of the marijuana laws that it no longer considers to be good policy." (intro. p.3) (see also para. 136)

	-The majority left open the possibility of a "medical necessity" case winning with the necessity defense. (para. 88)

Canadian activists can now only hope that the information in this decision can somehow be used by anti-prohibitionist politicians, or political activists in other countries. French activists could use 1) it's long history with the harm principle and 2) the findings of fact regarding harm (and harm reduction) in this case (para. 100) and the 1991 German "Lubeck" decision - to gain constitutional protection. 

In the mean time, for those who wish to see cannabis cafes and pot menus, the battlefield has shifted away from the courts and over to the political arena - the media, elections, cannabis entrepreneurship, compassionate health institutions  and marching in the streets - at least until a few of the more intolerant members of the Supreme Court die off.




To Canadian Reporters:

We thank the many reporters who have got it "right", and we beg the few remaining reporters who are skeptics of drug peace to hear what we have to say.

 The drug war is indeed a war. Not with "drugs", but with those who chose certain drugs. When the drug war began about a hundred years ago, it was the drugs that were 1) botanically based, 2) effective and 3) distributed by dark-skinned people that were banned. Later on, it came to include everything "not recommended by a doctor". 

Now we are about to decide to have a "real" drug war. Canada may decide - by adopting the new "decriminalization" bill  Bill C-10 - to have an all-out war on cannabis users. Essentially  the bill is designed to destroy our culture with fines handed out everywhere - including all the new "Bring Your Own Bud" cafes which have recently sprouted up everywhere. 

Later on, their STATED plan is to introduce jail for unpaid fines, mandatory treatment for repeat offenses and mandatory minimums for growers and dealers.

The Liberal version of "decrim" was designed to create a "drug free Canada" - not to "ease up" on anyone. In order for C-10 to be of any benefit, one must lie to a customs agent - a criminal offense in itself!

 Alternatively, Canada may decide - through supporting admitted "occasional user" and NDP head Jack Layton for Prime Minister in the next election. Mr. Layton has expressed a desire to see "pot cafes" - a place people can distribute cannabis relatively unmolested (as some people have - with few problems - for over 30 years in some European communities). 

We face a stark choice: Singapore or Amsterdam? The choice is very real, and it's about to be made.

Canada is at the crossroads - drug war or drug peace forever. And the whole world is watching. Everybody seems to take their cue from us - especially the United States. The U.S.A. learned from Canada's example with ending overt slavery, giving women the vote and ending alcohol prohibition. Why should it be any different with cannabis?

This is the everyday mental reality of the Canadian cannabis community. Our lives are on the edge ... will we all become fully dignified - like the caffeine junkies, chocolate addicts and sugar alcoholics that surround us? Or are we the next scapegoats of the new "drug free" world order?

We, like our fellow puffers around the world, face imminent cultural genocide, directed at us from out-of-control, unelected, corporate drug-pushing, secret-handshaking, psychopathic morons. But rather than "give up and give in" in the face of an unresponsive and money-warped political system and an unreasonable legal system, we choose instead to fight on, putting our faith in ourselves, our community and our herb, rather than our rulers. We fight using the one potent weapon available to the "relaxed" and the "meek" - the truth.

There's something that you reporters - the fifth estate - can do for us harmless, imaginative and helpful cannabis folk. You can start asking the right questions, and putting a more sane spin on stories. For example, if you always remember to differentiate between drug use and drug abuse, drug problems and drug-prohibition problems, decrim that's "punishment free" versus decrim that's "punishment heavy" - you will have at least represented "both sides". 

You're the only estate we have left - please don't fail us.

The following is what we cannabis activists have in store for you to report on this year - aside from the election, of course...





 And with that, here is our message to our own community and our fellow Canadians.

The powers-that-be have forced us to make our final stand. Our hope lies not with the politicians or the law. Our true hope lies with the few good reporters remaining in the mainstream press, the alternative press, and the "age of information" - so that everyone knows that the laws that were written to destroy us were not defensible in real life. Perhaps that means something to those who oppose us. Perhaps it has softened their resolve.

History is full of mutiny - and the drug war is a perfect candidate for mutiny. Cannabis users are most everyone's favorite movie stars, musicians, comedians and artists. Even the soldiers would be sad to see us all go. Look into the eyes of the next police officer you get a chance to meet, and ask if his or her heart is really into the battle against the  cannabis community.

Prohibitionists have backed us into a corner, and even though the Supreme Court is not on the side of the those who would protect harmless-to-others "tastes and pursuits", we still have common law based on the principle known as "necessity", and we still have the dignity and liberty and equality promised us in the international human rights laws - laws which supposedly trump the international "drug-control" treaties.

The "necessity defense" is found in section 8 (3) of the Criminal Code of Canada. It is an old defense, that is: "you have the right to commit a small crime in order to prevent a big crime". Keeping cannabis plants, cannabis genetics, the cannabis economy and culture alive - otherwise known as cannabis crimes - can be said to be the smallest of crimes. Cultural genocide is one of the largest crimes - if not THE largest. It is necessary to fight for and maintain human autonomy in all health choices. It is necessary that all cannabis laws must be challenged in every way possible - including breaking them out in the open.

Keep in mind the international laws: The "dignity" and "liberty" and "equality" found in Articles 1 and 3 of the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Keep in mind also Article 11 of this document - the "innocent until proved guilty" part - no one has yet proven we cannabis growers and dealers are harming anyone! Creating "institutions similar to slavery" is also prohibited in this document. This historic document was the end result of World War 2 - millions fought and died for these rights. There are other international treaties to pay attention to besides the hypocritical racist monopolistic anti-drug treaties our Liberal "representatives" keep telling us we have no choice but to obey.

Using these arguments to defend our unique methods of protest, this is what we have planned for this year's round of pot activism:


	-In Toronto, the "Green Pride" protest of March 4 & 5 will focus on the police's "Green Tide" anti-cannabis convention.

	-The Global Marijuana March will be on Saturday, May 1st. There are already over 120 cities signed up - there may be as many as 200 by the time May rolls around. In Vancouver, there will be a 2PM rally at the Art Gallery and then a march over to Hedy Fry's office on Denman ave. and Davies st. (Hedy suggested "treatment" - piss tests, group therapy, forced labor - for repeat offenders) to chalk up the sidewalk surrounding her office - to let her know how we feel about "treatment". Then we will have the first "open air marijuana marketplace" protest in the history of pot activism. Bring a few bucks - all your favorite buds will be there.

	-In Vancouver, there's a one day seminar ' What would Legal Marijuana Look Like' on May 8th at the Wosk Centre.

	-The BC Marijuana Party has endorsed the NDP in the next federal election - slated for this May. The National Marijuana Party has decided to stay in the race and "keep the NDP honest".

	-The BC Marijuana Party intends to run 79 candidates in the May 2005 BC provincial election. It is likely that Marc Emery will run in Solicitor General Rich Coleman's riding.

	-In Ottawa, the "Fill The Hill" Demonstration of June 5 will draw attention to the cannabis debate as it relates to federal politics.

	-Marc Emery is currently on a nationwide speaking tour in March of universities and campuses (including UBC and UVIC) to condemn Bill C-10 and explain cooperating with the NDP. On March 27 Marc will address a conference of BC Probation Officers in Chilliwack, BC. 

Individual activists will still continue to write letters, phone into talk-shows, put up posters, conduct rallies and workshops, create art and music - all in the interest of greater cannabis understanding and cannabis freedom.

 Activists will continue to open up new "bring your own bud" cafes, compassion clubs and other organizations, explaining themselves and eliminating stigma with every new name, neon sign, sandwich board and business card. The fight for true freedom and dignity is on, and we have just begun.

Sincerely, David Malmo-Levine

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To learn more about the new Liberal plan to "decrim", and about cannabis activism in your area, check out the "political forum" - just click on "forums" on the home page of cannabisculture.com

To learn more about the recent Supreme Court pot challenge: 

www.johnconroy.com

www.pot-tv.net/archive/series/pottvseries-109-0.html


To learn more about international human rights:

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html


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Well..... what do you think? This is a rough copy, of course. I'm open to any suggestions on how to improve this project or proceed with a better one. I just think we should be taking the "high ground" and educating the public with regards to the Supreme Court decision, the new "descrim" bill and all our projects we have going on this year. If anyone has any better suggestions, I'm open to them. 

I have 500 bucks of my own money for this, I want to put it in as many  newspapers as possible across Canada (beginning with Vancouver, Ottawa, Montreal and Toronto) and I'm asking all the movers and shakers to put in at least as much as I have.

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Re: Bill c-38.  Rumour. /Swerve
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 814551 
18 Feb 2004 11:55:29
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As well, read what Libby Davies UNSUCCESSFULLY tried to get into Bill C-10:

"Add a special provision to the Bill to guarantee no imprisonment on defaulting on the payment of fines. "

Because this amendment was not adopted, then there IS NO GUARANTEE that there will be no imprisonment for unpaid fines. You see - they're leaving it open.

Plus there is no guarantee that their "won't tell the US" system will work properly - it's never been tried before.

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Re: Bill c-38.  Rumour. /Swerve
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 814548 
18 Feb 2004 11:51:12
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"Well, I can't say I'm surprised by this response, David."

You continue to dissapoint me too.





 "You harped, repeatedly, on the fact that mandatory treatment, minimums, etc WOULD be in the Bill (despite the evidence to the contrary), and now that you seem to have been wrong, you backtrack to suggesting that such measures WILL come down in the future. I think you need to get some optimism."

I never promised it would be in the bill. I just noticed it was in the works. What do you think will happen if we don't pay the fines? Will they just give up their attempt at a "drug free" society?







"Put it this way: if "they" want a cannabis-free society, what makes you think that legalization will ever happen?"

The chances of it happening increase if activists are principled, and decrease if we accept unprincipled compromises that are in fact 1) useless unless one wishes to risk further charges of lying to a customs official, and 2) risky in their "net-widening", "mass-punishment", "finally a way to harrass the byob cafe" sort of way.






 "If decrim is awful, and sure to lead to much worse measures being implemented later, why would legalization ever be a possibility?"

Not through anything the Liberals do. I do think activist pressure + the NDP can do more - especially under the current "bottleneck" "can't-afford-to-bust-us-all" situation we have now.







 "As I pointed out earlier; "they" can always introduce mandatory treatment, minimums, etc. That can happen NOW - even if decrim does not pass. If decrim passes, I simply do not see a GREATER likelihood of those evils; at worst it is the same likelihood that exists today under the status quo."

The question is not "what will they do?" - the question is: "what do we support?"




"Maybe "decrim" is the thin edge of OUR wedge. Maybe when society realizes it isn't working (organized crime still involved, grow ops still proliferating, and as you fear people still going to jail and getting records, etc.) there will be a realizing that both prohibition and decrim are failures - thus leading to legalization."

It's been decrim in Oregon since 1973. 10 other US states "Decrimmed" and NOTHING has happened as a result of this. No "spin-offs". If anything it took the wind out of the sails of the movement in the late seventies.                                                         






"Maybe it isn't all doom and gloom. And you'll notice is use "maybe" because I acknowledge that we do not know what will happen."

I would rather fight the devil we know (and are currently winning against). You don't know how hard it was to dissuade hemp-store raids. I don't want to risk them destroying the Marijuana Mecca with a blizzard of tickets.



 

"As for your comment that it will be easier for me to fight a ticket; of course it will. I'm legally trained, have practiced law for years and know a lot about it. It is easier for me to fight an arrest under the current scheme. So what?"

So......"decrim" is more attractive to those who can fight tickets and/or pay the fines. Why are you letting them divide our movement by class? Let's support all those millions of pot heads who 1) arn't getting tickets now, and 2) who can't afford to pay for them in the future.




 "Everyone can fight tickets - no one needs a lawyer - people representing themselves gum up the works even more precisely because they do NOT know what they are doing, yet the courts MUST provide them with due process (ie, it takes a lot longer and involves a lot more work)."

I don't see us being able to co-ordinate a ticket revolt if we ourselves are constantly attacked by them, and I don't see poor, uneducated people doing it on their own.


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read history books - unprincipled compromise fatal
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 814538 
18 Feb 2004 11:39:04
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"David, i think you might underestimate just how wide spread Cannabis is being used in Canada, including by MP's aids and staff and others in positions of power."

There were a lot of "stealth jews" in Germany during WW2, but that didn't stop it from getting very bad for all the "exposed jews".

 


"In addition to this point, i think there are a huge number of non Cannabis users who will support the effort towards legalization. In my opinion, the jig is almost up. The wall of Prohibition has some very serious cracks in it. Half of the cops i've talked to in the last year privately support a regulated system for Marijuana. Even the Toronto Sun is considering supporting a regulated/legalized environment. The Toronto Sun! And then there's that front line Ontario judge who just stated openly he thinks it should be legalized."

All the more reason to hold out for it instead of "punishment switching".





 

"If this bill does pass, i don't think it's going to slow down the momentum towards Legalization. It may even accelerate things."

No where  - NO WHERE - "punishment" decrim has been tried has it EVER accelerated anything. Show me where accepting an unprinciple compromised has EVER helped any scapegoats at any time in history.

I can point to the Belgians in WW1 - no compromise - no genocide. (Same Germans as in WW2 - same forced labor attempt). The Jews in WW2? - lots of compromise in the Jewish leadership (they focused on saving a few "exceptional jews" instead of everyone) - mucho genocide.






  


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Re: Question: Decrim - "improvement" or "genocide"?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 814455 
18 Feb 2004 10:04:30
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I'm putting the final touches on an ad for the newspaper, and I am unable to understand the "the bill ain't genocide" crowd. Many reasons I'm not convinced Bill C-10 is good for us. 

1) They can't afford to mass-arrest us now, but the bill will make that possible. 

2) It does nothing for travelling to the US unless you want to risk further charges of lying to a customs officer. 

3) It will seriously increase the chances that BYOB cafes will have to close down due to the increased harrasment and fines. 

4) There is no guarantee that the judges will be as supportive of a fine protest as they have been with the heavy hand of the law. 

5) Ask any cop in Vancouver if he would hand-out pot-smoking tickets willy-nilly if ordered to. They all say "YES" in a heartbeat.

5) All the other scapegoats went from "criminal" to "zero punishment" - homosexuals didn't accept "fines" - obscene stand-up comics would not have "settled" for fines - Drs. who perform abortions wouldn't be happy with "just fines" instead of jail - I can't believe there's a single pot head who likes the idea of "punishment switching".

I haven't heard ONE CONVINCING WORD from the "decrim sucks but it's a step in the right direction" crowd.

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Re: Bill c-38.  Rumour. /Swerve
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 814440 
18 Feb 2004 09:52:53
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"This is good news. It doesn't make the Bill great, for all the reasons we've talked about, but it does indicate that it won't be worse."

This is the thin edge of their wedge. All that stuff is coming later when this move proves not to have "worked". They still want a "cannabis-user-free" society. Anything that increases the chance of us starting down that road is a BAD THING, not a good thing. 

I think YOU will have an easier time fighting the tickets than a lot of other people. I think I would rather fight them under the current rules (a battle we've been winning for 4 years) than invite a devil we don't know (the "wide net" devil - to use John Conroy's terms) into battle against us.


    


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Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Nazis?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 814433 
18 Feb 2004 09:47:01
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I must be doing it wrong. The way you suggested, Abby, it seems like the photos would become attachments. I want to display them all at once. Is that possible?

It also was doing it for ALL the posts, and now it's doing it for NONE. I don't think it has anything to do with the pics not being "up to date" - as I just found them the other day.

    


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Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Nazis?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 814430 
18 Feb 2004 09:43:21
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Re: Bill c-38.  Rumour. /Swerve
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813884 
17 Feb 2004 16:18:44
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Those Justice Department recommendations sound reasonable.

But can you give us an example in recent history (or any history) of governments doing what is reasonable with regards to cannabis?

"The dutch."

I meant in North America. Besides, the Dutch still close cafes arbitrarily, and still - as you and many others rightly point out, haven't "fully" legalized it.





DML Quote:

Let us separate our "hopes" and "messages" from our "worst-case-scenario-action plans". 

The "what is reasonable" is for talk of our hopes and our message, and the "what is possible" or even "what is planned" will shape our worse-case-scenario action plans.




"And let us separate our fears about what might happen with this Bill from what the Bill acutally says."

And let us also remember that anything they themselves brought up in the hearings in regards to their future plans is also fair game for the "do we support this bill as it stands now" discussion. 

Like Forced Treatment, for example.






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The "increasing fines" and "re-crim" of second offences have been ruled out (this time) but that does not rule out "mandatory treatment" this time, or everything coming in later on, once the ticketing scheme is in place.




"No, you are right, the law can always be changed. But that holds true for any law - this Bill could outright legalize cannabis and next year prohibition could be re-enacted."

Then let us hold out for the first "principled" law suggested, so that when we do finally settle for something, it will be based upon principle, and will have a "positive" educational effect instead of a "negative" educational effect.





"I'll go back and read the minutes of the committee meetings, but I don't think anyone seriously suggested imposing mandatory treatment."

Hedy Fry did - it's at the end of the show WE did on PTV:

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2302.html

Keith Martin is also a big fan of big fines and forced treatment - the first big fan -  and he just joined the Liberals!







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Nobody on this forum has yet to address the "net-widening" issue at all.

 



"2 points. First, I think you are wrong when you suggest (in a post other than this one) that you can go to jail for unpaid fines. In fact, under the Contraventions Act, unpaid fines get turned into civil judgments - but not jail terms."

1) Is that written in stone? Guaranteed not to happen at a later date once the "fine" system is in place? 2) Isn't BC a "non-signatory" to controventions act? What does that mean?

 



"Second, we can fight the net widening effect (if it occurs) by refusing to pay tickets and by demanding trials every time a ticket is handed out (you have that right)."

Easier for those with cash flow than those without.






 "That will gum up the works pretty good and ramp the expense back up to the point it is now, or higher."

I'm all for gumming, but that hasn't happened in any "punishment-heavy" decrim zone - or anywhere. If we settle for nothing now, we'll settle for nothing later.





"Not to mention that new legal arguments (that are currently unavailable under the law as set out in your case/Clay/Caine) will be possible under this Bill. For example, if possession is a "contravention" not a "crime" then how can it be in the federal jurisdiction (particularly in provinces that are not part of the contraventions act)? And how can your 30 gram plant (or 300 gram plant for that matter) be non-criminal when growing but immediately criminal when harvested? This is a fundamentally arbitrary distinction that could be challenged on constitutional grounds. "

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Re: Bill c-38.  Rumour. /Swerve
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813849 
17 Feb 2004 15:40:36
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"I'm not with you on this one. Your "What if" scanario implies that the law when passed would contain an unseen loophole. For that to happen either they put a loophole in that we don't catch or they pass a law that on paper is acceptable to us but they then don't adhere to it."

That's exactly what happened in 1995 - the Liberals passed a "decrim" bill called C-8 - the loopholes were 1) that the cops don't care about "fingerprints" - just your name is enough to get stopped at the border, and 2) the cops never stopped fingerprinting. 

Do you want the Liberals to win the next ten elections with the same "decrim" lie?





 

"Either we have the confidence in our analysis of impending changes or we don't. If we do have confidence and the law is acceptable to us then great if it isn't acceptavble then we fight."

I say we fight.








 "But If we don't have confidence then, well then we have bigger problems than the new law... I think you take the point."

I know "decrim" sucks because it's "decrim" in singapore right now - the worst  place for a pothead. No "criminal record" - just "forced treatment".






 "If we don't have confidence the the Gov will adhere to the "acceptable" law then....they can pass any legalization law and still jail us!"

If "forced treatment" is even mentioned as part of the package, we shouldn't risk that they might actually do it. We must fight or our kids will NEVER see the cafes, and they might all be in prison as a result of our lack of resolve.







"Dave I am am fan of yours but I think you have to be a little more realistic in your analysis,"

I'm a historian, and I think you need a little more history in your analysis.





 "I do see how a healthy amount of cynicism is in order though, just in this case it overcame your sense of logic. "

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Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Na
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813831 
17 Feb 2004 15:27:21
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Reputations earned - or "Caucasian Culture"?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813741 
17 Feb 2004 14:08:16
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"Offended by something? Who the fuck are you to determine the threshold for anyone else?"

Firstly, we're not banning anyone, nor are we stopping anyone from posting anything. All we're asking (or all I'm asking) is that Abby provides links for his kkkut and paste. 

Also, if it wouldn't be too much trouble (many hassles would be avoided) if he didn't take right-wing christian diatribes as "gospel"...but I understand if he never understands "quality of source" issues.




"Have we all come down with some twisted hantavirus whose primary symptoms include thinning of the skin, noted receding patience, remarkable hypocrisy towards free speech and a need to hide behind others, scavenge in packs and assorted other apologist weeny-isms?"

No. We like free speech and this actually assists in more speech and less censorship. What we are evolving into is a type of human who cares about the quality of the information we act upon. We are learning not to repeat mistakes of the past, and let someone ramble on and on and on about how "x" type of humans are the problem - and not provide evidence. 

When I blame certain humans, I provide real evidence. That's the difference between me and Abby.

 



"This forum...needs to get ahold of itself..."

It works quite nicely, otherwise you wouldn't be here.







"From hence, all conflict must be reduced to: 

Antagonist: "Fuck you."

Protagonist: "No, fuck you." 

No. That's what it was like before. Now people will actually have to back up their "fuck yous".




"and for the record, I very much like Abby."

I like parts of him too. He taught me how to post images up.




" and when I see a page-long post dominated by him, I either elect to read it...or don't...but I do not get pissed off because it is there."

To prevent CC forums from becoming a dumping ground for all the anti-jew hate in the world (or any other specious arguments) having a "reputation" maintain some sort of "stadard" is the ESSENCE of discussion moderation. Call me a fascist if you like, but rather than prevent free speech, the title change actually prevents lies from being voiced continuously unchallenged.

Or would you rather we go back and learn the lessons of the twenties and thirties again? They tried to censor the Nazi's but censorship (aside from being unprincipled) didn't stop them.

I'm tired of being a scapegoat. If someone dumped lie after lie after lie about pot in  these forums,  you can bet EVERYONE would be demanding that the poster back up what they say.

Because it's anti-jew stuff, only the jews and half-jews demand some form of accountability. You can help us yids out now with these scapegoating creeps, or you can suffer the consequences later when CC forums stands for Caucasian Culture.

  


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Re: A debate on moderators changing personal titles
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813728 
17 Feb 2004 13:50:12
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"You let them exist. "
 
Abby continues to exist, just without the "blessing" of all of the moderators.




"David, most people think potheads are space-wasters...their space would be better filled in prison, in many peoples' minds. Come now David, I know you are tired of abby but don't start in with the fascist arguments justified by "it's abby, he deserves it"... "

Facist would be to ban him. Reputation will one day replace economic wealth as a form of currency. By creating a physical manifestation of "reputation" the moderators here have chosen to address valid concerns over scapegoating and just plain bad (some might even argue "unfair" or "in bad faith") journalism.
 
 If you can come up with other ways to address these concerns, I'd love to hear them. 

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Re: A debate on moderators changing personal title
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813724 
17 Feb 2004 13:45:39
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"Well that's one thing that Abby has shown that raised some serious questions. Why would they be taping it unless they knew about it beforehand? How did they know? They were obviously in on it to some degree...maybe not the paranoid extreme level that abby's talking about, but in on it all the same."

My reply to that was:

 1) There are better examples of fishy film-making. There were two FRENCH, NON-Jew film makers who were paid to follow around the WTC's fire-fighters for months before and who were the only ones to provide the world with any image of the first plane hitting the tower.

So why does Abby focus on the Mossad when we haven't even seen THEIR video?

2) The Mossad (like many other intelligence agencies) were following the stock market under real time and could figure out there was going to be an attack by the number of put options (see the original thread for sources) on the Towers and American Airlines. So the Mossad knew - EVERYONE KNEW! Why is it the Israeli secret services job to do something about it - it was the CIA's job - and they knew too.

So what does our Space Waster do with #1 and #2 arguments? Ignore them of course. Isreal rules the world "because i said so" and that's that. If Abby was genuinely interested in the truth instead of coming up with every anti-israeli or anti-jewish "fact" he can possibly muster, he would be open to other options, or at least react to them with something other than grade-school insults.






"BTW David, IMO whether you did change his title or not (doesn't really matter), I think either you or someone else who has the power should change it back to whatever abby wants..."

I like Panama's idea better. He earned it .... he can earn his way out of it, or conversely it can be a warning to all those that might wish to avoid space-wasters. I don't think calling people by sexist, racist or homophobic titles is right, because there are still scapegoating institutions and efforts in these areas. 

I will make an exception for "stupid white men" - because they seem to be much of the problem. If they get a "spam-master" or "prejudiced hatemonger" or "Waste of Space" title, it won't be until they've been asked a million times not to engage in those activities.

Again, if Abby was man enough to provide his real name, at least there would be some accountability for his actions. If no one else can come up with a way to create some accountability to prevent linkless, sourceless, spam-filled scapegoating, then this very non-dramatic, simple way will have to do.




"you know how easily abby can keep bullshit like this going. Look at his post count...and he's been here for a relatively short amount of time for those posts! Just give him what he wants so he'll stfu about it. "

I still think Panama is more convincing than you on this subject. Abby will never stfu no matter what we do, but at least new people to the forum won't get the idea that all of us think the way he does.
 


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Re: Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Nazis?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813704 
17 Feb 2004 13:23:09
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hey....it stopped posting the pictures up automatically....????? 


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Bayer & Exxon history part 4: Who named the Nazis?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813680 
17 Feb 2004 13:07:45
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www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer

Who named the Nazis - Hitler or IG Farben?

[image]http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/1920a.jpg[/image]
This poster announces a Nazi meeting in Munich in May 1920. Hitler is to speak on the topic "What do we want?" The text below the title reads: "Citizens! Do not believe that the Germany of misfortune and misery, the nation of corruption and usury, the land of Jewish corruption, can be saved by parties that claim to stand on a foundation of facts. Never!" 
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/1920a.jpg

[image]http://images.google.ca/images?q=tbn:85oIDfc6j08J:faculty.virginia.edu/wwii/Hitler,%25201916.jpg[/image]
http://images.google.ca/images?q=tbn:85oIDfc6j08J:faculty.virginia.edu/wwii/Hitler,%25201916.jpg
Hitler in 1916


Aside from calling for a "Fuhrer" and gassing millions, I.G. would set other examples for the Nazis to follow. In 1916, the IG chemist and plant manager Werner Daitz was to write;

"A new type of state socialism is appearing, totally different from that which any of us have dreamed or thought of. Private economic initiative and the private capitalist economy will not be crippled, but will be regimented from the points of view of state socialism in that capital will be concentrated in the national economy and will be directed outwards with uniform impetus It breaks this up into national socialism whose election promise will be: work rather than phrases." (27)

[image]http://library.flawlesslogic.com/nsdap.jpg[/image]
http://library.flawlesslogic.com/nsdap.jpg

Keep in mind, this is at least three years before Hitler added "National Socialist" to the "German Worker's Party" - where the term "Nazi" comes from.

[image]http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/pli03592/index.jpg[/image]
http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/pli03592/index.jpg

 Both Hitler and I.G. were probably tripping off the same Austrian right-wing political vibe, but it seems like I.G. tripped first, doing much to import National Socialism into Germany.

[image]http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/frauen.jpg[/image]
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/frauen.jpg

[image]http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/m/mussolini-horseback.jpg[/image]
http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/m/mussolini-horseback.jpg

To add further clarity, Italian fascist dictator Benito Mussolini would later explain: "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." (28)

[image]http://www.brasscheck.com/heartfield/hf1.jpg[/image]
Der Sinn des Hitlergrusses
 The real meaning of the Hitler salute 

Kleiner Mann bittet um grosse Gaben
 The little man asks for big gifts 

Millionen stehen hinter mir!
 I've got millions standing behind me 
http://www.brasscheck.com/heartfield/hf1.jpg

[image]http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus01.jpg[/image]
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus01.jpg
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus01.htm

[image]http://www.cbgnetwork.com/Ubersicht/Zeitschrift_SWB/SWB04_98/IG-Farben_Geschichte/Bayerolschinken.jpg[/image]
http://www.cbgnetwork.com/Ubersicht/Zeitschrift_SWB/SWB04_98/IG-Farben_Geschichte/Bayerolschinken.jpg

[image]http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus02.jpg[/image]

[image]http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus04.jpg[/image]
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus04.jpg





A first attempt at labor cost reductions

[image]http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus04b.jpg[/image]
 Chairman of the I.G. Farben Board, Carl Duisberg:
 Greeting of the political representatives on the occasion 
 of an I.G. anniversary, September 29, 1933.
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus04b.jpg

[image]http://www.bayer.com/en/bayer/images/history/duisberg.jpg[/image]
http://www.bayer.com/en/bayer/images/history/duisberg.jpg

In September 1916 - one month after consolidating I.G. - Carl Duesburg came up with yet another vision. He proposed that the war ministry "open up the Belgian labor basin." Apparently, sending all of German's best and brightest to the front lines had caused a labor shortage. Less than two months later, the German army began the forced deportation of Belgian workers to German factories. (29) IG indeed gave the Belgians "work rather than phrases" - and rather than wages and freedom, too.

[image]http://www.medicalarchives.jhmi.edu/vbartlett/beltrench100.jpg[/image]
 Belgians entrenched near LaPanne.
http://www.medicalarchives.jhmi.edu/vbartlett/beltrench100.jpg

The Belgian clergy and journalists filled the world's newspapers with the horrors of the enslavement. The US government sent their German counterparts a note about the forced labor, complaining of a "contravention of all precedents." The deported Belgians, now 40,000 strong, refused to work. Faced with worldwide condemnation, the German power structure abandoned their "free-labor" idea (30) at least until they could figure out a way to avoid worldwide condemnation.

[image]http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/march2opt.jpg[/image]
http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/march2opt.jpg

[image]http://www.the-forum.com/posters/images/wwi-74.jpg[/image]
http://www.the-forum.com/posters/images/wwi-74.jpg

[image]http://www.ww1-propaganda-cards.com/images/punch09.jpg[/image]
http://www.ww1-propaganda-cards.com/images/punch09.jpg

Duisberg and fellow war-gas pioneer Fritz Haber both put on fake beards and hid in Switzerland after the war. (31) As it turns out, Duisberg's name never appeared on any list of war criminals - post-war anti-communist sentiments were strong enough to overshadow a serious look at capitalist war-crime sponsorship.

[image]http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/f76_131/index.jpg[/image]
http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/f76_131/index.jpg

[image]http://www.bib.fh-bonn-rhein-sieg.de/kreisbib/themenkisten/grafikenkiste9/stolzenberg.jpg[/image]
http://www.bib.fh-bonn-rhein-sieg.de/kreisbib/themenkisten/grafikenkiste9/stolzenberg.jpg

On February 3rd, 1920, less than six months after receiving his Nobel Prize for Chemistry, Fritz Haber was charged with war crimes. The actual trials, taking place the next year, were a joke. No major criminals were tried, and Haber's name was dropped from the list before testimony began. 


[image]http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/speer.jpg[/image]
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/speer.jpg

During the WW2 Nuremberg war-crimes trials, defendant Albert Speer lamented that the failure of the war crimes trials in WW1 only encouraged the criminals to try again. (32)


[image]http://www.pharo.com/20th_century_mysteries/death_of_rudolf_hess/images/mmrh56T_hess_nuremburg_war_crimes.jpg[/image]
http://www.pharo.com/20th_century_mysteries/death_of_rudolf_hess/images/mmrh56T_hess_nuremburg_war_crimes.jpg


(27) Sasuly, Richard, "IG Farben," 1947, Boni & Gaer, p. 53

(28) Benito Mussolini, "What is fascism?" - Encyclopedia Intaliana, 1932, Giovanni Gentile

(29) "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," p. 29

(30) ibid, pp. 29-30

(31) "A Higher Form of Killing," p. 32. See also "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," p. 36

(32) "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," pp. 45-46
 
 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813677 
17 Feb 2004 13:05:51
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Fak. Ran out of "picture" juice. 

Gotta start a new Thread - you gotta see these pics! 

This is the history of the official "competition" for our med pot economy! 


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Terrorism and Drug War
BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZIs?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813672 
17 Feb 2004 13:03:26
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www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer

Who named the Nazis - Hitler or I.G. Farben?

[image]http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/1920a.jpg[/image]
This poster announces a Nazi meeting in Munich in May 1920. Hitler is to speak on the topic "What do we want?" The text below the title reads: "Citizens! Do not believe that the Germany of misfortune and misery, the nation of corruption and usury, the land of Jewish corruption, can be saved by parties that claim to stand on a foundation of facts. Never!" 
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/1920a.jpg

[image]http://images.google.ca/images?q=tbn:85oIDfc6j08J:faculty.virginia.edu/wwii/Hitler,%25201916.jpg[/image]
http://images.google.ca/images?q=tbn:85oIDfc6j08J:faculty.virginia.edu/wwii/Hitler,%25201916.jpg
Hitler in 1916


Aside from calling for a "Fuhrer" and gassing millions, I.G. would set other examples for the Nazis to follow. In 1916, the IG chemist and plant manager Werner Daitz was to write;

"A new type of state socialism is appearing, totally different from that which any of us have dreamed or thought of. Private economic initiative and the private capitalist economy will not be crippled, but will be regimented from the points of view of state socialism in that capital will be concentrated in the national economy and will be directed outwards with uniform impetus It breaks this up into national socialism whose election promise will be: work rather than phrases." (27)

[image]http://library.flawlesslogic.com/nsdap.jpg[/image]
http://library.flawlesslogic.com/nsdap.jpg

Keep in mind, this is at least three years before Hitler added "National Socialist" to the "German Worker's Party" - where the term "Nazi" comes from.

[image]http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/pli03592/index.jpg[/image]
http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/pli03592/index.jpg

 Both Hitler and I.G. were probably tripping off the same Austrian right-wing political vibe, but it seems like I.G. tripped first, doing much to import National Socialism into Germany.

[image]http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/frauen.jpg[/image]
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/frauen.jpg

[image]http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/m/mussolini-horseback.jpg[/image]
http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/m/mussolini-horseback.jpg

To add further clarity, Italian fascist dictator Benito Mussolini would later explain: "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." (28)

[image]http://www.brasscheck.com/heartfield/hf1.jpg[/image]
Der Sinn des Hitlergrusses
 The real meaning of the Hitler salute 

Kleiner Mann bittet um grosse Gaben
 The little man asks for big gifts 

Millionen stehen hinter mir!
 I've got millions standing behind me 
http://www.brasscheck.com/heartfield/hf1.jpg

[image]http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus01.jpg[/image]
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus01.jpg
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus01.htm

[image]http://www.cbgnetwork.com/Ubersicht/Zeitschrift_SWB/SWB04_98/IG-Farben_Geschichte/Bayerolschinken.jpg[/image]
http://www.cbgnetwork.com/Ubersicht/Zeitschrift_SWB/SWB04_98/IG-Farben_Geschichte/Bayerolschinken.jpg

[image]http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus02.jpg[/image]

[image]http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus04.jpg[/image]
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus04.jpg





A first attempt at labor cost reductions

[image]http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus04b.jpg[/image]
 Chairman of the I.G. Farben Board, Carl Duisberg:
 Greeting of the political representatives on the occasion 
 of an I.G. anniversary, September 29, 1933.
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus04b.jpg

[image]http://www.bayer.com/en/bayer/images/history/duisberg.jpg[/image]
http://www.bayer.com/en/bayer/images/history/duisberg.jpg

In September 1916 - one month after consolidating I.G. - Carl Duesburg came up with yet another vision. He proposed that the war ministry "open up the Belgian labor basin." Apparently, sending all of German's best and brightest to the front lines had caused a labor shortage. Less than two months later, the German army began the forced deportation of Belgian workers to German factories. (29) IG indeed gave the Belgians "work rather than phrases" - and rather than wages and freedom, too.

[image]http://www.medicalarchives.jhmi.edu/vbartlett/beltrench100.jpg[/image]
 Belgians entrenched near LaPanne.
http://www.medicalarchives.jhmi.edu/vbartlett/beltrench100.jpg

The Belgian clergy and journalists filled the world's newspapers with the horrors of the enslavement. The US government sent their German counterparts a note about the forced labor, complaining of a "contravention of all precedents." The deported Belgians, now 40,000 strong, refused to work. Faced with worldwide condemnation, the German power structure abandoned their "free-labor" idea (30) at least until they could figure out a way to avoid worldwide condemnation.

[image]http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/march2opt.jpg[/image]
http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/march2opt.jpg

[image]http://www.the-forum.com/posters/images/wwi-74.jpg[/image]
http://www.the-forum.com/posters/images/wwi-74.jpg

[image]http://www.ww1-propaganda-cards.com/images/punch09.jpg[/image]
http://www.ww1-propaganda-cards.com/images/punch09.jpg

Duisberg and fellow war-gas pioneer Fritz Haber both put on fake beards and hid in Switzerland after the war. (31) As it turns out, Duisberg's name never appeared on any list of war criminals - post-war anti-communist sentiments were strong enough to overshadow a serious look at capitalist war-crime sponsorship.

[image]http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/f76_131/index.jpg[/image]
http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/f76_131/index.jpg

[image]http://www.bib.fh-bonn-rhein-sieg.de/kreisbib/themenkisten/grafikenkiste9/stolzenberg.jpg[/image]
http://www.bib.fh-bonn-rhein-sieg.de/kreisbib/themenkisten/grafikenkiste9/stolzenberg.jpg

On February 3rd, 1920, less than six months after receiving his Nobel Prize for Chemistry, Fritz Haber was charged with war crimes. The actual trials, taking place the next year, were a joke. No major criminals were tried, and Haber's name was dropped from the list before testimony began. 


[image]http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/speer.jpg[/image]
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/speer.jpg

During the WW2 Nuremberg war-crimes trials, defendant Albert Speer lamented that the failure of the war crimes trials in WW1 only encouraged the criminals to try again. (32)


[image]http://www.pharo.com/20th_century_mysteries/death_of_rudolf_hess/images/mmrh56T_hess_nuremburg_war_crimes.jpg[/image]
http://www.pharo.com/20th_century_mysteries/death_of_rudolf_hess/images/mmrh56T_hess_nuremburg_war_crimes.jpg


(27) Sasuly, Richard, "IG Farben," 1947, Boni & Gaer, p. 53

(28) Benito Mussolini, "What is fascism?" - Encyclopedia Intaliana, 1932, Giovanni Gentile

(29) "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," p. 29

(30) ibid, pp. 29-30

(31) "A Higher Form of Killing," p. 32. See also "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," p. 36

(32) "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," pp. 45-46
 
 


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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI's?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813669 
17 Feb 2004 13:00:22
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One more bump for good measure! 


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Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI's?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813664 
17 Feb 2004 12:57:19
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Gotta bump this sucker up to a new set of pages so you can see all the photos! 


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Terrorism and Drug War
BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI's?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813659 
17 Feb 2004 12:52:54
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www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer

Who named the Nazis - Hitler or IG Farben?

[image]http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/1920a.jpg[/image]
This poster announces a Nazi meeting in Munich in May 1920. Hitler is to speak on the topic "What do we want?" The text below the title reads: "Citizens! Do not believe that the Germany of misfortune and misery, the nation of corruption and usury, the land of Jewish corruption, can be saved by parties that claim to stand on a foundation of facts. Never!" 
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/1920a.jpg

[image]http://images.google.ca/images?q=tbn:85oIDfc6j08J:faculty.virginia.edu/wwii/Hitler,%25201916.jpg[/image]
http://images.google.ca/images?q=tbn:85oIDfc6j08J:faculty.virginia.edu/wwii/Hitler,%25201916.jpg
Hitler in 1916


Aside from calling for a "Fuhrer" and gassing millions, I.G. would set other examples for the Nazis to follow. In 1916, the IG chemist and plant manager Werner Daitz was to write;

"A new type of state socialism is appearing, totally different from that which any of us have dreamed or thought of. Private economic initiative and the private capitalist economy will not be crippled, but will be regimented from the points of view of state socialism in that capital will be concentrated in the national economy and will be directed outwards with uniform impetus It breaks this up into national socialism whose election promise will be: work rather than phrases." (27)

[image]http://library.flawlesslogic.com/nsdap.jpg[/image]
http://library.flawlesslogic.com/nsdap.jpg

Keep in mind, this is at least three years before Hitler added "National Socialist" to the "German Worker's Party" - where the term "Nazi" comes from.

[image]http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/pli03592/index.jpg[/image]
http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/pli03592/index.jpg

 Both Hitler and I.G. were probably tripping off the same Austrian right-wing political vibe, but it seems like I.G. tripped first, doing much to import National Socialism into Germany.

[image]http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/frauen.jpg[/image]
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/frauen.jpg

[image]http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/m/mussolini-horseback.jpg[/image]
http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/m/mussolini-horseback.jpg

To add further clarity, Italian fascist dictator Benito Mussolini would later explain: "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." (28)

[image]http://www.brasscheck.com/heartfield/hf1.jpg[/image]
Der Sinn des Hitlergrusses
 The real meaning of the Hitler salute 

Kleiner Mann bittet um grosse Gaben
 The little man asks for big gifts 

Millionen stehen hinter mir!
 I've got millions standing behind me 
http://www.brasscheck.com/heartfield/hf1.jpg

[image]http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus01.jpg[/image]
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus01.jpg
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus01.htm

[image]http://www.cbgnetwork.com/Ubersicht/Zeitschrift_SWB/SWB04_98/IG-Farben_Geschichte/Bayerolschinken.jpg[/image]
http://www.cbgnetwork.com/Ubersicht/Zeitschrift_SWB/SWB04_98/IG-Farben_Geschichte/Bayerolschinken.jpg

[image]http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus02.jpg[/image]

[image]http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus04.jpg[/image]
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus04.jpg





A first attempt at labor cost reductions

[image]http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus04b.jpg[/image]
 Chairman of the I.G. Farben Board, Carl Duisberg:
 Greeting of the political representatives on the occasion 
 of an I.G. anniversary, September 29, 1933.
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/open_letters/omgus/omgus_img/ombus04b.jpg

[image]http://www.bayer.com/en/bayer/images/history/duisberg.jpg[/image]
http://www.bayer.com/en/bayer/images/history/duisberg.jpg

In September 1916 - one month after consolidating I.G. - Carl Duesburg came up with yet another vision. He proposed that the war ministry "open up the Belgian labor basin." Apparently, sending all of German's best and brightest to the front lines had caused a labor shortage. Less than two months later, the German army began the forced deportation of Belgian workers to German factories. (29) IG indeed gave the Belgians "work rather than phrases" - and rather than wages and freedom, too.

[image]http://www.medicalarchives.jhmi.edu/vbartlett/beltrench100.jpg[/image]
 Belgians entrenched near LaPanne.
http://www.medicalarchives.jhmi.edu/vbartlett/beltrench100.jpg

The Belgian clergy and journalists filled the world's newspapers with the horrors of the enslavement. The US government sent their German counterparts a note about the forced labor, complaining of a "contravention of all precedents." The deported Belgians, now 40,000 strong, refused to work. Faced with worldwide condemnation, the German power structure abandoned their "free-labor" idea (30) at least until they could figure out a way to avoid worldwide condemnation.

[image]http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/march2opt.jpg[/image]
http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/march2opt.jpg

[image]http://www.the-forum.com/posters/images/wwi-74.jpg[/image]
http://www.the-forum.com/posters/images/wwi-74.jpg

[image]http://www.ww1-propaganda-cards.com/images/punch09.jpg[/image]
http://www.ww1-propaganda-cards.com/images/punch09.jpg

Duisberg and fellow war-gas pioneer Fritz Haber both put on fake beards and hid in Switzerland after the war. (31) As it turns out, Duisberg's name never appeared on any list of war criminals - post-war anti-communist sentiments were strong enough to overshadow a serious look at capitalist war-crime sponsorship.

[image]http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/f76_131/index.jpg[/image]
http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/f76_131/index.jpg

[image]http://www.bib.fh-bonn-rhein-sieg.de/kreisbib/themenkisten/grafikenkiste9/stolzenberg.jpg[/image]
http://www.bib.fh-bonn-rhein-sieg.de/kreisbib/themenkisten/grafikenkiste9/stolzenberg.jpg

On February 3rd, 1920, less than six months after receiving his Nobel Prize for Chemistry, Fritz Haber was charged with war crimes. The actual trials, taking place the next year, were a joke. No major criminals were tried, and Haber's name was dropped from the list before testimony began. 


[image]http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/speer.jpg[/image]
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/speer.jpg

During the WW2 Nuremberg war-crimes trials, defendant Albert Speer lamented that the failure of the war crimes trials in WW1 only encouraged the criminals to try again. (32)


[image]http://www.pharo.com/20th_century_mysteries/death_of_rudolf_hess/images/mmrh56T_hess_nuremburg_war_crimes.jpg[/image]
http://www.pharo.com/20th_century_mysteries/death_of_rudolf_hess/images/mmrh56T_hess_nuremburg_war_crimes.jpg


(27) Sasuly, Richard, "IG Farben," 1947, Boni & Gaer, p. 53

(28) Benito Mussolini, "What is fascism?" - Encyclopedia Intaliana, 1932, Giovanni Gentile

(29) "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," p. 29

(30) ibid, pp. 29-30

(31) "A Higher Form of Killing," p. 32. See also "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," p. 36

(32) "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," pp. 45-46
 


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Current News and Events
Re: Marijuana bill targets trafficking
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813584 
17 Feb 2004 10:50:52
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"The legal status is that pot is still not legal in Holland. Yet you can buy it everywhere. Get my point? C-10 can lead to tolerance."


Sorry. History proves otherwise. 

There are two decrims: Dutch-style (no punishment) and U.S.-style (fines and other punishment). Canada's decrim is "U.S."-style and rather heavy punishments too (worse than Australia). 

U.S.-style decrim has NEVER led to cafes. Only "no punishment" decrim would take us that direction - which C-10 is NOT.



  


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Counter-Counterspin
Re: Good quotes
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813376 
17 Feb 2004 02:35:29
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Jefferson made all this crystal clear in his Notes on
Virginia.  

"Were the government to prescribe to us our medicine
and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our
souls are now. Thus in France the emetic was once
forbidden as a medicine, and the potato as an article
of food. Government is just as infallible,[sic] too,
when it fixes systems in physics. Galileo was sent to
the Inquisition for affirming that the earth was a
sphere.... It is error alone which needs the support
of government. Truth can stand by itself." --Thomas
Jefferson--

"The care of every man's soul belongs to himself. But
what if he neglect the care of it? Well what if he
neglect the care of his health or his estate, which
more nearly relate to the state? Will the magistrate
make a law that he not be poor or sick? Laws provide
against injury from others; but not from ourselves.
God himself will not save men against their wills."
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Current News and Events
Justice Defiled Book Signing Feb 28 2pm - Chapters
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813375 
17 Feb 2004 02:31:39
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Justice Defiled Book Signing Feb 28 2pm Chapters 110 Bloor West

KEY PORTER BOOKS, 70 The Esplanade, Toronto, Ontario  (416)862-7777
 
BLOOR CHAPTERS, 110 Bloor Street West, Toronto, Ontario  (416)920-9299 
 
You are invited to hear author Alan Young's talk, "Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll" on February 28, 2:00pm at Chapters 110 Bloor West.   Recently, Key Porter Books published Justice Defiled: Perverts, Potheads, Serial Killers and Lawyers, Professor Young's first literary non-fiction hardcover work.  The sales have been swift and the response has been enthusiastic (and sometimes controversial) all across Canada.  From Macleans:  "Passion is certainly the defining emotion of Alan Young's Justice Defiled...a core of moral truth in his description of a dysfunctional [criminal justice] system".  The Toronto Star: "Young rips apart the entire 'criminal justice industrial complex' ".  The Globe and Mail: "...an important self-help message for a society conditioned to dial 911 in search of solutions".  The Criminal Lawyers' Association Newsletter editorial states, "Alan Young, Professor, member of the profession is a smart guy.  Nevertheless, his book is a disgrace to the professon".  Disgrace or wake-up call?  We invite you to decide for yourself.  Listen to Alan Young, a criminal defence lawyer, victims rights, gay rights, marijuana advocate and Law Professor entertain and explain some of the bizarre ways that Canada decides what is a crime and who will be punished and how this affects you and me. 
 
Before the authors' speech, make sure you enter your name in the ballot box near the authors' table for the opportunity to win a $100 Chapters gift certificate and a hard cover copy of Justice Defiled.  The draw will take place at the end of the authors' speech and before the book signing.  The store may set up a ballot box previous to Feb. 28, but you must physically be present at the draw to receive your prize if your name is drawn (no ballot box stuffing, please).  See you soon! 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: A debate on moderators changing personal title
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813373 
17 Feb 2004 02:20:02
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 "hey david no ones going to listen to you 
you treat all the people here like garbage"

I only make an effort to offend the KKKut and Pasters. If others get offended by that, I think I can still live with myself.

I stand by every word I write. Put my real name behind it, too.






"your the insensitive jerk that tries to push
your opinon on others..."

At least my opinions are based upon something a little more reliable than David Duke and "the Protocols of Zion". People can take them or leave them, but at least they can check on them. 

You - you wouldn't know a sourced bit of evidence if it bit you on the ass. So you hit us with racist, sexist homophobic opinions from far-rightwing christian extremists - anyone - so long as they are fighting the mysterious zionist conspiracy that - unlike all that I have mentioned and argued about (the large corporations and the CIA) - have managed to avoid leaving any sort of paper trail entirely.

The polite word for what you are is "disingenuine". I'll refrain from futher discriptive words for fear of being called "insensitve" again.





"sure i have my opinion
but thats not all i do around here like yourself"

Hmmm....I go to supreme court, organize rallies, write articles, start fert company, do interviews, do comic books, do potshot, make and put up posters, make banners, investigate quality control techniques and help create standards .... and - according to you (and we'll just have to take your word for it) you grow for sick people and amuse a few folks. 

Basically, you offer me the choice of ignoring you - and letting the Terrorism and Drug war  forum turn into the "Abby's opinions about the jews" forum, or challenging you, hoping to keep you to higher debate standards than the Nazi's were kept.

Sorry, buddy, but I'll resist liars from any time and any place picking on scapegoats to distract from the real truth: The worst criminals look the most like the guys who rule the world - and they ain't got big noses and live in israel! The true rulers of the world are very, very white and they leave a paper trail that - if you care about the truth at all - you can dispute with counter evidence if you like. 

The fact that you ignore actual verifiable history (www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer) in favor of your "opinion evidence" makes it sooooooooo hard to take your please of "sincerity" seriously. If you were sincere in your quest for the truth, you would at least attempt to explain-away my research. Instead you dismiss it with snide remarks - easy to do but unconvincing to those interested in the truth.

 


"....i have a sense of humour somthing you will never 
ever have..."

Yes, you're a regular Lenny Bruce, Abby!  Keep it up! You can always come out of retirement and become the best anti-zionist stand up comic the world has ever seen!





"as for me being a nazi thats the dumbest
thing youll ever say.."

If you're not a Nazi, then why do you sound so much like one? 

Goose-steps like a duck....
  


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Counter-Counterspin
Re: Decrim sucks - here's why!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813245 
16 Feb 2004 23:30:58
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I'm thinking of turning this post into a source of information on a poster - and to direct people to this link from the poster. Is it missing anything?

Do any other websites wanna participate?

 


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Counter-Counterspin
Re: Dubious Science - online counterspin project!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813242 
16 Feb 2004 23:29:10
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 "You advocate of some of the most dubious science ever fantasized... nuttier science than the stuff crammed down throats by Trofim Lysenko himself! "
 
I try to back up everything I say. Give me an example of something nutty I've argued recently.....I have no idea what you're talking about. 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Israeli involvement in 9/11
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813238 
16 Feb 2004 23:25:53
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Nice link, Abby. Just like all your other sources - no notes, no sources, no facts, just opinions. And really, really, OLD opinions at that:

"The Jewish religion is that of a vengeful tribal god."
http://www.giwersworld.org/911/goldstein.phtml

Sorry, again, to be historical, it requires sources and notes and ways to check the facts to see if they are true. You're just posting some fuct up opinions, opinons without sources - you'll have to do better than that to stop being a space-waster.

 


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Current News and Events
Re: Marijuana bill targets trafficking
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813224 
16 Feb 2004 23:13:19
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"If the NDP get into a minority government they are not going to spend their limited political capital on pot. They have some longstanding lefty policies and favours to attend to."

You mean like farmers and workers and the unemployed and environmentalists? Or do you mean the anti-coporate, anti-war justice activits?

 Cannabis, hemp, marijuana hemp! Bingo! All the campaign promises kept in one swift move! Cannabis IS a left-wing issue with Marc Emery in there as the exception that proves the rule.




"Pot will be promised but not actioned. I think it would be naive to think otherwise, sorry all newly converted NDP lovers."

I disagree. Jack Layton, unlike all who came before, is an OCCATIONAL smoker! Very unlikely that he will settle for paying fines. I also think that because of their good stand on everything and their brave stand against the Iraq war and the Drug war, they'll get more votes than ever before.

The young and the intelligent hold off from voting until there's a real choice - and that's THIS election!


  


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Current News and Events
Re: Bill c-38.  Rumour. /Swerve
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813214 
16 Feb 2004 23:03:26
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Thank you for holding out for full legalization - I think it's the only way to get anywhere.

As for "net widening", I wasn't talking growing, I was talking how many more people will be punished under decrim than "no change". I feel people aren't getting fined as much as they will be, nor are they going to jail as much as they would be (you can be put in jail for unpaid fines).

 And what if you get fined, pay the fine, and find out that the customs agent knows you're lying about not getting a fine - that's a serious offence! The cops share info all the time - there's no guarantee that some amendment to "prevent sharing info" would actually work!



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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: A debate on moderators changing personal title
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813154 
16 Feb 2004 21:45:01
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"why do you not take the people's advice and stop wasting space with your paranoid delusions of the cia..."

Unlike you, I provide links for my paranoia. And "Covert Action" is more reputable than Irving or your other "Rothschildophobes".



http://www.eco-action.org/dod/no9/cointelpro.jpg
http://www.eco-action.org/dod/no9/panthers.htm


http://home.fuse.net/raphic/COIcova.jpg


http://www.turning.ca/images/churchill-cointelpro-papers.jpg


http://www.truecrimeink.com/images/cointpb.jpg





"what are you going to do about the cia beat them up.."

I'll just use this opportunity to provide some links. 

Operation Chaos

http://www.serendipity.li/cia/lyon.html

http://www.konformist.com/rocknroll/chaos.htm

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA Hits/CHAOS_CIAHits.html



Cointelpro

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/cointel.htm

http://www.derechos.net/paulwolf/cointelpropapers/coinwcar3.htm

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/COINTELPRO/cointelpro.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/COINTELPRO/gjp3.html

http://www.monitor.net/monitor/9905a/jbcointelpro.html

http://www.thetalkingdrum.com/cointelpro.html

Cointelpro today:

http://www.judibari.org/America's_Secret_Police.html


I did a show on them for Pot TV. I might write an article too.

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2259.html







"Skull & Bones i don't care about the poppets bush or kerry
its the poppet masters that play the strings"

Skull & Bones is made up of American Bankers and American Wall St. folks - not israeli.....AMERICANS. They're the corporate elite pulling the strings.






"and if they want to open some coffee shops and make some money good for them"

Sorry, you lost me again. Who's opening up a cafe .... a Skull & Bones member?




  


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: A debate on moderators changing personal title
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813148 
16 Feb 2004 21:39:47
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"I am newgrowboy. Some mod changed my profile to say " A faggot like his father"

I disagree with that. I don't think name titles themselves should be abusive or inaccurate. But with Abby I feel he got what he deserved. 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: A debate on moderators changing personal titles
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813144 
16 Feb 2004 21:37:33
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Operation Chaos

http://www.serendipity.li/cia/lyon.html

http://www.konformist.com/rocknroll/chaos.htm

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA Hits/CHAOS_CIAHits.html



Cointelpro

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/cointel.htm

http://www.derechos.net/paulwolf/cointelpropapers/coinwcar3.htm

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/COINTELPRO/cointelpro.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/COINTELPRO/gjp3.html

http://www.monitor.net/monitor/9905a/jbcointelpro.html

http://www.thetalkingdrum.com/cointelpro.html

Cointelpro today:

http://www.judibari.org/America's_Secret_Police.html






The above should tell you that we should expect some disruptive forces coming in here sooner or later. Abby claims he's retired and others have pointed out he's been helpful. That's all true. But Abby likes to fill the terror/drug war forum with tonnes of material that Hitler used to put folks like myself, my girlfriend and my dad's side of the family in the camps. That may not be a problem for others, but I feel some slight alteration to Abby's reputation is in order - at least until he learns to cut and paste the links along with his info.



I really wish he wouldn't waste so much space with unsubstatiated and un-sourced cut-and-paste anti-jew BS but he's been very unresponsive to that. Maybe he's being paid to be disruptive. Maybe he's just an insensitive jerk. We here in these forums should be ready with a response either way. We want everyone to feel welcome, even the jews.

I'm all for controversial debate, but notice how I bother to back everything up? It's a common thing to "front" and pretend to have information, but if you come to these forums, one shouldn't be allowed to just cut and paste from every kkk site around and leave it all here. Israel's government is doing bad things, but so is every other government - no one is lying or spamming about the Bushes or WASPS or Whites, Blacks or any other group. Just the jews. Again. Sigh.

And it's not even a new lie! It's the same old ones! Jewish Banking Cabal. You would think that if it was around for a hundred years, they could come up with something better than unsubstatiated boasts from Rothschild and a few books that publishers wouldn't dare put their names to. That's all the evidence we've heard so far that the jews were behind all the crimes of the world .... and folks this is one half-jew full-historian who isn't convinced.

It would be alright if at least he provided the links..... but 9 times out of ten it's without a link! It's like he's ashamed of the sources of his opinions! An anonymous man with anonimous sources making unsubstatiated claims ... and everyone's all sick and concerned about his feelings!

Need I remind everyone here that the folks that brought you the drugwar also brought you the holocaust. If we don't learn from our mistakes of the past (we have an obligation to tell the truth and expose lies - which is what the title change does) then won't we be at risk in the future.

If Hitler was required to back up his claim of an international banking conspiracy or he would be forever branded a space waster, I'm sure he would be unable to come up with anything other than "the protocols of the elders of zion" and then you could trace back to the publisher who wrote it, and he would have been exposed early as a sham. But there was no accoutability in the arena of ideas that Hitler operated within, and there is currently no accountability to space-wasters like Abby in these forums.

The "karmic-title change" could be the accountability - the physical manifestation of a reputation - that this forum needs to operate more smoothly.

Unless spewing abuse and lies without end are all "rights to be protected from any response whatsoever"?

I don't think my credability is suffering because 1) I never accused him of being "paid to be disruptive", I just said it was possible ... he sure acts as if his only goal is disruption, 2) We should have something to say to those who get tired of seeing his unsubstantiated BS posts pile up, 3) reputation should be earned just by volume of posts but also by their quality, and 4) if you don't know anything about cointelpro or operation chaos, it will be my fault for underestimating the amount of disruption that could go on if we don't "assholeproof" ourselves now, and it will be your bad rep to suggest that I'm crazy before you check out the links provided above. 

It's not make believe, buddy, it's American History 101.
  


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: A debate on moderators changing personal titles
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813113 
16 Feb 2004 21:01:58
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Your "hate speech" forum would encourage just that.

A "karma title", however, discourages abusive and distracting posts without censorship. There is no reason to fear it, as it would reduce the amount of banning or censoring going on.

You arn't a moderator and you arn't getting an endless supply of complaints about abusive - or in Abby's case an "anti-jew" pretending to be a "anti-israeli" pretending to be an "anti-zionist" pretending to be an "anti-christian-zionist". This isn't theholocaustdidnthappen.com, and we should at least take these tiny steps from preventing it from becoming theholocaustdidnthappen.com.

 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: A debate on moderators changing personal title
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813104 
16 Feb 2004 20:56:07
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"holy fuck you really are a paranoid idiot..do you rally think the cia gives a fuck about you or anyone else at cc "

CIA controls both dissent and drug money. They were created by the Brown Brothers Harrimen/Skull & Bones banking group, and have a vested interest in cotrolling drug profits. The pot legalizers are the greatest threat to their prohibition-dependent business, and cannabis cafes would be the greatest source of non-corporate culture. Yes, the CIA and every other tool of the evil empire is interested in what goes on here.

Let me put it in pure dollar terms. People spend 364 billion on pills - worldwide. I'm guessing they spend a few hundred million more on caffeine, tobacco and alcohol. Cannabis re-legalization will take a healthy bite out of all those profits - coke and smack too. Say 300, maybe 400 (maybe more) of that "hard drug" money will flow into the hands of a million or two cafe owners, compassion club dealers and growers. Maybe 10 million. Maybe more. Right now, that 900 million in "non-cannabis drugs" flows into the hands of a few hundred white guys in suits, and their laboratory lackies. Rip off.

The CIA controls the worlds illegal drug trade, and keeps the illegal and legal hard drugs safe from their main competitor - cannabis. Face it, it's their job to know what's happening in the pot activist world - even these forums.






"im a 44 year old retired man.. that grows pot for the sick and dying...i smoke pot and i contribute to marc emery..if he wants my name ill give it to him...but not a paranoid twit such as yourself..Marc Emery Direct Marijuana Seeds knows me well..thats all that matters.."

If you want to prove your sincerity, why not take people's advice and stop wasting space? If you just kept your posts to things you can provide links to, and you didn't share your "opinions" and talk about them as fact unless you provided sources - I'm sure none of us would consider you a space-waster any more - even those of us who disagreed with you. Basically, providing links is a way you can prove you are really being sincere, instead of a hateful spam artist.






"allso your saying 99.9 percent of the users at this forum 
are not real people..."

Look, "Cointelpro" and "Operation Chaos" really existed - look them up in Google or at the library, there's tonnes of info on them - and the forum should be ready in case someone just came in here to be abusive and disruptive and distracting - like you appear to be doing for free ..... 24-7-365.


"why don't you make a post and tell all the users there not real people..yull be a one star general in no time ...."

If you are a real person, then start posting like a real person.

If you have information to share, then share it! But please provide the link, too. I've asked you a million times and you hardly ever do it.






  


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Moderator Discussion
Re: Stealthguy
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 813076 
16 Feb 2004 20:36:08
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I say we don't ban anyone under any circumstances.

I do feel, however, that titles are kind of like someone's reputation. They may serve as both a reward and a gentile punishment (perhaps a temporary punishment) for unwanted behavior. 

For example, if someone is abusive, before banning them, perhaps they could be given an "abusive" title and told to stop personalizing the issue. Perhaps that might have worked for Kiwi. Remember Kiwi?

If someone is being wasteful with space (I'll argue that Abby does that more often than not), he can be so titled (as someone who wasn't me must have already done to him).

I would say that hateful people should be reminded not to be so hateful - regardless of the target. Say after 10 hate-filled posts in a row, you get that for a title.

We could do that with every unwanted behavior until the forum is cannabo/drugwar centric and abuse free. If we limit it to those two concerns, I don't see how it can be argued that our interference is not responsibility-related.

I started a debate on the issue in "Terrorism and Drug war", and I'm of course interested in the mod views.....wadaya think of both "custom" titles and "bad rep" titles?

 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: A debate on moderators changing personal title
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812966 
16 Feb 2004 19:26:35
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"..but unfortunatly the war on terror is mainly 
about israel and international bankers that make money off the drug war.."

Again, if you had one credible bit of information that pointed to israel as the "those making money off the drug war" - post it up here now. You go on and on, but you never provide any facts. No sources. No books. If there's a website, you cut and paste with no link. 

Face it - you're the friggin emperor of unsubstantiated psudofacts, non-facts, myths and outright lies.




"so i am really at the unseen roots of the drug war that davids tunnel vision cannot see...but he may understand, and for that very reason david sees me as a threat to his own perverted drug war that was created in his own mind..eg=[the nazis created the drug war and the mess the world is in today]"

Actually, if you care to read what I have written on the subject, it is large drug/fuel companies that fund both the Nazis and the drugwar. Get it straight.

www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer

http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/issue.cgi?num=50





  


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: A debate on moderators changing personal title
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812954 
16 Feb 2004 19:19:43
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Also, unlike the past and future projects of giant chemical companies, it doesn't really matter what your title is. 

Are you done wasting space - Wastespacecadabra? I tried to find your last pot post but gave up after page 20 of your post archive. People tell me you post grow information but I've never seen any. 

I think the moderator nailed you with the perfect nick-name and you just don't like the news.

 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: A debate on moderators changing personal titles
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812940 
16 Feb 2004 19:15:06
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"Despite on how you judge Abby's posting content, i don't care if you find it worthless, amazing, or plain garbage, you shouldn't be changing his title in a manner that would be insulting to him."

So what you're saying is that a person's reputation should never be tarnished, no matter what they do?

Or are you saying that moderators cannot be entrusted with the power to change people's title - in case they get it wrong?



 "Mods should moderate and not let their personal conflicts get in the way of the job."

But how do you "moderate" someone who never posts any pot posts, and, apart from his reports on israel, never posts any truthful posts? What do you do with "actual" space-wasters, pretending for a moment Abby isn't one?






" Giving Abby a "waste of space" title is uncalled for even if thats what you think he is."

I would sure like to be able to dissuade the waste of space and contextualize those who would continue to waste space even after they've been asked nicely not to a million times over. Can you suggest a less intrusive way?




 

"Changing personal info to insults..."

Firstly, Abby's not a real person. If he actually put his real name and real reputation out there, you might have a point. But for all we know, "Abby" might be a construct of six or seven people on a "harrassment" assignment for the CIA or FBI similar to "Cointelpro" and "Operation Chaos" in the 1960's. Hard to say for sure - when you check back it seems like he's ALWAYS on the computer (he has more posts than anyone else - it's hard to understand where he's getting the money to live when he's always here) and he almost NEVER posts about pot. He could also be a welfare-boy or stay-at-home mama's boy, that's true too. What is plain is that he's not helping anyone and because he so seldom provides links to what he's arguing I feel he's not being sincere.

 



"... toward the person as in Newgrowboys case is wrong as well."

I'm unfamiliar with that case. What are you talking about?





 "Thats not moderating, thats using your power to have an upperhand over an individual you don't get along with."

I have no idea what you're talking about.




 "I'm not pointing fingers at all the mods here, but the ones that are responsible for these actions should really take a step back and reflect on their actions. They are no better than someone who post under an anon name to insult others without retaliation."

You mean what Abby does all the time? Until someone can come up with a better way to discourage space-wasting and/or unsubstatiated prejudiced bile, I think it's very apropo. If Abby can go a week without posting unsubstatiated info, I'll ask all the moderators if there are any objections to changing his title back to whatever he wants. 

But I don't think he has it in him, quite frankly.


 


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Socializing lounge
Re: Who is Abby?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812877 
16 Feb 2004 18:26:48
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I don't use "sock-puppets" or fake names on this forum. I only post under davidmalmolevine and that's it. Also, dispite what "aint-a-cadaver" has whined, I never changed his title.

I just laughed when it happened. Finally, a gentile way to remind someone to post pot-related (or at least truth-related) posts.

 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: A debate on moderators changing personal titles
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812863 
16 Feb 2004 18:12:46
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"You disgust me."

Why? Because I demand accountability from the posters in these forums?

When you go out into the real world and shout lies about the jews, you must be brave and put your real name out. Here you can pretend to be "hocus pocus" or "shazam" or any majic word you want to be - but you have no accountability.

The moderators, interested in the forums having a reputation for incouraging discussions on things that can be verified (instead of old scapegoats to be villified), have created a manifestation of a "bad reputation" in the form of title change.

No censorship - thus a chance to be proved wrong is there and the chance for others to learn from the mistakes or successes of the "radical debator" - but at the same time that censorship is avoided, accountability is created for people who, by every means imaginable, just waste space.

If this was "israelwarcrime.com", then Abby's research might be appreciated. But this is cannabis culture. The things I post - including my history of chemical drug companies - have at least SOMETHING to do with cannabis. Not so of ANYTHING Abby posts. I challenge someone to find the last pot post (or even last DRUG post) Abby has posted up. You'll be looking a long time .....

If I disgust you because I want the anons in here to suffer both bad and good karma when they deserve it - tough titty. Better a name change once in a while then a constant stream of unsubstantiated, genocide-causing, unchallenged lies.
 
Those titles are our reputations - and just like the real world, they must be earned not through volume, but through respect and co-operation with others.

If Abby was sincere in his quest for the truth about banking and such, he would provide links and sources and not be so .... so angry. But he doesn't provide links most of the time because his sources are so sketchy. Abby isn't sincere.

 


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Current News and Events
Re: "Kill the Bill" - Direct Action committee?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812826 
16 Feb 2004 17:50:20
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Wicked - coast to coast coverage. Now we just need someone in Ottawa to really put the pressure on.

As well, is the info in the "counter-counterspin" forum on "Descrim" OK? Should we put it up somewhere else? Perhaps more than one "contact website" would make us less prone to attack .... yes?

 


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Current News and Events
Re: Bill c-38.  Rumour. /Swerve
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812632 
16 Feb 2004 15:30:10
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Those Justice Department recommendations sound reasonable.

But can you give us an example in recent history (or any history) of governments doing what is reasonable with regards to cannabis?

Let us separate our "hopes" and "messages" from our "worst-case-scenario-action plans". 

The "what is reasonable" is for talk of our hopes and our message, and the  "what is possible" or even "what is planned" will shape our worse-case-scenario action plans.

The "increasing fines" and "re-crim" of second offences have been ruled out (this time) but that does not rule out "mandatory treatment" this time, or everything coming in later on, once the ticketing scheme is in place.

Nobody on this forum has yet to address the "net-widening" issue at all.

 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: A debate on moderators changing personal title
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812617 
16 Feb 2004 15:19:32
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 "sorry i have never used a kkk website...the jew soap story came from one of the anti war web sites you your self listed...robert fisk....

 web page "

Sorry, I don't see the story. Can you post the actual link of the actual story? Does "Robert Fisk" explain away the 3 Nuremburg witnesses and the french documentary "Night and Fog" with the detailed film of the soap-works?





 
Quote:

 If you MUST post anti-semitic bile, at least source it so we know who you're KKKut and Pasting. 

 


"....sorry but all the real news is antisemitic"

Indymedia and Z-magazine are "real news" - and they aren't anti-semites or anti-arabs - just anti-fascists. They don't post your "Rothchilds own everything" BS. 



 


"....if it deals with the war on terror and 911...the massod did 911 ...as far as i can tell..."

Right. Israeli secret service (like many, many others) tape the WTC planebombing and you call that proof that "they did it"?




"arabs are semites ....which means all news broadcasters in todays world are anti semites for blaming arabs...and theres not one shread of evidence that arabs did 911..."

We both know the White house had more to do with than than either Afghanistan or Iraq. You just like blaming Isreal for everything. You have yet to come up with something resembling proof.









"as for jew soap story...sorry don't believe in shrunken jew heads ...lamps made out of jews...and jew soap...it is just ww2 propaganda...just like the anti saddam propaganda of today...same lies ....same lies of WMD"

You have yet to go out and rent "Night and Fog". You're ashamed to debate it in public. You aren't sincere. If it wasn't for free speech and the internet, you would have no place to go and nothing to do, because you're too chicken to voice your views in public - you're afraid because you have little faith in these opinions themselves.



  


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Re: A debate on moderators changing personal title
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812603 
16 Feb 2004 15:10:50
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"well thats not what other mods say...they all point at you..."

I didn't change the title. No other moderators have accused me of doing so.




"...are all the mods liars or are you..."

You're the only habitual liar I know of on this forum, Abby.







"i thought i was finnished having my title played with by mods years ago.."

I thought Nazi "Rothchilds own everything" and "hide our holocaust" games were finished years ago.



 


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Current News and Events
"Kill the Bill" - Direct Action committee?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812595 
16 Feb 2004 15:04:15
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I pose this question because I am unsure of support.

I feel for many reasons that the new Bill C-10 is genocidal to our community. As it is currently written, it will increase the number of people being punished for cannabis offences becase the police will be able to afford to ticket many people at once, and they will feel like they are "giving us a break" by ticketing us instead of putting us in jail.

The Liberals will want to increase the fines until the system pays for itself, or even higher. New liberal Keith Martin suggested back in 1997 that $1000.oo fines could pay for forced treatment. 

And they do intend to give us forced treatment as a way to deal with, in Hedy Fry's words "repeat offenders". 

Never mind the mandatory minimums they have planned. This bill is bad enough just as it is.

Think about it for a sec. Why arn't they raiding the cafes? They want to. They scream for a "drug free" (soft-drug user-free) world.... but they can't. They can't afford to get us all at once. Too expensive.

Not anymore. C-8 clears out the economic bottleneck. That is why it is dangerous. This is why it might be the last thing they need to get us all....


Unless.

I have a suggestion. Somewhere in this discussion forum, we put all the info on decrim. Then we make posters saying "DECRIMinalization is DESCRIMination"
and "C-10 is Satan - Kill the Bill" and "cannabis users/growers/dealers deserve all the rights of coffee bean users/growers/dealers" - each one with a big pot leaf on it - and post the posters up everywhere (especially around liberal candidates offices). Each poster will also have a link to the place we put the decrim info ... well, what do you folks think about that?

 I'll handle the postering for Vancouver ....

..... is there anyone in Ottawa who wants to do some early & cold postering  (one of the toughest jobs in pot activism!)? 


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Current News and Events
Re: Marijuana bill targets trafficking
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812547 
16 Feb 2004 14:36:54
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All those in favor of this current version of decrim - aside from the increased fines and the forced treatment and the mandatory minimums that are to follow - have yet to respond to the "net-widening" and the "they can't afford mass arrests now but they will under the new bill" concerns. Until you do, how do you expect me or any other reasonable pothead to support the bill?

I mean, if the NDP didn't fall for it, why are there people here falling for it?



When Bill C-8 was passed, they immediately had an excuse to do nothing - the issue was looked at. If we let this pass, how long will we have to wait until cannabis is back on the table again? The more we accept "compromise" now, the more remote actual freedom will be.

Did the homosexuals demand total equality, or did they settle for their criminality to be replaced with fines?

Prostitutes - are they safe under "decrim"? Isn't it true that the benefits would only occur (safety and health benefits and profit-sharing without pimps) under total legalization - and their current "Decrim" situation just makes things worse?

"Decrim" sends the wrong message - that we deserve any punishment at all.

We must continue to sent the RIGHT message to the end: don't harm the harmless!

 


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Terrorism and Drug War
A debate on moderators changing personal titles
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812531 
16 Feb 2004 14:23:00
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I support the idea of moderator discouraging abusive and non-pot, non-backed up controversial subject matter (it would be different if actual evidence was provided, but page after page after page of unsubstatiated, un-sourced, un-noted opinion is indeed a waste) by way of "contextuallizing" those who are problematic - in this manner - as opposed to actual censorship. 

I think Abby would have his title changed from "a waste of space" to whatever he wants it to be, as soon as he addresses the problem raised by some moderator - Abby stop wasting space! If you MUST post anti-semitic bile, at least source it so we know who you're KKKut and Pasting.

For the record, I never changed the title.

But I did laugh when I read it. It seemed to make the entire forum a little less like "Aryan Nations", and a little more "scapegoat friendly". 

I understand Abby is having a fit about it, so I open it up to debate for everybody - 

"Title Change" (to something having to do with the type of problem the poster is presenting to the forum) by moderators as a karmic method of encouraging cooperation among pathological posters - yea or nea? 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Back to our story: Bayer & Exxon - our War Fathers
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812480 
16 Feb 2004 13:23:02
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This is all taken from www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer  ... except for the pictures, which I just found recently.





http://www.brk-museum.de/Exponate/Postkarten/1916_Bayer_Opfertag.jpg




You don't want dye? OK ... how about poison gas?




"You will make war when it suits us and keep peace when it doesn't And in return you shall have the support of my newspapers, and the delight of imagining that you are a great statesman."
-Undershaft, the armament maker, in Bernard Shaw's "Major Barbara," Act III, 1905






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It was Carl Duisberg, head of I.G., a man who "would not tolerate dissent," a man who "believed in the 'Fuhrer Principle' long before Hitler was ever heard of," it was Duesberg who urged the employment of chemical warfare in the autumn of 1914. (18) 


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Duesberg ... "saw immediately that poison gas warfare could revive the moribund dyestuff industry, which was almost at a standstill since the beginning of the war he not only devoted Bayer to the poison gas project but also involved himself personally in the experiments." (19)


http://www.vnh.org/MedAspChemBioWar/images/P21_fig2-9battery.jpg
http://www.vnh.org/MedAspChemBioWar/chapters/chapter_2.htm

http://www-cgsc.army.mil/carl/resources/csi/Heller/HELLER.asp

On April 22, 1915, when the Germans finally tried out their new weapon - chlorine gas - it was the I.G. companies and I.G. chemists that supplied it. Five thousand died terrible deaths - another 10,000 were wounded. (20)


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  By the end of the war, at least 91 thousand men had died of gas. Another 1.3 million had been wounded by gas.... one of them was being a young soldier named Adolf Hitler. (21)




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http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/33dWImages/HitlerSchmidlLippertWW1-150pxw.png


Hitler - one satisfied customer!


http://www.sasked.gov.sk.ca/curr_content/history20/unit2/images/u2s2_4_1.gif

"What is the pain in my eyes compared to this misery? In these nights hatred grew in me, hatred for those responsible for this deed I, for my part, decided to go into politics."
-Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf (22)


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http://dbhs.wvusd.k12.ca.us/Gallery/Haber.GIF
"In no future war will the military be able to ignore poison gas. It is a higher form of killing."
-Professor Fritz Haber, pioneer of gas warfare - who got his start through BASF - or receiving the Nobel Prize for Chemistry in 1919 (23)


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http://www.britannica.com/nobel/art/ohaberf001p1.jpg

http://www.chemiedreieck.de/geschichte.html



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Hitler was temporarily blinded by British mustard gas in 1918 - a gas introduced by BASF chemist Fritz Haber the year before. (24)

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http://nmhm.washingtondc.museum/collections/archives/agalleries/ww2/mustard_gas.jpg



 Hitler's prolonged blindness and poisoning - just as the war ended - must have had a profound effect on his outlook and world-view. Some said the experience "helped determine him to avenge the German Defeat." (25)


http://www.brain-mind.com/images/3x2YoungHitler.gif



And while we're on the topic of common harsh chemicals and their effects on young Adolph's psyche, one other episode is worth recalling. Some historians have tried to explain Hitler's pathological hatred for Jews by pointing to the painful death Hitler's mother experienced at the hands of a Jewish Doctor back in 1907 who might have used too much "iodoform" - a powerful chemical antiseptic - to fight her breast cancer. (26)


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http://www.8ung.at/xeno/Historisches/Hitlers_Eltern/Bloch.jpg


http://www.uihealthcare.com/depts/medmuseum/wallexhibits/images/ChloroIodo.jpg





With an open mind, one could blame Hitler's mother's agony on the Doctor's faith in harsh chemicals more easily than on his faith in the Old Testament. An open mind, of course, was one thing Hitler was never known for.


http://www.brain-mind.com/images/2x1HitlerSalesman.jpg


(18) Harris, Robert and Paxman, Jeremy, "A Higher Form of Killing - The Secret Story of Gas and Germ Warfare," 1983, Triad, p. 9

(19) "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," p. 21

(20) ibid, pp. 22-23. See also "A Higher Form of Killing," pp. 2-3, 10

(21) "A Higher Form of Killing," p. 32

(22) Hitler, Adolf, "Mein Kampf," 1971 (1925) Houghton Miffin, p. 206

(23) "A Higher Form of Killing," p. xv

(24) http://www.courseworkbank.co.uk/coursework/fritz_haber_the_haber_process_1761/

(25) "A Higher Form of Killing," p. 32

(26) Toyland, John, "Adolf Hitler," 1976, Random House, p. 63. See also Rosenbaum, Ron, "Explaining Hitler," 1998, Random House, pp. 243-249
 


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The Marijuana Party
Re: Libertarian: http://www.russoforpresidentnow.com/
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812372 
16 Feb 2004 11:16:59
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My point was that he was FOR medpot and alternative medicine, and that it was his "#5" issue in terms of priorities.

As for being too "socialist" to be a libertarian, if you do some historical research on the terms, you will find that 1) they aren't mutually exclusive, and that 2) some of the most balenced minds (understanding the excesses of both capitalism and communism) call themselves "libertarian socialists" - Chomsky for example. Rosa Luxemburg could be called a "libertarian socialist" - same with many of the Yippies. Just be open to the concept of both love and freedom as pillars of a sustainable society. 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Unsubstantiated-cadabra
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812360 
16 Feb 2004 11:05:03
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Here, I'll prove it to you.

Not only can you not provide a link to any of my "lies", you can't even provide a link to anything you have substatiated - not counting "Israel is the aggressor in the middle east", which nobody doubts to begin with.
 


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Current News and Events
Re: Bill c-38.  Rumour. /Swerve
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812354 
16 Feb 2004 11:00:23
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 "Bill C-38 decriminalizes 15 grams or less of cannabis. In the Netherlands cannabis decriminalization is for only 5 grams."

The Dutch decrim 1) doesn't involve punishment, and 2) applies to small-time growers and dealers who follow certain rules. You can't say that about our "decrim" (which the government no longer calls "decrim" because nothing is decriminalized).

 
 


"It depends on how the law is enforced. IF coffee shops are allowed then i guess there would be a lot less resistance to this bill from the cannabis culture. But a lot more coming from the opposition who would love too see the law remain the same and be enforced to the max. And that is exactly the chance we take if we kill this bill."

Ummm ... they tried to "enforce the law to the max" in Vancouver in 1997-1999, and they found that it would be too expensive to go after everyone. If decrim was designed to make it more affordable to conduct mass arrests/ticketing attack, why would we take that chance?
 



"My two cents is pass this bill and then pressure government local and federal for the police not to impose fines as well as licenced coffee shops and licenced green house grow opts to supply the shops and medical users."

We won't be in any position to pressure anyone if we're all too busy paying the fines, going to treatment for our second offence (unless someone can guarantee this will not be imposed later on or at the last minute, we should assume "Forced Treatment" and "mandatory minimums" are eventually going to be a part of our decrim) and fighting the increased penalties for growing.
 
 



"If we get a system like the Netherlands then government gets a new tax base and its a win win situation for everyone involved."

They don't fine users in Holland. Your wishful thinking is the opposite of their stated plans.  We should be planning our response to their stated plans, not your wishful thinking.
 
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Terrorism and Drug War
Hava spazzavera!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812336 
16 Feb 2004 10:42:47
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Prove I've lied and I'll leave you alone to post whatever you want.

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Terrorism and Drug War
Quotes Abby would post if he wasn't such a coward
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812334 
16 Feb 2004 10:36:28
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"At the beginning of the twentieth century, the Jews sit at the junction of the world financial markets. They are an international power. Although only one per cent of the world's population, with the help of their capital, they terrorize the world stock exchanges, world opinion, and world politics. New York is today the center of Jewish power." - Nazi propaganda film, "The Eternal Jew," http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/stills.shtm



http://www.adl.org/hate-patrol/images/seedline.gif
http://www.adl.org/hate-patrol/churchmovement.asp

Holocaust Denial is an Anti-Semitic propaganda movement active in the United States, Canada, and Western Europe that seeks to deny the reality of the Nazi regime's systematic mass murder of six million Jews during World War II. It generally depicts historical accounts of this genocide as propaganda, generated by a Jewish, or "Zionist," conspiracy.

 


     


Holocaust Denial


One of the most notable anti-Semitic movements to develop over the past two decades has been an organized effort to deny the established history of Nazi Germany's extermination of six million Jews during the Holocaust. In the United States the movement has been known in recent years primarily through the publication of advertisements in college campus newspapers. The first of these ads claimed to call for "open debate on the Holocaust." While discussion of historical events is certainly useful and educational, "debating" the Holocaust would be like debating whether American colonists even, in fact, fought for independence from England in 1776. Another ad questioned the authenticity of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C. These ads have been published in several dozen student newspapers on campuses across the country.

 

Similar examples of such propaganda have begun to appear on the Internet as well. In addition to creating their own home pages, Holocaust deniers have sometimes crashed the sites of legitimate Holocaust and Jewish discussion groups in an effort to spread false information and harass Jews. In addition, Holocaust deniers have advertised their Web sites in classified ads in college and community newspapers.

 

These paid advertisements and Internet activities have appeared continuously since 1991. Though there is no evidence that they have persuaded large numbers of students to doubt the settled record of events which make up the Holocaust, the ads have sparked controversy between Jewish and non-Jewish students. In fact, this is exactly the goal of the Holocaust deniers.

 

By attacking the facts of the Holocaust and maintaining that their attack is merely an unorthodox point of view, Holocaust deniers demonstrate their subtle but hateful anti-Semitic beliefs. They try to spread the view that Jews are only using the Holocaust to take advantage of non-Jewish guilt and that Jews control the media and academic world. Some of these beliefs, in fact, are similar to those which helped bring Hitler to power in Germany during the 1930s.

 

The roots of Holocaust denial - or Holocaust "revisionism," as its adherents refer to the movement - can be found in the language of the Nazis itself, which tried to hide acts of imprisonment, slave labor, and mass murder under euphemisms such as"relocation" and  "The Final Solution." After World War II, former Nazis and their supporters similarly claimed that Hitler's hatred of the Jews had been misinterpreted, and that the numerous confessions of Nazi leaders describing the genocide had been coerced by the Allies. This neo-Nazi movement also dismissed the testimony of survivors from the concentration camps as exaggeration and lies. Other political extremists in the 1960s and 1970s, such as radical anti-Israel groups or fringe conspiracy theorists, echoed the views of these right-wing anti-Semites.

 

As an organized movement, Holocaust denial began in 1979 with the founding of a group called the Institute for Historical Review (IHR). The IHR publishes a magazine (the Journal of Historical Review), holds conferences, and distributes a variety of anti-Jewish books - all devoted to the idea that Hitler's record of atrocities is a fraud concocted by a powerful, secret conspiracy of Jews. Among those connected to the IHR is Bradley Smith, the man responsible for most of the Holocaust denial advertisements in college newspapers.

 

Many proponents of Holocaust denial claim that their propaganda has been misrepresented, and that they are victims of yet another conspiracy, also led by Jews, to suppress independent research. In making these claims, Holocaust deniers try to exploit the sympathy of most people, especially students, for academic debate and honest critical thinking. These arguments are dishonest, though, for three main reasons:

 

(1) Holocaust deniers reject all evidence and research that contradicts their views. Rather than promote honest research, these propagandists wish to challenge the historical record with their own views, which have no credibility.

 

(2) The "research" the deniers use comes to conclusions that are false. Among the untruths routinely promoted are the claims that no gas chambers existed at Auschwitz, that only 600,000 Jews were killed rather than six million, and that Hitler had no murderous intentions toward Jews or other groups persecuted by his government.

 

(3) Holocaust deniers conceal the true motivation for their propaganda. Though the deniers often try to assume a scholarly, reasonable tone in their public statements, in their more private newsletters, conferences, and e-mails they typically display hatred of Jews, admiration for Nazism, and contempt for free speech and democracy.
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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Saw the Van. premier of "Fog of War" last nigh
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812300 
16 Feb 2004 09:46:07
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Believe it or not, "Zionism" (nor "Zion") was never mentioned during the entire film!

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Terrorism and Drug War
Lilly? Small potatoes compared with Bayer & Exxon.
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812299 
16 Feb 2004 09:44:17
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"why do you keep looking at one company from a hundred years ago"?

1) Because they both (Bayer & Exxon) shaped and made money from WW 1, 2 & 3 in ways that no other corporations did. Also, 2) Lilly isn't the largest drug company by a long shot - Pfizer and Merck are both much bigger - both have ties to the Rockefellers and Merck has ties to Farbin too. Also, 3) Bayer happens to be getting into cannabis medicine in ways that Lilly isn't.

Don't even know why you picked Lilly .... is it because the CEO has a big nose?

Is Taurel one of your "hidden" jews?

 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Abby, even when you're offended, you're mistaken
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812290 
16 Feb 2004 09:31:49
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Somebody else changed your title, Abby! 

Maybe they got tired of your un-backed-up, never-sourced, tired, old opinions.

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Current News and Events
Re: Marijuana bill targets trafficking
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812285 
16 Feb 2004 09:25:57
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"If it doesn't pass, what are you left with?"

"BYOB Cafes, a growing movement, more pot-centric media, the NDP ..."



"Legalization ain't gonna happen."

Would we have a dozen Canadian BYOB cafes if everyone thought as you did? You are definately not invited to the opening of MY pot cafe.  You may say we're dreamers, but we're a majority of the population.  


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Current News and Events
Re: Marijuana bill targets trafficking
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812275 
16 Feb 2004 09:12:22
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"...pot is not legal anywhere in the world, including Holland."

Well, yes and no.

"Today, hashish and marijuana are predominantly sold in &QUOTcoffeehouses&QUOT ('Koffiehuis' 'Koffiehuizen') which are subject to Police supervision. Only in exceptional cases is action taken against coffeehouses for selling marijuana, and then only after deliberation by a &QUOTtriangle committee&QUOT composed of the Mayor, the local Head of the Public Prosecution Department and the Chief of Police. Such action might result from such offenses as: loud music, crowds or other nuisances; minors on premises; or heroin or cocaine being sold on premises. Coffeeshops in Amsterdam are no longer allowed to display a marijuana leaf emblem at the store front, as was once the case, because the Public Prosecutions Department has decided that this is a form of advertising which is forbidden under the guidelines.26 We have noted, however, that such emblems are still in use in other Dutch cities."

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/other/dutch.htm



http://www.hempcity.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=258&highlight=


"I will try to explain the legal status of the Dutch cannabis coffeeshops. 
 
 According to the 2003 figures, there are now only 782 THC coffeeshops left in the Netherlands. 
 
 All of these coffeeshops are allowed to sell cannabis, through a tolerance permit, they all pay taxes over the sales of cannabis. 
 
 Justice Minister Donner is clear about coffeeshops: He does not want them, and will try everything in his power to get them all closed. He promised he will close half of the Dutch coffeeshops, who are to close to schools and other buildings where young people are concentrated, and for other violations of the AHOJG regulations for coffeeshops. 
 This is bluff, Minister Donner knows that he can not close one coffeeshop, he can only ask the city-councils and Mayors to act as he wishes, for only local authorities have the power to act against the coffeeshops in their municipality. The Dutch Government only set out the guidelines for Holland's coffeeshop policy, it is up to the local authorities to work out a policy for their city, town or village. The CDA, Donner's political party, and the biggest party in the Netherlands, stands alone in their urge to go after coffeeshops and cannabis, all other parties in the Dutch Parliament are for a more progressive stance towards the substance and the trade in it. Only the municipalities with a CDA lead City council and Mayor might be subdue to Donner's wishes, in case they have any coffeeshops. Only 107 out of Holland's 496 municipalities have coffeeshops, so the black market serves the largest part of our country, even today. That would be the channel that could serve the foreigners, in case Donner's scheme would have worked, as they serve the under 18's already. About 46 % of the Dutch cannabists buy their softdrugs in coffeeshops. 
 The CDA believes in the gateway theory, meaning they think that cannabis is the first step to the use of hard drugs, the reason they want to close the coffeeshops. This makes them so tough to convince, it is easier to argue with the wise, than it is to argue with the ignorant. 
 
 Minister Donner is heavily overplaying his hand, he already promised German Minister Schily that he would tell the Dutch coffeeshops to no longer sell cannabis to foreigners, specifically Germans. The City councils involved, those along the German border, and Venlo in particular, do not agree with Donner. Venlo has 5 registered coffeeshops, and recently launched the plan to open two more, close to the German border, to keep the traffic out of the city centre. Venlo is afraid that Donner's plans will cause more dealers on the street, and wants to talk to Donner on short notice, about the consequences of his ideas." 
 


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Current News and Events
Re: Marijuana bill targets trafficking
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 812266 
16 Feb 2004 08:59:16
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"Currently, the law states you can get up to 7 years in jail for cultivation. Even for one plant."

I know more people who grow over fifty than under three. Nobody was going to jail for 1-3 plants anyway. And what will they do about "repeat offenders"? Hedy Fry would put us all in "treatment".
 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Dear Abby Dear Abby ... You sound so familiar....
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 811660 
15 Feb 2004 21:39:58
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You don't look like one of these guys, do you Abby?



Here's some quotes for you - tell me if any of this sounds familiar or convincing to you.

http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/hitler.html


The Eternal Jew - "Der ewige Jude"





Still Images from Der ewige Jude


http://www.ced.appstate.edu/~goodmanj/3850/medialit/medialit1/rats.jpg
http://www.ced.appstate.edu/~goodmanj/3850/medialit/medialit1/ww2propaganda.html





THE ETERNAL JEW 
(DER EWIGE JUDE) 
(Fritz Hippler, Germany, 1940)  (F) 
It is a tragic irony that almost the only remaining 
visual records of a now vanished civilization -- 
East European Jewry -- should reach us through 
the films of those who destroyed it.  Here, 
"documentary" shots are subverted by montage 
and narration into anti-semitic propaganda.  SC 
______________________________________________ 


This is the most subversive film ever made against a particular 
race or nationality group; there is no other like it in film history. 
It purports to be a study of "the problem of world Jewry" and 
utilizes documentary footage to expound its virulently anti-semitic 
philosophy. It is an object lesson in the manipulation of the materials 
of reality, in the use of montage and, particularly, of narration for 
purposes of progaganda parading as objective truth.  Shown widely 
in Nazi Germany, the occupied Low Countries, and France, it helped 
justify the "final solution" of the Jewish problem by means of 
extermination. Even today, its visual impact is still considered so 
threatening that it is never shown, and exists only in a few archives. 
 A screening at the American film society "Cinema 16" in 1958 -- the 
only one of its kind -- was first stopped by the American customs and 
only took place after intervention on State Departmental level. 


"The civilized Jews with whom we are acquainted in Germany," 
says the narration, "offer us only an incomplete picture of their 
racial characteristics.  This film shows original pictures from the 
Polish ghettos;  it shows the Jews as they really are, before they hide 
themselves under  the mask of the civilized European."  It is indeed 
ironical that the most complete and only filmic coverage of Eastern 
ghetto life (now vanished) should be preserved for posterity by means 
of the most anti-Jewish film ever made. For here we see horrible 
scenes of poverty, degradation, and heart-rending faces of people 
who were to die within the year; many frightened, but attempting 
 to hide their fear as this would be a mark against them, or smiling, 
even acting (to please the Nazi filmmakers).  "The home life of the 
Jews shows his inability to become civilized.  Jewish homes are 
dirty and in complete disorder."  The narrative goes on to explain 
how the Jew does not like to work; he prefers to make shady deals 
and  cheat the Aryans as ordered by Moses.  His origin is in the 
Orient and a "surprising parallel to the Jewish migrations of an 
 equally restless animal -- the rats."  Here shots of vast hordes 
of rats scurrying about are cross-cut with mass shots of Jews. 
 "The rats accompany man as a parasite from his very beginning; 
wherever rats appear, they carry death, spread leprosy, plague, typhus, 
cholera.  They are cunning, cowardly and cruel and always appear in 
large numbers.  They represent, among animals, the same element of 
treachery and destruction as the Jews do among humans."  The film 
then  proceeds -- always illustrated by well chosen visuals and naming 
names -- to show that Jews are variously gangsters, Bolsheviks, 
degenerated artists, international bankers, white slavers, con-men 
and lechers.  Excerpts from motion pictures involving Jews are used 
and often not identified as such, transforming fictional incidents 
into generalized characterizations of a race.  Einstein is referred to 
as "the Relativity- Jew Einstein", and New York and America are 
shown to be dominated by Jewish bankers, as are the left-wing parties 
of Western Europe.  "The concept of beauty is alien to them"; they 
prefer cubism,  expressionism, and jazz. "Here we see  an entire group 
of Polish Jews, previously dressed in their kaftans, and  now in West 
European clothing, cleanly shaven, ready to infiltrate  Western Europe." 
Yiddish ("alien") words are juxtaposed with Western music.  Ritual 
slaughter is depicted in detail to reveal its "inhuman barbarism". 


This unprecedented opportunity to study actual Nazi propaganda 
at first hand provides an object lesson of overriding significance; 
all visual material is inherently neutral and can be made to serve 
any purpose by clever montage and soundtrack manipulation. 
It would be possible to take large sections of this film and provide 
them with a sympathetic commentary, stressing the Jews' plight 
in Eastern Europe and their cultural achievements elsewhere. 
 (Such an experiment exists in the case of the American documen- 
tary Operation Abolition, which accompanied shots of left-wing 
demonstrations against the House Committee on Un-American 
Activities with strongly anti-Communist narration; a short time 
later, the American Civil Liberties Union produced a reply, Operation 
Correction, which consisted of the same footage, in the same order, 
but accompanied by a diametrically opposed narration providing 
facts and corrections not contained in the earlier work.)  Kracauer is 
right in considering the  predominance of language in The Eternal Jew 
a weakness, making it inferior to Triumph of the Will; yet the semblance 
of objectivity it offered in its dense visual and aural documentation and its 
intentional sensory overload of rapid-fire accusations and allegations 
have made this into one of the most dangerous films ever produced. 
 

These stills from the film, along with the narration, may help give some idea of the character of this hate-propaganda film. The text of the narrator's comments is given for each shot from which each image is taken, in English and German. 


These stills were chosen somewhat at random, so this list should not be taken as a thorough listing of all scenes in the film. 


See also the film program handed out before the movie began. 




In the course of the 19th and 20th centuries, they spread from Eastern Europe like an irresistable tide, flooding the towns and nations of Europe - in fact, the entire world.


Wherever rats appear they bring ruin, by destroying mankind's goods and foodstuffs.


In this way, they (the rats) spread disease, plague, leprosy, typhoid fever, cholera, dysentery, and so on.






They are cunning, cowardly, and cruel, and are found mostly in large packs. Among the animals, they represent the rudiment of an insidious and underground destruction - just like the Jews among human beings.


This parasitical Jewish race is responsible for most international crime. In 1932, Jews, only 1 per cent of the world's population, accounted for ... 47 per cent of crooked games of chance - 82 percent of international crime organizations - 98 percent of prostitution.


The common language of international thieves comes not without reason from Hebrew and Yiddish.



The above translations are courtesy of The Holocaust History Project (based loosely on work from the Imperial War Museum some years ago).  


Additional information about the movies referenced is available at the Internet Movie Database: 


M (1931) 

The House of Rothschild (1934) 

The Jester aka Der Purimspieler (1937) 

Der ewige Jude (1940) 




 
 

Last modified: September 13, 1998 
Copyright © 1997-8 by Stig Hornshoj-Moller. All rights reserved. 
Technical/administrative contact: [email protected] 

 

These stills from the film, along with the narration, may help give some idea of the character of this hate-propaganda film. The text of the narrator's comments is given for each shot from which each image is taken, in English and German. 


These stills were chosen somewhat at random, so this list should not be taken as a thorough listing of all scenes in the film. 


See also the film program handed out before the movie began. 

Film Program - In English

 

As was common at that time, viewers of "Der ewige Jude" were given a pamphlet which described the film. Written by Goebbels' Ministry of Propaganda, this program tells us what we are expected to see and think in the film. 


The film begins with an impressive expedition through the Jewish ghettoes in Poland. We are shown Jewish living quarters, which in our 



 view cannot be called houses. In these dirty rooms lives and prays a race, which earns its living not by work but by haggling and swindling. From the little urchin to the old man, they stand in the streets, trading and bargaining. Using trick photography, we are shown how the Jewish racial mixture in Asia Minor developed and flooded the entire world. We see a parallel to this in the itinerant routes of rats, which are the parasites and bacillus-carriers among animals, just as the Jews occupy the same position among mankind. The Jew has always known how to assimilate his external appearance to that of his host. Contrasted are the same Jewish types, first the Eastern Jew with his kaftan, beard, and sideburns, and then the clean-shaven, Western European Jew. This strikingly demonstrates how he has deceived the Aryan people. Under this mask he increased his influence more and more in Aryan nations and climbed to higher-ranking positions. But he could not change his inner being. 

After the banishment of the Jews from Europe was lifted, following the age of Enlightenment, the Jew succeeded within the course of several decades in dominating the world economy, before the various host nations realized - and this despite the fact that they made up only 1 per cent of the world population. An excerpt from an American film 



 about the Rothschilds, made by Jews, reveals to us the cunning foundations of their banking empire. Then we see how Jews, working for their international finance, drive the German people into the November Revolution. They then shed their anonymity and step out openly on to the stage of political and cultural life. Thus the men who were responsible for the disgraceful debasement of the German people are paraded before us. Incontestable examples are shown of how they robbed the country and the people of immense sums. As well as gaining financial supremacy they were able to dominate cultural life. The repulsive pictures of so-called Jewish "art" reveal the complete decline of cultural life at that time. Using original sequences from contemporary films, the degrading and destructive tendency of Jewish power is exposed. For hundreds of years German artists have glorified figures from the Old Testament, knowing full well the real face of Jewry. How the Jew actually looks like is shown in scenes shot by Jews themselves in a "culture film" of a Purim festival, which is still celebrated today to commemorate the slaughter of 75,000 anti-Semitic Persians, and the doctrine with which future Rabbis in Jewish schools are educated to be political pedagogues. We look into a Jewish 'Talmud' class and experience the oriental tone of the ceremony in a Jewish synagogue, where Jews conduct business deals among themselves during the holy services. 


 

However, the cruel face of Judaism is most brutally displayed in the final scenes, in which original shots of a kosher butchering are revealed. These film documents of the inhuman slaughter of cattle and sheep without anaesthesia provide conclusive evidence of a brutality which is simply inconceivable to all Aryan people. In shining contrast, the film closes with pictures of German people and German order which fill the viewer with a feeling of deep gratification for belonging to a race whose Führer is fundamentally solving the Jewish problem. 
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http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/program.shtml

http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/stills.shtml 


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Terrorism and Drug War
BAYER & EXXON HISTORY part 2: Aspirin & Eugenics
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 810820 
15 Feb 2004 07:43:17
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www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer



http://www.deutsches-museum.de/ausstell/dauer/pharma/img/aspirin.jpg

Aspirin's twisted history


http://unr.edu/homepage/crowther/ejse/svhlfhlh.jpg

In 1884, Carl Duisberg began his career at Bayer. (7) He was General Manager at Bayer when in 1897 another prominent chemist, Arthur Eichengrun - a Jew - discovered Aspirin. Eichengrun was prolific, with 40 patents to his name and was promoted to the head of pharmaceutical research upon his discovery. (8)


http://www.weirdclipart.com/images/aspirin.gif

http://www.chemsoc.org/chembytes/ezine/1999/jourdier.htm


http://www.aspirinworks.com/images/aspirin3.gif

Eichengrun was never given credit for discovering Aspirin. 


http://www.chemsoc.org/chembytes/ezine/images/1999/jourdier_hoffmann.gif


http://www.euros.net/estepona/aspirina/assets/images/hoffmann.JPG


http://www.ul.ie/~childsp/CinA/Issue59/Images/Page44.jpg
http://www.ul.ie/~childsp/CinA/Issue59/TOC43_Aspirin.htm


http://ppo.intergraph.com/insight/2-3/images/11-header.jpg

When he was promoted head of research, his assistant, German Felix Hoffmann - the man Bayer claims to this day (9) invented aspirin - was moved to the sales department. 


http://www.bioanalytical.com/info/calendar/99/01bayer.htm

As it turns out, IG Farben made the Hoffmann story up in 1933 as the Nazi's came into power. 



To be fair, Bayer would never forget the inventor of their best seller - "the world's favorite painkiller." They used their influence to make sure Eichengrun got sent to the best of concentration camps. (10) He even got his own room.


http://www.bio.davidson.edu/biology/kabernd/seminar/studfold/wa/Bayer.jpg


http://www.cbgnetwork.org/Ubersicht/Zeitschrift_SWB/SWB_1997/SWB04_97/100_Jahre_Aspirin/Aspirin100.jpg

Richard Willstatter, a Jewish Nobel Prize-winning chemist (1915) who had been forced to flee Germany in 1939, wrote a book while in exile in Switzerland. In it there is a short passage in which the scientist criticized Carl Duisberg for making anti-Semitic comments when Willstatter resigned from the University of Munich in 1924. (11) 


http://www.leverkusen.com/whoiswho/d/Duisberg04.jpg


http://www.leverkusen.com/guide/Archiv1.jpg/43/Q26_Duisberg2.jpg


http://www.leverkusen.com/whoiswho/d/Duisberg_Samberger.jpg
http://www.leverkusen.com/whoiswho/whoiswho.php4?view=Duisberg

These anti-Semitic tendencies within I.G. Farben would become more pronounced as the company became more political.


http://www.ma.org/History/WhoOwnsWhat/Pages/Danielle_Jessica/aspirin.gif


http://www.augustachronicle.com/images/headlines/082197/fea_aspirin.jpg


http://www.hinifoto.de/na/farben.gif





Survival of the richest


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/rockefellers/peopleevents/images/rockontrialp1.jpg

Meanwhile, John D. Rockefeller had been busy. By 1880, Rockefeller owned or controlled 95% of all oil produced in the United States. Shortly after the turn of the century, Rockefeller became America's first billionaire. (12) 


http://luvsite.org/JohnDRockefeller.gif

It was around the turn of the century that Rockefeller began to give money to the Foundations, Funds, Research Centers and Institutes that would promote all the drugs his chemists churned out in the years to come.


http://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/images/f082001.jpg

The most richly endowed research center - the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research - was established in New York in 1902. By 1928 it had received from John D. $65 million in endowment funds. In contrast, as late as 1938, as little as $2.8 million in federal funding was budgeted for the entire U.S. Public Health Service. (13) By 1929, the Rockefeller Foundation, first created in 1909, had received $300 million. (14)


http://www.trinity.edu/mkearl/eugenics.jpg

"Eugenics" or "good genes" was a science based on "social Darwinism" or "survival of the fittest" applied to humans. It was very popular with those who had most of the wealth and felt like they needed a scientific rationale for it - to validate the great poverty and suffering that also would occur.


http://people.stu.ca/~nicholso.staff/Images/eugenics-tree.jpg

 After 1900, Rockefeller, along with the Harriman family - the family that gave the Bush family it's start - began to spend millions on "eugenics" research. (15)


http://www.freedommag.org/english/vol27I5/img/pg5_1.gif
http://www.freedommag.org/english/vol27I5/page02.htm


http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0674745787.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Some of the Rockefeller Foundation money went to a Swiss psychiatrist named Ernst Rudin. He later went on to head the German "Racial Hygiene Society," a section of the new Nazi state. (16) 


http://data2.archives.ca/ap/c/c029350.jpg

Rockefeller would also hire William Lyon Mackenzie King as a "Director of Industrial Research" for the Rockefeller Foundation - shortly after he began the racist war on opium-smoking Chinese in Canada. (17)


(7) www.bayer.com/en/bayer/ugeschichte.php

(8) Aspirin: A Bitter Pill; www.gist.com/tv/article.jsp?adf=dn020601.adf
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0999/7276_321/69057212/p5/article.jhtml?term=


(9) www.ideafinder.com/history/inventions/story001.htm - See also: www.bayeraspirin.com/questions/hundred_aspirin.htm &
www.bayer.com/en/bayer/ugeschichte.php
http://www.bayer.de/aktionaersbrief2q2002/de/news/aspirin.php

(10) Aspirin: A Bitter Pill, www.gist.com/tv/article.jsp?adf=dn020601.adf

(11) Wiesen, S. Johnathan, "German Industry and the Third Reich: Fifty Years of Forgetting and Remembering" www.adl.org/braun/dim_13_2_forgetting.html#top

(12) Marrs, Jim, "Rule by Secrecy," 2000, Harper-Collins, pp. 45-46

(13) Horowitz, Leonard G., "Kissinger and Rockefeller Connections to American Central Intelligence and the Origins of AIDS and Ebola," A Speech Before the Citizens Against Legal Loopholes Rally, The Capitol Mall, Washington, D.C., Labor Day Weekend, 1996 www.whale.to/vaccines/horowitz4.html

(14) Horowits, Leonard G., "Emerging Viruses - Aids and Ebola - Nature, Accident or Intentional?," 1997, Tetrahedron, p. 344

(15) "Rule by Secrecy," pp. 47-48

(16) "Emerging Viruses," pp. 344-345

(17) Hutchison, Bruce, "The Incredible Canadian," 1953, p.34 - see also "Rule by Secrecy," p. 54, see also "http://web.uccs.edu/~history/USC/weekeight.htm">web.uccs.edu/~history/USC/weekeight.htm
 


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Terrorism and Drug War
No matter how you slice it - it's still spam.
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 810786 
15 Feb 2004 06:45:37
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http://www.pacinst.com/terrorists/chapter2/jackson.html

That was the link I wanted. I knew you didn't type all that in yourself. I knew you were incapable of independent research - or independent thought, for that matter.

If you read the Griffin book, it states that the Rothchild quote was never actually proved to be from Rothchild - just what some guy said he said. Your bible thumping source (you were understandably ashamed to reveal) failed to note that quote was only "attributed" to Rothchild. Quite sloppy - but what do you expect from a bible thumper.

And for someone who hates god in all his forms, you sure rely on the bible thumpers rather heavily for your anti-israel - sorry, you prefer "anti-zionist" retoric.

http://www.pacinst.com/origin.htm

Next time, if you're going to KKKut and paste, just post the damn link, and save me the trouble. 


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The Marijuana Party
Libertarian: russo for president now.com
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 810390 
14 Feb 2004 22:38:15
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http://www.russoforpresidentnow.com/

Check out his # 5 issue:

5. Both wage war against medical marijuana and alternative medicine.

There you go. 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Abby, please supply the links for your spam
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 810349 
14 Feb 2004 22:03:11
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I don't care who you stole it from. Whenever you cut and paste anything, or post something, provide the link - I don't wanna have to try and figure it out - my Bayer history has 364 links! 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Saw the Van. premier of "Fog of War" last night
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 810329 
14 Feb 2004 21:41:25
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Has anyone else seen this flick? I think it will win the Oscar. 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: You have no documents, only opinions.
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 810318 
14 Feb 2004 21:20:04
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"that was hypothetical...."

You beating me up was hypothetical  .... the fact that 1) you're making anonymous threats and 2) you refuse to back up either your threats or your opinion with your real name are both NOT hypothetical. The fact that this makes you a sort of a coward is also beyond hypothesis. 


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Pot-TV Show Reviews
Re: Newshawks: Nasty Prison Guards Terrorize Prisoners For A Joint and more......... (pottv2490)
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 810188 
14 Feb 2004 19:02:23
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Faaaaak. Listening to that guy scream as he gets bit by the police dog .... while in jail ..... horrifying. Texas prisons .... thank you "dubya".

That was over marijuana? That was a training film? Unbelievable.

This war has got to end now, folks, before we all get bit. 


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Terrorism and Drug War
"That's Some Bad Pilot" -"W", 9-11 (& other shocks
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 810181 
14 Feb 2004 18:42:13
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Stewardess ID'dHijackers Early, Transcripts Show

by Gail Sheehy

Hearing the taped voice of a courageous flight attendant as she calmlynarrated the doomed course of American Airlines Flight 11 brought itall back. The frozen horror of that September morning two and a halfyears ago. The unanswered questions. Betty Ong narrated that firsthijacking right up to the moment that Mohamed Atta drove the Boeing767 into the north tower of the World Trade Center.

Twenty-three minutes into her blow-by-blow account, Ong's voiceabruptly ceased. "What's going on, Betty?" asked herground contact, Nydia Gonzalez. "Betty, talk to me. I think wemight have lost her."

Emotional catharsis, yes. There was scarcely a dry eye in the Senatehearing room where 10 commissioners are probing the myriad failures ofour nation's defenses and response to the terrorist attacks of 9/11.But answers? Not many. The most shocking evidence remains hidden inplain sight.

The politically divided 9/11 commission was able to agree on a publicairing of four and a half minutes from the Betty Ong tape, which theAmerican public and most of the victims' families heard for thefirst time on the evening news of Jan. 27. But commissioners wereunaware of the crucial information given in an even more revealingphone call, made by another heroic flight attendant on the same plane,Madeline (Amy) Sweeney. They were unaware because their chief ofstaff, Philip Zelikow, chooses which evidence and witnesses to bringto their attention. Mr. Zelikow, as a former adviser to the pre-9/11Bush administration, has a blatant conflict.

"My wife's call was the first specific information the airlineand the government got that day," said Mike Sweeney, the widowedhusband of Amy Sweeney, who went face to face with the hijackers onFlight 11. She gave seat locations and physical descriptions of thehijackers, which allowed officials to identify them as Middle Easternmen-by name-even before the first crash. She gave officials keyclues to the fact that this was not a traditional hijacking. And shegave the first and only eyewitness account of a bomb on board.

"How do you know it's a bomb?" asked her phonecontact.

"Because the hijackers showed me a bomb," Sweeney said,describing its yellow and red wires.

Sweeney's first call from the plane was at 7:11 a.m. on Sept.11-the only call in which she displayed emotional upset. Flight 11 wasdelayed, and she seized the few moments to call home in hopes oftalking to her 5-year-old daughter, Anna, to say how sorry she was notto be there to put her on the bus to kindergarten. Ms. Sweeney's sonJack had been born several months premature, and she had taken themaximum time off over the previous summer to be with her children."But she had to go back that fall, to hold the Boston-to-L.A.trip," explained her husband.

American's Flight 11 took off from Logan Airport in Boston at 7:59a.m. By 8:14 a.m., the F.A.A. controller following that flight from afacility in Nashua, N.H., already knew it was missing; its transponderhad been turned off, and the controller couldn't get a response fromthe pilots. The air-traffic controller contacted the pilot of UnitedAirlines Flight 175, which at 8:14 also left Boston's Logan boundfor California, and asked for his help in locating Flight 11.

Sweeney slid into a passenger seat in the next-to-last row of coachand used an Airfone to call American Airlines Flight Service atBoston's Logan airport. "This is Amy Sweeney," shereported. "I'm on Flight 11-this plane has been hijacked."She was disconnected. She called back: "Listen to me, and listento me very carefully." Within seconds, her befuddled respondentwas replaced by a voice she knew.

"Amy, this is Michael Woodward." The American Airlinesflight service manager had been friends with Sweeney for a decade, sohe didn't have to waste any time verifying that this wasn't ahoax. "Michael, this plane has been hijacked," Ms. Sweeneyrepeated. Calmly, she gave him the seat locations of three of thehijackers: 9D, 9G and 10B. She said they were all of Middle Easterndescent, and one spoke English very well.

Mr. Woodward ordered a colleague to punch up those seat locations onthe computer. At least 20 minutes before the plane crashed, theairline had the names, addresses, phone numbers and credit cards ofthree of the five hijackers. They knew that 9G was Abdulaziz al-Omari,10B was Satam al-Suqami, and 9D was Mohamed Atta-the ringleader ofthe 9/11 terrorists.

"The nightmare began before the first plane crashed," saidMike Sweeney, "because once my wife gave the seat numbers of thehijackers and Michael Woodward pulled up the passenger information,Mohamed Atta's name was out there. They had to know what they wereup against."

Mr. Woodward was simultaneously passing on Sweeney's information toAmerican's headquarters in Dallas-Fort Worth. There was no tapingfacility in his office, because the most acute emergency normallyfielded by a flight service manager would be a call from a crew memberfaced with 12 passengers in first class and only eight meals. So Mr.Woodward was furiously taking notes.

Amy Sweeney's account alerted the airline that somethingextraordinary was occurring. She told Mr. Woodward she didn'tbelieve the pilots were flying the plane any longer. She couldn'tcontact the cockpit. Sweeney may have ventured forward to businessclass, because she relayed the alarming news to Betty Ong, who wassitting in the rear jump-seat. In professional lingo, she said:"Our No. 1 has been stabbed," referring to a violent attackon the plane's purser, "also No. 5," another flightattendant. She also reported that the passenger in 9B had had histhroat slit by the hijacker sitting behind him and appeared to bedead. Betty Ong relayed this information to Nydia Gonzalez, areservations manager in North Carolina, who simultaneously heldanother phone to her ear with an open line to American Airlinesofficial Craig Marquis at the company's Dallasheadquarters.

The fact that the hijackers initiated their takeover by killing apassenger and stabbing two crew members had to be the first tip-offthat this was anything but a standard hijacking. "I don'trecall any flight crew or passenger being harmed during a hijacking inthe course of my career," said Peg Ogonowski, a senior flightattendant who has flown with American for 28 years.

Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney also reported that the hijackers had usedmace or pepper spray and that passengers in business class were unableto breathe. Another dazzling clue to the hijackers' having a uniqueand violent intent came in Betty Ong's earliest report: "Thecockpit is not answering their phone. We can't get into the cockpit.We don't know who's up there."

A male colleague of Ms. Gonzalez then comes on the line and makes theinfuriating observation: "Well, if they were shrewd, they'dkeep the door closed. Would they not maintain a sterilecockpit?"

To which Ong replied: "I think the guys are up there."

Ms. Sweeney told her ground contact that the plane had radicallychanged direction; it was flying erratically and was in rapid descent.Mr. Woodward asked her to look out the window-what did she see?

"I see water. I see buildings. We're flying low, we're flyingway too low," Sweeney replied, according to the notes taken byMr. Woodward. Sweeney then took a deep breath and gasped, "Oh, myGod."

At 8:46 a.m., Mr. Woodward lost contact with Amy Sweeney-the momentof metamorphosis, when her plane became a missile guided into thetower holding thousands of unsuspecting civilians. "So sometimebetween 8:30 and 8:46, American must have known that the hijacking wasconnected to Al Qaeda," said Mike Sweeney. That would be 16 to 32minutes before the second plane perforated the south tower.

Would American Airlines officials monitoring the Sweeney and Woodwarddialogue have known right away that Mohamed Atta was connected to AlQaeda?

"The answer is probably yes," said 9/11 commission memberBob Kerrey, "but it seems to me that the weakness here, inrunning up to pre-9/11, is an unwillingness to believe that the UnitedStates of America could be attacked. Then you're not puttingdefensive mechanisms in place. You're not trying to screen outpeople with connections to Islamic extremist groups."

Peg Ogonowski, the widow of Flight 11's captain, John Ogonowski,knew both Betty and Amy very well. "They had to know they weredealing with zealots," she said. "The words 'MiddleEastern hijackers' would put a chill in any flight-crew member'sheart. They were unpredictable; you couldn't reason withthem."

Ms. Ogonowski knew this from her nearly three decades of experience asa flight attendant for American. She and her husband had dreamt of thetime in the not-so-distant future when their teenage children would beold enough that the couple could work the same flight to Europe andenjoy layovers in London and Paris together. She had been scheduled tofly Flight 11 on Sept. 13. After Sept. 11, she imagined herself inSweeney's shoes: "When Amy picked up the phone-she was motherof two very young children-she had to know that, at that point, shemight be being observed by another hijacker sitting in a passengerseat who would put a bullet through her head. What she did wasincredibly brave."

How, then, could the commission have missed-or ignored-crucialfacts that this very first of the first responders communicated toofficials on that fateful day?

"It seems amazing to me that they didn't know," said Mrs.Ogonowski. "The state of Massachusetts has an award in AmySweeney's name for civilian bravery." The first recipients wereJohn Ogonowski and Betty Ong. A full-court ceremony was held on Sept.11, 2002, in Faneuil Hall in Boston, with Senators Kennedy and Kerreyand the state's whole political establishment in attendance.

Even the F.B.I. has recognized Amy Sweeney by bestowing on her itshighest civilian honor, the Director's Award for Exceptional PublicService. "Mrs. Sweeney is immeasurably deserving of recognitionfor her heroic, unselfish and professional manner in which she livedthe last moments of her life," according to theF.B.I.

What her husband wants to know is this: "When and how was thisinformation about the hijackers used? Were Amy's last moments put tothe best use to protect and save others?"

"We know what she said from notes, and the government has them,"said Mary Schiavo, the formidable former Inspector General of theDepartment of Transportation, whose nickname among aviation officialswas "Scary Mary." Ms. Schiavo sat in on the commission'shearing on aviation security on 9/11 and was disgusted by what it leftout. "In any other situation, it would be unthinkable to withholdinvestigative material from an independent commission," she toldthis writer. "There are usually grave consequences. But thecommission is clearly not talking to everybody or not telling useverything."

This is hardly the only evidence hiding in plain sight.

The captain of American's Flight 11 stayed at the controls much ofthe diverted way from Boston to New York, sending surreptitious radiotransmissions to authorities on the ground. Captain John Ogonowski wasa strong and burly man with the instincts of a fighter pilot who hadsurvived Vietnam. He gave extraordinary access to the drama inside hiscockpit by triggering a "push-to-talk button" on theaircraft's yoke (or wheel). "The button was being pushedintermittently most of the way to New York," an F.A.A.air-traffic controller told The Christian Science Monitor the dayafter the catastrophe. "He wanted us to know something was wrong.When he pushed the button and the terrorist spoke, we knew there wasthis voice that was threatening the pilot, and it was clearlythreatening."

According to a timeline later adjusted by the F.A.A., Flight 11'stransponder was turned off at 8:20 a.m., only 21 minutes aftertakeoff. (Even before that, by probably a minute or so, Amy Sweeneybegan her report to American's operations center at Logan.) Theplane turned south toward New York, and more than one F.A.A.controller heard a transmission with an ominous statement by aterrorist in the background, saying, "We have more planes. Wehave other planes." During these transmissions, the pilot'svoice and the heavily accented voice of a hijacker were clearlyaudible, according to two controllers. All of it was recorded by aF.A.A. traffic-control center in Nashua, N.H. According to thereporter, Mark Clayton, the federal law-enforcement officers arrivedat the F.A.A. facility shortly after the World Trade Center attack andtook the tape.

To this writer's knowledge, there has been no public mention of thepilot's narrative since the news report on Sept. 12, 2001. Familiesof the flight crew have only heard about it, but when Peg Ogonowskiasked American Airlines to let her hear it, she never heard back.Their F.A.A. superiors forbade the controllers to talk to anyoneelse.

Has the F.B.I. turned this critical tape over to the commission?

At the commission's January panel on aviation security, two rows ofgray suits filled the back of the hearing room. They were notinspectors general of any of the government agencies called totestify. In fact, said Mary Schiavo, there is no entity within theadministration pushing any consequences. The gray suits were allattorneys for the airlines, hovering around while the big bosses fromAmerican and United gave their utterly unrevealingtestimonies.

Robert Bonner, the head of Customs and Border Protection, finally shotback at the panel with a startling boast.

"We ran passenger manifests through the system used byCustoms-two were hits on our watch list of August 2001," Mr.Bonner testified. "And by looking at the Arab names and theirseat locations, ticket purchases and other passenger information, itdidn't take a lot to do a rudimentary link analysis. Customsofficers were able to ID 19 probable hijackers within 45minutes."

He meant 45 minutes after four planes had been hijacked and turnedinto missiles. "I saw the sheet by 11 a.m.," he said, addingproudly, "And that analysis did indeed correctly identify theterrorists."

How has American Airlines responded? According to the widower MikeSweeney, "Ever since Sept. 11, AMR [the parent company ofAmerican Airlines] just wants to forget this whole thing happened.They wouldn't allow me to talk to Michael Woodward, and five monthsor so: they let him go." The Families Steering Committee urgedthe commission to interview Michael Woodward about the Sweeneyinformation, as did Ms. Ong's brother, Harry Ong. A couple of daysbefore the hearing on aviation security, a staffer did call Mr.Woodward and ask a few questions. But the explosive narrative offeredby Amy Sweeney in her last 23 minutes of life was not included in the 9/11 commission's hearing on aviation security.

The timeline that is most disturbing belongs to the last of the foursuicide missions-United Airlines Flight 93, later presumed destinedfor the U.S. Capitol, if not the White House. Huge discrepanciespersist in basic facts, such as when it crashed into the Pennsylvaniacountryside near Shanksville. The official impact time according toNORAD, the North American Air Defense Command, is 10:03 a.m. Later,U.S. Army seismograph data gave the impact time as 10:06:05. TheF.A.A. gives a crash time of 10:07 a.m. And The New York Times,drawing on flight controllers in more than one F.A.A. facility, putthe time at 10:10 a.m.

Up to a seven-minute discrepancy? In terms of an air disaster, sevenminutes is close to an eternity. The way our nation has historicallytreated any airline tragedy is to pair up recordings from the cockpitand air-traffic control and parse the timeline down to the hundredthsof a second. But as Mary Schiavo points out, "We don't have anNTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) investigation here, andthey ordinarily dissect the timeline to the thousandth of asecond."

Even more curious: The F.A.A. states that it established an open phoneline with NORAD to discuss both American Airlines Flight 77 (headedfor the Pentagon) and United's Flight 93. If true, NORAD had as manyas 50 minutes to order fighter jets to intercept Flight 93 in its pathtoward Washington, D.C. But NORAD's official timeline claims thatF.A.A. notification to NORAD on United Airlines Flight 93 is "notavailable." Why isn't it available?

Asked when NORAD gave an order for fighter planes to scramble inresponse to United's Flight 93, the air-defense agency notes onlythat F-16's were already airborne from Langley Air Force Base inVirginia to intercept American's Flight 77. The latter jet heavedinto the Pentagon at either 9:40 a.m. (according to the F.A.A.) or at9:38 a.m. (according to NORAD). Although the F-16's weren't in theskies over Washington until 9:49, the question is: Did they continueflying north in an attempt to deter the last of the four hijackedjets? The distance was only 129 miles.

The independent commission is in a position to demand such answers,and many more. Have any weapons been recovered from any of the fourdowned planes? If not, why should the panel assume they were"less-than-four-inch knives," the description repeatedlyused in the commission's hearing on aviation security? Remember theairlines' first reports, that the whole job was pulled off with boxcutters? In fact, investigators for the commission found that boxcutters were reported on only one plane. In any case, box cutters wereconsidered straight razors and were always illegal. Thus the airlinesswitched their story and produced a snap-open knife of less than fourinches at the hearing. This weapon falls conveniently within theaviation-security guidelines pre-9/11.

But bombs? Mace or pepper spray? Gas masks? The F.B.I. dropped theclue that the hijackers had "masks" in a meeting with theFour Moms from New Jersey, the 9/11 widows who rallied for thisindependent commission.

The Moms want to know if investigators have looked into how the pilotswere actually disabled. To think that eight pilots-four of whom wereformerly in the military, some with combat experience in Vietnam, andall of whom were in superb physical shape-could have been subduedwithout a fight or so much as a sound stretches the imagination. Evengiving the terrorists credit for a militarily disciplined act of war,it is rare for everything to go right in four separate battles.

Shouldn't the families and the American people know whether or notour government took action to prevent the second attack planned forthe command-and-control center in Washington?

Melody Homer is another young widow of a 9/11 pilot. Her husband,LeRoy Homer, a muscular former Air Force pilot, was the first officerof United's Flight 93. The story put out by United-of heroicpassengers invading the cockpit and struggling with theterrorists-is not believable to Melody Homer or to Sandy Dahl, widowof the plane's captain, Jason Dahl. Mrs. Dahl was a working flightattendant with United and knew the configuration of that 757 like theback of her hand.

"We can't imagine that passengers were able to get a cart outof its locked berth and push it down the single aisle and jam it intothe cockpit with four strong, violent men behind the door," said Ms. Homer. She believes that the victims' family members who broke aconfidentiality agreement and gave their interpretation of sounds they'd heard on the cockpit tape misinterpreted the shattering ofchina. "When a plane goes erratic, china falls."

Now, the most disturbing disconnect of all: The F.A.A. and NORAD hadat least 42 minutes to decide what to do about Flight 93. What reallyhappened?

At 9:30 a.m., six minutes after receiving orders from NORAD, three F-16's were airborne, according to NORAD's timeline. At first, the planes were directed toward New York and probably reached 600 milesper hour within two minutes, said Maj. Gen. Mike J. Haugen, adjutantgeneral of the North Dakota National Guard. Once it was apparent thatthe New York suicide missions were accomplished, the Virginia-basedfighters were given a new flight target: Ronald Reagan WashingtonNational Airport. The pilots heard an ominous squawk over theplane's transponder, a code that indicates almost an emergency wartimefooting. General Haugen says the F-16's were asked to confirm thatthe Pentagon was on fire. The lead flier looked down and verified theworst.

Then the pilots received the most surreal order of the morning, from avoice identifying itself as a representative of the Secret Service.According to General Haugen, the voice said: "I want you toprotect the White House at all costs."

During that time, Vice President Richard Cheney called President George W. Bush to urge him to give the order that any other commercialairliners controlled by hijackers be shot down. In Bob Woodward's book, Bush at War, the time of Mr. Cheney's call was placed before 10 a.m. The Vice President explained to the President that a hijackedairliner was a weapon; even if the airliner was full of civilians, Mr.Cheney insisted, giving American fighter pilots the authority to fireon it was "the only practical answer."

The President responded, according to Mr. Woodward, "Youbet."

Defense officials told CNN on Sept. 16, 2001, that Mr. Bush had notgiven authorization to the Defense Department to shoot down apassenger airliner "until after the Pentagon had beenstruck."

So what happened in the period between just before 10:00 a.m. and10:03 (or 10:06, or 10:07)-when, at some point, the United jetcrashed in a field in Pennsylvania? Did the President act on Mr.Cheney's advice and order the last and potentially most devastatingof airborne missiles brought down before it reached the Capitol? DidMr. Cheney act on the President's O.K.? Did a U.S. fighter shootdown Flight 93? And why all the secrecy surrounding that last flight?

Melody Homer, the wife of Flight 93's first officer, was at home inMarlton, N.J., the morning of Sept. 11 with their 10-month-old child.Within minutes of seeing the second plane turn into a fireball, Ms.Homer called the Flight Operations Center at John F. KennedyInternational Airport, which keeps track of all New York-basedpilots. She was told that her husband's flight was fine.

"Whether or not my husband's plane was shot down," the widowed Mrs. Homer said, "the most angering part is reading about how the President handled this."

Mr. Bush was notified 14 minutes after the first attack, at 9 a.m.,when he arrived at an elementary school in Sarasota, Fla. He went intoa private room and spoke by phone with his national security advisor,Condoleezza Rice, and glanced at a TV in the room. Mrs. Homer's softvoice curdles when she describes his reaction: "I can't getover what Bush said when he was called about the first plane hitting the tower: 'That's some bad pilot.' Why did people on the street assume right away it was a terrorist hijacking, but our President didn't know? Why did it take so long to ground all civilian aircraft? In the time between when my husband's plane took off [at8:41 a.m.] and when the second plane hit in New York [9:02 a.m.], they could have turned back to airfield."

In fact, the pilots of Flight 93 are seldom mentioned in newsreports-only the 40 passengers. And Mrs. Homer says that hurts."My husband fought for his country in the Persian Gulf War, andhe would have seen his role that day as the same thing-fighting forhis country. It's my belief, based on what I've been told by people affiliated with the Air Force, that at least one of the pilotswas very instrumental in the outcome of that flight. I do believe thehijackers may have taken it down. But stalling the impetus of theplane so it didn't make it to the Capitol or the White House-thatwas one of the pilots."

Melody LeRoy later learned from a member of the Air Force who worked with her husband that "a couple of weeks before the incident,they were all sitting around and talking about the intelligence thatwas filtering through the military that something big was going to happen. For all of this to get ignored," she said as sheswallowed a sob, "it's difficult to excuse that."

John Lehman, former Secretary of the Navy and one of the most active interrogators among the commissioners, was told of some of the issues raised in this article. "These are exactly the right questions,"he said. "We have to put all these details together and then figure out what went wrong. Who didn't do their job? Not just whatwas wrong with the existing system, but human beings."

After 14 months of watching while commissioners politely negotiated with a White House that has used every known ruse and invented some new ones to evade, withhold and play peekaboo with the commissioners,the Four Moms and their Families Steering Committee feel frustrated almost to the boiling point.

Who is going to take a long, hard look at the policy failures and the failures of leadership? This seems to be where some members of the 9/11 commission are heading. Commission member Jamie Gorelick, windingup after the two-day hearings in January, said she was "amazedand shocked at how every agency defines its responsibility by leavingout the hard part." She blasted the F.A.A. for ducking anyresponsibility for the prevention of terrorism. "We saw the sameattitude in the F.B.I. and C.I.A.-not to use common sense to evaluate a mission and say what works and what doesn't."

Finally, Ms. Gorelick addressed a pointed question to James Loy, the deputy secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, the vast,Brobdingnagian bureaucracy which now lashes together 22 federal agencies that didn't talk to one another before the terrorist attacks.

"Who is responsible for driving the strategy to defeat Al Qaeda and holding people accountable for carrying it out?" Ms. Gorelick demanded.

"The President is the guy," said Mr. Loy. "And the person next to the President, who is the national security advisor."

The widows are furious that Dr. Rice was allowed to be interviewed in private and has not agreed-nor been subpoenaed-to give hertestimony, under oath, before the American people.

When 9/11 commission chairman Tom Kean gave his sobering assessmentlast December that the 9/11 attacks could have been prevented, the Bush White House saw the bipartisan panel spinning out of its control.In the President's damage-control interview with NBC's Tim Russertlast weekend, Mr. Bush was clearly still unwilling to submit toquestioning by the 9/11 commission. "Perhaps, perhaps," washis negotiating stance.

Asked why he was appointing yet another commission-this one to quellthe uproar over why we attacked Iraq to save ourselves from Saddam'smythical W.M.D.-the President said, "This is a strategic look,kind of a big-picture look about the intelligence-gathering capacitiesof the United States of America ?. Congress has got the capacity tolook at the intelligence-gathering without giving away state secrets,and I look forward to all the investigations and looks."

Congress has already given him a big-picture look-in a scathing 900-page report by the joint House and Senate inquiry into theintelligence failures pre-9/11. But the Bush administration doesn't look at what it doesn't want to see.

"It is incomprehensible why this administration has refused to aggressively pursue the leads that our inquiry developed," fumes Senator Bob Graham, the former co-chairman of the inquiry, which endedin 2003. The Bush White House has ignored all but one or two of the joint inquiry's 19 urgent recommendations to make the nation safer against the next attempted terrorist attack. The White House also allowed large portions of the inquiry's final report to be censored (redacted), claiming national security, so that even some members of the current 9/11 commission - whose mandate was to build on the work of the congressional panel - cannot read the evidence.

Senator Graham snorted, "It's absurd."

You may reach GailSheehy via email at: [email protected] 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: You have no documents, only opinions.
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 810171 
14 Feb 2004 18:22:48
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Abby, it hasn't anything to do with what you DON'T believe ... or even what you DO believe.

It's more about what you say - not what you believe. It's that you parrot Hitler and the other Nazi's by screaming "jewish banking conspiracy" without ever backing it up. It's the "parroting Hitler", not the "not believing in fairy tales" that makes you vile.

That and the fact that you're tough enough to threaten to beat me up, but not tough enough to reveal your identity. Any coward can threaten violence from the shadows. Takes a real man to put his name behind what he says. But you wouldn't know anything about that, eh Champ?

Signed, 

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Abby, please supply the links for your spam
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 810168 
14 Feb 2004 18:17:43
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No link for your KKKut and paste. Are you just throwing spam, or are you interested in people truly challenging or adopting your thinking? 


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BAYER & EXXON HISTORY: Fathers of wars & drugwars
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 809874 
14 Feb 2004 13:22:00
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Starting world wars, inventing horrible weapons, enslaving large populations... 


A brief history of BIG CHEMICAL 

...OR ... 

WHAT THE "petrochemical pharmaceutical military-industrial trans-national fascist corporate elite son-of-a-bitches" DO ON A REGULAR BASIS TO STIMULATE THEIR SYNTHETIC FUEL & MEDICINE MONOPOLIES.

 

Part 1: At the finish line


http://www.couplandcc.freeserve.co.uk/wells.htm

"Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe."
-H.G. Wells (1866-1946), historian and science fiction writer, "The Fate of Homo Sapiens," p. 105, 1920





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When researching the vast ocean of books, magazine articles and internet sites currently devoted to the history of "big chemical," a dramatic fact becomes quickly apparent. There are two main characters. 

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One German, the other American. Other characters might make a guest appearance or serve in a supporting role, but two companies - or, more accurately, cartels - seem to be running the show and calling the shots.


http://www.unclenicks.net/bilderberg/www.bilderberg.org/standard.jpg
http://www.unclenicks.net/bilderberg/www.bilderberg.org/whatafel.htm


History reveals that these cartels dominate, not only the world of synthetic medicines & bio-pharmaceuticals, chemical pesticides, fertilizers & fuels, and chemical & biological weapons, but also banking, media & geopolitics.


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http://www.contreloubli.ch/manuscrit.html

 I am, of course, talking about the German-Swiss synthetic chemical, fuel and drug cartel once known as I.G. Farben, and the American oil, chemical and drug interests surrounding the Rockefellers.

How it all began





"Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains."
-Thomas Jefferson to Horatio Gates Spafford, 17 Mar. 1817, cited in Papers 14:221 (1)





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"Unless you become more watchful in your States and check this spirit of monopoly and thirst for exclusive privileges you will in the end find that the most important powers of Government have been given or bartered away, and the control of your dearest interests have been passed into the hands of these corporations." 
-President Andrew Jackson, Farewell Address, March 4, 1837 (2)





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"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . .corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
-U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864, from a letter to Col. William F. Elkins (3)





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http://www.reformation.org/rockefeller.html
In 1850, an upstate New York farmer named "Old Bill" Rockefeller moved to Cleveland, listed himself as a "physician" in the city directory and began to palm off bottled raw petroleum on the yokels as a cure for cancer.


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 Calling it "Nujol" ("new oil"), it was the beginning of the Rockefeller medicine and energy monopoly - a mega-cartel that truly began when Bill's cunning and determined son John tried his hand at selling oil. (4)



http://www.chemheritage.org/EducationalServices/chemach/cssb/whp01.GIF
In 1856, just six years after "Old Bill" began to play doctor, an 18-year-old English chemistry student named William Henry Perkin stumbled upon a process to make purple dye from coal tar. Until then, all dyes were made from natural sources such as insects, barks, flowers, berries, animal organs and eggs.



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 German chemists eventually made the connection between the mountains of coal tar left over from massive steel production in the Ruhr, and the new, cheaper way to make the costly dyes. Three companies emerged and dominated the new German dye industry - Hoechst, Bayer, and BASF. (5)


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In 1916, Bayer chemist Carl Duisberg would organize a loose association of the eight biggest German chemical companies, and formalize this association in 1925, joining with their Swiss counterparts Ciba, Geigy and Sandoz in 1929. (6) From the beginning, the association was called the "Interessen Gemeinschaft der Deutschen Teerfarbenindustrie" - the "Community of Interest of the German Dyestuff Industry" - I.G. Farben for short.


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The rest of the story will be posted up a little at a time - whenever I need a mental break from my other projects. If you want to read the rest, check out:

www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer



Notes

(1) press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch4I.html

(2) www.aircrash.org/burnelli/ajackson.htm - www.bartleby.com/66/76/30276.html

(3) "Abraham Lincoln: A New Portrait," Vol. 2 by Emanuel Hertz, Horace Liveright Inc, 1931, NY, p. 954. See also: "The Lincoln Encyclopedia," Archer H. Shaw, Macmillan, 1950, NY - www.ratical.org/corporations/Lincoln.html

(4) Bealle, Morris, A., "The Drug Story," 1949, The Hornet's Nest, pp. 5-6

(5) Borkin, Joseph,"The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben," 1978, The Free Press, pp. 4-5

(6) www.chemchannels.com/chemchannel/homepage/General - Type in "Corporate Information - Ciba Specialty Chemicals Holdings Inc. - See also www.bayer.com/en/bayer/history/ug_1925.php
 


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Re: Question: Decrim - "improvement" or "genocide"?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 809539 
14 Feb 2004 02:06:44
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 "What would improve our chances of getting cannabis legalized?"

Not switching to tickets and forced treatment, that's for sure.





"Bill C-38 will make "some" people think its legal! Therefor more people will use it."

That didn't happen with the 11 U.S. states that decriminalized. That didn't happen with Bill C-8 in Canada - the last Liberal "decrim" bill.





"But if they are getting spin that bill c-38 makes cannabis illegal less people will smoke."

People smoke regardless of what the law is. The difference will be the increased punishments for growers and dealers, and the increased total number of people punished.




"Do you understand the logic behind my thinking now Dave?"

Yes. It's totally screwed up, history-ignoring logic.




"More people using cannabis the better! Overgrow the government works!"

You don't understand the danger of mass ticketing and forced treatment.





"Or you have begun to believe your own propaganda. That this is bad for the street user in say alberta?"

I always believe my own propaganda, because it's accurate and persuasive.

I've been saying for a long time decrim sucks. See my post in "counter-counterspin" on the subject for a whack of evidence suggesting that "decrim" (descrim) is the same scam they've been pulling on us for over thirty years.


  


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Re: Question: Decrim - "improvement" or "genocide"?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 808789 
13 Feb 2004 17:46:45
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"We are after the same thing this should not surprise anyone. However whats at issue is how do we create a sustainable and just world?"

Since you dropped the issue of "what is genocide", I'll assume you now understand it to mean more than just killing swiftly a group of people.

 
"Your answer is organics and cannabis, lovely answer however there won't be enough food produced using that method to feed the worlds population."

Where do you get that? If we all eat less meat, there will be plenty of farmland for veggie proteins. If we adopt more civil methods of population control (ie learn from societies that have zero population growth - many researchers feel a decent standard of living is essential to prevent people from having 12 kids as a form of social security) then we can live sustainably on this planet.


"We could give all the staving people a joint but that would not solve their hunger. Tell me dave who would choose who gets to live and who would be condemned to starve to death?"

Your Malthusian outlook resembles the TV program "survivor" more than it does reality. Your outlook does not reflect the realities of the zero-population growth societies that cover the globe:
 

zero population growth

A condition in which a population neither grows nor declines, because the number of births in a year equals the number of deaths. Many industrialized countries have relatively low birth and death rates, and a steady but small population growth. 

http://www.bartleby.com/59/17/zeropopulati.html
  
 One of the most common 'explanations' offered to us is that there are simply too many people. Hunger is one of the many social failures ascribed to 'the population problem.' I'm sure you can find faculty members on practically every college campus who believe overpopulation is the cause of hunger, and not a few who teach it. 

The time-honored argument to support this view, which goes back to Malthus (1766-1834), is that population tends to grow at a faster rate than that at which the food supply can be increased. Ecologist Paul Ehrlich of Stanford University, founder of the group Zero Population Growth, is a prominent propagandist for the idea that overpopulation is the principle cause of much social misery in the world. 

I use the term propagandist not as a derogatory label, but in the sense of its historic meaning, someone who advocates the correctness of ideas which are not simple indisputable facts. A propagandist may sincerely believe the ideas he or she is advocating, or may knowingly argue for viewpoints he or she disbelieves, for some purpose other than seeking to establish truth. I am confident that Ehrlich believes what he says. I am equally confident that the paid propagandists in the advertising agencies who compose full-page newspaper advertisements for the tobacco industry that equate their clients' freedom from regulation with 'the American way of life' do not believe what they write. I regard myself a propagandist for those ideas I believe to be true.

One such belief, for the correctness of which I could provide quite convincing evidence, is that up until now, 1995, 'overpopulation' is not the cause of widespread hunger. The true explanation, I believe, is much more insidious, and the reason why a false explanation is widely disseminated, through colleges and universities as well as by other means, is to hide the real reasons, to make them obscure.

Google/Need for Anarchism 

"Bill C-38 sucks but its as good as its going to get from this government like it or not. "

If it sucks, we should not support it - because it very well be much worse than no change at all. It was designed to remove the economic bottle-neck that prevents mass arrests. Nothing is worth removing the bottleneck - once mass arrests begin, it's impossible to put that genie back in the bottle.


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Re: Why organics?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 808760 
13 Feb 2004 17:19:25
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I encourage organics because I believe that radioactivity is the main cause of lung damage and soil damage, and so far, all the tests I've done or heard of indicates that all chemical (and a few organic) fertilizers are unnecessarily high in radioactivity. 

If radioactivity is the most dangerous thing about cannabis, then we have a duty to our customers (and our planet earth) to keep it to a minimum.

Plus the fact that, if you do it right, it's just as cheap, just as productive and twice as potent and tasty as chemical ferts. For example, the "I AM CANABIAN" commercial on Pot TV was shot with organic buds:

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2433.html

There are many other examples of high-production, high-quality organic buds:


http://www.medicalmarihuana.ca/product.html


VICS Organic Cannabis: 15+% THC
http://safeaccess.ca/research/HCvsVICSpics.htm

http://www.overgrow.com/edge/showthread/t-49797-p-2.html


http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2400.html

 


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Hemp will save the planet
Re: Hemp, Nazis & American Corporations - the rest
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 808738 
13 Feb 2004 16:55:03
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THE NEW WORLD (DIS)ORDER

 

Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time - By Carroll Quigley, Second Printing - Wm. Morrison, NY. 1974 

The American Establishment - By Leonard Silk & Mark Silk, First Discus Printing - Avon Books (by arrangement with Basic Books), NY. 1981 

The New Germany and the Old Nazis - By T.H. Tetens - Random House, NY. 1961 

Blowback: America's Recruitment of Nazi's and Its Effect on the Cold War - By Christopher Simpson - Weidenfeld & Nicolson, NY. 1988 

Unholy Trinity: The Vatican, the Nazis, and Soviet Intelligence - By Mark Aarons & John Loftus, First U.S. Edition - St. Martin's Press, NY. 1992 

Conspiracies, Cover-Ups and Crimes: From JFK to the CIA Terrorist Connection - By Jonathan Vankin - Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing Group, Inc., NY. 1992
 

RICHARD MILHOUSE NIXON

 

High Treason: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy and the New Evidence of Conspiracy - By Robert J. Groden and Harrison Edward Livingstone, Berkley Edition - Berkley Books, NY. 1990
 

GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH

 

Censored: The News That Didn't Make the News - And Why - By Carl Jensen - Shelburne Press, Inc., NY. 1993
 

 

Dedicated to the principals of an open discussion of the issues. 


Copy and distribute freely. Please credit direct quotations where appropriate. 


R. William Davis - Founder and Director, The Elkhorn Project 


"Restoring Kentucky's Proud Heritage and Bright Future" 


All email responses should be directed to: [email protected] 


Hemp for Victory! 


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Hemp will save the planet
Hemp, Nazis & American Corporations part 2
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 808737 
13 Feb 2004 16:53:32
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"Such instances turned out to be only the tip of the iceberg. It has long been acknowledged that it was Allen Dulles who tipped off General Patton about the buried German treasure that lay in the path of the U.S. Third Army. Patton explicitly urged General Eisenhower to conceal as much of the gold as possible, but his advice was refused. 


"Our sources claim that Dulles and his colleagues exerted a great deal of influence to ensure that Western investments in Nazi Germany were not seized by the Allies as reparations for the Jews. After all, much of 'Hitler's Gold' had originally belonged to the bankers in London and New York. The . . . captured Nazi loot went underground. . . . 


"In the cause of anticommunism, and to retrieve its own investments in Germany, the Vatican agreed to become part of Dulles's smuggling window, through which the Nazis and their treasure could be moved to safety." (10)

 

On April 12th, 1945, Roosevelt died, and Truman became President. May 7th, Nazi Germany surrendered after the suicide of Adolf Hitler. September 2nd, Japan surrendered. 


World War II finally ended, but at the cost of more than 35,000,000 lives, over half that amount civilians. The death toll for the United States was 294,000. (11) 


A PLEDGE BETRAYED

 

"Dulles and some of his friends volunteered for postwar service with the government not out of patriotism but of necessity," according to Loftus and Aarons. "They had to be in positions of power to suppress the evidence of their own dealings with the Nazis. The Safehaven investigation was quickly stripped from Treasury . . . and turned over to the State Department. There Dulles's friends shredded the index to the interlocking corporations and blocked further investigations. 


"Dulles had this goal in mind: Not a single American businessman was ever going to be convicted of treason for helping the Nazis. None ever was, despite the evidence. According to one of our sources in the intelligence community, the U.S. Army Counter Intelligence Corps had two large 'Civilian Internment Centers' in Occupied Germany, code named 'Ashcan' and 'Dustbin.' The CIC had identified and captured a large number of U.S. citizens who had stayed in Germany and aided the Third Reich all through World War II. The evidence of their treason was overwhelming. The captured German records were horribly incriminating. 


"Yet Victor Wohreheide, the young Justice Department attorney responsible for preparing the treason trials, suddenly ordered the prisoners' release. All of the Nazi collaborators were allowed to return to the United States and reclaim their citizenship. At the same time, another Justice Department attorney, O. John Rogge, who dared to make a speech about Nazi collaborators in the United States was quickly fired. However, the attorney who buried the treason cases was later promoted to special assistant attorney general. 


"Dulles and his clients had won. The proof is in the bottom line. Forty years after World War II, Fortune magazine published a list of the hundred richest men in the world. There were no Jews on the list. The great fortunes of the Rothschilds and Warburgs had been diminished to insignificance by the Depression, the Nazis, and World War II. 


"Near the top of the list were several multibillionaires who had been prominent members of Hitler's inner circle. A few even had served time in Allied prisons as Nazi war criminals, but they were all released quickly. The bottom line is that the Nazi businessmen survived the war with their fortunes intact and rebuilt their industrial empires to become the richest men in the world. Dulles's clients got away with it. President Roosevelt's dream of putting the Nazis' moneymen on trial died with him."

 

England also failed to see justice done, according to the authors: "The British authorities in Germany ordered the U.S. Army to release all of the VIP British Nazis and hand over the evidence against them. Even before Roosevelt's death, Churchill had already begun to withdraw from his commitment to prosecute Nazis." The reason?" Too many British industries might be seized as Nazi fronts. Too many upper-class collaborators might have to be prosecuted. The Germans were defeated, and the Soviets were now the enemy.

 

"Funding for British war crimes investigations suddenly dried up. Nazi bankers such as Herman Abs were released from prison to work as economic advisers in the British zone of Germany. The history of British 'efforts' to punish Nazis after the war is aptly summarized in Tom Bower's book, 'The Pledge betrayed'. . . . 


"The pattern was repeated all over the remnants of the Third Reich. Despite direct orders from President Truman and General Eisenhower, I.G. Farben, the citadel of the Nazi industrialists, was never dismantled. Dulles's clients demanded, and received, Allied compensation for bomb damage to their factories in Germany. Only a few of the top Nazis were executed. Most of the rest were released from prison within a few years. Others, . . . would go virtually unpunished. No one ever investigated the Nazi sympathizers in Western intelligence who had made it all possible." (12)

 

As we have seen, the American industrialists who did business with the Nazis were in no way inconvenienced by war crimes trials, and even received compensation for damages to their Nazi war plants. Some Nazi industrialists were charged and convicted by the Nuremberg war crimes trials but, in their book, "The American Establishment," authors Leonard and Mark Silk observe that in the late 1940s "the United States and its leaders faced an agonizing moral problem in coming to terms with those German industrialists who had willingly done business with the Nazis and who were now just as willing to do business with the Americans in the reconstruction of Germany. The problem was dramatized when those German industrialists who had been convicted of war crimes at Nuremberg were all released from Landsberg prison in early 1951, their sentences commuted by the American High Commissioner [of German Occupation], John J. McCloy. 


". . . . Whatever the motivation," the authors continue, "the blanket release of the convicted industrialists was taken within Germany - and by them - as a sign that businessmen were not to be seriously blamed for their involvement in matters for which others were hanged or suffered long imprisonment." (13) 


The motivation for the mass release of imprisoned Nazi war criminals is described in the book, "The New Germany and the Old Nazis," by T.H. Tetens, an expert in German affairs. 


Tetens observes that in "1950, when Washington showed its eagerness to create a new German army of 500,000 men, the SS [at that time reorganized into a neo-Nazi front group called HIAG, which stands for 'mutual assistance,' a so-called veterans organization], together with the old Wehrmacht officers, started an all-out campaign for the immediate release of all war criminals. It was a superbly organized blackmail action, enjoying wide support from the public, from all parties, and carried toward success by Dr. Adenauer's astute maneuverings. 


"The Chancellor suggested an inconspicuous way to solve the problem with 'parole,' 'sick leave,' and other roundabout methods. The more the U.S. High Commission in Germany showed leniency, however, the stronger the pressure became: either 'all so-called war criminals are released or there will be no German army.' American diplomats followed Dr. Adenauer's plan to feed the nationalistic monster piecemeal. Every few days we quietly released one or two more from prison - the Krupps, the I.G. Farben directors, and dozens of former Wehrmacht Generals. On friendly advice from Washington, the British and the French, extremely reluctant, had to follow suit. When the supply dried up, there remained behind bars only the SS, the mass murderers from Dachau, Belsen, and Buchenwald, and the toughs from the Waffen SS who had massacred American, British, and Canadian prisoners of war. This put High Commissioner John McCloy in a most embarrassing position. . . ." 


Tetens explains how Chancellor Adenauer helped High Commissioner McCloy and the U.S. State Department avoid this embarrassment: Adenauer "suggested the formation of a review board, with three German members sitting in and having equal voice in making recommendations. The whole procedure was to be shrouded in secrecy, and it was decided that the names of those released should not be revealed to the public. In this way the last few hundred 'poor devils,' those SS mass killers and sadists, were quietly set free within two or three years." (14) 


Christopher Simpson, in his extensively documented book on the subject of U.S. recruitment of Nazis, "Blowback," goes into more detail of the backgrounds of those released: 


"The beneficiaries of this act included, for example, all of the convicted concentration camp doctors; all of the top judges who had administered the Nazis' 'special courts'" and dozens of similar cases. In addition, "McCloy's clemency decisions for the Landsberg inmates set in motion a much broader process that eventually freed hundreds of other convicted Nazi war criminals over the next five years. . . . By the winter of 1950-1951 the most senior levels of the U.S. government had decided to abrogate their wartime pledge to bring Nazi war criminals to justice. . . . in the interests of preserving West German military support for American leadership in the cold war. While nazism and Hitler's inner circle continued to be publicly condemned throughout the West, the actual investigation and prosecution of specific Nazi crimes came to a standstill." (15) 


One case merits special attention: Sepp Dietrich, "the organizer of the Fuehrer's bodyguard. Dietrich carried out Hitler's personal murder assignments" and, Tetens continues, "was in charge of the liquidation of the Jewish population in the city of Kharkov. During the Battle of the Bulge his troops committed the Malmedy massacre, killing more than 600 military and civilian prisoners, among them 115 American G.I.s. He was sentenced to death, and the sentence was later commuted to life imprisonment. In 1955 he was one of the last poor devils' quietly released from prison and greeted by the Bonn government with the homecoming pay of 6,000 marks." (16) 


In a "New York Times" article published February 1, 1951, one prominent American expressed support for the reduction of sentences for those responsible for the mass murder of the 600 unarmed prisoners of war at Malmedy, describing the decision as "extremely wise." The American was Senator Joseph McCarthy, Republican from Wisconsin. 


Tetens observes that, despite the wide-spread fear by "the French, the British, and the smaller European countries" of a re-militarized Germany, "the outbreak of the Korean War (June 1950) brought a total change. The provisions which banned all military and veterans' organizations lost all their meaning and were no longer enforced. Western Germany was allowed by the Allies to set up its own General Staff, camouflaged under the name Blank Office. Supported by Bonn and tolerated by the United States, a nation-wide network was created to reactivate the experienced officers and the man power of the old Wehrmacht. The short period of 1950-51 must be marked as the time when Hitler's old officers, SS leaders, and [Nazi] party functionaries returned to power and influence." (17) 


Tetens' comment that the Nazi's return to power in Germany was "tolerated by the United States" was a historical understatement. By the time Tetens' book was published in 1961, hundreds of convicted Nazi war criminals had already been smuggled out of Germany to avoid prosecution at the war crimes trials at Nuremberg, recruited by, and on the payroll of several U.S. government agencies, including the Army CIC, the OSS, and the Office of Policy Coordination within the State Department. 


Over the past fifty years, it is now documented, these Americanized fugitive Nazi war criminals have been involved in, and in many cases in charge of, many U.S. government covert operations -- international weapons smuggling, drug cartels, Central American death squads, right wing anti-communist dictatorships, LSD mind control experiments -- the Republican National Committee's Ethnic Heritage Councils, and the Presidential campaigns of Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and George Bush. 


THE GEHLEN ORGANIZATION 


Probably the most influential Nazi to come to work for the United States intelligence agencies during the Cold War was named Gehlen. 


"Reinhard Gehlen," writes author Christopher Simpson, "Hitler's most senior military intelligence officer on the eastern front, had begun planning his surrender to the United States at least as early as the fall of 1944." Of "several hundred" high-ranking Nazi officers who switched sides at the end of World War II, Gehlen "proved to be the most important of them all. 


"In early March 1945 Gehlen and a small group of his most senior officers carefully microfilmed the vast holdings on the USSR in the . . . military intelligence section of the German army's general staff. They packed the film in watertight steel drums and secretly buried it in remote mountain meadows scattered through the Austrian Alps. Then, on May 22, 1945, Gehlen and his top aides surrendered to an American Counter-intelligence Corps [CIC] team." (18) 


According to Tetens: ". . . [Gehlen] immediately asked for an interview with the commanding officer . . ." and offered the United States "his intelligence staff, spy apparatus, and the priceless files for future service." 


Gehlen was sent to Washington and his offer was taken. "The Pentagon-Gehlen agreement," states Tetens, "in practice guaranteed the continuation of the all-important Abwehr division of the German General Staff. Hundreds of German army and SS officers were quietly released from internment camps and joined Gehlen's headquarters in the Spessart Mountains in central Germany. When the staff had grown to three thousand men, the Bureau Gehlen opened a closely guarded twenty-five-acre compound near Pullach, south of Munich, operating under the innocent name of the South German Industrial Development Organization. . . . 


"Within a few years the Gehlen apparatus had grown by leaps and bounds. In the early fifties it was estimated that the organization employed up to 4,000 intelligence specialists in Germany, mainly former army and SS officers, and that more than 4,000 V-men (undercover agents) were active throughout the Soviet-bloc countries. Gehlen's spy network stretches from Korea to Cairo, from Siberia to Santiago de Chile. . . . When the Federal Republic [of West Germany] became a sovereign state in 1955, the Bureau Gehlen was openly recognized as the official intelligence arm of the Bonn government." (19) 


How important was the Gehlen Org, as it became known, to the history of the Cold War? Simpson's research documents that it was perhaps the most significant element of all:

 

". . . . The Org became the most important eyes and ears for U.S. intelligence inside the closed societies of the Soviet bloc. 'In 1946 [U.S.] intelligence files on the Soviet Union were virtually empty,' says Harry Rositzke, the CIA's former chief of espionage inside the Soviet Union. '. . . . Rositzke worked closely with Gehlen during the formative years of the CIA and credits Gehlen's organization with playing a "primary role" in filling the empty file folders during that period. . . .' 


"'Gehlen had to make his money by creating a threat that we were afraid of,' says Victor Marchetti, formerly the CIA's chief analyst of Soviet strategic war plans and capabilities, 'so we would give him more money to tell us about it.' He continues: 'In my opinion, the Gehlen Organization provided nothing worthwhile for the understanding or estimating Soviet military or political capabilities in Eastern Europe or anywhere else.' Employing Gehlen was 'a waste of time, money, and effort, except that maybe he had some CI [counter- intelligence] value, because practically everybody in his organization was sucking off both tits.'" (20) 


By 'sucking off both tits' Marchetti is referring to the fact that Gehlen's elaborate operation was penetrated by Soviet spies at the very time it was our most important source of intelligence upon which the Cold War was based. In fact, the Communists had infiltrated Nazi intelligence long before Gehlen switched sides. 


TRIPLE CROSS 


"In each generation," write Aarons and Loftus,"Soviet intelligence created 'anti-Communist' emigre front groups, ostensibly to foment revolution and topple Bolshevism. The front groups attracted support from the West. Considerable financial assistance was supplied and close ties forged with various Western intelligence services. This enabled the Communist double agents running the front groups to co-opt the legitimate emigre opposition, splinter their leadership and provoke them into premature and poorly organized rebellions which were easily defeated. More importantly, the false front groups were a vehicle for long-term Soviet penetration of Western society. . . ." 


The authors identify one of these groups as the Narodny Trudovoi Soyuz (NTS), or the People's Labour Alliance. The NTS represented itself as a group of anti-communist "moles" inside the Kremlin and, in the 1920s, recruited a Communist agent named Prince Anton Vasilevich Turkel. Turkel, who actually worked for Soviet Military intelligence (GRU), went on to penetrate French, Japanese, Italian, British, German, and even the Vatican intelligence services before the end of World War II. 


"After World War II, Turkel worked for West German intelligence (the Gehlen Org), collaborated with many of the spy services of NATO, including the American Military Intelligence Service (MIS - for offensive intelligence), the US Army Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC - for defensive purposes), the ultra-secret State Department Office of Policy Co-ordination and the Central Intelligence Agency. . ." (21) 


"Just before World War II began," according to the authors, "an Austrian Jew named Richard Kauder created a secret intelligence network, code named MAX." Kauder, using the name of [Max] Klatt - Turkel's intelligence chief ["Unholy Trinity," Aarons and Loftus, p. 166] - "worked exclusively for Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, the German spy chief who collaborated with the Vatican and the British to topple Hitler during the war [the group known as the Black Orchestra]." 


The Nazis thought the Max network was made up of "so-called Fascist Jews" who "were willing to spy against the Soviet Union, not for the glory of the Third Reich but to save themselves and their families from the concentration camps." The Max network was supposed to have had "the only communication link to a secret network of 'White' Russian Fascists inside the Kremlin [Turkel's NTS], who had supposedly infiltrated Stalin's military headquarters prior to World War II." But, the authors continue, "the Max network was not made up of Fascist Jews. They were, in fact, Communist Jews who risked their lives inside the heart of the Third Reich's intelligence service." 


The Max network actually misled the Nazis, feeding them false intelligence on the capabilities and intentions of the Soviet Union, leading "the Nazi divisions into a series of death traps on the Eastern front." The Max double-agents were responsible for the Nazis defeats at Stalingrad, "the giant battle of Kursk where Hitler's tank divisions were slaughtered. The final sting," continue the authors, "was to mislead Germany into believing that the Red army was on the verge of collapse in 1944, when in fact the Soviets were preparing for the most massive onslaught of the war. 


"It would not be an exaggeration to say that the 'Fascist Jews' of the Max network did more to defeat the German army than all the Western intelligence services combined. Seventy percent of all Hitler's divisions were destroyed on the Eastern front, largely as a result of the misleading intelligence supplied by Max." (22) 


When Gehlen was recruited by the United States, Allen Dulles ordered the ex-Nazi spymaster to "revive the Max network." Gehlen already had plans to do just that, intending "to make Turkel's Max network the centerpiece of his new West German intelligence agency. As soon as a Republican president was elected in the United States, Dulles intended to take over the CIA and make Gehlen and Turkel the heart of his anti-Soviet network. The Soviets, of course, were delighted as they watched Dulles and Gehlen attempt to plant a Communist spy ring in the heart of Western intelligence. . . .

 

". . . [E]ventually, in 1956, the Allies decided that the whole thing had been a giant Soviet-controlled operation. Dozens of operations, hundreds of agents, thousands of innocent civilians had been betrayed. . . . 


". . . [T]hree years after Dulles became head of CIA in 1953, his pet 'Fascist,' Turkel, broadcast the CIA codes to start the Hungarian uprising prematurely. Thousands of innocent Hungarians rushed on to the streets of Budapest to start the revolution. Instead of American paratroopers dropping supplies, they found Soviet tanks waiting in the suburbs."

 

By 1959, the collapse of Dulles's spy network was almost total: "U.S. Military Intelligence admitted to the National Security Council that it did not have a single network of couriers or safe houses left in Communist territory, apart from East Germany. Dulles's Nazi 'freedom fighters' had sold him out." (23) 


COLD WARRIORS 


It was Harry Rositze who best described the attitude of the United States military-intelligence establishment after the end of World War II: "Any bastard as long as he was anti-Communist." Rositze, the "former head of secret operations inside the USSR" for the CIA, was correct. (24) 


We have seen that many Nazis - including those who committed atrocities - returned to positions of power and influence inside Germany after the war. Unknown until fairly recently was the extent of Nazi recruitment by U.S. intelligence agencies and political organizations, in the 1940s and 1950s. 


Perhaps the most publicized program of Nazi recruitment is that of Project Paperclip, which involved the collection of Nazi rocket scientists and facilities, all of which were later incorporated into the U.S. Space Program. Klaus Barbie's employment by the U.S. State Department in the 1940s is another well-known incident. Barbie, head of the Gestapo in Lyons, France, was known as the "Butcher of Lyons" and was sought by the French Government for atrocities committed against French Resistance fighters captured by the Nazis. Barbie was recruited as a U.S. intelligence "asset" in 1947 by one branch of the State Department's Counter-intelligence Corps (CIC), while another branch, the Operation Selection Board, a joint U.S./British project, was trying to put him in prison for war crimes. 


Eventually, according to Aarons and Loftus, "Barbie's employment (and protection) by the Americans began to reach French newspapers and politicians at least as early as 1948. They, in turn brought increasing pressure on the U.S. government through publicity and eventually through official notes requesting Barbie's extradition from Germany. That, in the final analysis, is why the CIC chose to provide Barbie with a new identity and safe passage to Argentina in 1951, while thousands of other ex-Nazis who had been 'of interest' to the CIC at one time or another have simply lived out their lives in Germany. If the CIC had dumped Barbie when the French government began requesting his extradition, he would have had plenty of compromising things to say about the CIC. . ." (25) 


But when Barbie was eventually captured by Bolivian authorities in the early 1980s, and returned to France to face charges of war crimes, the U.S. government was forced to conduct an investigation into the Barbie affair. The official position? ". . . [T]his investigation concluded that the United States had indeed protected Barbie in Europe and engineered his escape but that Barbie was the only such Nazi who had been assisted in this fashion." (26) 


As documented previously, this statement was false. Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Nazis were employed by the several U.S. agencies, from the CIC to the CIA, and used in covert operations overseas, as our first line of defense against Communism. Others, equally as guilty of wartime atrocities, were brought into the United States for domestic political purposes. This aspect of the U.S.-Nazi connection is well-documented, and deserves closer attention by the mainstream press. 


One of the first researchers to reveal the connections between the U.S. government and the Nazis, was a lady named Mae Brussell of Carmel, California. Her career as a conspiracy researcher and host of the weekly radio program "World Watchers International" began with the Kennedy assassination. "In ferreting out every morsel from the Warren Report," writes Jonathan Vankin, author of the book "Conspiracies, Cover-ups and Crimes," "supplementing her research with untold amounts of reading from the 'New York Times' to 'Soldier of Fortune,' Brussell discovered not merely a conspiracy of a few renegade CIA agents, Mafiosi, and Castro haters behind Kennedy's death, but a vast, invisible institutional structure layered into the very fabric of the U.S. political system.

 

"Comprising the government within a government were not just spies, gangsters, and Cubans, but Nazis. Mae found that many of the commission witnesses -- whose testimony established Oswald as a lone nut' -- had never even spoken to Oswald, or knew him only slightly. The bulk of them were White Russian emigres living in Dallas. Extreme in their anti-Communism, they were often affiliated with groups set up by the SS in World War II -- Eastern European ethnic armies used by the Nazis to carry out their dirtiest work. 


"Brussell also discovered an episode from history rarely reported in the media, and not often taught in universities. Those same collaborationist groups were absorbed by United States intelligence agencies. They hooked up with the spy net of German General Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler's Eastern Front espionage chief."

 

"'This is a story of how key Nazis . . . anticipated military disaster and laid plans to transplant nazism, intact but disguised, in havens in the West,' wrote Mae Brussell in 1983. She didn't author too many articles, but this one, 'The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination' (in 'The Rebel,' a short-lived political magazine published by 'Hustler' impresario Larry Flynt), was definitive, albeit convoluted. 


"'It is a story that climaxes in Dallas on November 22, 1963, when John Kennedy was struck down,' Brussell's article continued. 'And it is a story with an aftermath -- America's slide to the brink of Fascism.'" 


Mae Brussell quit broadcasting her radio show in Spring of 1988, after receiving a death threat from a "man who is said to have identified himself as 'a fascist and proud of it.'" 


The last project she worked on, before her death from cancer on October 3, 1988, writes the author, "was a study of Satanic cults -- within the U.S. military. The hidden fascist oligarchy had progressed far beyond the need for patsies like Oswald. They were now able, Brussell asserted, to hypnotically program assassins. 


"Satanic cults are the state of the art in brainwashing. With drugs, sex, and violence, they strip any semblance of moral thought. They are perfect for use in creating killers. The United States military, Brussell found, was using them." (27) 


 

NOTES: THE NEW WORLD (DIS)ORDER

 
One Thousand Americans, George Seldes, p. 5-6 
The Secret War Against the Jews, Loftus and Aarons, p. 71 
Ibid., pp. 73-74 
Ibid., pp. 75-76 
Ibid., p. 77 
Ibid., p. 78 
Ibid., pp. 79-80 
Ibid., pp. 82-83 
Ibid., pp. 84-85 
Ibid., pp. 85-86 
Tragedy and Hope, Prof. Carrol Quigley, p. 827 
Secret War Against the Jews, pp. 100-102 
The American Establishment, Leonard and Mark Silk, p. 249 
The New Germany and the Old Nazis, T.H. Tetens, pp. 99-102 
Blowback: America's recruitment of Nazis and its effects on the Cold War, Christopher Simpson, pp. 191-192 
The New Germany and the Old Nazis, p. 103 
Ibid., pp. 112-113 
Blowback, pp. 40-41 
The New Germany and the Old Nazis, pp. 42-43 
Blowback, pp. 54-55 
Unholy Trinity, Mark Aarons and John Loftus, pp. 151-152 
The Secret War Against the Jews, pp. 135-136 
Ibid., pp. 151-152 
Blowback, p. 159 
Ibid., pp. 187-189 
Ibid., pp. 192-193 
Conspiracies, Cover-ups and Crimes, Jonathan Vankin, pp. 101-104
 

 

RICHARD MILHOUSE NIXON 


In this section we will explore the Nazi connections of Richard Nixon. To do so we must return to the years just after the end of World War II and, of course, a man named Dulles. 


The irony of Nixon's political career ending with a cover-up can only be appreciated with the knowledge that this turbulent career also began with one. Loftus and Aarons state that: 


"According to several of our sources among the 'old spies,' Richard Nixon's political career began in 1945, when he was the navy officer temporarily assigned to review . . . captured Nazi documents." The documents in question revealed the wartime record of Karl Blessing, "former Reichsbank officer and then head of the Nazi oil cartel, Kontinentale Ol A.G. 'Konti' was in partnership with Dulles's principal Nazi client, I.G. Farben. Both companies had despicable records regarding their treatment of Jews during the Holocaust. After the war Dulles not only 'lost' Blessings Nazi party records, but he helped peddle a false biography in the ever-gullible 'New York Times.'" 


The authors' sources reveal that not only did Dulles help cover up his Nazi client's record, he "personally vouched for Blessing as an anti-Nazi in order to protect continued control of German oil interests in the Middle East. Blessing's Konti was the Nazi link to Iben Saud [King of Saudi Arabia] and Aramco [the Arabian- American Oil Company]. If Blessing went down, he could have taken a lot of people with him, including Allen Dulles. The cover-up worked, except that U.S. Naval Intelligence scrutinized a set of the captured Konti records." 


According to the "old spies," Allen Dulles made a deal with the young navy officer who was reviewing the Konti files - Richard Nixon. Nixon would help Dulles bury the Konti files. In return, Allen Dulles "arranged to finance [Nixon's] first congressional campaign against Jerry Voorhis." (1) 


Dulles's support for Nixon paid off in 1947 when, as the freshman congressman from California, he "saved John Foster Dulles considerable embarrassment by privately pointing out that confidential government files showed that one of Foster's foundation employees, Alger Hiss, was allegedly a Communist. The Dulles brothers took Nixon under their wing and escorted him on a tour of Fascist 'freedom fighter' operations in Germany, apparently in anticipation that the young congressman would be useful after Dewey became president." [He would be useful anyway, despite the fact that incumbent President Truman won reelection in 1948, defeating Dewey.] (2) 


After Truman's victory, write the authors, "Nixon became Allen Dulles's mouthpiece in Congress. Both he and Senator Joseph McCarthy received volumes of classified information to support the charge that the Truman administration was filled with 'pinkos.' When McCarthy went too far in his Communist investigations, it was Nixon who worked with his next-door neighbor, CIA director Bedell Smith, to steer the investigations away from the intelligence community.

 

"The CIA was grateful for Nixon's assistance, but did not know the reason for it. Dulles had been recruiting Nazis under the cover of the State Department's Office of Policy Coordination, whose chief, Frank Wisner, had systematically recruited the Eastern European emigre networks that had worked first for the SS, then the British, and finally Dulles. 


"The CIA did not know it, but Dulles was bringing them to the United States less for intelligence purposes than for political advantage. The Nazis' job quickly became to get out the vote for the Republicans. One Israeli intelligence officer joked that when Dulles used the phrase 'Never Again,' he was not talking about the Holocaust but about Dewey's narrow loss to Truman. In the eyes of the Israelis, Allen Dulles was the demon who infected Western intelligence with Nazi recruits. 


"In preparation for the 1952 Eisenhower-Nixon campaign, the Republicans formed an Ethnic Division, which, to put it bluntly, recruited the 'displaced Fascists' who arrived in the United States after World War II. Like similar migrant organizations in several Western countries, the Ethnic Division attracted a significant number of Central and Eastern European Nazis, who had been recruited by the SS as political and police leaders during the Holocaust. These Fascist emigres supported the Eisenhower-Nixon 'liberation' policy as the quickest means of getting back into power in their former homelands and made a significant contribution 'in its first operation (1951/1952).'"

 

The authors point out that "over the years the Democrats had acquired one or two Nazis of their own, such as Tscherim Soobzokov, a former member of the Caucasian SS who worked as a party boss in New Jersey. But in 90 percent of the cases, the members of Hitler's political organization went to the Republicans. In fact, from the very beginning, the word had been put around among Eastern European Nazis that Dulles and Nixon were the men to see, especially if you were a rich Fascist . . ." (3) 


This relationship between Richard Nixon and the Nazis developed because both he and Allen Dulles "blamed Governor Dewey's razor-thin loss to Truman in the 1948 presidential election on the Jewish vote. When [Nixon] became Eisenhower's vice president in 1952, Nixon was determined to build his own ethnic base.

 

"Vice President Nixon's secret political war of Nazis against Jews in American politics was never investigated at the time. The foreign language-speaking Croatian and other Fascist emigre groups had a ready-made network for contacting and mobilizing the Eastern European ethnic bloc. There is a very high correlation between CIA domestic subsidies to Fascist 'freedom fighters' during the 1950s and the leadership of the Republican party's ethnic campaign groups. The motive for under-the-table financing was clear: Nixon used Nazis to offset the Jewish vote for the Democrats. 


"In 1952 Nixon had formed an Ethnic Division within the Republican National Committee. 'Displaced Fascists, hoping to be returned to power by an Eisenhower-Nixon "liberation" policy signed on' with the committee. In 1953, when Republicans were in office, the immigration laws were changed to admit Nazis, even members of the SS. They flooded into the country. Nixon himself oversaw the new immigration program. As vice president, he even received Eastern European Fascists in the White House. After a long, long journey, the Croatian Nazis had found a new home in the United States, where they reestablished their networks. 


"In 1968 Nixon promised that if he won the presidential election, he would create a permanent ethnic council within the Republican party. Previously the Ethnic Division was allowed to surface only during presidential campaigns. Nixon's promise was carried out after the 1972 election, during [George] Bush's tenure as chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Croatian Ustashis became an integral part of the campaign structure of Republican politics, along with several other Fascist organizations." (4)

 

The authors describe Nixon's pro-Nazi activities in no uncertain terms: "Nixon himself personally recruited ex-Nazis for his 1968 presidential campaign. Moreover, Vice President Nixon became the point man for the Eisenhower administration on covert operations and personally supervised Allen Dulles's projects while Ike was ill in 1956 and 1957." (5) 


One of the Nazis recruited by candidate Nixon was Laszlo Pasztor, described by Aarons and Loftus as "the founding chair of Nixon's Republican Heritage Groups council" who, "during World War II . . . was a diplomat in Berlin representing the Arrow Cross government of Nazi Hungary, which supervised the extermination of the Jewish population.

 

"[A]fter Nixon won [the 1968 Presidential Election], he approved Pasztor's appointment as chief organizer of the ethnic council. Not surprisingly, Pasztor's 'choices for filling emigre slots as the council was being formed included various Nazi collaborationist organizations.' The former Fascists were coming out of the closet in droves. 


"The policy of the Nixon White House was an 'open door' for emigre Fascists, and through the door came such guests as Ivan Docheff, head of the Bulgarian National Front and chairman of the American Friends of the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations (ABN). . . . an organization dominated by war criminals and fugitive Fascists. Yet Nixon welcomed them with open arms and even had Docheff to breakfast for a prayer meeting to celebrate Captive Nations Week." (6) 


"During Nixon's 'Four More Years' campaign in 1971-1972, Laszlo Pasztor again played a key role in marshaling the ethnic vote. No longer a marginal player on the fringes, now he held a key position as the Republican National Committee's nationalities director. . . . 


"The Republican leadership cannot claim ignorance as a defense. [Syndicated Columnist Jack] Anderson's famous expose of Nixon's Nazis appeared in 'The Washington Post' at the same time as the November 1971 convention. Among those mentioned was Laszlo Pasztor, 'the industrious head of the GOP ethnic groups, [who] was never asked about his wartime activities in Hungary by the four GOP officials who interviewed him for his job.' It was too embarrassing for Nixon to admit that Pasztor had been a ranking member of a Fascist government at war with the United States. 


". . . . It is one thing to promote obscure Eastern European Fascist movements in the Republican party. It is quite another to let the German Nazis have a major influence. After 1953, the Republican administration changed the rules, and even members of the Waffen SS could immigrate to the United States as long as they claimed only to have fought the Communists on the Eastern Front." (7)

 

The Republican/Nixon attraction to Nazism was also observed by Robert J. Groden and Harrison Edward Livingstone, authors of the book, "High Treason," dealing with the Kennedy Assassination. Groden and Livingstone write: "Nixon surrounded himself with what was known as the Berlin Wall, a long succession of advisors with Germanic names: We recall at the top of his 'German General Staff' as it was also known, Haldeman, Erlichman, Krogh, Kliendienst, Kissinger (the Rockefellers' emissary) and many others. 


"The selection of German names was no accident. Many of the brighter staff people close to Nixon came to him from the University of Southern California, and the University of California at Los Angeles, where there were fraternities that kept alive the vision of a new Reich. America has for a long time harbored this dark side of its character, one of violence and the Valhalla of Wagner and Hitler. 


"But Gordon Liddy was the one in whose mind 'Triumph of the Will' was the most alive. Some of these men would watch the great Nazi propaganda films in the basement of the White House until all hours of the night, and drink, in fact, get drunk with their power, with blind ambition, as one of them wrote." (8) 


"According to several of our sources in the intelligence community who were in a position to know," continue Loftus and Aarons, "the secret rosters of the Republican party's Nationalities Council read like a Who's Who of Fascist fugitives. The Republican's Nazi connection is the darkest secret of the Republican leadership. The rosters will never be disclosed to the public. As will be seen in Chapter 16 dealing with George Bush, the Fascist connection is too widespread for damage control. 


"According to a 1988 study by Russ Bellant of Political Research Associates, virtually all of the Fascist organizations of World War II opened up a Republican party front group during the Nixon administration. The caliber of the Republican ethnic leaders can be gauged by one New Jersey man, Emanuel Jasiuk, a notorious mass murderer from what is today called the independent nation of Belarus, formerly part of the Soviet Union. But not all American ethnic communities are represented in the GOP's ethnic section; there are no black or Jewish heritage groups. . . . 


"The truth is that the Nazi immigrants were 'tar babies' that no one knew how to get rid of. Dulles had brought in a handful of the top emigre politicians in the late 1940s. They in turn sponsored their friends in the 1950s. By the 1960s ex-Nazis who had originally fled to Argentina were moving to the United States. . . ." (9)

 

It is clear that, even before the break-in at the Democratic Party Headquarters on June 17, 1972, the Republicans were on the brink of having their pro-Nazi activities over the past four decades become a matter of mass-media attention. After the Watergate Break-in, as the Congressional Hearings began to reveal the slush-funds, money-laundering, illegal corporate campaign contributions, the political sabotage of the 1972 Presidential election process, the involvement of ITT and the Nixon Administration into the assassination of Salvador Allende, the democratically elected president of Chile, and many other aspects of Nixonism, the floodgates of truth were about to open. Only one thing averted this wholesale learning of the truth by the American people: Nixon's resignation and subsequent pardoning by his hand-picked successor, Gerald Ford. 


 

NOTES: RICHARD MILHOUSE NIXON

 
The Secret War Against the Jews, p. 221 
Ibid., pp. 221-222 
Ibid., pp. 222-223 
Ibid., pp. 122-123 
Ibid., pp. 224-225 
Ibid., pp. 297-298 
Ibid., pp. 298-299 
High Treason, Robert J. Groden and Harrison Edward Livingstone, pp. 417-418 
The Secret War Against the Jews, pp. 300-301
 
 

GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH 


Like Richard Nixon, George Bush was a strong anti-marijuana/hemp president, escalating the so-called "war on drugs" begun by Nixon. And, like Nixon, George Bush was deeply involved with supporting the Nazis in the Republican's closet. In fact, support for the Nazis was a Bush family tradition which goes back more than six decades and, once again, to Allen Dulles. 


Loftus and Aarons write: "The real story of George Bush starts well before he launched his own career. It goes back to the 1920s, when the Dulles brothers and the other pirates of Wall Street were making their deals with the Nazis. . . ." 


THE BUSH-DULLES-NAZI CONNECTION

 

"George Bush's problems were inherited from his namesake and maternal grandfather, George Herbert 'Bert' Walker, a native of St. Louis, who founded the banking and investment firm of G. H. Walker and Company in 1900. Later the company shifted from St. Louis to the prestigious address of 1 Wall Street. . . . 


"Walker was one of Hitler's most powerful financial supporters in the United States. The relationship went all the way back to 1924, when Fritz Thyssen, the German industrialist, was financing Hitler's infant Nazi party. As mentioned in earlier chapters, there were American contributors as well. 


"Some Americans were just bigots and made their connections to Germany through Allen Dulles's firm of Sullivan and Cromwell because they supported Fascism. The Dulles brothers, who were in it for profit more than ideology, arranged American investments in Nazi Germany in the 1930s to ensure that their clients did well out of the German economic recovery. . . . 


"Sullivan & Cromwell was not the only firm engaged in funding Germany. According to 'The Splendid Blond Beast,' Christopher Simpson's seminal history of the politics of genocide and profit, Brown Brothers, Harriman was another bank that specialized in investments in Germany. The key figure was Averill Harriman, a dominating figure in the American establishment. . . . 


"The firm originally was known as W. A. Harriman & Company. The link between Harriman & Company's American investors and Thyssen started in the 1920s, through the Union Banking Corporation, which began trading in 1924. In just one three-year period, the Harriman firm sold more than $50 million of German bonds to American investors. 'Bert' Walker was Union Banking's president, and the firm was located in the offices of Averill Harriman's company at 39 Broadway in New York. 


"In 1926 Bert Walker did a favor for his new son-in-law, Prescott Bush. It was the sort of favor families do to help their children make a start in life, but Prescott came to regret it bitterly. Walker made Prescott vice president of W. A. Harriman. The problem was that Walker's specialty was companies that traded with Germany. As Thyssen and the other German industrialists consolidated Hitler's political power in the 1930s, an American financial connection was needed. According to our sources, Union Banking became an out-and-out Nazi money-laundering machine. . . . 


"In [1931], Harriman & Company merged with a British-American investment company to become Brown Brothers, Harriman. Prescott Bush became one of the senior partners of the new company, which relocated to 59 Broadway, while Union Banking remained at 39 Broadway. But in 1934 Walker arranged to put his son-in-law on the board of directors of Union Banking. 


"Walker also set up a deal to take over the North American operations of the Hamburg-Amerika Line, a cover for I.G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the United States. The shipping line smuggled in German agents, propaganda, and money for bribing American politicians to see things Hitler's way. The holding company was Walker's American Shipping & Commerce, which shared the offices at 39 Broadway with Union Banking. In an elaborate corporate paper trail, Harriman's stock in American Shipping & Commerce was controlled by yet another holding company, the Harriman Fifteen Corporation, run out of Walker's office. The directors of this company were Averill Harriman, Bert Walker, and Prescott Bush. . . . 


". . . In a November 1935 article in Common Sense, retired marine general Smedley D. Butler blamed Brown Brothers, Harriman for having the U.S. marines act like 'racketeers' and 'gangsters' in order to exploit financially the peasants of Nicaragua. . . . 


". . . A 1934 congressional investigation alleged that Walker's 'Hamburg-Amerika Line subsidized a wide range of pro-Nazi propaganda efforts both in Germany and the United States.' Walker did not know it, but one of his American employees, Dan Harkins, had blown the whistle on the spy apparatus to Congress. Harkins, one of our best sources, became Roosevelt's first double agent . . . [and] kept up the pretense of being an ardent Nazi sympathizer, while reporting to Naval Intelligence on the shipping company's deals with Nazi intelligence. 


"Instead of divesting the Nazi money," continue the authors, "Bush hired a lawyer to hide the assets. The lawyer he hired had considerable expertise in such underhanded schemes. It was Allen Dulles. According to Dulles's client list at Sullivan & Cromwell, his first relationship with Brown Brothers, Harriman was on June 18, 1936. In January 1937 Dulles listed his work for the firm as 'Disposal of Stan [Standard Oil] Investing stock.' 


"As discussed in Chapter 3, Standard Oil of New Jersey had completed a major stock transaction with Dulles's Nazi client, I.G. Farben. By the end of January 1937 Dulles had merged all his cloaking activities into one client account: 'Brown Brothers Harriman-Schroeder Rock.' Schroeder, of course, was the Nazi bank on whose board Dulles sat. The 'Rock' were the Rockefellers of Standard Oil, who were already coming under scrutiny for their Nazi deals. By May 1939 Dulles handled another problem for Brown Brothers, Harriman, their 'Securities Custodian Accounts.' 


"If Dulles was trying to conceal how many Nazi holding companies Brown Brothers, Harriman was connected with, he did not do a very good job. Shortly after Pearl Harbor, word leaked from Washington that affiliates of Prescott Bush's company were under investigation for aiding the Nazis in time of war. . . . 


". . . The government investigation against Prescott Bush continued. Just before the storm broke, his son, George, abandoned his plans to enter Yale and enlisted in the U.S. Army. It was, say our sources among the former intelligence officers, a valiant attempt by an eighteen-year-old boy to save the family's honor. 


"Young George was in flight school in October 1942, when the U.S. government charged his father with running Nazi front groups in the United States. Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, all the shares of the Union Banking Corporation were seized, including those held by Prescott Bush as being in effect held for enemy nationals. Union Banking, of course, was an affiliate of Brown Brothers, Harriman, and Bush handled the Harrimans' investments as well. 


"Once the government had its hands on Bush's books, the whole story of the intricate web of Nazi front corporations began to unravel. A few days later two of Union Banking's subsidiaries -- the Holland American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation -- also were seized. Then the government went after the Harriman Fifteen Holding Company, which Bush shared with his father-in-law, Bert Walker, the Hamburg-Amerika Line, and the Silesian-American Corporation. The U.S. government found that huge sections of Prescott Bush's empire had been operated on behalf of Nazi Germany and had greatly assisted the German war effort." (1)

 

EDWIN PAULEY

 

"Try as he did," continue the authors, "George Bush could not get away from Dulles's crooked corporate network, which his grandfather and father had joined in the 1920s. Wherever he turned, George found that the influence of the Dulles brothers was already there. Even when he fled to Texas to become a successful businessman on his own, he ran into the pirates of Wall Street. 


"One of Allen Dulles's secret spies inside the Democratic party later became George Bush's partner in the Mexican oil business. Edwin Pauley, a California oil man, was . . . one of Dulles's covert agents in the Roosevelt and Truman administrations . . . a 'big business' Democrat. . . ."

 

Among the key posts held by Pauley were: treasurer of the Democratic National Committee, director of the Democratic convention in 1944 and, after Truman's election, Truman appointed him the "Petroleum Coordinator of Lend-Lease Supplies for the Soviet Union and Britain." 


Just after the end of World War II, "in April 1945 Truman appointed Pauley as the U.S. representative to the Allied Reparations Committee, with the rank of ambassador," as well as "industrial and commercial advisor to the Potsdam Conference, 'where his chief task was to renegotiate the reparations agreements formulated at Yalta.' As one historian noted, the 'oil industry has always watched reparations activities carefully.' There was a lot of money involved, and much of it belonged to the Dulles brothers' clients." 


At the same time, report Loftus and Aarons,

 

"the Dulles brothers were still shifting Nazi assets out of Europe for their clients as well as for their own profit. They didn't want the Soviets to get their hands on these assets or even know that they existed. Pauley played a significant role in solving this problem for the Dulles brothers. The major part of Nazi Germany's industrial assets was located in the zones occupied by the West's forces. As Washington's man on the ground, Pauley managed to deceive the Soviets for long enough to allow Allen Dulles to spirit much of the remaining Nazi assets out to safety. . . . 


"Pauley, a key player in the plan to hide the Dulles brothers' Nazi assets, then moved into another post where he could help them further. After successfully keeping German assets in Fascist hands, Pauley was given the job of 'surveying Japan's assets and determining the amount of its war debt.' Again, it was another job that was crucial to the Dulles clique's secret financial and intelligence operations." (2)

 

After Pauley retired from government work he went back to being an independent oil man. Loftus and Aarons state that: "In 1958 he founded Pauley Petroleum which: . . . teamed up with Howard Hughes to expand oil production in the Gulf of Mexico.

 

"Pauley Petroleum discovered a highly productive offshore petroleum reserve and in 1959 became involved in a dispute with the Mexican Government, which considered the royalties from the wells to be too low. 


"According to our sources in the intelligence community, the oil dispute was really a shakedown of the CIA by Mexican politicians. Hughes and Pauley were working for the CIA from time to time, while advancing their own financial interests in the lucrative Mexican oil fields. Pauley, say several of our sources, was the man who invented an intelligence money-laundering system in Mexico, which was later refined in the 1970s as part of Nixon's Watergate scandal. At one point CIA agents used Pemex, the Mexican government's oil monopoly, as a business cover at the same time Pemex was being used as a money laundry for Pauley's campaign contributions. As we shall see, the Mexican-CIA connection played an important part in the development of George Bush's political and intelligence career. . . . 


"Pauley, say the 'old spies,' was the man who brought all the threads of the Mexican connection together. He was Bush's business associate, a front man for Dulles's CIA [Allen Dulles was CIA director then], and originator of the use of Mexican oil fronts to create a slush fund for Richard Nixon's various campaigns. . . . 


"Although it is not widely known, Pauley, in fact, had been a committed, if 'secret,' Nixon supporter since 1960. It should be recalled that Nixon tried to conceal his Mexican slush fund during the Watergate affair by pressuring the CIA into a 'national security' cover-up. The CIA, to its credit, declined to participate. Unfortunately, others were so enmeshed in Pauley's work for Nixon that they could never extricate themselves. According to a number of our intelligence sources, the deals Bush cut with Pauley in Mexico catapulted him into political life. In 1960 Bush became a protege of Richard Nixon, who was then running for president of the United States. . . . 


"The most intriguing of Bush's early connections was to Richard Nixon, who as vice president had supervised Allen Dulles's covert planning for the Bay of Pigs [invasion]. For years it has been rumored that Dulles's client, George Bush's father, was one of the Republican leaders who recruited Nixon to run for Congress and later convinced Eisenhower to take him on as vice president. There is no doubt that the two families were close. George Bush described Nixon as his 'mentor.' Nixon was a Bush supporter in his very first tilt at politics, during his unsuccessful run for the Senate in 1964, and turned out again when he entered the House two years later. 


"After Nixon's landslide victory in 1972, he ordered a general house cleaning on the basis of loyalty. 'Eliminate everyone,' he told John Ehrlichman about reappointments, 'except George Bush. Bush will do anything for our cause.' . . . According to Bush's account, the president told him that 'the place I really need you is over at the National Committee running things.' So, in 1972, Nixon appointed George Bush as head of the Republican National Committee. 


"It was Bush who fulfilled Nixon's promise to make the 'ethnic' emigres a permanent part of Republican politics. In 1972 Nixon's State Department spokesman confirmed to his Australian counterpart that the ethnic groups were very useful to get out the vote in several key states. Bush's tenure as head of the Republican National Committee exactly coincided with Laszlo Pasztor's 1972 drive to transform the Heritage Groups Council into the party's official ethnic arm. The groups Pasztor chose as Bush's campaign allies were the emigre Fascists whom Dulles had brought to the United States. . . . 


". . . Nearly twenty years later, and after expose's in several respectable newspapers, Bush continued to recruit most of the same ethnic Fascists, including Pasztor, for his own 1988 ethnic outreach program when he first ran for president. 


"According to our sources in the intelligence community," state the authors, "it was Bush who told Nixon that the Watergate investigations might start uncovering the Fascist skeletons in the Republican party's closet. Bush himself acknowledges that he wrote Nixon a letter asking him to step down. The day after Bush did so, Nixon resigned. 


"Bush had hoped to become Gerald Ford's vice president upon Nixon's resignation, but he was appointed U.S. ambassador to the UN. Nelson Rockefeller became vice president and chief damage controller. He formed a special commission in an attempt to preempt the Senate's investigation of the intelligence community. The Rockefeller Commission into CIA abuses was filled with old OPC [Dulles's Office of Policy Coordination] hands like Ronald Reagan, who had been the front man back in the 1950s for the money-laundering organization, the Crusade for Freedom, which was part of Dulles's Fascist 'freedom fighters' program." (3)

 

In 1988, Project Censored, a news media censorship research organization, awarded the honor of "Top Censored story" to the subject of George Bush. The article revealed "how the major mass media ignored, overlooked or undercovered at least ten critical stories reported in America's alternative press that raised serious questions about the Republican candidate, George Bush, dating from his reported role as a CIA 'asset' in 1963 to his Presidential campaign's connection with a network of anti-Semites with Nazi and fascist affiliations in 1988." (4) 


 

NOTES: GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH

 
The Secret War Against the Jews, pp. 357-361 
Ibid., pp. 362-364 
Ibid., pp. 365-371 
The 1993 Project Censored Yearbook: The News That Didn't Make The News - And Why, Project Censored; Dr. Carl Jensen, Director., pp. 230.
 

 

CONCLUSION 


If, before you finished reading this publication, you ever wondered why the U.S. federal government refuses to consider the medicinal and industrial value of cannabis hemp, despite widespread and growing support from the public, medical experts, industry leaders, and a growing number of state legislators across this nation . . . you now have the answer. 


For the past several generations, Americans have been systematically deceived about the true nature of cannabis hemp. Many Americans have died - victims of political murders. Millions have been imprisoned, their children and their property taken away, their futures destroyed. The history of my own state - Kentucky - and others as well, have been "sanitized," rewritten, our heritage deleted, our citizens defrauded and impoverished to bury the truth. 


And if, before you finished reading this publication, you ever wondered why the U.S. federal government would train and finance Central American death squads; or why, while waging the so-called "war on drugs," the U.S. federal government would operate cocaine and heroin smuggling operations around the world, bringing in tons of drugs to places like Mena, Arkansas; or why the U.S. federal government would "spread democracy" throughout the world by assassinating democratically elected politicians - both at home and abroad - replacing them with right-wing dictators and training their secret police in the latest techniques of torture, terrorism, and mind control; or why the U.S. federal government would conduct deadly medical and radiation experiments on unsuspecting citizens - including pregnant women, the mentally impaired, and children . . . you now have the answer. 


The last question is "what are we going to do about it?" 


BIBLIOGRAPHY (By section)

 

INTRODUCTION

 

The Irony of Democracy: An Uncommon Introduction to American Politics - Second Edition, By Thomas R. Dye and L. Harmon Zeigler - Duxbury Press, CA. 1972 

The Arms Bazaar: From Lebanon to Lockheed - By Anthony Sampson - The Viking Press, NY. 1977
 

U. S. CORPORATIONS AND THE NAZIS

 

Facts and Fascism - By George Seldes (Assisted by Helen Seldes) - Sixth Edition - In Fact, Inc., NY. 1943 

Trading with the Enemy: An Expose of the Nazi-American Money Plot 1933-1949 - By Charles Higham - Delecorte Press, NY. 1983 

Even the Gods Can't Change History: The Facts Speak for Themselves - By George Seldes - Lyle Stuart, Inc., NJ. 1976 

Power, Inc.: Public and Private Rulers and How to Make Them Accountable - By Morton Mintz & Jerry S. Cohen - Viking Press, NY. 1976 

The Plot to Seize the White House - By Jules Archer - Hawthorn Books, 1973 

It's A Conspiracy!: The Shocking Truth About America's Favorite Conspiracy Theories - By Michael Litchfield/The National Insecurity Council - EarthWorks Press, CA. 1992 

The Secret War Against The Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed The Jewish People - By John Loftus and Mark Aarons - St. Martin's Press, NY. 1994 

HEMP & the Marijuana Conspiracy: The Emperor Wears No Clothes - By Jack Herer (Editors: C. Conrad, L. & J. Osburn, E. Komp , and J. Stout) 

H.E.M.P. (Help Eliminate Marijuana Prohibition), CA. 1995 

One Thousand Americans - By George Seldes - BONI & GAER, NY. 1947 

Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do: The Absurdity of Consentual Crimes in a Free Society - By Peter McWilliams - Prelude Press, CA. 1993 

A History of the Hemp Industry in Kentucky - By Professor James F. Hopkins - University of Kentucky Press, Lexington, KY. 1951 

Spooks: The Haunting of America - The Private Use of Secret Agents - By Jim Hougan - First Bantam Edition - William Morrow and Co., NY. 1979 

The Sovereign State of ITT - By Anthony Sampson - Stein and Day, NY. 1973 

Democracy for the Few - By Michael Parenti - Fourth Edition - St. Martin's Press, NY. 1983
 

THE NEW WORLD (DIS)ORDER

 

Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time - By Carroll Quigle


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Hemp will save the planet
Hemp history, Nazi Germany & American Corporations
davidmalmolevine
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(The Elkhorn Manifesto) 


SHADOW OF THE SWASTIKA:

 

The Real Reason the Government Won't Debate
 Medical Cannabis and Industrial Hemp Re-legalization

 

An Open Letter to All Americans
 By R. William Davis 


Documented Evidence of a Secret Business and Political Alliance
 Between the U.S. "Establishment" and the Nazis -
 Before, During and After World War II - up to the Present. 


 

PREFACE 


Before the Gatewood Galbraith for Governor Campaign in 1991, few Kentuckians knew that the plant that the federal government had demonized for over 50 years as "Marijuana - Assassin of Youth," was, in fact, Cannabis Hemp, the most traded commodity in the world until the mid-1800s, and our state's number one crop, industry, and most important source of revenue, for over 150 years. 


Today, thanks to the efforts of pioneer hemp researchers and public advocates such as Galbraith, Jack Fraizer, Jack Herer, Chris Conrad, Ed Rosenthal, Don Wirtshafter and others, the federal government's unjustifiable suppression of our state's right to develop our most valuable and versatile natural resource, is facing increasing opposition from an informed public. Hemp is now recognized as  the number one agriculturally renewable raw material in the world, and perhaps the only crop / industry which can guarantee us industrial and economic independence from the trans-national corporations. 


"Shadow of the Swastika" is a follow-up to my earlier work, "Cannabis Hemp: the Invisible Prohibition Revealed," which I wrote and published in support of the Galbraith Campaign. Since publication of that booklet, there has been growing public acceptance of the evidence that Marijuana Prohibition was created in 1937, not to protect society from the "evils of the drug Marijuana," as the Federal government claimed, but as an act of deliberate economic and industrial sabotage against the re-emerging Industrial Hemp Industry. 


Previous investigations by hemp researchers have been limited to the suppression of free-market competition from the hemp industry, and focused on the activities of three prominent members of America's corporate, industrial and banking establishment during the mid- to late-1930s: 


WILLIAM RANDOLPH HEARST, the newspaper and magazine tycoon.

 The expected rebirth of cannabis hemp as a less expensive source of pulp for paper meant his millions of acres of prime timberland, and investment in wood pulp papermaking equipment, would soon be worth much less. In the 1920s, about the same time as the equipment was developed to economically mass-produce raw hemp into pulp and fiber for paper, he began the "Reefer Madness" hoax in his newspaper and magazine publications.
 

ANDREW MELLON, founder of the Gulf Oil Corporation.

 He knew that cannabis hemp was an alternative industrial raw material for the production of thousands of products, including fuel and plastics, which, if allowed to compete in the free-market, would threaten the future profits of the oil companies. As Secretary of the Treasury he created the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, and appointed his own future nephew-in-law, Harry Anslinger, as director. Anslinger would later use the sensational, and totally fabricated, articles published by Hearst, to push the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 through Congress, which successfully destroyed the rebirth of the cannabis hemp industry. 

A prominent member of one Congressional subcommittee who voted in favor of this bill was Joseph Guffey of Pennsylvania, an oil tycoon and former business partner of Andrew Mellon in the Spindletop oil fields in Texas.

 

THE DU PONT CHEMICAL CORPORATION,

 which owned the patents on synthetic petrochemicals and industrial processes that promised billions of dollars in future profits from the sale of wood pulp paper, lead additives for gasoline, synthetic fibers and plastics, if hemp could be suppressed. At the time, du Pont family influence in both government and the private sector was unmatched, according to historians and journalists.
 

This publication, however, reveals documented historical evidence that the suppression of the hemp industry was only one key part of a much larger conspiracy in the 1930s, not only by the three corporate interests named above, but by many others, as well. 


Congressional records, FBI reports and investigations by the Justice Department, during the 1930s and 1940s, have already documented evidence of this wider plot. A list of the corporations named include Du Pont, Standard Oil, and General Motors, all of which were proven to be conspiring with Nazi industrial cartels to eliminate competition world-wide and divide among themselves the Earth's industrial resources and commercial markets, for profitable exploitation. 
 


This conspiracy succeeded. It is now obvious that this lack of serious competition in the industrial raw materials market caused our present - and totally contrived - addiction to petrochemicals. Its success is directly responsible for the most troubling problems we now face in the 1990s; serious damage to our environment, concentration of economic and political power into fewer and fewer hands, and the weakening of the rights of individuals and states to determine their own futures. 


It is more and more evident that, given the historical record, the structure of the New World Order is being built upon the Foundation of Marijuana Prohibition, and only the relegalization of free-market hemp competition can save us.

 

R. William Davis
 July 4, 1996
 Louisville, Kentucky

 

 

INTRODUCTION 


To clearly understand the circumstances which existed during the 1930s and 1940s, and are the subject of this booklet, it would be helpful to first put the hemp / petrochemical conflict into historical perspective. The events which took place in the years leading up to World War II were a continuation of a struggle between agricultural and industrial interests that began before the American Revolution, a struggle which has yet to be decided, even today. 


AGRICULTURE VS. INDUSTRY 


The historical record, at least as it has been presented to us in the public school system, is that the Civil War was fought to end slavery. This is not the whole story. The truth of the matter is that it was also a clash between Northern industrialists and Southern agriculturists, over control of the expansion into the newly opened West. 


In 1845, Abraham Lincoln wrote, "I hold it a paramount duty of us in the free states due to the union of the states, and perhaps to liberty itself, to let the slavery of other states alone." (1) 


Concerning the Western territories, he said "The whole Nation is interested that the best use shall be made of these territories. We want them for homes and free white people. This they cannot be, to any considerable extent, if slavery be planted within them." (2) 


Lincoln was caught in the middle between the Northern industrialists and the Southern agriculturists, who both wanted to dominate Western expansion because of the wealth it offered. The industrialists knew that the agriculturists depended on slavery because cotton, upon which Southern wealth was based, was very labor intensive and required the inexpensive labor that slavery provided. They knew that if the Western lands were declared "free states" then the Southern agriculturists would be unable to compete, and would be forced to leave Western expansion, and its potential profits, to the Northern industrialists. 


Quoting "The Irony of Democracy," by Thomas R. Dye and T. Harmon Zeigler,

 "The importance of the Civil War for America's elite structure was the commanding position that the new industrial capitalists won during the course of the struggle. . . . The economic transformation of the United States from an agricultural to an industrial nation reached the crescendo of a revolution in the second half of the nineteenth century. 

"Civil War profits compounded the capital of the industrialists and placed them in a position to dominate the economic life of the nation. Moreover, when the Southern planters were removed from the national scene, the government in Washington became the exclusive domain of the new industrial leaders." (3)

 

The Northern industrialists used this increased capital to build the system of transcontinental railways, linking the Northeast with both the South and West. The labor for this undertaking was from the Northeastern Establishment's own source of cheap labor - recently freed slaves and poor immigrants from Europe and China - who suffered under living conditions which were often little better than those which existed under the Slave System just a few years before. 


It was during the years between the Civil War and the beginning of the Twentieth Century that the Northern industrialists altered the role of the American government. Originally established by the Revolution to protect and preserve the lives, property and freedoms of all Americans from repressive government, it was transformed into an agency to protect the economic future of Northern industrialists. 


"[T]he industrial elites," according to Dye and Zeigler, "saw no objection to legislation if it furthered their success in business. Unrestricted competition might prove who was the fittest, but as an added precaution to insure that the industrial capitalists themselves emerged as the fittest, these new elites also insisted upon government subsidies, patents, tariffs, loans, and massive giveaways of land and other natural resources." (4) 


The struggle between Western farmers and the railroads owned by the Northern industrialists is a good example. To protect their interests, citizens created "the Grange," an organization which helped to enact state laws regulating the "ruthless aggression" of the railroads. In 1877, these laws were upheld by the Supreme Court in the Munn v. Illinois decision. But, a few years later, Justice Stephen A. Field changed the role, and the very definition, of the corporation. He gave a new interpretation to the Fourteenth Amendment that actually gave corporations legal status as citizens . . . as artificial persons. (5) 


It was not long after this change in the interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment that John D. Rockefeller, the father of the modern-day corporation, created the great Standard Oil Corporation which, by the late 1880s, gained control over 90% of all the oil refineries in America. (6) 


The roots of 20th Century American politics can best be illustrated by the 1896 Presidential Election, won by Republican William McKinley by a landslide. The McKinley campaign was directed by Marcus Alonzo Hanna of Standard Oil and raised a $16,000,000 campaign fund from wealthy fellow industrialists, (an amount that was unmatched in Presidential campaigns until the 1960s). The major theme of the campaign, and one that would echo far into the future, was "what's good for business is good for the country." (7) 


This emerging political and judicial misuse of power in America was feared by Thomas Jefferson who, in 1787, wrote, "I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries; as long as they remain chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get piled upon one another in large cities as in Europe they will become corrupt as in Europe." (8) 


It is important to remember that the American Revolution was a clash between the agriculturists in the colonies, and the British industrialists who controlled the government in England. Almost 100 years later the Civil War was fought as a continuation of the same basic struggle, but with the victory going back to the industrialists. This began the erosion of the American government "of the people, for the people and by the people." The buying of the 1896 Presidential Election, by Hanna of Standard Oil and the Northern industrial interests, was the next important step on the long road to the American government "of the corporation, for the corporation and by the corporation." 


A few years later, World War I would forge an even closer relationship between corporations and government in the United States, as well as around the world. Anthony Sampson, in his book "The Arms Bazaar," notes that "the American companies, led by US Steel and du Pont, were transformed by war orders. US Steel, which had absorbed Carnegie's old steel company, had made average annual profits in the four pre-war years of $105 million, while in the four war years they were $240 million; and du Pont's average profit went up from $6 million to $58 million. . . . 


"Certainly the arms companies had become much richer through the war, and there were widespread suspicions that they were actually trying to prolong it." (9) 


The bottom line is, of course, victory or profit, and in what proportions? To what lengths would this nation's top industrial leaders go to secure their share of the profits before and during the next "war to end all war?" 


 

NOTES: INTRODUCTION

 
American Political Tradition, Hofstadter, p. 109. (As reprinted in The Irony of Democracy, Thomas R. Dye and L. Harmon Zeigler, p. 72) 
American Political Tradition, p. 113. (As reprinted in The Irony of Democracy, p. 72) 
Irony of Democracy, p. 73 
Ibid., p. 74 
Ibid., p. 75 
Ibid., p. 76 
Ibid., p. 82 
Ibid., p. 62 
The Arms Bazaar, Anthony Sampson, p. 65
 

 

U.S. CORPORATIONS AND THE NAZIS 

"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. . . . 

"Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there." - William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937.(1)

 

A large volume of documentary evidence exists that reveals that many of the richest, most powerful men in the United States, and the giant corporations they controlled, were secretly allied with the Nazis, both before and during World War II, even after war was declared between Germany and America. This alliance began with U.S. corporate investment during the reconstruction of post-World War I Germany in the 1920s and, years later, included financial, industrial and military aid to the Nazis. 


On the pages which follow we will review which prominent Americans and corporations were involved, what aid and comfort they gave our nation's enemies - treasonable offenses during time of war, and investigations into these matters which produced evidence of a US/Nazi corporate conspiracy to bring a fascist state to America, and eliminate competition in the industrial raw materials market in order to force world-wide dependance on oil-based petrochemicals. 


 

WILLIAM RANDOLPH HEARST 
 


Hearst, who was so concerned about the American public's health and safety on the matter of marijuana use, apparently had no such fears when it came to Hitler and the Nazis. According to journalist George Seldes:

 

". . . Hitler had the support of the most widely circulated magazine in history, 'Readers Digest,' as well as nineteen big-city newspapers and one of the three great American news agencies, the $220-million Hearst press empire. 


". . . William Randolph Hearst, Sr., . . . was the lord of all the press lords in the United States. The millions who read the Hearst newspapers and magazines and saw Hearst newsreels in the nation's moviehouses had their minds poisoned by Hitler propaganda. 


"It was . . . disclosed first to President Roosevelt [by Ambassador Dodd] almost on the day it happened, in September 1934, and it is detailed in the book 'Ambassador Dodd's Diary,' published in 1941, and again in libel-proof documents on file in the courts of the state of New York. William E. Dodd, professor of history [at the University of Chicago], told me about the Hearst sell-out . . . 


"According to Ambassador Dodd, Hearst came to take the waters at Bad Nauheim in September 1934, and Dodd somehow learned immediately that Hitler had sent two of his most trusted Nazi propagandists, Hanfstangel and Rosenberg, to ask Hearst how Nazism could present a better image in the United States. When Hearst went to Berlin later in the month, he was taken to see Hitler." 


Seldes reports that a $400,000 a year deal was struck between Hearst and Hitler, and signed by Doctor Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda minister. "Hearst," continues Seldes, "completely changed the editorial policy of his nineteen daily newspapers the same month he got the money." 


In the court documents filed on behalf of Dan Gillmor, publisher of a magazine named "Friday," in response to a lawsuit by Hearst, under item 61, he states: "Promptly after this said visit with Adolf Hitler and the making of said arrangements. . . said plaintiff, William Randolph Hearst, instructed all Hearst press correspondents in Germany, including those of INS [Hearst's International News Service] to report happenings in Germany only in a friendly' manner. All of such correspondents reporting happenings in Germany accurately and without friendliness, sympathy and bias for the actions of the then German government, were transferred elsewhere, discharged, or forced to resign. . . ." 


In the late 1930s, Seldes recounts, when "several sedition indictments [were brought by] the Department of Justice . . . against a score or two of Americans, the defendants included an unusually large minority of newspaper men and women, most of them Hearst employees." (2) 


 

ANDREW MELLON 
 



"Thurman Arnold, as assistant district attorney of the United States, his assistant, Norman Littell, and several Congressional investigations, have produced incontrovertible evidence that some of our biggest monopolies entered into secret agreements with the Nazi cartels and divided the world up among them," states Seldes in his book, "Facts and Fascism," published in 1943. "Most notorious of all was Alcoa, the Mellon-Davis-Duke monopoly which is largely responsible for the fact America did not have the aluminum with which to build airplanes before and after Pearl Harbor, while Germany had an unlimited supply." (3)

 

Alcoa sabotage of American war production had already cost the U.S. "10,000 fighters or 1,665 bombers," according to Congressman Pierce of Oregon speaking in May 1941, because of "the effort to protect Alcoa's monopolistic position. . ." 


"If America loses this war," said Secretary of the Interior [Harold] Ickes, June 26, 1941, "it can thank the Aluminum Corporation of America." 


"By its cartel agreement with I.G. Farben, controlled by Hitler," writes Seldes, "Alcoa sabotaged the aluminum program of the U.S. air force. The Truman Committee [on National Defense, chaired by then-Senator Harry S. Truman in 1942] heard testimony that Alcoa's representative, A.H. Bunker, $1-a-year head of the aluminum section of O.P.M., prevented work on our $600,000,000 aluminum expansion program." (4) 


 

DU PONT AND GENERAL MOTORS 
 


General Motors is included here because, by 1929, the Du Pont corporation had acquired controlling interest in, and had interlocking directorships with, General Motors. 


Irenee du Pont, "the most imposing and powerful member of the clan," according to biographer and historian Charles Higham, "was obsessed with Hitler's principles." "He keenly followed the career of the future Fuhrer in the 1920s, and on September 7, 1926, in a speech to the American Chemical Society, he advocated a race of supermen, to be achieved by injecting special drugs into them in boyhood to make their characters to order." Higham's book on this subject, "Trading with the Enemy: An Expose of the Nazi-American Money Plot 1933-1949," is highly recommended. 


Du Pont's anti-Semitism "matched that of Hitler" and, in 1933, the Du Ponts "began financing native fascist groups in America . . ." one of which Higham identifies as the American Liberty League: "a Nazi organization whipping up hatred of blacks and Jews," and the "love of Hitler. 


"Financed . . . to the tune of $500,000 the first year, the Liberty League had a lavish thirty-one-room office in New York, branches in twenty-six colleges, and fifteen subsidiary organizations nationwide that distributed fifty million copies of its Nazi pamphlets. . . . 

"The Du Ponts' fascistic behavior was seen in 1936, when Irenee du Pont used General Motors money to finance the notorious Black Legion. This terrorist organization had as its purpose the prevention of automobile workers from unionizing. The members wore hoods and black robes, with skulls and crossbones. They fire-bombed union meetings, murdered union organizers, often by beating them to death, and dedicated their lives to destroying Jews and communists. They linked to the Ku Klux Klan. . . . It was brought out that at least fifty people, many of them blacks, had been butchered by the Legion." (5)

 

Du Pont support of Hitler extended into the very heart of the Nazi war machine as well, according to Higham, and several other researchers: "General Motors, under the control of the Du Pont family of Delaware, played a part in collaboration" with the Nazis. 


"Between 1932 and 1939, bosses of General Motors poured $30 million into I.G. Farben plants . . ." Further, Higham informs us that by "the mid-1930s, General Motors was committed to full-scale production of trucks, armored cars, and tanks in Nazi Germany." (6) 


Researchers Morton Mintz and Jerry S. Cohen, in their book, "Power Inc.," describe the Du Pont-GM-Nazi relationship in these terms:

 

". . . In 1929, [Du Pont-controlled] GM acquired the largest automobile company in Germany, Adam Opel, A.G. This predestined the subsidiary to become important to the Nazi war effort. In a heavily documented study presented to the Senate Subcommittee on Antitrust and Monopoly in February 1974, Bradford C. Snell, an assistant subcommittee counsel, wrote: 


"'GM's participation in Germany's preparation for war began in 1935. That year its Opel subsidiary cooperated with the Reich in locating a new heavy truck facility at Brandenburg, which military officials advised would be less vulnerable to enemy air attacks. During the succeeding years, GM supplied the Wehrmact with Opel "Blitz" trucks from the Brandenburg complex. For these and other contributions to [the Nazis] wartime preparations, GM's chief executive for overseas operations [James Mooney] was awarded the Order of the German Eagle (first class) by Adolf Hitler.'"

 

Du Pont-GM Nazi collaboration, according to Snell, included the participation of Standard Oil of New Jersey [now Exxon] in one, very important arrangement. GM and Standard Oil of New Jersey formed a joint subsidiary with the giant Nazi chemical cartel, I.G. Farben, named Ethyl G.m.b.H. [now Ethyl, Inc.] which, according to Snell: "provided the mechanized German armies with synthetic tetraethyl fuel [leaded gas]. During 1936-39, at the urgent request of Nazi officials who realized that Germany's scarce petroleum reserves would not satisfy war demands, GM and Exxon joined with German chemical interests in the erection of the lead-tetraethyl plants. According to captured German records, these facilities contributed substantially to the German war effort: 'The fact that since the beginning of the war we could produce lead-tetraethyl is entirely due to the circumstances that, shortly before, the Americans [Du Pont, GM and Standard Oil] had presented us with the production plants complete with experimental knowledge. Without lead-tetraethyl the present method of warfare would be unthinkable.'" (7) 


At about the same time the Du Ponts were serving the Nazi cause in Germany, they were involved in a Fascist plot to overthrow the United States government. 


"Along with friends of the Morgan Bank and General Motors," in early 1934, writes Higham, "certain Du Pont backers financed a coup d'etat that would overthrow the President with the aid of a $3 million-funded army of terrorists . . ." The object was to force Roosevelt "to take orders from businessmen as part of a fascist government or face the alternative of imprisonment and execution . . ." 


Higham reports that "Du Pont men allegedly held an urgent series of meetings with the Morgans," to choose who would lead this "bizarre conspiracy." "They finally settled on one of the most popular soldiers in America, General Smedly Butler of Pennsylvania." Butler was approached by "fascist attorney" Gerald MacGuire (an official of the American Legion), who attempted to recruit Butler into the role of an American Hitler. 


"Butler was horrified," but played along with MacGuire until, a short time later, he notified the White House of the plot. Roosevelt considered having "the leaders of the houses of Morgan and Du Pont" arrested, but feared that "it would create an unthinkable national crisis in the midst of a depression and perhaps another Wall Street crash." Roosevelt decided the best way to defuse the plot was to expose it, and leaked the story to the press. 


"The newspapers ran the story of the attempted coup on the front page, but generally ridiculed it as absurd and preposterous." But an investigation by the Congressional Committee on Un-American Activities - 74th Congress, first session, House of Representatives, Investigation of Nazi and other propaganda - was begun later that same year. 


"It was four years," continues Higham, "before the committee dared to publish its report in a white paper that was marked for 'restricted circulation.' They were forced to admit that 'certain persons made an attempt to establish a fascist organization in this country . . . [The] committee was able to verify all the pertinent statements made by General Butler.' This admission that the entire plan was deadly in intent was not accompanied by the imprisonment of anybody. Further investigations disclosed that over a million people had been guaranteed to join the scheme and that the arms and munitions necessary would have been supplied by Remington, a Du Pont subsidiary." (8)

 

The names of important individuals and groups involved in the conspiracy were suppressed by the committee, but later revealed by Seldes, Philadelphia Record reporter Paul French, and Jules Archer, author of the book, "The Plot to Seize the White House." Included were John W. Davis (attorney for the J.P. Morgan banking group), Robert Sterling Clark (Wall Street broker and heir to the Singer sewing machine fortune), William Doyle (American Legion official), and the American Liberty League (backed by executives from J.P. Morgan and Co., Rockefeller interests, E.F. Hutton, and Du Pont-controlled General Motors). (9) 


 

THE US/NAZI CARTEL AGREEMENT 


"On November 23, 1937," states Higham, "representatives of General Motors held a secret meeting in Boston with Baron Manfred von Killinger, who was . . . in charge of West Coast espionage [for the Nazis], and Baron von Tipplekirsch, Nazi consul general and Gestapo leader in Boston. This group signed a joint agreement showing total commitment to the Nazi cause for the indefinite future. . . ." (10) 


Seldes describes the plotters as "the great owners and rulers of America who planned world domination through political and military Fascism" including "several leading American industrialists, members of the Congress of the United States, and representatives of large business and political organizations . . ." 


He obtained the text of the agreement, and published it in his newsletter, "In Fact," on July 13, 1942. The plan "goes much further than the mere cartel conspiracies of Big Business of both countries," writes Seldes, "because it has political clauses and points to a bigger conspiracy of money and politicians such as helped betray Norway and France and other lands to the Nazi machine. The most powerful fortress in America is the production monopolies, but its betrayal would involve, as it did in France, the participation of some of the most powerful figures of the political as well as the industrial world." (11) 


STANDARD OIL OF NEW JERSEY (Now Exxon) 


"On February 27, 1942," according to Higham, "Arnold, with documents stuffed under his arms, . . . strode into the lion's den of Standard at 30 Rockefeller Plaza. Just behind him were Secretary of the Navy Franklin Knox and Secretary of the Army Henry L. Stimson." They confronted Standard official William Farish and "Arnold sharply laid down his charges" that "by continuing to favor Hitler in rubber deal and patent arrangements," Standard Oil "had acted against the interests of the American government . . . suggested a fine of $1.5 million and a consent decree whereby Standard would turn over for the duration all the patents" in question. 


"Farish rejected the proposal on the spot. He pointed out that Standard" was also selling the U.S. a "high percentage" of the fuel being used by the Army, Navy, and Air Force "making it possible for America to win the war. Where would America be without it?"

 

Blackmail? Yes, says Higham. And effective. Arnold was finally reduced to asking the oil company official "to what Standard Oil would agree. After all, there had to be at least token punishment. . . . Arnold, Stimson, and Knox soon realized they had no power to compare with that of Standard." 


The price Standard Oil "agreed" to pay for its crime? A modest fine of a few thousand dollars divided up among ten defendants. "Farish paid $1,000, or a quarter of one week's salary, for having betrayed America." 


In New Jersey, charges of "criminal conspiracy with the enemy" were filed against Standard, then "dropped in return for Standard releasing its patents and paying the modest fine." But Arnold, and his ally, Secretary of the Interior Harold Ickes, weren't finished with Standard Oil just yet. They approached Senator Truman, chairman of the Senate Special Committee Investigating the National Defense Program. "With great enthusiasm Give 'em Hell Harry embarked on a series of hearings in March 1942, in order to disclose the truth about Standard." 


Between the 26th and the 28th of March, 1942, Arnold "produced documents showing that Standard and Farben in Germany had literally carved up the world markets, with oil and chemical monopolies all over the map," according to Higham. (12) 


Mintz and Cohen describe the confrontation:

 

"Four months after the United States entered World War II, the Justice Department obtained an indictment of Exxon and its principal officers for having made arrangements, starting in the late 1920s with I.G. Farben involving patent sharing and division of world markets. Jersey Standard agreed not to develop processes for the manufacture of synthetic rubber; in exchange, Farben agreed not to compete in the American petroleum market. After war broke out in Europe, but before the attack on Pearl Harbor, executives of Standard Oil and Farben, at a meeting in Holland, established a 'modus vivendi' for continuing the arrangements in event of war between the United States and Germany - although the arrangements interfered with the ability of the United States to make synthetic rubber desperately needed after it entered the war in December 1941. Rather than face a criminal trial, Exxon and the indicted executives entered no-contest pleas - the legal equivalent of guilty pleas - and were fined the minor sums which were the maximum amounts permitted by law. A few days later, on March 26, 1942, the Senate Special Committee Investigating the National Defense Program held a hearing at which Thurman Arnold, chief of the Antitrust Division, put into the record documents on which the [criminal] indictment had been based, including a memo from a Standard Oil official on the 'modus vivendi' agreed to in Holland. After the hearing, the committee chairman, Harry S. Truman, characterized the arrangements as treasonable." (13)

 

Another source book on this subject of US / Nazi corporate activities is "The Secret War Against the Jews," by Mark Aarons and John Loftus. Here is their version of the events:

 

"Before the war Standard of New Jersey had forged a synthetic oil and rubber cartel with the Nazi-controlled I.G. Farben," which "worked well until the United States joined the war in 1941. . . . Next to the Rockefellers, I.G. Farben owned the largest share of stock in Standard Oil of New Jersey. Among other things, Standard had provided Farben with its synthetic rubber patents and technical knowledge, while Farben had kept its patents to itself, under strict instructions from the Nazi government."

 

Evidence which Thurman Arnold turned over to the Truman Committee, which Truman would declare "treasonous," included "Standard's 1939 letter renewing its agreement, which made it clear that the Rockefellers' company was prepared to work with the Nazis whether their own government was at war with the Third Reich or not. Truman's Senate Committee on the National Defense was outraged and began to probe into the whole scandalous arrangement, much to the discomfort of John D. Rockefeller, Jr. Suddenly, however, the whole matter was dropped. 


"There was a reason for Rockefeller's escape: blackmail. According to the former intelligence officers we interviewed on this point, the blackmail was simple and powerful: The Dulles brothers [John Foster, later Secretary of State, and Allen, later director of the CIA] had one of their clients threaten to interrupt the U.S. oil supply during wartime." 


When confronted by Arnold on the Standard - Farben arrangement "Standard executives made it clear that the entire U.S. war effort was fueled by their oil and it could be stopped. . . . The American government had no choice but to go along if it wanted to win the war." (14) 


July 13, 1944, Ralph W. Gallagher, attorney for Standard Oil, filed a lawsuit against the U.S. government's seizure of the contested patents. "On November 7, 1945, Judge Charles E. Wyzanski gave his verdict," according to Higham. "He decided that the government had been entitled to seize the patents. Gallagher appealed. On September 22, 1947, Judge Charles Clark delivered the final word on the subject. He said, 'Standard Oil can be considered an enemy national in view of its relationships with I.G. Farben after the United States and Germany had become active enemies.' The appeal was denied." (15) 


One aspect of this Standard - I.G. Farben relationship, revealed in testimony during the Patents Committee hearings, chaired by Senator Homer T. Bone in May 1942, is of interest to those who seek direct evidence of a conspiracy by big oil companies to suppress development of synthetic substitutes to petrochemical products such as industrial chemicals, aircraft lubricants and fuel, all of which can be made from hemp: 


"On May 6th, John R. Jacobs, Jr., of the Attorney General's department, testified that Standard had interfered with the American explosives industry by blocking the use of a method of producing synthetic ammonia. As a result of its deals with Farben, the United States had been unable to get the use of this vital process even after Pearl Harbor. Also, the United States had been restricted in techniques of producing hydrogen from natural gas and from obtaining paraflow, a product used for airplane lubrication at high altitudes. . . ." 


On August 7th, "Texas oil operator C.R. Starnes appeared to testify that Standard had blocked him at every turn in his efforts to produce synthetic rubber after Pearl Harbor. . . ." 


On August 12th, "John R. Jacobs reappeared in an Army private's uniform (he had been inducted the day before) to bring up another disagreeable matter: Standard had also, in league with Farben, restricted production of methanol, a wood alcohol that was sometimes used as motor fuel." (16) 


The restriction against methanol production apparently did not apply to the Nazis, however. "As late as April 1943," Higham reveals, "General Motors in Stockholm [Sweden] was reported as trading with the enemy. . . . Further documents show that, as with Ford, repairs on German army trucks and conversion from gasoline to wood-gasoline production were being handled by GM in Switzerland." (17) 


The use of hemp as a source of methanol was known to the Nazis, revealed in the pamphlet "The Humorous Hemp Primer," published in Berlin, also in 1943. This document, recently re-published in the 1995 edition of "Hemp and the Marijuana Conspiracy: The Emperor Wears No Clothes," by veteran hemp conspiracy researcher Jack Herer, states that:

 

"Crops should not only provide food in large quantities, they can provide raw materials for industry. . . . Among such raw materials of especially high value is hemp . . . 


"The woody part of this large plant is not to be thrown out, since it can easily be used for surface coatings for the finest floors. It also provides paper and cardboard, building materials and wall paneling. Further processing will even produce wood sugar and wood gas. . . . 


"Anyone who grows hemp today need not fear a lack of a market, because hemp, as useful as it is, will be purchased in unlimited amounts." (18) 


The Nazis obviously considered hemp a vital war material that could be used to produce methanol, or "wood gas," at the same time, in 1943, that Du Pont-controlled General Motors in Switzerland was "converting from gasoline to wood-gasoline production." This, taken into consideration along with the earlier statement that Standard Oil-I.G. Farben had "restricted production of methanol" and the GM-Standard Oil-I.G. Farben joint venture, Ethyl, Inc., whose profitability depended on the production of lead-tetraethyl for oil-based petrochemical gasoline - in direct competition with the alternative methanol, or "wood gas," certainly opens new avenues of investigation into the existence of a conspiracy against hemp as an alternative, and competing, industrial raw material, by these very same corporations which sold America out to the Nazis for profit and control of world resources and markets. 


"Just after Pearl Harbor," writes Seldes, "the Assistant Attorney General, Mr. Thurman Arnold, issued a sensational report of the sabotage of the national [war production] program, the first report naming the practices which were later to be referred to as the treason of big business in wartime. Said Mr. Arnold:

 

"Looking back over 10 months of defense effort we can now see how much it has been hampered by the attitude of powerful basic industries who have feared to expand their production because expansion would endanger their future control of industry. 


"Anti-trust investigations during the past year have shown that there is not an organized basic industry in the United States which has not been restricting production by some device or other in order to avoid what they call 'ruinous overproduction after the war'." (19)

 

By "ruinous overproduction," of course, they meant free-market competition. So, to question the existence of an industrial conspiracy against competition, during the 1930s and 1940s, is pointless. It has long been totally documented by volumes of evidence, available in the public record. And among this list of convicted corporate conspirators are murderers, racists, pro-Nazi collaborators, blackmailers and American Fascists who plotted at least one armed take-over of the U.S. government. And the list is not yet complete. 


THE FORD MOTOR COMPANY 


Henry Ford, writes Higham, "admired Hitler from the beginning, when the future Fuhrer was a struggling and obscure fanatic. He shared with Hitler a fanatical hatred of Jews." 


"Ford's book 'The International Jew' was issued in 1927. A virulent anti-Semitic tract, it was still being distributed in Latin America and the Arab countries as late as 1945. Hitler admired the book and it influenced him deeply. Visitors to Hitler's headquarters at the Brown House in Munich noticed a large photograph of Henry Ford hanging in his office. Stacked high on the table outside were copies of Ford's book. As early as 1923," when Hitler heard that Ford was planning to run for President, he "told an interviewer from the 'Chicago-Tribune,' 'I wish that I could send some of my shock troops to Chicago and other big American cities to help'." 


As late as 1940, Ford Motor Company "refused to build aircraft engines for England and instead built supplies of the 5-ton military trucks that were the backbone of German army transportation." (20) 


The Ford Motor Company was also aware of the potential of hemp as an alternative industrial resource, devoting many years research to the subject. 


In a 1989 ABC Radio broadcast, Hugh Downs reported that in the 1930s, "the Ford Motor Company also saw a future in biomass fuels. Ford operated a successful biomass conversion plant that included hemp at their Iron Mountain facility in Michigan. Ford engineers extracted methanol, charcoal fuel, tar, pitch, ethyl acetate, and creosote - all fundamental ingredients for modern industry, and now supplied by oil-related industries. . . . Henry Ford's experiments with methanol promised cheap, readily-available fuel." (21) 


As reported in "Popular Mechanics" in December, 1941, Ford's research represented "an industrial revolution in progress . . . a revolution in materials that will affect every home." (22) 


So, it is possible, even likely, that Ford and General Motors conversion "from gasoline to wood-gasoline production" for Nazi Germany, as earlier reported by Higham, involved at least some consideration of hemp as a resource, if not actual production of "wood-gas" from hemp. After all, Ford had already committed several years and significant research dollars to the subject. 


The implication of methanol fuel patents, hemp industry research and production facilities, all in the hands of this cabal of Nazi-allied American corporations, during a proven period of anti-competition conspiracies, and wartime blackmail against the U.S. government, should provide additional support for the hemp conspiracy theories. The fact is that Nazi Germany recognized hemp as a vital war material - one which, just before America's entrance into World War II, was positioned to compete in the free-market against the products controlled by the Pro-Nazi American corporations. Unrestricted expansion of United States industrial hemp production threatened not only the profits of these treasonous corporations, but the degree of their control over America's production of vital war materials. 


This view of hemp, not as a "dangerous drug" but as a vital war material, was acknowledged by the Kentucky Legislature a little over 100 years before the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. In 1841, according to Professor James F. Hopkins, author of "A History of the Hemp Industry in Kentucky," published by the University of Kentucky Press in 1951: 


"When the farmers of Woodford County [KY] assembled in October, 1841, to consider a program of hemp production for the navy, they only went as far as to express an opinion that the government should employ a rope spinner in Kentucky for the purpose of converting the fiber into yarns, which could be transported much more cheaply and safely than the bulky raw material. The Committee on Agriculture of the Kentucky House of Representatives inquired into the matter early in 1842 . . . 


"Both houses of the General Assembly sent to the Senators and Congressmen from Kentucky a request that they use their 'best exertions' to have established in the state one or more agencies for the inspection and manufacture of hemp for the navy. A select committee of Congress, appointed to consider the resolutions from Kentucky, reported three resolutions of its own: that the navy be directed to construct a factory at Louisville 'for the purpose of depositing and manufacturing . . . such hempen fabrics of domestic water-rotted hemp as the public service may require'; that inspectors be appointed to test the fiber that might be offered for sale; and that, after due notice to the public, purchase of the necessary amount of fiber be made at the factory. The Committee contended that its plan would build up during peacetime a source of hemp which would be vitally important in case of war, encourage American agriculture and manufactures, and decrease the unfavorable balance of trade." (23) 



[NOTE: For many years we Kentuckians have had a good deal of our heritage and history buried beneath a thick layer of propaganda from a source of power and control in this country which knows neither honor nor justice. Now, we are learning the truth. Our history as a state built upon the foundation of a long- and dishonestly- outlawed industry endures.]
  


 

INTERNATIONAL TELEPHONE AND TELEGRAPH 


Even after Pearl Harbor, ITT was working for the Nazis, reports Higham: ". . . the German army, navy, and air force contracted with ITT for the manufacture of switchboards, telephones, alarm gongs, buoys, air raid warning devices, radar equipment, and thirty thousand fuses per month for artillery shells used to kill British and American troops." 
 


ITT also "supplied ingredients for the rocket bombs that fell on London," and other devices as well, without which "it would have been impossible for the German air force to kill American and British troops, for the German army to fight the Allies in Africa, Italy, France, and Germany, for England to have been bombed, or for Allied ships to have been attacked at sea." (24) 


In 1938, "following a series of meetings with Luftwaffe chief Herman Goring, [ITT founder and chairman Sosthenes] Behn encouraged ITT's Lorenz subsidiary to purchase 28 percent of the Focke-Wulf firm, manufacturer of the bombers that were to sink so many Allied ships during the war," according to researcher and author Jim Hougan. (25) 


Anthony Sampson, in "The Sovereign State of ITT," reports on what is perhaps the most bizarre aspect of the US/Nazi corporate partnership, war reparations:

 

". . . ITT now presents itself as the innocent victim of the Second World War, and has been handsomely recompensed for its injuries. In 1967, nearly thirty years after the events, ITT actually managed to obtain $27 million in compensation from the American government, for war damage to Focke-Wulf plants - on the basis that they were American property bombed by Allied bombers." (26)

 

The Foreign Claims Settlement Commission was responsible for this payment to ITT, and other U.S. corporations as well. 


Bradford Snell reports that "After the cessation of hostilities, GM and Ford demanded reparations from the U.S. Government for wartime damages sustained by their Axis facilities as a result of Allied bombing. By 1967 GM had collected more than $33 million in reparations and Federal tax benefits for damages to its warplane and motor vehicle properties in formerly Axis territories . . . Ford received a little less than $1 million, primarily as a result of damages sustained by its military truck complex at Cologne." (27) 


ALLEN DULLES: ARCHITECT OF THE US-NAZI NETWORK 


Contemporary history records Allen Dulles as one of America's top spymasters, from his early days in the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) in World War II, to his position as Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in the 1950s and early 1960s (until President John F. Kennedy fired him over the Bay of Pigs disaster in 1961), and finally to his membership on the controversial Warren Commission, which investigated President Kennedy's assassination. Until recently, his pivotal role in promoting a U.S. corporate relationship with the Nazis was little known. Loftus and Aarons describe the post-World War I role of Allen, and his brother, John Foster, in the following terms:

 

"We first turn to Dulles's creation of international finance networks for the benefit of the Nazis. In the beginning, moving money into the Third Reich was quite legal. Lawyers saw to that. And Allen and his brother John Foster were not just any lawyers. They were international finance specialists for the powerful Wall Street law firm of Sullivan & Cromwell. . . . 


"The Dulles brothers were the ones who convinced American businessmen to avoid U.S. government regulation by investing in Germany. It began with the Versailles Treaty, in which they played no small role. After World War I the defeated German government promised to pay war reparations to the Allies in gold, but Germany had no gold. It had to borrow the gold from Sullivan & Cromwell's clients in the United States. Nearly 70 percent of the money that flowed into Germany during the 1930s came from investors in the United States, many of them Sullivan & Cromwell clients. . . 


"Foster Dulles, as a member of the board of I.G. Farben, seems to have had little difficulty in getting along with whoever was in charge. Some of our sources insist that both Dulles brothers made substantial but indirect contributions to the Nazi party as the price of continued influence inside the new German order. . . ." (28)

 

 

NOTES: U.S. CORPORATIONS AND THE NAZIS

 
Facts and Fascism, George Seldes, p. 122 
Trading with the Enemy, Charles Higham, p. 167 
Even the Gods Can't Change History, Seldes, pp. 140-144 
Facts and Fascism, p. 68 
Ibid., p. 262 
Trading with the Enemy, pp. 162-165 
Ibid., p. 166 
Power, Inc., Morton and Mintz, pp. 497-499 
Trading with the Enemy, pp. 163-165 
The Plot to Seize the White House, Jules Archer, Hawthorn Books, 1973 (Quoted from It's A Conspiracy, National Insecurity Council, EarthWorks Press, 1992, pp. 179-184) 
Trading with the Enemy, pp. 167-168 
Facts and Fascism, pp. 68-70 
Trading with the Enemy, pp. 45-46 
Power, Inc, pp. 499-500 
The Secret War Against The Jews, Aarons and Loftus, pp. 44-65 
Trading with the Enemy, pp. 61-62 
Ibid., pp. 49-52 
Ibid., p. 176 
The Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer, pp. 127-130 
One Thousand Americans, Seldes, pp. 142-143 
Trading with the Enemy, pp. 154-156 
Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do, p. 734 
Popular Mechanics Magazine, Vol. 76, No. 6, Dec. 1941 
(The Emperor Wears No Clothes, 1995 edition, p. 199) 
A History of the Hemp Industry in Kentucky, Professor James F. Hopkins, 
University of Kentucky Press, 1951 
Trading with the Enemy, p. 99 
Spooks, Jim Hougan, pp. 423-424 
The Sovereign State of ITT, Anthony Sampson, p. 47 
(Power, Inc., pp. 500-501) 
GM and the Nazis, by Bradford C. Snell, Ramparts Magazine, June 1974, pp. 14-16 (Democracy for the Few, Michael Parenti, pp. 91-92) 
The Secret War Against the Jews, pp. 55-60
 

 

THE NEW WORLD (DIS)ORDER 


"The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling power. 


"Among us today a concentration of private power without equal in history is growing." - President Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1) 


As mentioned earlier, the secret U.S./Nazi corporate alliance during World War II was the result of substantial American investment in post-World War I Germany. In order to protect these investments, and the accumulating profits, the U.S. multinational corporations remained an important part of the Nazi war machine until the final defeat of Germany in 1945. What effect did the end of World War II have on this faction of American Nazi collaborators? 


In this section we will review the evidence, much of it from recently de-classified documents, that this pro-Nazi faction, rather than facing charges of high treason, became an integral part of the United States national security apparatus, extending its fascist influence in both foreign and domestic policies and, in effect, creating what has been referred to as America's "Invisible Government." The excuse, of course, was Communism. 


THE BUGGING OF WALL STREET 


Aarons and Loftus' research, which documents the Dulles brothers' pro-Nazi activities, did not go unnoticed. "Before his death, former Supreme Court Justice Arthur Goldberg granted one of the authors an interview. Justice Goldberg had served in U.S. intelligence during World War II. Although he said little in public, he had collected information on the Dulles boys' activities over the years. His verdict was blunt. 'The Dulles brothers were traitors.' They had betrayed their country, by giving aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war." (2) 


Much of what is now known about the activities of the Dulles brothers and other American Nazi collaborators in banking and industry came as a result of a top-secret joint U.S.-British intelligence program known as the Ultra Project. "Prior to the United States' entry into the war," write Loftus and Aarons, "Roosevelt permitted British intelligence to wiretap American targets.

 

"According to our sources in the intelligence community, the area of coverage included a good bit of the New York financial district, several floors of Rockefeller Plaza, part of the RCA Building, two prominent clubs, and various shipping firms. . . . 


"The wiretap unit reported to Sir William Stephenson, a Canadian electronics genius better known by his code name, 'Intrepid.' From his headquarters in the Rockefeller building, Stephenson's job was to identify U.S. companies that were aiding the Nazis." (3) 


"Several months before the United States declared war," continue Loftus and Aarons, "Bill Donovan invited Allen Dulles to head up the New York branch of the Office of the Coordinator of Information (COI), President Roosevelt's new intelligence agency and the precursor to the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). Its primary mission was to collect information against the Nazis and their collaborators. In other words, Dulles was asked to inform on his own clients in New York. . . ." 


"Roosevelt had approved his selection as head of the COI Manhattan branch because he wanted Dulles where the British wiretappers could keep an eye on him. . . . 


"One floor below Dulles was Stephenson's wiretap shop. Inside Dulles's operation was one of Roosevelt's spies, Arthur Goldberg . . ." who, "confirmed . . . that Dulles's appointment was a setup. . . . 


"Roosevelt was giving Dulles enough rope to hang himself. From Stephenson's Manhattan wiretaps, it is known that Dulles was continuing to work with his German business clients, who wanted to remove Hitler and install a puppet of their own who would make peace with the West while forging an alliance against Stalin. It was to be a kinder, gentler Third Reich, favorably disposed to American financial interests. . . . (4) 


"The wiretap evidence against Dulles originally was collected by a special section of Operation Safehaven, the U.S. Treasury Department's effort to trace the movement of stolen Nazi booty towards the end of the war. Roosevelt and Treasury Secretary Henry Morganthau had set up Dulles by giving him the one assignment - intelligence chief in Switzerland - where he would be most tempted to aid his German clients with their money laundering."

 

Roosevelt had one thing in mind: "The sudden release of the Safehaven intercepts would force a public outcry to bring treason charges against those British and American businessmen who aided the enemy in time of war." Among the targets were Allen Dulles, Henry Ford, and other U.S. industrialists. (5) 


The plan failed, however, due to Dulles being "tipped off . . . that he was under surveillance" in time to cover his tracks. One possible source of the leak was Vice President Henry Wallace, "who constantly shared information with his brother-in-law, the Swiss minister in Washington during the war." 


"Wallace," the authors reveal, "gave many details of his secret meetings with Roosevelt to the Swiss diplomat." The problem was that, at the time, the Nazis "had recruited the head of the Swiss secret service." 


It is, perhaps, no coincidence that Roosevelt dropped Wallace during the 1944 election, choosing instead Senator Harry S. Truman as his new running mate. (6) 


THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY

 

"After the Nazis' 1943 defeat at Stalingrad," write Loftus and Aarons, "various Nazi businessmen realized they were on the losing side and made plans to evacuate their wealth. The Peron government in Argentina was receiving the Nazi flight capital with open arms, and Dulles helped it hide the money. . . . 


"The Guinness Book of Records lists the missing Reichsbank treasure [estimated at $2.5 billion dollars] as the greatest unsolved bank robbery in history. Where did it go? . . . . 


"According to our source, the bulk of the treasure was simply shipped a very short distance across Austria and through the Brenner Pass into Italy. Dulles's contacts were waiting at the Vatican. The German-Vatican connection was how Allen Dulles and the Nazi industrialists planned to get away with it. . . ." (7)

 

The effort was successful, according to the authors, who state that the "vast bulk of the wealth of the Nazi empire" which "disappeared before the end of World War II" reappeared "within a decade in the hands of the same men who financed Hitler's war against the Jews. Allen Dulles's clients were not defeated, only inconvenienced." The authors identify two of Dulles's accomplices as James Jesus Angleton and his father, Hugh Angleton. The Angletons were members of X-2, the OSS counterintelligence branch in Italy, in 1943. 


Like Dulles, Hugh Angleton was financially involved with Axis powers. He was the European representative for National Cash Register in Italy before the war and business associate of Dulles. When World War II broke out, the authors write, 


". . . Angleton was crushed financially as all his investments were in enemy hands. 

"Like Dulles's clients, he wanted his money back. Like Dulles, Hugh offered his services to the OSS." With high-placed contacts in Mussolini's Interior Ministry, Hugh was accepted and "promoted rapidly in U.S. intelligence. He became second in command to Colonel Clifton Carter, the OSS commander in Italy at the end of World War II." (8)

 

Perhaps the most controversial information which is now emerging with the release of recently declassified documents concerning World War II, is the role of the Vatican, both in its pre-war German investments, and its role in helping Nazi war criminals escape justice after the war. Concerning the Vatican-German investments, Loftus and Aarons are quite clear:

 

"That the Vatican encouraged such investments and even donated money to Hitler himself cannot be denied. A German nun, Sister Pascalina, was present at its creation. In the early 1920s she was the housekeeper for Archbishop of the Vatican-Nazi connection . . . Eugenio Pacelli, then the papal nuncio in Munich. Sister Pascalina vividly recalls receiving Adolf Hitler late one night and watching the archbishop give Hitler a large amount of Church money."

 

In addition, Eugenio Pacelli 


"later convinced the Vatican to invest millions of dollars in the rising German economy, money from the Vatican's land settlement that ended the Pope's claim of sovereignty over territory outside the walls of Vatican City. It was Pacelli who negotiated the Concordat with Germany and then had to deal with the consequences of his own mistakes when he became pope on the eve of World War II. 

"The Vatican and the Dulles brothers had the same problem. Once their money was in Hitler's hands, how would they get it back?"

 

The authors interviewed "a former colonel in U.S. Military Intelligence who specialized in tracing enemy assets. He claimed that only a tiny portion of the Reichbank's gold ingots actually reached the Vatican Bank, while the rest was held in cooperative banks in Belgium, Liechtenstein, and especially Switzerland." It was only necessary to transfer the paperwork on the gold, not the gold itself. Since, by that time, Dulles knew his telegraph communications were being monitored by the British wiretap operation in New York, he instead used couriers to "ensure absolute secrecy in moving the foreign currency and the ownership documents out of Switzerland . . . special agents of the Vatican who had diplomatic immunity to move back and forth across both Nazi and Allied lines. . . ." (9)

 

". . . . The Vatican's eminence grise for Balkan intelligence, the Bosnian-Croat priest Krunoslav Draganovic, was involved in transporting large quantities of Nazi booty, especially gold bullion, from Austria to the safety of the Holy See with the help of the Dulles-Angleton clique in Rome. Some of the booty was transported in truck convoys run by British troops. Other shipments were carried in U.S. Army jeeps provided to Father Draganovic so that he could conduct pastoral visits' on behalf of the Vatican. 


"Another ardent Nazi propagandist and agent, Slovenian bishop Gregory Rozman, was sent to Bern with the help of Dulles's friends in U.S. intelligence. Declassified U.S. intelligence files confirm that Bishop Rozman was suspected of trying to arrange the transfer of huge quantities of Nazi-controlled gold and Western currency that had been discreetly secreted in Swiss banks during the war. For a few months the Allies prevented Rozman from gaining access to this treasure, but then the way was mysteriously cleared. In fact, the Dulles-Vatican connection had fixed it, and before too long the bishop obtained the loot for his Nazi friends, who were hiding in Argentina. 


"Such instances turned out to be only the tip of the iceberg. It has long been acknowledged that it was Allen Dulles who tipped off General Patton about the buried German treasure that lay in the path of the U.S. Third Army. Patton explicitly urged General Eisenhower to conceal as much of the gold as possible, but his advice


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Re: Question: Decrim - "improvement" or "genocide"?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 808719 
13 Feb 2004 16:32:58
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"Hell i choose the VW and continue working to-wards getting the BMW."

That's not a VW - it's a paddy wagon with "second offence" or "forced treatment" or "didn't fool the customs agent" written on the side.




 
 
"To do nothing is a victory for the prohibitionist status quo, remember if your in jail time is not on our side."

It's not like we're doing nothing ... you should come down to Vancouver and see what we're up to and then go do that in your own neighbourhood like other Canadians have.



 
 

 
"BTW dave Genocide is the Systematic killing of a racial or cultural group."

Sorry. Go read my last post on the subject. 1) Your definition is incomplete, and 2) everyone who grows or deals cannabis faces a real risk of death from raids and imprisonment. 



 
"Dave whats it like to live in a perfect world?"

I don't live in one, nor do I hope to, but I won't stop fighting for a sustainable and just world, and I don't satisfy as easily as you do.

  


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Not "hate", "awareness" that makes me use 'G' word
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 808689 
13 Feb 2004 16:09:44
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"Genocide my god Dave what are you claiming now. Has the Canadian government started executing people for cannabis use or for any other reason?"

You are mistaken if you think Genocide only means killing.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/mayjune96/grasstown.html

March 14, 1969, Georgia Straight.

Don't carry cannabis in your car. Don't walk around with it on your person. You might me stopped and searched at any time, not by a narc, but by an ordinary traffic cop, a cop on the beat, or one driving a paddy wagon. Quietly, without the usual fanfare, every policeman in every major Canadian city has been trained and ordered to search every young person who might possible be a head. Anyone with longish hair. . .

Genocide is a term poularized by the trials of the Nazis at Nuremburg. It's reality is as old as history, still with us, still practiced in various forms by US and Russian imperialists. But genocide is not homocide. Consider the roots of the word: genus, type or kind, and cedere, to kill thus, to kill, not individuals, but their individualistic traits, their community, their kind . . .

Essentially genocide is the utmost expression of cultural imperialism - the practice of stripping a people of their particular cultural characteristics, and imposing on them by force the "proper way of life." Thus in practice the powers-that-be use minimum force - arresting enough to dampen enthusiasm, but not quite enough to provoke resistance. Our power structure prefers to rule with that special mix of police terror and material reward which is the trademark of modern "democratic" totalitarianism. BRAVE NEW WORLD has been married to 1984.


Or consider the UN definition of the term:

http://www.preventgenocide.org/genocide/officialtext.htm

The international legal definition of the crime of genocide is found in Articles II and III of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide. 

Article II:  In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: 


(a) Killing members of the group; 
 
 (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; 
 
 (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; 
 
 (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; 
 
 (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. "

How many ways do we qualify? Any time the police force their way into a "grow lab" they are allowed to use deadly force if they encounter any resistance. That fits (a). Remember Daniel Posse? Howabout "serious harm"? I would call being locked up with rapists and murderers and little in the way of a proper diet and mental stimulation or anything aproaching a decent life "serious harm". That's (b). "Increased pressure" on the growers and dealers (like Paul Martin is promising to go along with "easing up") would increase (a) and (b) dramatically. As for (c) - they plan to have a "drug free" society. That means they won't stop until we're gone. Forced treatment and/or mandatory minimums will definately allow us to qualify for part (c). As for (d) - inprisonment tends to have that effect, and (e) that happens all the time.

We qualify for protection under the 1948 anti-genocide treaty under all five categories of genocide - and we only need one to qualify.






"Dave there are counties that are killing their citizens and anyone foolish enough to travel there because of their political or religious beliefs.
Please don't compare this type of oppression with what cannabis users experience in Canada. Because if you do i have no choice but to point out to you that you have lost all touch with reality."

If you are saying that genocide isn't really genocide if it's done slowly and with as little death as possible, I can't agree with that. Genocide is genocide whether it's quick or slow - and with the Liberal's "descrim", it may get a lot quicker.





"Remember in your case Dave its a pleasure to smoke, and is not a necessity for life. While in other countries even the necessities are denied."

It is the freedom to do any harmless activity I like without fear of arrest which is the true "necessity" - be it my choice of drug, food, hairstyle - whatever. There is no harmless choice so insignifigant that it should not be protected from Nazi-like persecution..... remember, the Nazi's started slow, too. Remember also that those mass executions for drug crimes in Asian, African and Middle-East countries are only a plane-ride away.

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2119.html






"To answer your question i think bill C-38 is neither. But it does pave the way for true decriminalization at a later date."

WHAT? Sorry, this ain't a job I'm handing over to my grand-kids. It's now or it's never.

 



"This is as good as were going to get at this time." 

"If we settle for nothing now, we'll settle for nothing later" - Rage Aganist The Machine






"Funny thing is about the increase in penalties for large grow ops is even if cannabis became legal, large grow operations would be still be illegal and carry long jail time. Just like distilling alcohol and selling home brew does now. I know what your after dave its called revenge or hate and you sure are full of it. Let it go before it eats you alive."

No, I disagree. I'm full of facts like what "cultural genocide" really means and how slowly it first starts in other historical examples. You should really read up on what anti-semitism was like in the 1930's and how different it was in the 1940's. It only takes a little for them to go after us all.

You should also find out that the folks behind the drug war and the folks behind Nazi Germany are the same folks:

www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer

I don't hate anyone. I just wish we could all learn from history.


  


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Re: Question: Decrim - "improvement" or "genocide"
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 808509 
13 Feb 2004 14:09:49
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Forget booze and tobacco - those are hard drugs. We want our kids to know the difference. It should be regulated like organic herbs currently are - as a Natural Health Product.

But then we gotta fight CODEX.

But that will be more fun than fighting prohibition....and when we win THAT war, all the herbs will be free.

 


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Question: Decrim - "improvement" or "genocide"?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 808461 
13 Feb 2004 13:30:25
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I'm taking a little poll to see if their new "ease up" "pre-election" scam is working on anybody. Please feel free to respond yea or nea below, and give your reasons.


In my mind, 1) they've lied before about "untraceable records", 2) it is an offence to lie to a customs agent and they know that, 3) this is only for one ticket, the next one gets you "forced treatment" according to Hedy Fry, 4) they now can afford to go after everyone with tickets - thousands at a time, 5) there will still be pressure to "crack down" later on with mandatory minimums and increased fines, even if they are not slipped into the present bill at the last moment. I do not believe for one second this bill is worth supporting. It offers us nothing unless you consider one - ONE - chance to "try to lie to customs". I feel those that feel we can trust the liberals to "ease up" on us weren't paying attention to the last time Hedy and her "Liberals" tried this trick. They've even stopped calling it "decrim", and are now calling it "punishment amendments".

I say: DECRIM = GENOCIDE! ZERO PUNISHMENT NOW!

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1586.html

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2216.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2302.html 

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1514.html
 
 


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davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 808426 
13 Feb 2004 12:56:21
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Dear Patrick,


Thank you for your respectful and thoughtful letter.



"I was struck by a statement you made in CC 46, The Radioactivity Debate, in your reply to Noucetta Kehdi. You stated that "researchers have induced cancer in animal test subjects that inhaled polonium 210 but were unable to cause cancer through the inhalation of any of the non-radioactive chemical carcinogens found in tobacco . . ."

If this statement has been proven to be incorrect, a simple citation of the more recent study or studies that disprove it would help to correct the record. As far as I know, nobody has offered any specific study to disprove this. If you have such a study, please let me know.







"Presumably you are referring to the Yuille et al article in your original column? If so, you are making an exceedingly weak argument. First, that article is now 37 years old, and literally thousands of research papers of the chemical composition of tobacco smoke and tobacco-related carcinogenesis have appeared since then. Second, few of the chemical carcinogens in tobacco smoke had even been *identified* in 1967, much less adequately tested using animal models,"

What is true in animal models may not be true for humans. I only mentioned the "Yuille" study because it differentiated between skin and airborn tests, and that it backed-up what humans have been experiencing in terms of radioactive tobacco cancer - there were few tobacco-related lung cancers before the mass use of chemical ferts, and there seems to be a temporal connection between the increase in chem ferts and an increase in tobacco and lung cancer.





".... either orally or via inhalation. Cannabis enthusiasts rightly fault prohitionists when they seletively cite outdated or subsequently refuted research, yet this example is just as misleading."

Again, if you have studies that directly refute that, please post them to me.




"Third, contrary to what you argue, it is just plain false that none of the chemical carcinogens in tobacco smoke have been shown to be inhalational carcinogens in animal studies (most of the carcinogens in tobacco smoke are created by combustion). To take one example, the PAH (polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon) benzo[a]pyrene, which is a chemical carcingon present in both tobacco and cannabis smoke, caused respiratory tract cancers in 35% of Syrian Golden Hamsters in long-term exposure studies (using doses far higher than that present in tobacco/cannabis smoke, as is normally the case with such rodent toxicological studies) (e.g. Pauluhn et al, 1985; Thyssen et al, 1981)."

Is this a study that took into account both radiation and "airborne" application? Is this study on-line or in a place where I could easily access it?





"What's more, benzo[a]pyrene has been shown to preferentially cause so-called G>T DNA base-pair transversions in the tumour suppressor gene P53, which are very common in human tobacco-related lung tumors but much more rare in other cancers (Yoon et al, 2001; Pfeifer et al, 2002). Thus there is good evidence linking particular carcinogens in tobacco smoke to mutational profile often observed in tobacco-associated cancers."

How did they differentiate between cancern caused by the radioactivity and cancer caused by the benzo[a]pyrene? Were these tests airborn smoke?



 


"And of course, PAH's and many other tobacco-smoke carcinogens have been shown to be carcinogenic in animal models when they have been directly applied to respiratory tract tissue or administered orally or by intraperitoneal injection."

I always tell everyone not to apply cannabis tars to their lungs using sticks, pills or needles. At this point I must fall back on human experience. Why has the "benzo[a]pyrene" not caused a single case of human cannabis-related lung cancer in 6000 years of use?





 


"IMHO, there should be little doubt that chemical carcinogens, rather than Po from apatite, play the major role in tobacco-associated cancers."

Little doubt? Explain the lack of cancer in non-laboratory humans, then. Remeber, some people smoke the stuff like it was going out of style, but not one "marijuana-only" smoker has ever, ever, ever gone on to get lung cancer. I don't understand how you can have "little doubt" and take that glaring statistic into account at the same time.

You seem to forget that the government has spent millions of dollars trying to tell us that cannabis is inherently bad for us, and yet has failed to find a single case of marijuana-only cancer. It's not supprising they shout "benzo[a]pyrene" as much as possible because out of all the things tested on animals from cannabis, it hurts the most. But only (I believe) when it is applied in the most unnatural of doses in the most unnatural of ways. Please prove me wrong.








"By all means, though, I am interested in contrary evidence, and if you are aware of any good evidence associating Po in tobacco with tobacco-associated cancers, please email the references to me."

Well, have you read the other articles I have written on the subject? The info regarding fertilizer use is in both:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2673.html

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2221.html

Here is a neat show I did on PTV about how to test for radioactivity in ferts:

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1153.html


As far as I know, that's all the material published on the issue. I am always collecting more information, so if you can help in that department, I would be very happy.




"The evidence hitherto presented in the two CC columns is not terribly convincing, to me. For instance, are there animal studies showing that inhalation of Po produces cancers at all the tobacco-associated cancer sites?"

There are human studies, which I find more interesting.

http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Drugs/THC/Health/cancer.rad.html

Levels of Po-210 were measured in cigarette smoke by Radford and Hunt (2) and in the bronchial epithelium of smokers and nonsmokers by Little et al. (3) After inhalation, ciliary action causes the insoluble radioactive particles to accumulate at the bifurcation of segmental bronchi, a common site of origin of bronchogenic carcinomas. 


 



"Can these tumours be produced at Po doses analogous to those recieved by human tobacco smokers? Are the mutational profiles produced in these animal or in vitro models consistent with the mutational profiles observed in tumours of human smokers (e.g. overrepresentation of G>T transversions in P53)?"

Sorry, I'm a layman, you'll have to translate into common english for me.





"Is the carcinogenicity of tobacco tar correlated with its radioactivity?"

That seems reasonable. Does the following answer your question?

In a person smoking 1 1/2 packs of cigarettes per day, the radiation dose to the bronchial epithelium in areas of bifurcation is 8000 mrem per year -- the equivalent of the dose to the skin from 300 x-ray films of the chest per year. This figure is comparable to total-body exposure to natural background radiation containing 80 mrem per year in someone living in the Boston area. 

http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Drugs/THC/Health/cancer.rad.html


 Read the above links fully - especially the last one which was published in the 1980's in the NEJM - and you tell me.



 


"Is the carcinogenicity of tobacco tar impacted by type of fertilizer used to grow the tobacco?"

Another reasonable guess. We know the radioactivity is impacted by the type of fert:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2673.html





 


"It should be relatively easy to design experiments that would reveal whether and to what extent Po contributes to the carcinogenicity of tobacco smoke and tar."


Please do so, and I can steer other interested parties in that direction.




 
"In passing, I should point out that I don't believe that cannabis use is a significant risk factor for lung cancer, since it is typically consumed at far lower doses than is tobacco."

Due to the fact that there are exceptions to that rule who STILL don't get lung cancer, I prefer to believe that it is the dose of radiation, not the dose of tar, which is the most important factor. 





 "Nevertheless, it is perfectly clear that while cannabis itself, and particularly THC, are not carcinogenic (in fact, THC has an anti-tumor effect at very high doses), combustion of cannabis results in production of some of the same carcinogens found in tobacco smoke, including benzo[a]pyrene. Cannabis smoke is mutagenic in in vitro tests, and cannabis tar is carcinogenic in mouse skin test (in which cannabis tar is painted onto the skin). There are case-control epidemiological studies linking cannabis use to increased lung and head-and-neck cancer risk, but these are inconsistent."



Most people do not realize, nor are the media told, that a pre-cancerous lesion is any tissue abnormality; abrasion, eruption, or redness. Unlike the radioactive lesions caused by tobacco, the THC-related lesions contain no radioactivity. 


We asked Tashkin how many people had gone on to get lung cancer in these studies -- or any other studies on long-term smokers like Rastas, Coptics, etc.? 


Dr. Tashkin, sitting his UCLA laboratory, looked at me and said, "Well, that's the strange part. So far no one we've studied has gone on to get lung cancer." 


"Was this reported to the press in the article?" 


"Well, it's in the article," Dr. Tashkin said in passing, "but no one in the press even asked. They just assumed the worst." 

http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/hemp/prohibition/no-clothes.html





 "I don't doubt though that if cannabis smokers smoked as much cannabis as tobacco smokers smoked tobacco, that cannabis smoking would then by significantly associated with lung and other cancers.

Respectfully,
Patrick Spears

Refs

Pauluhn et al, 1985. Long-term inhalation study with benzo[a]pyrene and SO2 in Syrian golden hamsters. Exp. Pathol., 28,31.

Pfeifer et al, 2002. Tobacco smoke carcinogens, DNA damage and p53 mutations in smoking-associated cancers. Oncogene, 21, 7435â?"7451.

Thyssen et al, 1981. Inhalation studies with benzo[a]pyrene in Syrian golden hamsters. J. Natl. Cancer Inst., 66, 575.

Yoon et al, 2001. Methylated CpG Dinucleotides Are the Preferential Targets for G-to-T Transversion Mutations Induced by Benzo[a]pyrene Diol Epoxide in Mammalian Cells. Cancer Research 61, 7110-7117.

Yuille et al, 1967. Lung cancer following Pb210 inhalation in rats.Radiation Res 31:760-774."


 
 




I feel you are wrong. I smoke more cannabis than many tobacco smokers smoke tobacco, I know many other morning-noon&night puffers, I even know some dealers who have to do quality-control testing all day long.....none of us are in the Cancer ward. If we did get cancer, the #1 suspect would be the radioactive ferts, not the benzo[a]pyrene. That's what the above evidence tells me.
 
Respectfully,

David Malmo-Levine
www.potshotzine.com
www.cannabisculture.com

Always take time out to stop and smoke the flowers! 



Patrick, 
 
Further regarding how "out-dated" my material was in our last conversation ... 
 
I found in my research: 
 
Surprisingly, the US National Cancer Institute, with an annual budget of $500 million, has no active grants for research on radiation as a cause of lung cancer.1 
 
Winters, TH and Franza, JR. 'Radioactivity in Cigarette Smoke,' New England Journal of Medicine, 1982. 306(6): 364-365 
 
http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Drugs/THC/Health/cancer.rad.html 
 
 
 
It's not like the information was done once, refuted and never done again (as is often the case with cannabis research). This research was done repeatedly, verified, and then the funding was cut off. 
 
It's also not true that any of this research was refuted, nor is it true than nothing has been done since the 1980's. Gus Kilthau (refered to in my work and below) was active in the late 1990's doing similar research, despite not being funded by the National Cancer Institute. 
 
Basically, it's all just a coverup by the Chemical, Agricultural and Nuclear corporations, who all wish to avoid being held liable for polluting the earth and the lungs of smokers. 
 
For another contemporary example of phosphate ferts being blamed for lung cancer in smokers, see the info below. 
 
Sincerely (and curious to know what you think), 
 
David Malmo-Levine 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Folks like Abby have been around for a long time
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 808394 
13 Feb 2004 12:00:56
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Just for the record, I come at this as an atheist with a jewish Dad - and as the rule goes, you can't even call yourself a "half-jew" (membership is passed through the mom, not the dad) so even though I would have gotten gassed for my proximity to the club, I cannot claim membership to the club. As one Rabbi put it: "Should we let some anti-semite define what it is to be a jew?" 

Hard to argue with a Rabbi.

I still think Abby sounds just like all the other anti-jews throughout history....he repeats all the old tales, and doesn't bother inventing any new ones up:




In this 14th Century Catalan wall-painting a Jew is shown wearing the customery yellow circle which all Jews were forced by law to wear sewn on their outdoor clothing.
http://psychicinvestigator.com/demo/HildTXT.htm

http://www.chgs.umn.edu/Histories__Narratives__Documen/Visualizing_Otherness_Set_1/visualizing_otherness_set_1.html
























 


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Counter-Counterspin
Re: Decrim sucks - here's why!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 808356 
13 Feb 2004 11:12:55
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Canada, politicians, and promises of "decrim" 
- 34 years of paternalism and bullshit 

What does "decrim" mean? One thing it does NOT mean is "no punishment whatsoever" - that's always been called "legalization". If anything, "decriminalization" simply means "no criminal record". 
In Singapore, cannabis decriminalization means years of abstinence-based treatment in the form of large fines, group therapy, urinalysis and community service. 
-Dec. 15/89/NYT , see also http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1586.html 

In some places in the USA, the cannabis decriminalization resembles that of Singapore. 

-The Province (British Columbia), Nov. 1, 1998 

In Toronto, first-time marijuana offenders are forced to do "community work". 

-March 6, 1998 London Free Press 

In South Australia, 20% more pot-possession cases came before the courts than before the fine system was put into place. In Canada, non-payment of a fine usually gets you jail time at a rate of $70 per day. So your third pot possession ticket would get you two weeks in jail if you couldn't cough up $1000. 

-"Decriminalization is Dangerous" Cannabis Culture magazine, issue #35, http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2216.html 

But whenever the politicians talk about "decrim", they usually talk about it as if they were "easing up" on cannabis users and dealing with the "disproportionality" of the law. If they're easing up on users, then why do the fines, forced treatment and forced labour seem just as bad - if not worse - than the "criminal record"? And does decrim guarantee absolutely no record or no jail time? And if it means SOME kind of record and the possibility of jail time for unpaid fines, can we really call it "decrim"? 

Let us take a trip into the history of Canadian cannabis politics.... A history of the big fat lie that is "decrim" .... 


Apr. 18, 1967 CBC - "Gandalf's" - Canada's first headshop, began the first era of Canadian pot activism. Laurence Cherniak - later to become famous for his books of photos of cannabis and hashish - gave an interview and implied (quite correctly) that cannabis was less harmful than tobacco. 
http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3586 
http://www.marijuana.ac/cat/lit/gbc/index.html 
http://www.tokacola.com/cat/lit/gbhash.jpg 


June 19th, 1969 - CBC - "Decriminalization" is the topic of a panel discussion on CBC television. The possibility of fines were just being introduced. Both of the prohibitionist panelists said "the research should be done first" to determine what the harms of properly-used cannabis are. Both prohibitionists admitted they would try it if it were legal. 
8 min mark http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3587 

June 19th, 1970 - CBC reports on the release of the Le Dain commission. The commission recommends "no possibility of jail" for possession of any drug, and "maximum" fines of 100 dollars. One of the commissioners, Marie-Anne Bertrand, recommends the prohibition against simple possession "be removed all-together" (no fines at all), because, among other reasons, the "uncertainty as to the relative potential for harm". Le Dain, Interm Report, 1970, p. 258 
2:30 min mark http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3588 


In 1970, the day after the Le Dain interim report was released, the Trudeau government claimed they would "ease up", promising "no jail time" for users. These promises were never kept. (June 20, 1970, Globe & Mail) 
http://archives.cbc.ca/400d.asp?id=1-69-652-3578 


August 15th, 1971 - The reporting on the Vancouver Gastown Police Riot focuses on the police violence, ignoring the reason for the protest - a protest against a crackdown on pot dealers and a protest for complete legalization. 
http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3589 

June 1st, 1972 "The cost of attempting prohibition is too great" - Chairman LeDain 



In 1972, the Trudeau government, through then Health Minister John Munro introduced amendments to the Criminal Code to allow for the imposition of an absolute or conditional discharge for cannabis possession. This did not result in any noticeable change in cannabis prosecutions. 
Appellant's record, Malmo-Levine, p. 88 


In 1975, the Trudeau government introduced Bill S-19, which would have turned a discharge for cannabis possession into a pardon - this proposal died on the order paper. 
Appellant's record, Malmo-Levine, p. 88 


Aug. 3, 1977 - Jimmy Carter promised federal "decriminalization" of cannabis to US citizens - acting on the recommendations of Nixon's Shafer Commission - but did not act on his promise. 
-Aug. 3, 1977 Globe & Mail - see also the film "Grass" by Ron Mann, 2000 

Jan. 20, 1979 - Minister of Justice Lalonde considers another bill to attempt "decriminalization" - fines with no possibility of jail. His first attempt died in 1975. 
at 00:00 mark and 9:00 mark http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3592 




In 1979, Joe Clark suggested that he might decriminalize cannabis and "consider sales". He never acted on his own suggestion. 
-CBC, "Acapulco Cold", 1993 - http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1463.html at 10:30 min. & 12:40 mark 


In 1980, the Trudeau government promised, in it's throne speech, to reduce the penalties for marijuana use. Then Justice Minister Jean Chretien made similar promises. These promises were never kept. It appears that myths surrounding it's supposedly "inherent" harms were propagated, and the "just say no" Reagans were in the White House. The first age of canadian pot activism was at an end. 
Appellant's record, Malmo-Levine, p. 89) 11:40 mark http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1463.html 


March 29 - 1993 - Kim Campbell admits to smoking cannabis in her youth. The CBC and Tommy Chong help to launch the next era of canadian pot activism: 1:00 minute in http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3596 

In 1995, amendments to the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act were "leaked" to the press. According to the November 15th front-page headlines in at least four newspapers across Canada, the Act would now "eliminate criminal records" by rendering them "untraceable" - a claim that was exposed as false the next day - on page B12 of one newspaper. (Nov. 15, 1995 Winnipeg Free Press/Vancouver Sun/Toronto Sun/Edmonton Journal p. A1, Nov. 16, 1995 Vancouver Sun p. B12) 



CBC Broadcast Nov. 27, 1996 Medical Marijuana goes public. 
After the passage of prop 215 in California, medical marijuana became mainstream. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-325.html 
The CBC began reporting on medical marijuana with the following clip: 
http://archives.cbc.ca/400d.asp?id=1-69-652-3581 





In 1996, some Senators announced their support for "legal pot". When asked, the Prime Minister said decriminalization would be "difficult to pass" but that he was not "in a position to be judgmental ... I've had a beer or two in my time". (Vancouver Sun, May 18, May 25, 1996) 

In 1997, Reform MP Keith Martin put his vision of "decriminalization" forward - "He says penalties should be increased for marijuana possession, with much higher fines used to pay for mandatory treatment programs for pot smokers." (Province, Feb. 12, 1997) 

Mar. 3, 1999 Then Health Minister Allan Rock announces "clinical trials", "appropreate guidelines" and a "safe supply". 
http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3597 at 00:30 seconds in.... 

His clinical trials later turned into trials of "marinol cigarettes" - not real cannabis! 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/series/pottvseries-101-0.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2127.html 
at 13:37 min 
his "appropreate guidelines" recommended making hot tea out of it, 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2174.html 
and his "safe supply" ended up being low-THC, seedy, stemmy, metalica, chemically-fertilized, irradiated, mineshaft weed from Flin Flon Manitoba - one of Canada's top three environmental disaster areas. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2183.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2193.html 


Aug. 1st, 2000, the Ontario Court of Appeal declared the prohibition of the possession of cannabis "unconstitutional" and gave the government a year to amend it. A year later, the laws remained on the books. (Aug. 1, 2000 Winnipeg Free Press, Toronto Sun) 
http://archives.cbc.ca/400d.asp?id=1-69-652-3583 


In 2001, Keith Martin was prevented from calling a free vote on cannabis "decriminalization" by the Liberal government. (In the High Society archive at www.pot-tv.net - http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1439.html 


May 2002 The Senate leaks elements of their report - the US responds negatively. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1322.html 



July 2002 Britian reclassifies cannabis into "class C" from "class B" - no jail, just a "warning". Cauchon first floats "decrim" with fines - activists are immediately against it. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1417.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1423.html 
http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3600 
Lots of good historical clips in this one..... 
http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3601 


Sept. 2-4, 2002: The Senate releases their report. Their report states: 

The Committee wrote that "we should ... stop our crusade" and give up all hope of a drug-free society. Policy should be based upon "freedom", "autonomy" and "responsibility" - "only behavior causing demonstrable harm to others shall be prohibited". Also of note, the Committee wrote that "used in moderation, cannabis in itself poses very little danger to users and to society as a whole" and "even if cannabis were to have serious harmful effects, one would have to question the relevance of using the criminal law to limit these effects". The Senate Committee recommended setting up licensing for producing and selling cannabis (recommendation 6) as well as amnesty for users (recommendation 7) and "impairment" testing instead of "amount-of-substance within system" testing (recommendation 9). 

- Cannabis: Our Position for a Canadian Public Policy, Sept. 2002, pp. 610-622 

To put it even more plainly; 

"Decriminalization is just another form of prohibition" 

-Sen. Claude Nolin 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1501.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1504.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1505.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1507.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1533.html 
http://archives.cbc.ca/400d.asp?id=1-69-652-3585 


Dec. 10, 2002 - leaks regarding the House of Commons committee recommendations hit the media: "fine but no criminal record". Rumors of "decriminalizing small-scale growing" abound. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1668.html 


"Mr. Cauchon has said that the current system, in which police in some provinces lay charges while others do not, might not be working as it should" 

- Ottawa Citizen, Dec. 10, 2002, p. A2 

"If you look at the system that we have in place, keeping it criminal, it's not very efficient". "Depending where you are across Canada, they apply or they don't have the legislation that we have." 

- Mr. Cauchon, National Post, Dec. 10, p. A1 

Mr. Cauchon's interest seems to concern uniform punishment, and avoids the question of whether punishment is required at all. 


Dec. 11th, Drug Czar John Walters responds to the new decrim bill. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1671.html 
The next day, "White House Advisor" Col. Robert Maginnis respons to the bill. Neither one has nice things to say about it. 


December 12, 2002, Liberal MP and House drug-bill committee member Paddy Torsney releases the new drug bill the day before the Supreme Court challenge to the drug laws. She is quoted as saying: 

"We want to send two clear messages: 
1. possession of MJ is illegal and should stay illegal. 
2. We want people w/ small quantities of MJ to get a sanction for breaking the law, but not a criminal record." 

"A ticket would be more immediate and a police officer would be MORE LIKELY TO WRITE A TICKET. Right now the laws are not evenly enforced, often police will turn a blind eye, which teaches disrespect for the law. WE WANT FINES TO BE RENDERED." 

"There is an uneven application of the law. In many places the police warn an individual and don't charge. We think, actually, with what we're proposing a person with a small amount will be more likely to SUFFER a consequence for breaking the law. So we actually think we're being a little tougher on people by suggesting that there would be a fine for that breaking of the law and police officers would be more likely to write that ticket rather than it walk away." 

Source: http://www.pot-tv.net/ram/pottvshowse1681.ram (time code - 28:20) 
http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3602 
see also http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1673.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1676.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1680.html 
John Walters again: 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1678.html 


Torsney's statement should make it clear to everyone that "decriminalization" means, for the liberals, "tougher" punishment - a position that does not address concerns over cannabis mis-use or the problems associated with the black market. 

The House of Commons report on the "non-medical" use of drugs recommends that 1) the "drug court" program should be expanded (recommendation #28), 2) forced treatment programs should be allowed (recommendation #29), 3) extra-invasive prisons should be created (recommendation #34), 4) cannabis distribution should remain a crime (recommendation #40) and 5) the possession of under 30 grams of cannabis would result in a fine of up to $1000 (recommendation #41 - p. 127). 


The minority report - written by NDP member Libby Davies has strong reservations regarding the above recommendations. Regarding cannabis, Mrs. Davies wrote: 

"The NDP sees decriminalization as only a partial solution. Decriminalization of possession and cultivation of small amounts, as recommended by the committee, would prevent such users and cultivators from receiving a criminal record. However, it still leaves intact other harms associated with our current system of criminal prohibition. Among them, simply handing a "joint" to a friend would continue to constitute the offence of trafficking under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act. The intrusive police powers given by the act would likely remain. 

Furthermore, the Committee's proposal does nothing to address the situation of those saddled with a criminal record for simple possession or for transfer or cultivation of small amounts for non-criminal purposes. If we accept that Canadians should not in future receive a criminal record for certain acts relating to marijuana, those convicted in the past should be pardoned under a general amnesty, and their records erased. 

There has already been extensive public debate on the use of marijuana, decriminalization, and legalization. The NDP appreciates the Senate Special Committee Report on Cannabis that raises rational and significant questions. The federal government should consider their analysis and recommendation for a criminal exemption scheme. The NDP urges the federal government to investigate and introduce non-criminal and non-punitive regulatory approaches for adult use, as a preferable direction of public policy, emphasizing the need for realistic education and harm prevention programs." 



"The majority of the Liberal-dominated committee, in an echo of a Senate committee report and recent comments by Justice Minister Martin Cauchon, said enforcement of current criminal laws against simple possession is expensive, uneven, "unfair and wasteful" and in the end stigmatizes young people with a criminal record for life." 

- Toronto Star, Dec. 13, 2002 

When considering whether the penalty is "disproportionate", perhaps one should also consider if there is such a thing as a "proportionate" penalty for a crime with no victim - a "proportionate" punishment for an action that, when done properly, results in no identifiable harm? 


From the above quotes, it is clear that the motivation for the government to "decriminalization" is to switch punishments from one difficult to execute into an easier one. This is not what Canadians want, nor is it the most that could be done under the international drug-control treaties Canada is a signatory to - consider the fact that Holland has signed every treaty we have. 



"Jean Chrétien retreated yesterday from the government's plans to 
decriminalize marijuana by declaring that no final decision has been made. 
The prime minister's position contradicts that of Justice Minister Martin Cauchon, who said last week that he intended to introduce decriminalization legislation in the first four months of next year. 

Mr. Chrétien, who said he has never tried marijuana, said that the debate over decriminalization is ongoing and that the government will have to make a decision "one day." Mr. Chrétien's spokesman, Jim Munson, acknowledged that Mr. Cauchon "has made his intentions known." But Mr. Munson cautioned that the justice minister's plans are not final." 

- The Ottawa Citizen, Thursday, December 19, 2002 



Jan 2, 2003: 
Marijuana declaired illegal by the courts - Lawyer Brian McCalister finally getting recognition that the pot laws do not exist because of the July 31st 2000 decision in the Parker case. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1703.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1706.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1707.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1708.html 



15th of March, 2003 
John Ashcroft's good buddy Canadian Solicitor General Wayne Eastman seems to represent a more "American" aproach to decrim, as he announces a need for increased penalties. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1831.html 

April 15th, 2003 
Austrailia begins talking "decrim"- $200 fines and "education courses" for those who have 30 grams or less. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1887.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1896.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1897.html 

May 1st, 2003 
Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien promises "decrim" by "mid-june". Again, as with the House of Commons report on cannabis, this promise was made on the eve of the Supreme Court Constitutional Challenge against ALL the pot laws, including trafficking and cultivation. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1939.html 
The following is a really good one with Matt Elrod and Phillipe Lucas: 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1953.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1958.html 



May 14th 
Clearly bending over to the Bush Adminsistration and their fanatical war on weed, the Federal Liberal Government jumps back into the lap of their American masters with the perfect make-up gift for the Canadian decision not to back America's attack on Iraq. Canadian decriminlization will be backed by increased penalties for distribution and by doubling existing penalties for growing cannabis. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1962.html 
May 15th 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1965.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1966.html 

May 16th 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1971.html 
More John Walters.... 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1967.html 

May 20th 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1978.html 

May 27th, 2003 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1986.html 

May 28th, 2003 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1989.html 

May 29th, 2003 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1991.html 

May 30th, 2003 
Activists discuss decrim. David Malmo-Levine, Marc Emery, Chris Bennett and Prof. Neil Boyd 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1995.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1996.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1997.html 

July 22, 2003 
Eric Nash, Phil Lucas and Matt Elrod 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2081.html 

July 31, 2003 
United Nations weighs in on Canadian Decrim. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2094.html 


3rd October, 2003 
Chretien's "fine in one hand, joint in another" quote. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2231.html 
6th October, 2003 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2233.html 



23rd of September 2003. Western Australia "decriminalizes" cannabis possession. The Parliament of Western Australia passed the Cannabis Control Bill of 2003. This legislation reduces penalties for smallscale cannabis cultivation and possession to a system of fines or "education" sessions for up to 30g of cannabis and two non-hydroponic plants. Cannabis paraphernalia will be regulated with health warnings and 18 purchases only. 

While the law has passed, it will be another 6 months before Police have updated their procedures and are able to issue Cannabis Infringement Notices to offenders. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2236.html 

9th October, 2003 
CBC coverage of Cauchon's attempt to push his Americanized Decrim Bill through the House of Parliament. Although possession of small amounts of marijuana will be subject to fines instead of incarceration, this bill doubles the penalty for growing and distribution. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2245.html 

The federal government is considering changing its proposed marijuana decriminalization law by cutting the amount that would result in criminal charges from 15 grams to 10 grams, according to a report in The Globe and Mail. The current bill takes a tough line against illicit growers and traffickers, especially those linked to organized crime. The maximum penalty for grow operations would be boosted to 14 years from the current seven. The penalty for large-scale trafficking is already life, although 20 years has been the stiffest sentence handed out in recent years. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2244.html 


13 Oct 2003 - So where do you stand on marijuana reform? 
Featuring John Conroy, Alan Young, and Dan "The Traitor" McTeague. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2247.html 


23 Oct 2003 
George Bush hates Jean Chretien for staying out of the war in Iraq, for letting our politicians point out that he is a Moron and a Bastard, but mostly for threatening to decriminalize the demon weed. Bush wants to place his own boy, Paul Martin, in Chretiens place and a get back to a good old boy realtionship with Canada's PM. That means putting more of us in jail! 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2267.html 

Bill C-38 Meeting #2 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2270.html 


Oct. 28th, 2003 (Bill C-38) 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2284.html 
Oct. 29th, 2003 (Bill C-38) - especially at 29:00 min. mark 40:00, 45:00, 48:00, 56:00, 109:00 onwards 


http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2283.html 


Nov. 4th, 2003 - more Bill C-38 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2283.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2284.html 
"Pot Bill to be killed" 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2285.html 
Cops and "Fathers against herbal euphorics" team up against decrim: 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2286.html 


Nov. 5th 2003 - the latest debate on the pot bill. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2288.html 



At the 20 minute mark. The way it works....Canada goes down to Washington to see if the "net-widening", well-recorded, money-generating, poor people going to jail like never-before "decrim" is ok with them.....they say "yes" but we're sending Walters around to make it sound like you're really getting something good out of it! 


Here's some images: 

Chretien with Dubya and a big doobie: 
http://static.userland.com/images/blackholebrain/dubyajoint.jpg 

Chretien looking stupid: 

http://www.globeandmail.com/series/election/photogallery/chretien-pic.jpg 
http://www.vigile.net/00-10/chretien-controverse.jpg 
http://www.vigile.net/00-6-i/chretien-3.jpg 
http://www.globeandmail.com/RTGAM_Archive/images/20021110/wkyot1110/1110chretien.jpg 

Chretien after you dosed on some heavy hallucinogens: 
http://www.mackaycartoons.net/Chretien.jpg 
http://www.opdebeeck.com/afbeeldingen/karikatuurschetsen/large/chretien.jpg 
http://www.zolltec.com/pumpkins/images/chretien.jpg 
http://www.ecn.org/agp/immagini/chretien.jpg 


Chummy pals: 
http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/09/bush.chretien/ 
http://www.pierrelemieux.org/Images/chretien-heil.jpg 
http://www.legal-rights.org/images/chretienpm.jpg 
 


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Counter-Counterspin
Re: Decrim sucks - here's why!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 808351 
13 Feb 2004 11:09:30
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This is all "shades of 1995":



"Everything old is new again. Ottawa has reopened the debate with a new law that would do away with any traceable criminal record for possession of small amounts of that drug or limited quantities of hash. And advocates of changing drug laws are optimistic or cautious. Little-noticed amendments to the bill, now before a Senate committee, would prevent police from fingerprinting people convicted of possessing small quantities of cannabis. That would stop the offence from appearing on the RCMP computers, so those with a conviction wouldn't be dogged by a traceable record."
- "Potheads high on grass law changes - Senate studies bill to lessen penalties", Nov. 15, 1995, Toronto Sun, p. A3

"Michael Jacobsen, a Canadian and U.S. Lawyer dealing with immigration matters, said clients have been barred entry to the U.S. based on a simple arrest - never mind a conviction. "The exchange of information between Canadian and U.S. authorities is like an open phone line," he said. Jacobsen said he doubts a new bill eliminating traceable criminal records will stop that flow of information. "Even though they're not going to be fingerprinted, I just think that the information lines are so open that information is shared holus-bolus. ...
David Hopkins, district council with the Immigration and Naturalization Service in Seattle, also said he doubts the new Canadian legislation will open the borders. "I really don't think it's going to affect the way we would handle someone," he said. Border guards will still be able to get information on a person's criminal past, he said. "Presumably they would get it if the people tell the truth. And if they don't tell the truth - that's a federal offence."




http://www.fathers.ca/hedy_f1.jpg

And then get this .... our friend Hedy Fry steps up and lies about the new bill:

"But Liberal MP Hedy Fry disputes the idea that customs officers will still have access to information on minor drug convictions. "They can't. How can they get that information? It is not going to be recorded, because the recording goes with fingerprinting. So there is no fingerprinting, there is no recording.""
-"Canadians busted for pot still face border block, lawyer says", Nov. 16th Vancouver Sun, p. B12

What Hedy knew or should have known was that every time you get busted - never mind convicted - your NAME goes into CPIC and NCIC (the RCMP and US law enforcement databases). How will this change under the new bill?

As well, this is only a "one shot" "one chance" deal. If you are a "repeat offender" (as Hedy Fry so elequently put it) then you get FORCED TREATMENT. I bet your name gets written down THEN.

In my mind, 1) they've lied before about "untraceable records", 2) it is an offence to lie to a customs agent and they know that, 3) this is only for one ticket, the next one gets you treatment, 4) they now can afford to go after everyone with tickets, 5) there will still be pressure to "crack down" later on with mandatory minimums and increased fines, even if they are not in the present bill. I do not believe for one second this bill is worth supporting. Those that do weren't paying attention to the last time Hedy and her "Liberals" tried this trick. 

I say: DECRIM SUCKS - ZERO PUNISHMENT NOW!

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1586.html

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2216.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2302.html 

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1514.html
 
 


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Current News and Events
Re: Happy Birthday Marc!!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 808342 
13 Feb 2004 11:03:54
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Happy B-Day, Chief! Keep up the good work! 


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Current News and Events
Remember, they lie! & What about repeat offenders?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 808339 
13 Feb 2004 11:01:05
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This is all "shades of 1995":



"Everything old is new again. Ottawa has reopened the debate with a new law that would do away with any traceable criminal record for possession of small amounts of that drug or limited quantities of hash. And advocates of changing drug laws are optimistic or cautious. Little-noticed amendments to the bill, now before a Senate committee, would prevent police from fingerprinting people convicted of possessing small quantities of cannabis. That would stop the offence from appearing on the RCMP computers, so those with a conviction wouldn't be dogged by a traceable record."
- "Potheads high on grass law changes - Senate studies bill to lessen penalties", Nov. 15, 1995, Toronto Sun, p. A3

"Michael Jacobsen, a Canadian and U.S. Lawyer dealing with immigration matters, said clients have been barred entry to the U.S. based on a simple arrest - never mind a conviction. "The exchange of information between Canadian and U.S. authorities is like an open phone line," he said. Jacobsen said he doubts a new bill eliminating traceable criminal records will stop that flow of information. "Even though they're not going to be fingerprinted, I just think that the information lines are so open that information is shared holus-bolus. ...
David Hopkins, district council with the Immigration and Naturalization Service in Seattle, also said he doubts the new Canadian legislation will open the borders. "I really don't think it's going to affect the way we would handle someone," he said. Border guards will still be able to get information on a person's criminal past, he said. "Presumably they would get it if the people tell the truth. And if they don't tell the truth - that's a federal offence."

And then get this .... our friend Hedy Fry steps up and lies about the new bill:

"But Liberal MP Hedy Fry disputes the idea that customs officers will still have access to information on minor drug convictions. "They can't. How can they get that information? It is not going to be recorded, because the recording goes with fingerprinting. So there is no fingerprinting, there is no recording.""
-"Canadians busted for pot still face border block, lawyer says", Nov. 16th Vancouver Sun, p. B12

What Hedy knew or should have known was that every time you get busted - never mind convicted - your NAME goes into CPIC and NCIC (the RCMP and US law enforcement databases). How will this change under the new bill?

As well, this is only a "one shot" "one chance" deal. If you are a "repeat offender" (as Hedy Fry so elequently put it) then you get FORCED TREATMENT. I bet your name gets written down THEN.

In my mind, 1) they've lied before about "untraceable records", 2) it is an offence to lie to a customs agent and they know that, 3) this is only for one ticket, the next one gets you treatment, 4) they now can afford to go after everyone with tickets, 5) there will still be pressure to "crack down" later on with mandatory minimums and increased fines, even if they are not in the present bill. I do not believe for one second this bill is worth supporting. Those that do weren't paying attention to the last time Hedy and her "Liberals" tried this trick. 

I say: DECRIM SUCKS - ZERO PUNISHMENT NOW!

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1586.html

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2216.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2302.html 

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1514.html
 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: The "anti-jew" crowd wouldn't know proof if it
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 807763 
12 Feb 2004 21:08:26
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Ahhh YES! Now it all becomes SOOO CLEAR!

The jews started the Holocaust off with an anti-German boycott, which they knew would cause the Germans to defend themselves by killing every jew in Europe, thereby creating Israel! What a perfect plan!

There's just one problem with your theory. No proof! It's the same problem with all your theories! Pure speculation. Plus there was no guarantee the Nazi's would lose WW2 - then where would the Jewish homeland be?



On the subject of Israel, you have a point. The government of Israel is the agressor. But you act like all jews support Israel. Many don't:


http://www.montrealmuslimnews.net/montrealrally.htm

http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/123485_comment.php

Rabbi Mordechi Weberman On Zionist Terror History
 by Rabbi Mordechi Weberma ? Friday July 18, 2003 at 09:46 AM
 

We have no doubt that would Jewish refugees, have come to Palestine not with the intention of dominating, not with the intention of making a Jewish state, not with the intention of dispossessing, not with the intention of depriving the Palestinians of their basic rights, that they would have been welcomed by the Palestinians, with the same hospitality that Islamic peoples have shown Jews throughout history.


It is precisely because we are Jews that we demand that the Palestinian peoples be returned to their homes and properties! 


Jul 12, 2003 
 By Rabbi Mordechi Weberman 


There are those who ask us why we march with the Palestinians. Why do we raise the Palestinian flag? Why do we support the Palestinian cause? ?You are Jews!? they tell us. ?What are you doing?? And our response is very simple: It is precisely because we are Jews! 


There are those who ask us why we march with the Palestinians. Why do we raise the Palestinian flag? Why do we support the Palestinian cause? ?You are Jews!? they tell us. ?What are you doing?? 


And our response is very simple: It is precisely because we are Jews that we march with that we march with the Palestinians and raise their flag! It is precisely because we are Jews that we are Jews that we demand that the Palestinian peoples be returned to their homes and properties! 


Yes, in our Torah we are commanded to be fair. We are called upon to pursue justice. And, what could be more unjust then the century old attempt of the Zionist movement to invade an other people?s land, to drive them out and steal their property? 


The early Zionists proclaimed that they were a people without a land going to a land without a people. Innocent sounding words. But utterly and totally untrue. Palestine was a land with a people. A people that were developing a national consciousness. 


We have no doubt that would Jewish refugees, have come to Palestine not with the intention of dominating, not with the intention of making a Jewish state, not with the intention of dispossessing, not with the intention of depriving the Palestinians of their basic rights, that they would have been welcomed by the Palestinians, with the same hospitality that Islamic peoples have shown Jews throughout history. And we would have lived together as Jews and Muslims lived before in Palestine in peace and harmony. 


To our Islamic and Palestinian friends around the world, please hear our message: 


There are Jews around the world who support your cause. And when we support your cause we do not mean some partition scheme proposed in 1947 by a UN that had no right to offer it. When we say support your cause we do not mean the cut off and cut up pieces of the West Bank offered by Barak at Camp David together with justice for less than 10 % of the refugees. We do not mean anything other than returning the entire land, including to Jerusalem to Palestinian sovereignty! At that point justice demands that the Palestinian people should decide if and how many Jews should remain in the Land. This is the only path to true reconciliation. 


But we demand yet more. WE demand that in returning the land back to its rightful owners we have not yet done enough. There should be an apology to the Palestinian people which is clear and precise. Zionism did you wrong. Zionism stole your homes. Zionism stole your land. By so proclaiming we proclaim before the world that we are the people of the Torah, that our faith demands that we be honest and fair and good and kind. 


We have attended hundreds of pro-Palestinian rallies over the years and everywhere we go the leaders and audience greet us with the warmth of Middle Eastern hospitality. What a lie it is to say that Palestinians in particular or Muslims in general hate Jews. You hate injustice. Not Jews. 
 Fear not my friends. Evil cannot long triumph. The Zionist nightmare is at its end. It is exhausted. Its latest brutalities are the death rattle of the terminally ill. We will yet both live to see the day when Jew and Palestinian will embrace in peace under the Palestinian flag in Jerusalem. And ultimately when mankind?s Redeemer will come the sufferings of the present will long be forgotten in the blessings of the future. 



  


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Terrorism and Drug War
The "anti-jew" crowd wouldn't know proof if it bit
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 807679 
12 Feb 2004 19:39:09
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...them on the ass.

"right after the zionists declaired war".

Haven't found the KKK cut & paste where you got that from, so I found one for you:


http://web.grinnell.edu/courses/his/f02/his238-01/Images/ASPECTSOFGERMANHISTORY/images/1942.jpg

http://www.chgs.umn.edu/Histories__Narratives__Documen/Philatelic__Nazi_Philatelic_1_/Numismatics_I/numismatics_i.html

http://www.duke.org/awakening/chapter15_10.html




http://www.officialnewworldorder.com/html/jewish_bankers.html





The Jewish Bankers were among the first of the vast conspiracy groups to emerge. In fact, the history of the Jewish Banker conspiracy predates the creation of the universe. Yes, even before there was a planet, the Jewish Bankers were plotting to take it over. Surprisingly, the Jewish Bankers have managed-throughout the centuries-to remain a leader in the evil conspiracy industry. We are proud to have them as part of the New World Order.

 

COMMON KNOWLEDGE:
You can't find a conspiracy theory that doesn't involve the Jewish Bankers. This is because the Jewish Bankers were the very first conspirators. As any good Aryan or conspiracy theorist can tell you, they are the literal spawn of Satan . In fact, it turns out that Jews aren't really Jews at all; only white people from Britain are really Jews. They've just forgotten that they're Jews. (Probably through some sort of mind control.) See, it all starts when God was experimenting with creation. It seems that Satan was doing some temp work for God, and God told him to invent people. Satan botched up the job, of course, and created the "mud people" (Africans, Asians, Slavs, etc.). God was not happy with this substandard work, and decided that if he wanted something done right, he had to do it himself. That's when he created white people. Satan got fired, and was naturally very upset about this, so he got Adam and Eve booted from Eden. Before their forced relocation, however, Satan (still rather bitter about being fired from his temp gig) managed to convince Eve to go for a roll in the hay. As a a result, Eve got pregnant and had a son: Cain. Cain (being evil by his nature since he was the literal spawn of Satan) killed his brother, Abel. This royally pissed God off, so he sent Cain to Asia as punishment. Fortunately for Cain, chicks tend to dig that "bad boy" image he had cultivated. Unfortunately, birth control methods in the early years of Creation weren't that advanced yet. As a result, Cain ended up fathering several children with the "mud people" and their descendants-the literal offspring of Satan-are the modern Jews. The real Jews-ten tribes worth-all got lost and at least two of them ended up in Great Britain. Meanwhile, back in Asia Minor, Cain's kids conspired to unite the world into a single government, mostly for the purpose of keeping secret books, killing Gentiles and having sex with young Gentile girls. Somehow they managed to make the other tribes forget that they were the real Jews. Once this was accomplished, Cain's kids took over and began calling themselves "The Jews" (except for those who later moved to south Chicago; that sect was known as "Da Jews"). 



The Bagel: a harmless breakfast food or an unspeakable tool of destruction? 


 

 



A whole bunch of other stuff happened, the Jews killed Christ, and then in the late 1700s a Jew named Adam Weishaupt (cleverly disguised as a Catholic priest) renounced Catholicism and created a Satanic cult. This organization, called The Illuminati, quickly gained the support of the Jews (being the spawn of Satan and all, they were more than happy to make a planet full of his worshippers). One particular Jewish family, the Rothschilds, took a particular interest, and took control of the Illuminati. The Illuminati, in turn, took over the Freemasons.

 

The Rothschilds had a big family and a lot of money. In fact, they had enough money to finance the French Revolution and every war since. The Rothschilds had their family disperse throughout Europe and America with the intent of cooperating with other Jews to take over all financial institutions. As revealed by Pat Robertson in his book The New World Order, the Federal Reserve, Wall Street, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Tri-Lateral Commission and all international banks are now controlled by Jews. The Jews also control all media. 


Using the power of the Illuminati and the money of the Rothschilds, the Jewish Bankers have created communism, set up a puppet U.S. government-known as the Zionist Occupational Government (ZOG)-and created liberalism and the Democratic Party.

 

THE LESSER KNOWN HISTORY:
There's not much more to tell that the conspiracy theorists haven't already figured out about the Jewish Bankers. It is important to note that it was the Jewish Bankers and the Illuminati who pushed for the merger with the Space Aliens. Since the Space Aliens are demons (led by Satan, of course), the Jewish Bankers were eager to come to the aid of their great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather. As chief financiers of the New World Order, and a bridge between the various factions that make up our glorious organization, the Jewish Bankers provide an invaluable service, and we are proud to have them as part of the conspiracy. 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: You have no documents, only opinions.
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 807666 
12 Feb 2004 19:21:56
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 didn't they do that AFTER the Nazi's invaded Poland? 

 
"the germans had faster trucks...the germans and the ussr signed a pact to take over poland"


But the jews masterminded it all - the destruction of their own race to guilt the world into giving them Isreal - even though the leaders of the two anti-jewish countries were not jewish. Sounds a bit fanciful. This is just your opinion, right? Yours and Irving's and Zundel's?
 
 
 
Quote:

Stalin - he was a jew? I thought he was Russian. 

 "nope he was a georgian...not sure of his religion..maybe he was a hidden jew..like ike ... or Eichmann"

Ah yes. Any time you need a jew scapegoat handy, you just lable that person a "hidden jew". All the world's problems are caused by "hidden jews".

You're not procreating, are you Abby? I would hate to think there would be people like you around in a hundred years, thinking that there were "hidden jews" lurking around waiting to set up more World Wars to weasle more real estate.

  


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: You have no documents, only opinions.
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 807598 
12 Feb 2004 18:32:06
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"yes and thats the problem with your statement..the Bolshevik zionist jews [ussr] invaded and took the other half of poland...but you don't mention that [eh david] you just blame everything on the aryans not the slovic people..."

Um....didn't they do that AFTER the Nazi's invaded Poland? How did the jews control Hitler? Stalin - he was a jew? I thought he was Russian. If you say "the jewish banks" - provide sources.




"....most all countrys have a congress where they salute there nazi flags..same with the american congress and its controler the world jewish congress..."

Again, sources. I'm going to ask you to source every contentious issue, so you might as well just provide them whenever you type any historical fact - and I will too (if it's "under dispute").








"i don't care for any nazis...im not predudiced like you david...american nazis german nazis there alll the same to me.."

If you don't care for them, why do you sound just like them?

"Isn't the jew a human being too?" Of course he is; none of us ever doubted it. All we doubt is that he is a decent human being." - Joseph Goebbels, July 30. 1928


Reichminister Joseph Goebbels delivers a speech to a crowd in Berlin urging Germans to boycott Jewish-owned businesses. He defends the boycott as a legitimate response to the anti-German "atrocity propaganda" being spread abroad by "international Jewry." April 1, 1933. 
http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/gallery2/44203.htm


"The jews are to blame for this war. The treatment we give them does them no wrong. They have more than deserved it." - Joseph Goebbels, Nov. 16, 1941


  


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Current News and Events
Re: Bill c-38.  Rumour. /Swerve
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 807315 
12 Feb 2004 11:32:14
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"David; I know you fear that the bill will require forced treatment and people not paying fines will go to jail, please don't state it as fact because it isn't. Right now there are NO forced treatment provisions in the bill."

You focus on the "right now" part while ignoring the "stated goals" and "stated plans" that come flooding out of the media? Unwise.





 "And, if you read the contraventions act portion of the legislative history, you will see a description of what happens if you don't pay a fine; going to jail is not mentioned as an option."

Is it explicitly prohibted as a "non-option"? No jail may be a "right now", but you can bet it's also a "plan for the future". I like what we have now - an economic bottleneck that allows us BYOB cafes and prevents mass arrests. I don't want to support anything that may threaten that "dignity minimum" that Vancouver and Montreal and now other places have turned into a major beachhead for the global movement. If "decrim" would help us in any way, the Liberals would be opposed. Look at the history of decrim if you don't believe me:


http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2302.html

Canada, politicians, and promises of "decrim" 
- 34 years of paternalism and bullshit 

What does "decrim" mean? One thing it does NOT mean is "no punishment whatsoever" - that's always been called "legalization". If anything, "decriminalization" simply means "no criminal record". 
In Singapore, cannabis decriminalization means years of abstinence-based treatment in the form of large fines, group therapy, urinalysis and community service. 
-Dec. 15/89/NYT , see also http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1586.html 

In some places in the USA, the cannabis decriminalization resembles that of Singapore. 

-The Province (British Columbia), Nov. 1, 1998 

In Toronto, first-time marijuana offenders are forced to do "community work". 

-March 6, 1998 London Free Press 

In South Australia, 20% more pot-possession cases came before the courts than before the fine system was put into place. In Canada, non-payment of a fine usually gets you jail time at a rate of $70 per day. So your third pot possession ticket would get you two weeks in jail if you couldn't cough up $1000. 

-"Decriminalization is Dangerous" Cannabis Culture magazine, issue #35, http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2216.html 

But whenever the politicians talk about "decrim", they usually talk about it as if they were "easing up" on cannabis users and dealing with the "disproportionality" of the law. If they're easing up on users, then why do the fines, forced treatment and forced labour seem just as bad - if not worse - than the "criminal record"? And does decrim guarantee absolutely no record or no jail time? And if it means SOME kind of record and the possibility of jail time for unpaid fines, can we really call it "decrim"? 

Let us take a trip into the history of Canadian cannabis politics.... A history of the big fat lie that is "decrim" .... 


Apr. 18, 1967 CBC - "Gandalf's" - Canada's first headshop, began the first era of Canadian pot activism. Laurence Cherniak - later to become famous for his books of photos of cannabis and hashish - gave an interview and implied (quite correctly) that cannabis was less harmful than tobacco. 
http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3586 
http://www.marijuana.ac/cat/lit/gbc/index.html 
http://www.tokacola.com/cat/lit/gbhash.jpg 


June 19th, 1969 - CBC - "Decriminalization" is the topic of a panel discussion on CBC television. The possibility of fines were just being introduced. Both of the prohibitionist panelists said "the research should be done first" to determine what the harms of properly-used cannabis are. Both prohibitionists admitted they would try it if it were legal. 
8 min mark http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3587 

June 19th, 1970 - CBC reports on the release of the Le Dain commission. The commission recommends "no possibility of jail" for possession of any drug, and "maximum" fines of 100 dollars. One of the commissioners, Marie-Anne Bertrand, recommends the prohibition against simple possession "be removed all-together" (no fines at all), because, among other reasons, the "uncertainty as to the relative potential for harm". Le Dain, Interm Report, 1970, p. 258 
2:30 min mark http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3588 


In 1970, the day after the Le Dain interim report was released, the Trudeau government claimed they would "ease up", promising "no jail time" for users. These promises were never kept. (June 20, 1970, Globe & Mail) 
http://archives.cbc.ca/400d.asp?id=1-69-652-3578 


August 15th, 1971 - The reporting on the Vancouver Gastown Police Riot focuses on the police violence, ignoring the reason for the protest - a protest against a crackdown on pot dealers and a protest for complete legalization. 
http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3589 

June 1st, 1972 "The cost of attempting prohibition is too great" - Chairman LeDain 



In 1972, the Trudeau government, through then Health Minister John Munro introduced amendments to the Criminal Code to allow for the imposition of an absolute or conditional discharge for cannabis possession. This did not result in any noticeable change in cannabis prosecutions. 
Appellant's record, Malmo-Levine, p. 88 


In 1975, the Trudeau government introduced Bill S-19, which would have turned a discharge for cannabis possession into a pardon - this proposal died on the order paper. 
Appellant's record, Malmo-Levine, p. 88 


Aug. 3, 1977 - Jimmy Carter promised federal "decriminalization" of cannabis to US citizens - acting on the recommendations of Nixon's Shafer Commission - but did not act on his promise. 
-Aug. 3, 1977 Globe & Mail - see also the film "Grass" by Ron Mann, 2000 

Jan. 20, 1979 - Minister of Justice Lalonde considers another bill to attempt "decriminalization" - fines with no possibility of jail. His first attempt died in 1975. 
at 00:00 mark and 9:00 mark http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3592 




In 1979, Joe Clark suggested that he might decriminalize cannabis and "consider sales". He never acted on his own suggestion. 
-CBC, "Acapulco Cold", 1993 - http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1463.html at 10:30 min. & 12:40 mark 


In 1980, the Trudeau government promised, in it's throne speech, to reduce the penalties for marijuana use. Then Justice Minister Jean Chretien made similar promises. These promises were never kept. It appears that myths surrounding it's supposedly "inherent" harms were propagated, and the "just say no" Reagans were in the White House. The first age of canadian pot activism was at an end. 
Appellant's record, Malmo-Levine, p. 89) 11:40 mark http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1463.html 


March 29 - 1993 - Kim Campbell admits to smoking cannabis in her youth. The CBC and Tommy Chong help to launch the next era of canadian pot activism: 1:00 minute in http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3596 

In 1995, amendments to the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act were "leaked" to the press. According to the November 15th front-page headlines in at least four newspapers across Canada, the Act would now "eliminate criminal records" by rendering them "untraceable" - a claim that was exposed as false the next day - on page B12 of one newspaper. (Nov. 15, 1995 Winnipeg Free Press/Vancouver Sun/Toronto Sun/Edmonton Journal p. A1, Nov. 16, 1995 Vancouver Sun p. B12) 



CBC Broadcast Nov. 27, 1996 Medical Marijuana goes public. 
After the passage of prop 215 in California, medical marijuana became mainstream. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-325.html 
The CBC began reporting on medical marijuana with the following clip: 
http://archives.cbc.ca/400d.asp?id=1-69-652-3581 





In 1996, some Senators announced their support for "legal pot". When asked, the Prime Minister said decriminalization would be "difficult to pass" but that he was not "in a position to be judgmental ... I've had a beer or two in my time". (Vancouver Sun, May 18, May 25, 1996) 

In 1997, Reform MP Keith Martin put his vision of "decriminalization" forward - "He says penalties should be increased for marijuana possession, with much higher fines used to pay for mandatory treatment programs for pot smokers." (Province, Feb. 12, 1997) 

Mar. 3, 1999 Then Health Minister Allan Rock announces "clinical trials", "appropreate guidelines" and a "safe supply". 
http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3597 at 00:30 seconds in.... 

His clinical trials later turned into trials of "marinol cigarettes" - not real cannabis! 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/series/pottvseries-101-0.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2127.html 
at 13:37 min 
his "appropreate guidelines" recommended making hot tea out of it, 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2174.html 
and his "safe supply" ended up being low-THC, seedy, stemmy, metalica, chemically-fertilized, irradiated, mineshaft weed from Flin Flon Manitoba - one of Canada's top three environmental disaster areas. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2183.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2193.html 


Aug. 1st, 2000, the Ontario Court of Appeal declared the prohibition of the possession of cannabis "unconstitutional" and gave the government a year to amend it. A year later, the laws remained on the books. (Aug. 1, 2000 Winnipeg Free Press, Toronto Sun) 
http://archives.cbc.ca/400d.asp?id=1-69-652-3583 


In 2001, Keith Martin was prevented from calling a free vote on cannabis "decriminalization" by the Liberal government. (In the High Society archive at www.pot-tv.net - http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1439.html 


May 2002 The Senate leaks elements of their report - the US responds negatively. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1322.html 



July 2002 Britian reclassifies cannabis into "class C" from "class B" - no jail, just a "warning". Cauchon first floats "decrim" with fines - activists are immediately against it. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1417.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1423.html 
http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3600 
Lots of good historical clips in this one..... 
http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3601 


Sept. 2-4, 2002: The Senate releases their report. Their report states: 

The Committee wrote that "we should ... stop our crusade" and give up all hope of a drug-free society. Policy should be based upon "freedom", "autonomy" and "responsibility" - "only behavior causing demonstrable harm to others shall be prohibited". Also of note, the Committee wrote that "used in moderation, cannabis in itself poses very little danger to users and to society as a whole" and "even if cannabis were to have serious harmful effects, one would have to question the relevance of using the criminal law to limit these effects". The Senate Committee recommended setting up licensing for producing and selling cannabis (recommendation 6) as well as amnesty for users (recommendation 7) and "impairment" testing instead of "amount-of-substance within system" testing (recommendation 9). 

- Cannabis: Our Position for a Canadian Public Policy, Sept. 2002, pp. 610-622 

To put it even more plainly; 

"Decriminalization is just another form of prohibition" 

-Sen. Claude Nolin 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1501.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1504.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1505.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1507.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1533.html 
http://archives.cbc.ca/400d.asp?id=1-69-652-3585 


Dec. 10, 2002 - leaks regarding the House of Commons committee recommendations hit the media: "fine but no criminal record". Rumors of "decriminalizing small-scale growing" abound. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1668.html 


"Mr. Cauchon has said that the current system, in which police in some provinces lay charges while others do not, might not be working as it should" 

- Ottawa Citizen, Dec. 10, 2002, p. A2 

"If you look at the system that we have in place, keeping it criminal, it's not very efficient". "Depending where you are across Canada, they apply or they don't have the legislation that we have." 

- Mr. Cauchon, National Post, Dec. 10, p. A1 

Mr. Cauchon's interest seems to concern uniform punishment, and avoids the question of whether punishment is required at all. 


Dec. 11th, Drug Czar John Walters responds to the new decrim bill. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1671.html 
The next day, "White House Advisor" Col. Robert Maginnis respons to the bill. Neither one has nice things to say about it. 


December 12, 2002, Liberal MP and House drug-bill committee member Paddy Torsney releases the new drug bill the day before the Supreme Court challenge to the drug laws. She is quoted as saying: 

"We want to send two clear messages: 
1. possession of MJ is illegal and should stay illegal. 
2. We want people w/ small quantities of MJ to get a sanction for breaking the law, but not a criminal record." 

"A ticket would be more immediate and a police officer would be MORE LIKELY TO WRITE A TICKET. Right now the laws are not evenly enforced, often police will turn a blind eye, which teaches disrespect for the law. WE WANT FINES TO BE RENDERED." 

"There is an uneven application of the law. In many places the police warn an individual and don't charge. We think, actually, with what we're proposing a person with a small amount will be more likely to SUFFER a consequence for breaking the law. So we actually think we're being a little tougher on people by suggesting that there would be a fine for that breaking of the law and police officers would be more likely to write that ticket rather than it walk away." 

Source: http://www.pot-tv.net/ram/pottvshowse1681.ram (time code - 28:20) 
http://archives.cbc.ca/500f.asp?id=1-69-652-3602 
see also http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1673.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1676.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1680.html 
John Walters again: 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1678.html 


Torsney's statement should make it clear to everyone that "decriminalization" means, for the liberals, "tougher" punishment - a position that does not address concerns over cannabis mis-use or the problems associated with the black market. 

The House of Commons report on the "non-medical" use of drugs recommends that 1) the "drug court" program should be expanded (recommendation #28), 2) forced treatment programs should be allowed (recommendation #29), 3) extra-invasive prisons should be created (recommendation #34), 4) cannabis distribution should remain a crime (recommendation #40) and 5) the possession of under 30 grams of cannabis would result in a fine of up to $1000 (recommendation #41 - p. 127). 


The minority report - written by NDP member Libby Davies has strong reservations regarding the above recommendations. Regarding cannabis, Mrs. Davies wrote: 

"The NDP sees decriminalization as only a partial solution. Decriminalization of possession and cultivation of small amounts, as recommended by the committee, would prevent such users and cultivators from receiving a criminal record. However, it still leaves intact other harms associated with our current system of criminal prohibition. Among them, simply handing a "joint" to a friend would continue to constitute the offence of trafficking under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act. The intrusive police powers given by the act would likely remain. 

Furthermore, the Committee's proposal does nothing to address the situation of those saddled with a criminal record for simple possession or for transfer or cultivation of small amounts for non-criminal purposes. If we accept that Canadians should not in future receive a criminal record for certain acts relating to marijuana, those convicted in the past should be pardoned under a general amnesty, and their records erased. 

There has already been extensive public debate on the use of marijuana, decriminalization, and legalization. The NDP appreciates the Senate Special Committee Report on Cannabis that raises rational and significant questions. The federal government should consider their analysis and recommendation for a criminal exemption scheme. The NDP urges the federal government to investigate and introduce non-criminal and non-punitive regulatory approaches for adult use, as a preferable direction of public policy, emphasizing the need for realistic education and harm prevention programs." 



"The majority of the Liberal-dominated committee, in an echo of a Senate committee report and recent comments by Justice Minister Martin Cauchon, said enforcement of current criminal laws against simple possession is expensive, uneven, "unfair and wasteful" and in the end stigmatizes young people with a criminal record for life." 

- Toronto Star, Dec. 13, 2002 

When considering whether the penalty is "disproportionate", perhaps one should also consider if there is such a thing as a "proportionate" penalty for a crime with no victim - a "proportionate" punishment for an action that, when done properly, results in no identifiable harm? 


From the above quotes, it is clear that the motivation for the government to "decriminalization" is to switch punishments from one difficult to execute into an easier one. This is not what Canadians want, nor is it the most that could be done under the international drug-control treaties Canada is a signatory to - consider the fact that Holland has signed every treaty we have. 



"Jean Chrétien retreated yesterday from the government's plans to 
decriminalize marijuana by declaring that no final decision has been made. 
The prime minister's position contradicts that of Justice Minister Martin Cauchon, who said last week that he intended to introduce decriminalization legislation in the first four months of next year. 

Mr. Chrétien, who said he has never tried marijuana, said that the debate over decriminalization is ongoing and that the government will have to make a decision "one day." Mr. Chrétien's spokesman, Jim Munson, acknowledged that Mr. Cauchon "has made his intentions known." But Mr. Munson cautioned that the justice minister's plans are not final." 

- The Ottawa Citizen, Thursday, December 19, 2002 



Jan 2, 2003: 
Marijuana declaired illegal by the courts - Lawyer Brian McCalister finally getting recognition that the pot laws do not exist because of the July 31st 2000 decision in the Parker case. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1703.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1706.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1707.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1708.html 



15th of March, 2003 
John Ashcroft's good buddy Canadian Solicitor General Wayne Eastman seems to represent a more "American" aproach to decrim, as he announces a need for increased penalties. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1831.html 

April 15th, 2003 
Austrailia begins talking "decrim"- $200 fines and "education courses" for those who have 30 grams or less. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1887.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1896.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1897.html 

May 1st, 2003 
Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien promises "decrim" by "mid-june". Again, as with the House of Commons report on cannabis, this promise was made on the eve of the Supreme Court Constitutional Challenge against ALL the pot laws, including trafficking and cultivation. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1939.html 
The following is a really good one with Matt Elrod and Phillipe Lucas: 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1953.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1958.html 



May 14th 
Clearly bending over to the Bush Adminsistration and their fanatical war on weed, the Federal Liberal Government jumps back into the lap of their American masters with the perfect make-up gift for the Canadian decision not to back America's attack on Iraq. Canadian decriminlization will be backed by increased penalties for distribution and by doubling existing penalties for growing cannabis. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1962.html 
May 15th 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1965.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1966.html 

May 16th 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1971.html 
More John Walters.... 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1967.html 

May 20th 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1978.html 

May 27th, 2003 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1986.html 

May 28th, 2003 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1989.html 

May 29th, 2003 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1991.html 

May 30th, 2003 
Activists discuss decrim. David Malmo-Levine, Marc Emery, Chris Bennett and Prof. Neil Boyd 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1995.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1996.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1997.html 

July 22, 2003 
Eric Nash, Phil Lucas and Matt Elrod 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2081.html 

July 31, 2003 
United Nations weighs in on Canadian Decrim. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2094.html 


3rd October, 2003 
Chretien's "fine in one hand, joint in another" quote. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2231.html 
6th October, 2003 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2233.html 



23rd of September 2003. Western Australia "decriminalizes" cannabis possession. The Parliament of Western Australia passed the Cannabis Control Bill of 2003. This legislation reduces penalties for smallscale cannabis cultivation and possession to a system of fines or "education" sessions for up to 30g of cannabis and two non-hydroponic plants. Cannabis paraphernalia will be regulated with health warnings and 18 purchases only. 

While the law has passed, it will be another 6 months before Police have updated their procedures and are able to issue Cannabis Infringement Notices to offenders. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2236.html 

9th October, 2003 
CBC coverage of Cauchon's attempt to push his Americanized Decrim Bill through the House of Parliament. Although possession of small amounts of marijuana will be subject to fines instead of incarceration, this bill doubles the penalty for growing and distribution. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2245.html 

The federal government is considering changing its proposed marijuana decriminalization law by cutting the amount that would result in criminal charges from 15 grams to 10 grams, according to a report in The Globe and Mail. The current bill takes a tough line against illicit growers and traffickers, especially those linked to organized crime. The maximum penalty for grow operations would be boosted to 14 years from the current seven. The penalty for large-scale trafficking is already life, although 20 years has been the stiffest sentence handed out in recent years. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2244.html 


13 Oct 2003 - So where do you stand on marijuana reform? 
Featuring John Conroy, Alan Young, and Dan "The Traitor" McTeague. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2247.html 


23 Oct 2003 
George Bush hates Jean Chretien for staying out of the war in Iraq, for letting our politicians point out that he is a Moron and a Bastard, but mostly for threatening to decriminalize the demon weed. Bush wants to place his own boy, Paul Martin, in Chretiens place and a get back to a good old boy realtionship with Canada's PM. That means putting more of us in jail! 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2267.html 

Bill C-38 Meeting #2 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2270.html 


Oct. 28th, 2003 (Bill C-38) 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2284.html 
Oct. 29th, 2003 (Bill C-38) - especially at 29:00 min. mark 40:00, 45:00, 48:00, 56:00, 109:00 onwards 


http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2283.html 


Nov. 4th, 2003 - more Bill C-38 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2283.html 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2284.html 
"Pot Bill to be killed" 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2285.html 
Cops and "Fathers against herbal euphorics" team up against decrim: 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2286.html 


Nov. 5th 2003 - the latest debate on the pot bill. 
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2288.html 



At the 20 minute mark. The way it works....Canada goes down to Washington to see if the "net-widening", well-recorded, money-generating, poor people going to jail like never-before "decrim" is ok with them.....they say "yes" but we're sending Walters around to make it sound like you're really getting something good out of it! 


 


"Yes, that type of stuff MAY get added (depending on how the debate goes) but right now it isn't there. We should all be writing to our MPs to say that it shouldn't ever be put in, either (among other things). Write the letter; they do have an effect. "

We, as a minimum, should be using this as another opportunity for calling for "no punishment whatsoever" - forget telling them to "please not add mandatory minimums" - that sissy-talk will just confuse the issue. It should be more like "Why harm the harmless AT ALL?"


 


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http://www.sustainability.dpc.wa.gov.au/CaseStudies/biodiesel/biodiesel.htm

Biodiesel: A Fuel for the Future
 
 Prepared by Robert Passey, Masters student at Murdoch University
 


This Case Study is to inform the State Sustainability Strategy and does not represent the views of the Western Australian Government


Biodiesel is now recognised as one alternative to petroleum-based diesel. It is renewable and has significantly lower greenhouse emissions - effectively zero if renewable energy is used in its production. It has a number of additional advantages including creation of rural employment and development, improved air quality, and decreased reliance on external sources of oil. 


The Story of Biodiesel


Introduction
 Global oil supplies are reaching the point where demand may outstrip supply. When this occurs, it is expected that oil prices will increase significantly. In addition, combustion of geological oil and derivatives such as petrol releases greenhouse gases that cause global warming. Biodiesel is seen as one alternative that can help to reduce the sustainability impacts of these events. However, the production and use of biodiesel are not without additional impacts - both positive and negative. The following outlines the production and use of biodiesel, together with the various impacts that these can have on ecological, social, and economic sustainability. 


Background
 The economies of all industrialised societies are based on consumption of geological oil. These oil supplies are finite and concentrated in areas of political instability. Scarcity will increase prices and have a significant impact on world economies. Combustion of oil and oil-based products such as petrol produces greenhouse gases that are responsible for global warming. Global warming will also have significant impacts on global economies, societies and the environment. For these reasons, alternatives to geological oil and derived products are sought. 


An Historical Perspective
 In 1895, the first diesel engine was developed by Dr. Rudolf Diesel. This was first demonstrated at the World Exhibition in Paris in 1900. However it wasn't powered by what we now know as diesel, instead it used peanut oil as fuel.1 Thus the first diesel engines were designed to be fueled by vegetable based fuels. However in the early 1900's, new drilling techniques and availability of geological oil lead to petroleum-based fuels (diesel and petrol) becoming cheap and the fuels of choice.


Recently however, there has been increased interest in non-petroleum fuels. This has been for a number of reasons, the most significant of which are global warming and concern over access to oil supplies.


Combustion of petroleum-based diesel and petrol results in emission of carbon dioxide, the most significant greenhouse gas in terms of total contribution to global warming.2 Transport contributed 16.1% of Australia's greenhouse gas emissions in 1999, with road transport making up 83.2% of these.3 Global oil supplies are predicted by various commentators to peak between 2003 and 2020. After this peak, as supply outstrips demand, prices will increase significantly.4 In Australia, oil production is expected to rapidly decline over the next 10 years to approximately half that of current levels. This is expected to result in petroleum-based international trade changing from a surplus of $1.2 billion in 2000/01 to a projected deficit of $7.6 billion by 2009/10, reducing Australia's international competitiveness and Gross Domestic Product (GDP).5 


A number of alternative fuels are available (biodiesel, hydrogen, natural gas, ethanol, and methanol), all of which have lower greenhouse gas emissions and reduce oil dependency. It is most likely that all will contribute in some way to the fuel-mix of the future. Here we will look only at biodiesel.


Worldwide Biodiesel Developments
 Biodiesel is currently commercially produced in Germany, Italy, Austria, the Czech Republic, Malaysia and the United States, and is most advanced in the United States and Europe, which currently produce 2 billion and 1 billion litres of biodiesel per year respectively.6 


In the US, a bill was passed ensuring that all heavy transporting companies source 2% of their fuel from biodiesel. A number of bus and truck companies are trialling a B20 (20% blend of biodiesel and diesel), and the US Army now require new tanks and trucks to be compatible with biodiesel. In 2001 a US Department of Agriculture study concluded that an increase of 195-260 million gallons of biodiesel by 2010 was feasible. The predominately soy-based biodiesel (due to a surplus of soy-oil) would also boost the total crop cash earnings by US$5.2 billion with an average net income increase for farmers of $300 million per year.7


Use of biodiesel is most advanced in Europe. B100 or pure biodiesel is now widely available in Germany, Italy and Austria. In Germany there are over 1000 outlets where biodiesel is cheaper than standard diesel. France, currently the largest user of biodiesel in the world, has a minimum mix of 5% in all diesel sold, with B50 becoming more common and popular.8 


In both Europe and the US some diesel car manufacturers have extended their warranties to cover biodiesel. Unfortunately in Australia use of biodiesel in diesel engines usually voids the warranty, despite the fact that biodiesel made to appropriate standards (DIN 51606), is not harmful to modern diesel engines, and has in fact been shown to have benefits such as enhanced lubrication.9 


Although in Australia only a very small percentage of cars are diesel, overseas the percentage is far greater and increasing. In 1990, about 3% of British cars were diesel, today this figure is almost 20%. Other European countries are equally high - 28% in France and 39% in Belgium.10 


Biodiesel Developments in Australia
 Some large-scale biodiesel plant are currently operating in Australia. Current production capacity in Australia is about 18 million litres per year, however plans for establishment of new facilities or expansion of existing ones will increase this capacity to around 90 million litres per year.11 In Wyong NSW, Australian Biodiesel Consultancy and Collex are currently operating a trial biodiesel plant, using recycled cooking oil and tallow that produces 15 million litres per year. In WA, Australian Renewable Fuels plans to complete construction of a 40 million litre per year plant by the end of 2002. It will use low grade tallow and used cooking oils as feedstock and will also annually produce 6,000 tonnes of raw glycerine and 1,800 tonnes of sulphate of potash fertiliser in paste form.12 It will use an improved production technology called a Continuous Trans Esterification Reactor (CTER) that reduces processing time from hours to minutes and can reduce plant capital costs by up to 50%. Within a few years they plan to expand nationally with additional plant.13 


In addition to use in transport, biodiesel can be used for stationary electricity generators. These are common in remote locations not connected to the electricity grid - such as mining sites, tourist facilities and homesteads, and account for over a million tonnes of CO2 emissions per year.14 Stanwell Corporation has recently indicated plans to use tallow, waste cooking oil and ethanol to produce biodiesel for electricity production in remote areas.


Sustainability Implications
 The sustainability implications of biodiesel are not clear cut. It has a variety of impacts throughout its life cycle, and these differ in nature and extent depending on how it is produced and used. In order to understand its environmental, social and economic impacts, we need to first look at how it is produced.


Production of Biodiesel
 Biodiesel can be produced from bio-oils using three different methods.15

 Base catalysed transesterification and esterification of oil with an alcohol. 
 
Direct acid catalysed esterification of oil with methanol. 
 
Conversion of oil to fatty acids, and then to alkyl esters with acid catalysis. 

The base catalysed reaction is most often used because:

It uses low temperature (60°C) and pressure (20 psi) processing. 
 
It achieves high conversion (98%) with minimal side reactions and low reaction time. 
 
Conversion to methyl ester is direct with no intermediate steps. 

Using this reaction, biodiesel can even be produced at home using appropriate small-scale equipment. The process occurs in two stages as below. Note that although any alcohol can be used, either ethanol or methanol are the most common. In areas where sugar cane is grown, ethanol is most likely.


Stage 1
 potassium hydroxide + ethanol > potassium ethoxide + water


KOH + CH3CH2OH > CH3CH2OK + H2O


Stage 2
 potassium ethoxide + water + fatty acid triglyceride (oil) > biodiesel (methyl ester) + glycerine + potassium hydroxide 


CH3CH2OK + H2O + C3H5(OOCR)3 > 3RCOOCH3 + C3H5(OH)3 + KOH


R = hydrocarbon chain


In modern automated plant, the whole process takes about 8 hours and is shown in Figure 1.


 


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Hemp will save the planet
Re: Any biomass experts out there? "Peak Oil" post
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 807207 
12 Feb 2004 09:27:21
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What is Biodiesel?

 

Biodiesel is the name for a variety of ester-based oxygenated fuels made from hemp oil, other vegetable oils or animal fats. The concept of using vegetable oil as an engine fuel dates back to 1895 when Dr. Rudolf Diesel developed the first diesel engine to run on vegetable oil. Diesel demonstrated his engine at the World Exhibition in Paris in 1900 using peanut oil as fuel. 


Properties of Biodiesel:

 

Today's diesel engines require a clean-burning, stable fuel that performs well under a variety of operating conditions. Biodiesel is the only alternative fuel that can be used directly in any existing, unmodified diesel engine. Because it has similar properties to petroleum diesel fuel, biodiesel can be blended in any ratio with petroleum diesel fuel. Many federal and state fleet vehicles are already using biodiesel blends in their existing diesel engines. 


The low emissions of biodiesel make it an ideal fuel for use in marine areas, national parks and forests, and heavily polluted cities. Biodiesel has many advantages as a transport fuel. For example, biodiesel can be produced from domestically grown oilseed plants such as hemp. Producing biodiesel from hemp and other domestic crops reduces the United States' dependence on foreign petroleum, increases agricultural revenue, and creates jobs. 


Advantages of Biodiesel:

 
Biodiesel is the only alternative fuel in the US to complete EPA Tier I Health Effects Testing under section 211(b) of the Clean Air Act, which provide the most thorough inventory of environmental and human health effects attributes that current technology will allow.
 
Biodiesel is the only alternative fuel that runs in any conventional, unmodified diesel engine. It can be stored anywhere that petroleum diesel fuel is stored.
 
Biodiesel can be used alone or mixed in any ratio with petroleum diesel fuel. The most common blend is a mix of 20% biodiesel with 80% petroleum diesel, or "B20."
 
The lifecycle production and use of biodiesel produces approximately 80% less carbon dioxide emissions, and almost 100% less sulfur dioxide. Combustion of biodiesel alone provides over a 90% reduction in total unburned hydrocarbons, and a 75-90% reduction in aromatic hydrocarbons. Biodiesel further provides significant reductions in particulates and carbon monoxide than petroleum diesel fuel. Biodiesel provides a slight increase or decrease in nitrogen oxides depending on engine family and testing procedures. Based on Ames Mutagenicity tests, biodiesel provides a 90% reduction in cancer risks.
 
Biodiesel is 11% oxygen by weight and contains no sulfur. The use of biodiesel can extend the life of diesel engines because it is more lubricating than petroleum diesel fuel, while fuel consumption, auto ignition, power output, and engine torque are relatively unaffected by biodiesel.
 
Biodiesel is safe to handle and transport because it is as biodegradable as sugar, 10 times less toxic than table salt, and has a high flashpoint of about 300 F compared to petroleum diesel fuel, which has a flash point of 125 F.
 
Biodiesel can be made from domestically produced, renewable oilseed crops such as hemp.
 
Biodiesel is a proven fuel with over 30 million successful US road miles, and over 20 years of use in Europe.
 
When burned in a diesel engine, biodiesel replaces the exhaust odor of petroleum diesel with the pleasant smell of hemp, popcorn or french fries.
 
The Congressional Budget Office, Department of Defense, US Department of Agriculture, and others have determined that biodiesel is the low cost alternative fuel option for fleets to meet requirements of the Energy Policy Act.
 

Biodiesel Impact:

 

An important factor that is not usually considered when calculating the costs and benefits of industrial feedstock materials is the macroeconomic effect associated with domestically produced, renewable energy sources. Economic benefits of a biodiesel industry in the US would include value added to the feedstock (oilseeds or animal fats), an increased number of manufacturing jobs, an increased tax base from plant operations and income taxes, investments in plant and equipment, improvement of our trade balance, and reductions in health care costs due to improved air quality and greenhouse gas mitigation. 


Biodiesel has positive impacts on the state economy. An Iowa State University study concluded that three economic benefits would accrue to state from biodiesel. First, biodiesel expands demand for soybean oil, causing processors to pay more for soybeans, In addition, soybean farmers near the biodiesel plant would receive slightly higher prices for soybeans; and third, the presence of a facility that creates energy from soybeans would add value to the state's industrial and income base. 


Dr. Hayes concluded that, "If the state of Iowa were to mandate the use of a 20 percent biodiesel blend in its state vehicle fleet where feasible, the total additional cost of this policy would range from $400,000 to $500,000. If it could be shown that this policy would result in a new five million gallon biodiesel plant in the state, then the policy would create more new tax revenues than it would cost and would clearly be in the best interest of the state." 


Biodiesel has positive implications for production agriculture. A 1996 economic study published by the USDA Office of Energy predicted that a modest, sustained annual market for biodiesel of 100 million gallons in the US would contribute approximately seven cents to the price of each bushel of soybeans produced in the US. Based on last years harvested crop, the increase could have resulted in more than $168 million directly to the use of biodiesel. 


Biodiesel has a positive impact on the US balance of trade.A 1998 biodiesel lifecycle study jointly sponsored by the US Department of Energy and the US Department of Agriculture concluded that increased use of biodiesel and biodiesel blended fuels such as B20 would substantially benefit our economy. The report concluded that national spending to import petroleum sends significant amounts of dollars out of our domestic economy every year. Biodiesel offers the potential to shift this spending from foreign imports to domestically produced energy. The report notes: "With its ability to be used directly in existing diesel engines, biodiesel offers the immediate potential to reduce our demand for petroleum in the transportation sector." 


Biodiesel contributes jobs to the local economy. Economic work conducted at the University of Missouri estimated the benefits of producing biodiesel in a metropolitan region. This study concluded that 100 million gallons of biodiesel production could generate an estimated $8.34 million increase in personal income and over 6,000 additional temporary or permanent jobs for the metropolitan region.1 

http://www.hempcar.org/biofacts.shtml 


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Current News and Events
Re: Bill c-38.  Rumour. /Swerve
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 807198 
12 Feb 2004 09:16:57
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"Right. Trying to decipher this stuff is what got me to the position I am at now. If you are on top of this stuff, why don't you just address the comments I have made"

Look, if you are ARRESTED - let alone convicted - of any offence, it goes into CPIC and NCIC (Canadian and US law-enforcement databases). As I understand it there is no way to stop customs agents from obtaining this information. As I understand it, this will include "simple possession".

As well, we stop sending the message of "we are harmless and should not be punished at all" (like the NDP are currently saying) if we show support for this bill. By supporting this bill, we are confusing the issue. We should refuse to support any move short of total equality with the growers and lovers of coffee beans. We must send the right message.

Even if you get a fine for a few plants instead of an "official" criminal record, is it worth the reduction in penalties for three plants (something hardly ever punished anyway) with the introduction of mandatory minimums and forced treatment and ever-expanding fines?

Decrim sucks no matter how you slice it. I hope that addressed your comments.

 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: David and Abby
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 807178 
12 Feb 2004 08:49:54
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Thanks for the vote of confidence, Red Eye.

I hate to break it to you, but the line is "Chairman Mao", not "Killin Now".

Indeed, Abby would be bested by me if it was debate, boxing or checkers. It's a good thing the anti-jews have nothing more erudite on their side. His annonimity protects him from having to back up what he says - totally necessary to maintain his point of view. Those IHR guys wouldn't last half an hour in the arena of ideas with any half-decent historian, and Abby doesn't even know a fraction of what they do. 


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Terrorism and Drug War
You have no documents, only opinions.
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 807169 
12 Feb 2004 08:30:33
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"ya right after the zionists declaired war"

What are you talking about? Hitler bragged about it in '39 - before anyone in WW2 declaired war. Goebbels repeated this boast in Nov. of '41, as the killing machine began to kick-in.





"If international financial Jewry, in Europe and beyond, should succeed in plunging the nations into another world war, the result will be not be the Bolshevization of the world and thus the victory of Jewry, but the destruction of the Jewish race in Europe." - Adolf Hitler to the Reichstag, Jan. 30th, 1939











As for "zionists" declairing war, it was Hitler's bunch that invaded Poland by dressing a bunch of convicts up in Polish uniforms and then shooting them, pretended they were being invaded by Poland and "defended" themselves. If you don't know your basic WW2 history, you need to seriously hit the books before you post again.

Or else provide sources for what you say. Not "OPINIONS" - SOURCES. 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re:  dead germans not jews being bulldozed into pi
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 807164 
12 Feb 2004 08:17:16
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"they are the sources stupid..they were there ..do you think only jews can be sources..ike was a part jew like you that hates german people...and fellow blue eyed blonde devils "

Even if he was "there" - he still has to provide sources for all controversial things he says that he didn't witness personally - and most of what he wrote was taken from other books and other people. Example:

"It was Eisenhower's advise to F.D.R. and Churchill, which caused the war to drag on for two extra years, resulting in millions of deaths on both sides, and hundreds of billions of dollars of profit for Eisenhower's racial brethren, the International bankers, who financed both sides."

What "advice"? Where is the proof, if this is true? There is information saying that Eisenhower wasn't a jew, and there's information saying most US bankers are not jews. If your guy doesn't have any sources for what he says, he's just another right-wing opinionated freak - just like you guys (except we assume he's using his real name).
 
History 4, "Aint-a-cadaver" 0 


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Counter-Counterspin
Decrim sucks - here's why!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 807141 
12 Feb 2004 07:57:41
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"I know there are a number of people on this forum who do not like this bill but at least, as it now stands, people will no longer be getting criminal records and going to jail for the harmless offence of smoking a little pot."

No, now they'll be going to treatment if they get caught twice, and jail for unpaid fines. The records won't be "criminal records" but there will still be records and most employers and all customs agents will treat them as if they were criminal records.

There is NOTHING good about the bill - we will be financing our own persecution, so it will remove the financial barrier for mass arrests.

Plus they're probably going to slip mandatory minimums for growers in either at the last second or at a later date.









 "In addition the committee has added provisions which make it a minor offence to grow a couple of plants and which forbid the keeping of police records related to marijuana offences. In its current form, this is quite a far-sighted and humane piece of legislation IMHO. "

I think you haven't done enough homework on decrim. Here, read these and watch this:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1586.html

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2216.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2302.html 


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Current News and Events
Re: Bill c-38.  Rumour. /Swerve
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 807138 
12 Feb 2004 07:56:02
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"I know there are a number of people on this forum who do not like this bill but at least, as it now stands, people will no longer be getting criminal records and going to jail for the harmless offence of smoking a little pot."

No, now they'll be going to treatment if they get caught twice, and jail for unpaid fines. The records won't be "criminal records" but there will still be records and most employers and all customs agents will treat them as if they were criminal records.

There is NOTHING good about the bill - we will be financing our own persecution, so it will remove the financial barrier for mass arrests.









 "In addition the committee has added provisions which make it a minor offence to grow a couple of plants and which forbid the keeping of police records related to marijuana offences. In its current form, this is quite a far-sighted and humane piece of legislation IMHO. "

I think you haven't done enough homework on decrim. Here, read these and watch this:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1586.html

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2216.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2302.html
 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Heres some true documentation peon!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 806398 
11 Feb 2004 11:33:32
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Spare us the pages and pages and pages of spam. Do what others do, make your point, quote a paragraph or two and PROVIDE THE FRIGGIN LINK. 

If you cut and paste - for the bazillianth time - and if you are arguing in good faith (not just dumping spam) then REVEAL YOUR SOURCES. 

It's called fighting fair.

As for the "we gassed all those jews to avoid getting typhus"....

Ha. That's mighty hygenic of them. Too bad Hitler and co. made all those boasts about "annihilating" the European Jewery right before their killing spree ... otherwise people would think that it wasn't a planned, "master-race" related affair. 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re:  dead germans not jews being bulldozed into pits
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 806390 
11 Feb 2004 11:26:57
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http://www.scripturesforamerica.org/html2/jm0053.htm

The above "what really happened in WW2 is different than most of the stuff on WW2 in that IT DOESN'T CONTAIN ANY NOTES OR SOURCES.

The people you quote are afraid of scholarship. It's all right-wing OPINION.

If you click on the guy's home page:

http://www.scripturesforamerica.org/html2/_jmindex.html

You can see he's a sexist racist homophobe who's awaiting the rapture.

Have you got any better sources than that? At least Irving, while being wrong, provides some sources and makes arguments with some evidence. This guy is just like many of the anti-jews on this site: All opinion and no facts. 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Thousands of photos and eye-witnesses - not pr
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 805206 
10 Feb 2004 13:41:01
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Please keep throwing the truth at them. Just try not to hurl abuse:

"Censorship has never been an appropriate way of dealing with the problem of conflicting, insensitive, evil or fallacious opinion. The most effective antidote is free discussion and free debate, based on a commitment to tolerance, understanding and truth. Anything else is inconceivable in a democracy in times of peace.[194]"

http://www.resistance.com/Hayward/hay6.html 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Thousands of photos and eye-witnesses - not proof?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 805169 
10 Feb 2004 13:16:32
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To those who value history - please resist the temptation to say "fuck you" and other abuse.

It's nicer just to throw quotes and pictures at them - thankfully that KKK site provided some cool links that go along way to helping refute it:

"The same day I saw my first horror camp, I visited every nook and cranny. I felt it my duty to be in a position from then on to testify about these things in case there ever grew up at home the belief or assumption that the stories of Nazi brutality were just propaganda."

- General Dwight D. Eisenhower 

http://www.remember.org/educate/intro.html

http://www.remember.org/educate/ausplan.html

http://www.remember.org/educate/aimg0031.html

http://www.remember.org/educate/aimg0036.html

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Birkenau/Birkenau03.html

http://www.spectacle.org/695/krema.html



http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/images/Door.jpg



http://www.clearpointinteractive.com/kymorana/images/war04.jpg

I could go on for days and days doing this - Google has over a thousands of images under "gas chambers" search prompt alone .... I have a similar number of photos in my private "Bayer history" book collection.

Read this, and then refute any of it you find inconsistent. If you can't find anything inconsistent with it, give up and go do something cannabis related. If you don't think fighting IG (Bayer) Farben and their trained monkeys (the Nazis) is important, then you don't understand Bayer at all.

www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer

You "holohoax" spam-artists are distracting the current scapegoats (illegal drug users) with stupid arguments about how the last set of scapegoats (jews, homosexuals, gypsies, communists) were all liars.

If you cared about drugpeace, you wouldn't litter the drug peace activits site with this garbage. All you come up with is a couple of photos of some leaky doors but you can't explain away the records of the guards who got poisoned by these leaks. I guess you all don't care much about drug peace either, right? This is all about the lying banking world-controlling jews, right? 


"In the mortuary there were 2 or 3 ventilation shafts. Through these cyclone gas was poured by the medical orderlies who were protected by gas masks. The initiated members were not allowed to approach the spectacle for self protection, in case any gas might leak out of the chamber."

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Aumeier/100845.html


http://www.resistance.com/Hayward/hay5.html

http://www.resistance.com/Hayward/hay6.html


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: G uess V at? N azis C an't C laim K nowledge
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 804962 
10 Feb 2004 10:08:36
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"When I say I want facts I meant court proceedings and documentation."

Well, all the photos you see before you in the last 30 pages count as "documentation" and you haven't "disproven" one of them yet. The quotes below are from the first page of this conversation - they definately count as "court proceedings".

Disprove away! Ball is now in your court.

 
"There is some evidence that at a site near the camp at Stutthof (about twenty-two miles east of Gdansk [Danzig] the Nazis may have manufactured soap from human remains. Cakes are on display at the museum there and witnesses have testified that soap was made at Stutthof from the fat of dead persons. At the war crime trials Sigmund Mazur, laboratory assistant at the Danzig Anatomic Institute, testified that the institute conducted experiments in producing soap from human bodies. The professor collected bodies, bones, and human fat in "a laboratory for the fabrication of skeletons, the burning of meatand unnecessary bones." The chief, Professor Spanner, gave Mazur the soap recipe: 5 kilos of human fat are mixed with 10 liters of water and 500 or 1,000 grams of caustic soda. All this is boiled two or three hours and then cooled. The soap floats to the surface while the water and other sediments remain at the bottom. A bit of salt and soda is added to this mixture. Then fresh water is added, and the mixture is again boiled two or three hours. After it has cooled, the mixture is poured into molds. Mazur discribes the process; 
 
I boiled the soap out of the bodies of women and men. The process of boiling alone took several days -- from 3 to 7. During two manufacturing processes, in which I directly participated, more than 25 kilograms of soap were produced. The amount of human fat necessary for these two processes was 70 to 80 kilograms collected from some 40 bodies. The finished soap then went to Professor Spanner, who kept it personally. The work for the production of soap from human bodies has, as far as I know, also interested Hitler's Government. The Anatomic Instutute was visited by the Minister of Education, Rust; The Reichsgesundheitsfuhrer [Reich Heath Minister], Doctor Conti; the Gauleiter [party regional leader] of Danzig, Albert Forster; as well as professors from other medical institutes. I used this human soap for my personal needs, for toilet and for laundering. For myself I took 4 kilograms of this soap. 
 
 
Two British POWs, part of the forced labor that built the camp and observed some of the activities there, gave the prosecution staff convincing testimony on the soap experiments. One of them stated: 
 
Owing to the preservative mixture in which they were stored, this tissue came away from the bone very easily. The tissue was then put into a boiler about the size of a small kitchen table .. After boiling the liquid it was put into white trays about twice the size of a sheet of foolscap and about 3 centimeters deep ... Approximately 3 to 4 trayfuls per day were obtained from the machine. A machine for the manufacture of soap was completed some time in March or April 1944. The British prisoners of war had constructed the building in which it was housed in June 1942. The machine itself was installed by a civilian from Danzig by the name of AJRD. It consisted, as far as I remember, of an electrically heated tank in which bones of the corpses were mixed with some acid and melted down. This process of melting down took about 24 hours. The fatty portions of the corpses and particularly those of females were put into a crude enamel tank, heated by a couple of Bunsen burners. Some acid was also used in this process. I think it was caustic soda. When boiling had been completed, the mixture was allowed to cool and then cut into blocks for microscopic examination. 
 
 
The prosecutor showed the court some samples. Similar testimonies and anecdotes abound. 
 
.....quotes taken from the International Military Tribunals, Trials of War Criminals (1947), 7:598-601 (LOC D810.J4F36) 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: responding to antisemetic ..holocaust denier
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 804957 
10 Feb 2004 10:01:58
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You sure got him there. That's a lot of proof for the vowelless to deny.

One small mistake. That "Auschwitz 3" isn't a concentration camp. It's real name is "IG Auschwitz". IG Farben (Bayer) owned it and had it's own concentration camp right next door. That isn't the worlds biggest crematorium, it's for making synthetic fuel. It's an industrial site making synthetic rubber and fuel using slave/death labor. It's all a part of Bayer's horrible history:

www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer 


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Pot-TV Show Reviews
Re: Pot TV News for Feb. 9th, 2004 with Loretta Nall (pottv2462)
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 804479 
10 Feb 2004 00:57:40
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Your latest show was very, very professional. 

Soon many people will just switch over from regular cable TV to computer news services, and your work will be a big part of that. 

I love the snappy segways (the little image clips and sound clips are perfect every time).

Did you ever mix all the school raid images with "Another Brick in the Wall" yet?

You rock my world, Loretta! Keep up the good work! 


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Terrorism and Drug War
G uess V at? N azis C an't C laim K nowledge
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 804405 
10 Feb 2004 00:17:39
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"The info on this that I have read is pretty much all on here(this site)and far from all of it.From what I have read there is very low on the facts themselves and blurred by little add ons for enfacice."

So you've read, have ya? What? What have you read? If it's a book, source the book. If it's from a website, cut and paste it here. If you're just "frontin" - pretending - keep talking and keep avoiding posting any sources.






"There are only to main contentions I have on all of this and those are.

1)The jews being gased!

2)The #s of the Jews that died!"


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Gutless and vowelless
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 804375 
09 Feb 2004 23:46:58
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 "Are you trying to dictate to me what I can and cannot do!"

When you cut and paste, provide a link. It's simple. It's a cowardly thing to throw heaps of unsourced information in here. If you don't, I'll call you a scare-d-cat and make fun of your cowardly nature until you bother to be intellectually honest and show us where you get your info from.







"We as couple of people debating an issue can as a pair decide the rules or the procedures for such but for you to dictate it seems odd to me."

This isn't up for a debate. In school, at work, ANYWHERE contentious issues are debated, people demand (and have a right to demand) sources. If you cut and paste, provide the souce also. You're the first person in these forums to actually contest that basic debating open-ness. Others will avoid it if they feel shameful, but eventually admit where they got it. You're the very first person to call that "dictating terms" instead of considering it "demanding fair and open debate".

Do you know what dumping huge piles of anti-jew cut and paste into the forums without a source is? It's littering. Don't be a litter bug. Give us the source of the information. GIVE IT UP!!!!!









"The words Ive used that arent my own are your supposed proofs that these Fallaciuos accounts occured the way your stating they happened."

If it's "proof" then why are you afraid to provide the link?

You must be so ashamed of it, and you must be equally ashamed of the fact you hold no opinion that doesn't come from the KKK sites.






"Im the farthest thing from a Nazi there probably is but Im being my own Judge arent I."

You're quoting from Irving and at the same time calling yourself "the farthest thing from a Nazi"? Come ON now! You've been sniffing too much of the CIA white powders, haven't you? Irving IS a friggin Nazi. He hangs with them, goes to their meetings, they burn crosses together....



http://www.lexscripta.com/articles/irving.html

http://www.mazal.org/various/Irving-Nazis/Page 010.htm



http://www.guardian.co.uk/irving/





David Irving, le néo-nazi Thomas Hainke à ses côtés, s'adresse à 800 personnes 

http://www.phdn.org/negation/irving/irving-schmidt.html













"Why the use of the hate words you devine fellow!"  

If there's one thing I hate more than an unrepentant Nazi, it's a cheating "no link" unrepentant Nazi who posts piles of shite in my workspace.



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Activists and Activism
Re: CN8 Online Poll ; Legalize Cannabis? VOTE NOW!!!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 804316 
09 Feb 2004 22:58:43
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I did. 

We're at 69% in favor of it being LEGAL! 
26% for "Decrim", and 5% for it remaining completely illegal.

Cool. We're winning. 


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Activists and Activism
Berlin Hemp Museum link
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 804277 
09 Feb 2004 22:28:32
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http://www.hanfmuseum.de/  


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Current News and Events
Re: Global Marijuana March on May 1st -Organizing here
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 804272 
09 Feb 2004 22:25:42
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So far, 122  Cities are Signed up for 2004 .

MAYDAY IS JAY-DAY!

(This year, the first Saturday of May falls on May 1. We arerecommending Sunday, May 2 or Monday May 3 in cities where there issignificant conflict with other local events--or as a rain date. Ofcourse, we understand that some schools have to do it on 4/20 becausetheir school year is over by May, and that some northern cities haveto do it a little later in May...)

albany
albuquerque
amherst
amsterdam
ashland
athens
auckland
austin
bakersfield
basel

bergen
berlin
berne
boone
bratislava
bremen
buenos aires
buffalo
burlington
capetown

chico
christchurch
cincinnati
cleveland
cologne
columbia
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Help us reach our goal of 300 cities worldwide!

To get on the poster for 2004--"Mayday is JayDay"--check yr contact info and email me back telling me to addyr city to the List at the top of this email. By the way, I lost aboutthree weeks email not long after last year's event, and have hadintermittent email service since that time.. Did anything happen onthe first Saturday of May in your area? Numbers? Arrests? Media?Anything of interest happen, etc?

You can also call me at 212-677-4899--or leave a message on212-677-7180.

Dana/cnw
P.S.: We are also interested in adding to our list of prestigiousendorsers, which consists of pot activists well-known in their city orcountry. We need a name and phone number for each. Anysuggestions?

P.P.S: We need on average $100 for each affiliate to print and ship this year's poster.  If you can't send it, we have toraise it somewhere else.

 
HELP RAISE MONEY FOR THE MILLION MARIJUANA MARCH--BOOK A YIPPIESPEAKER!

Recently we wrote you that we need on average $100 for each affiliateto print  and ship this year's poster--and that if you can't sendit, we have to raise it somewhere else.

You can help. Go to http://www.yippiespeakers.com  Here's thegood news: 20% of all speaker fees go to printing and operatingexpenses for the MMM 2004. (If you can get me booked personally it's100%.)
Some of these speakers like Grace Slick and Hunter Thompson get$25,000 just for appearing at yr local university! (Some like DennisPeron are available for a few thousand) Your local group gets 4%finders' fee.

What we need you to do is contact yr local on-campus activists andhave them agitate their student affairs folks in charge of outsidespeakers  (or equivalent) to book some of our speakers. It'simportant to clarify that we are NOT  asking them to get thisfrom the budget of their NORML or SSDP chapter, but from the campusoffice that books outside speakers. (At Kent State they call it theOffice of Student Life, and they paid me $4,000 for a three hourappearance, which went straight to the printer.)

It's a good year for it. Things have come full-circle for Yippie! Wehave all the elements--an illegitimate  Republican Presidenteveryone hates at home, a quagmire war abroad--for the first time since the '70's. And best of all, even though all our speakers supportcannabis and oppose the drug war, they are Yippie, not legalizationspeakers, so you won't have to deal with demands from the universityadministration that you find some anti-drug speaker for "Balance"or you don't get the booking. (Since we are moving toward protestsagainst the Republican Convention in NYC next August, to be fairthey'd have to demand an opponent of protests, period, which isabsurd.)

If you have a hot prospect,  email me right back; but since about half of everything sent to this address "bounces", besure to also put in a call to the speakers bureau at 212-677-7180, andleave a message if no one picks up.

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Any biomass experts out there? "Peak Oil" post
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 804204 
09 Feb 2004 21:45:37
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Dear Reader,

Civilization as we know it is coming to an end soon.  This is not the wacky conclusion of a religious cult, but rather the result of diligent analysis sourced by hard data and the scientists who study global ?Peak Oil? and related geo-political events.  

So who are these nay-sayers who claim the sky is falling? Conspiracy fanatics? Apocalypse Bible prophesy readers?  To the contrary, they are some of the most respected, highest paid geologists and experts in the world. And this is what's so scary.

The situation is so dire that even George W. Bush's Energy Adviser, Matthew Simmons, has acknowledged that "The situation is desperate. This is the world's biggest serious question."  

According to Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham, "America faces a major energy supply crisis over the next two decades.  The failure to meet this challenge will threaten our nation's economic prosperity, compromise our national security, and literally alter the way we lead our lives."

If you are like 99% of the people reading this letter, you have never heard of the term "Peak Oil".  I had not heard the term until a few months ago.   Since learning about Peak Oil, I have had my world view, and basic assumptions about my own individual future turned completely upside down.  

A little about myself: A few months ago, I was a 25 year old law school graduate who found out he had just passed the California Bar Exam.   I was excited about a potentially long and prosperous career in the legal profession, getting married, having kids, contributing to my community, and living the "American Dream."  

Peak Oil has caused me to seriously question how realistic this vision of my life is.

Whether you're 25 or 75, an attorney or an auto mechanic, what you are about to read will shake the foundations of your life.

Below you find a brief explanation of Peak Oil, the ramifications, and what we can do about it.  For the sake of simplicity, I have designed the following explanation for somebody unfamiliar with Peak Oil. If you would like more in depth explanations with graphs, charts, and the like, please consult the extensive interviews, articles and sites I have linked to throughout this site.


What is "Peak Oil"?

All oil production follows a bell curve, whether in an individual field or on the planet as a whole. On the upslope of the curve production costs are significantly lower than on the downslope when extra effort (expense) is required to extract oil from reservoirs that are emptying out.  

Put simply: oil is abundant and cheap on the upslope, scarce and expensive on the downslope.

For the past 150 years, we have been moving up the upslope of the global oil production curve.  "Peak Oil" is the industry term for the top of the curve.  It's often referred to as "Hubbert's Peak" a reference to King Hubbert, the geologist who discovered that oil production follows a bell curve.

Once we pass the peak, we will go down the very steep downslope. The further we go down the slope, the more it costs to produce oil, and its cousin, natural gas.

In practical terms, this means that if 2000 was the year of Peak Oil, worldwide oil production in the year 2020 will be the same as it was in 1980.  However, the world's population in 2020 will be both much larger (by approximately 200%) and much more industrialized than it was in 1980.  Consequently,  worldwide demand for oil will outpace the worldwide production of oil by a significant margin.

The more demand for oil exceeds production of oil, the higher the price goes.

Ultimately, the question is not "When will we run out of oil?" but rather, "When will we run out of cheap oil?"


When will Peak Oil occur?

The most wildly optimistic estimates indicate 2020 will be the year in which worldwide oil production peaks.  Generally, these estimates come from the government.

A more realistic estimate is between the year 2004-2010.  Unfortunately, we won't know that we hit the peak until 3-4 years after we actually hit it.  Even on the upslope of the curve, oil production varies a bit from year to year.  It is possible that the year 2000 was the year of peak oil production, as production has dipped every year since.  

The energy industry has quietly acknowledged the seriousness of the situation.  For instance, the president of Exxon Mobil Exploration Company, Jon Thompson, recently stated, "By 2015, we will need to find, develop and produce a volume of new oil and gas that is equal to eight out of every 10 barrels being produced today."  In 1999, Mike Bowlin, the Chairman and CEO of ARCO stated, "We've embarked on the beginning of the last days of the age of oil."  

Even the Saudis are aware of the situation.  They have a saying that goes, "My father rode a camel.  I drive a car. My son flies a jet airplane. His son will ride a camel."

That sounds pretty bad, but if gas prices get too high, I'll just carpool or take public transportation more.  What's the big deal?

Almost every current human endeavor from transportation, to manufacturing, to electricity to plastics, and especially food production is inextricably intertwined with oil and natural gas supplies. 

Commercial food production is oil powered. Most pesticides are petroleum (oil) based, and all commercial fertilizers are ammonia based. Ammonia is produced from natural gas. 

Oil based agriculture is primarily responsible for the world's population exploding from 1 billion at the middle of the 19th century to 6.3 billion at the turn of the 21st.

Oil allowed for farming implements such as tractors, food storage systems such as refrigerators, and food transport systems such as trucks.  

As oil production went up, so did food production.  As food production went up, so did the population.  As the population went up, the demand for food went up, which increased the demand for oil. 

Oil is also largely responsible for the advances in medicine that have been made in the last 150 years.  Oil allowed for the mass production of pharmaceutical drugs, and the development of health care infrastructure such as hospitals, ambulances, roads, etc . . .

We are now at a point where the demand for food/oil continues to rise, while our ability to produce it in an affordable fashion is about to drop. 

Within a few years of Peak Oil occurring, the price of food will skyrocket because of the cost of fertilizer will soar.  The cost of storing (electricity) and transporting (gasoline) the food that is produced will also soar.  

Oil is required for a lot more than just food, medicine, and transportation. It is also required for nearly every consumer item, water supply pumping, sewage disposal, garbage disposal, street/park maintenance, hospitals & health systems, police, fire services, and national defense. 

Additionally, as you are probably already aware, wars are often fought over oil.

Thus, the aftermath of Peak Oil will extend far beyond how much you will pay for gas. Simply stated, you can expect: war, starvation, economic collapse, possibly even the extinction of Homo sapiens.  

This is known as the post-oil "die-off".  The term "die-off" captures perfectly the nightmare that is at our doorstep

What do you mean by "die-off"?

Exactly what it sounds like.  It is estimated that the world's population will contract to 500 million during the Oil Crash.  (current world population: 6 billion)

5.5 billion deaths?  That is ridiculous.  I could see that things might get pretty bad, but the idea that 90% of the world's population could die is ludicrous!  Did you just pull that number out of your ass?

Far from it.  That estimate comes from biologists who have studied what happens to every species when it exceeds the carrying capacity of its environment in one life giving aspect or another.

For instance, bacteria in a petri dish will grow exponentially until they run out of resources, at which point their population will crash.   Only one generation prior to the crash, the bacteria will have used up half the resources available to them. To the bacteria, there will be no hint of a problem until they starve to death.

While comparing humans to bacteria in a petri dish is a bit uncomfortable, the similarities are numerous:

The first commercial oil well was drilled in 1859.  At that time, the world's population was about 1 billion. Less than 150 years later, our population has exploded to 6.3 billion.  In that time, we have used up half the world's recoverable oil.  Of the half that's left, most will be very expensive to extract .  If the experts are correct, we are less than one generation away from a crash.  Yet to most of us, there appears to be no hint of a problem.

We need not look solely to the petri dish to predict what will happen to the planet.  We can look to our own history. 

Take the case of the famous Irish potato famine. For well over a century, year after steady year, the British encouraged and the Irish developed a near-total dependency upon a single dietary mainstay, the potato, and the population of the island grew from 2 million people to more than 8 million. 

Then suddenly in 1845, a parasitic fungus turned the potatoes into sticky, inedible, mucous globs. Within a generation the country was devastated, more than half the population died or emigrated, and those who remained were reduced to a poverty that diminished only a century later.

In some ways, our situation is more like that of the bacteria than that of the Irish.   The severity of the potato famine was offset by the fact that many of the Irish could emigrate to the land of plenty: America. This allowed those who remained to make the most of what little resources were left.

Like the bacteria in the petri dish, we have nowhere else to go.

But we do have WMD to toss at each other. 

After we hit the peak, how are things likely to progress?

According to Professor Richard Heinberg:

1. Rising petrol prices.

2. Increase in cost of living.

3. Increase in death due to starvation (most likely to be seen in the 3rd world first).

4. War (pre-emptive) for resource rich areas.

5. Economic collapse and further chaos (mass scale starvation affecting the globe, increasing war, and potentially cannibalism due to food shortages and all that fresh meat laying around).

6. Restablization resulting from reduced numbers of humans and conservation of remaining resources (enough to potentially last another 100 years).

How will this compare to past events like the Great Depression?

If you'd like to use history as a guide, I feel the following timeline is a reasonable approximation of what to expect in developed nations such as the United States:

1-5 years post-peak:  Major recession comparable to those experienced during the artificially created oil shortages of the 1970's.

5-15 years post-peak:  Recession worsens into a second Great Depression.

15-25 years post-peak:  Society begins to collapse.  Conditions in the United States begin to resemble those in the modern day former U.S.S.R. 

25-50 years post-peak:  Societal collapse worsens.  Conditions in the United States begin to resemble those in modern day Iraq: electrical grid collapse, clean water shortages, super high unemployment, military police state.

50-100 years post-peak:  Society begins to stabilize, albeit in a form drastically different than anything most of us have imagined.

Is it possible that we have already hit Peak Oil and are now in the first stages of the Oil Crash?

Yes.  As stated above, we won't know we have hit the Peak until a few years after we hit it.  Global oil production has dipped every year since 2000, so it is quite possible we've hit the peak.

Ample evidence exists that we are in the first stages of the Oil Crash.  In the last year (2003), the cost of food has risen 16%-25%.  Health care costs have risen 15%.  Education costs have risen 20%.  These are often excluded from measures of inflation because they are considered "volatile".

As of 12/03 the "adjusted" unemployment, which has been squeezed out of as much meaning as conceivably possible, still hovers in the 6% range.  However, if you factor in the quality of employment, then the real numbers are closer to 12%-15%.

The rolling blackouts experienced in California during Fall 2000, the massive East Coast blackout of August, 2003 and the various other massive blackouts that occurred throughout the world during late summer of 2003, while not directly related to Peak Oil, are simply a sign of things to come.

At the Paris Peak Oil Conference in May, 2003, Princeton Professor Kenneth Deffeyes, author of Hubbert's Peak: The Impending World Oil Shortage, explained that Peak Oil actually arrived in 2000 by noting that production has actually been declining since that time. 

As further evidence of the production peak, Deffeyes noted that since 2000, there has been a 30% drop in stock values, interest rate cuts have not helped, 2.5 million have become unemployed and the employed have been unable to retire, budget surpluses have vanished, the middle class has vanished, and the World Trade Center has vanished. 


What about alternatives like solar, wind, hydrogen etc?

Unfortunately, the ability of these alternatives to replace fossil fuels is based more in myth than reality.

Fossil fuels account for 65% of our current global energy supply. None of the traditional alternatives can supply anywhere near this much energy, let alone the amount we will need in the future as our population continues to grow and industrialize. 

Let's briefly examine the commonly proposed oil alternatives:

(The following data has been extensively researched by Bruce Thompson, moderator of the Yahoo Group, Running on Empty)

Natural Gas: 

Natural Gas currently supplies 20% of global energy supply.  Gas itself will start running out from 2020 on. Demand for natural gas in North America is already outstripping supply, especially as power utilities take the remaining gas to generate electricity. Gas is not suited for existing jet aircraft, ships, vehicles, and equipment for agriculture and other products. Conversion consumes large amounts of energy as well as money. Natural gas also does not provide the huge array of chemical by-products that we depend on oil for.

Hydro-Electric:

Hydro-Electric power currently accounts for 2.3% of global energy supply, compared with the 40% provided by oil. It is unsuitable for aircrafts and the present 800 million existing vehicles.

Solar

Solar power accounts for .006% of global energy supply. Energy varies constantly with weather or day/night. Not storable or portable energy like oil or natural gas so unsuited for present vehicles and industry. Batteries bulky, expensive, wear out in 5-10 years. 

A typical solar water panel array can deliver 50% to 85% of a home?s hot water though. Using some of our precious remaining crude oil as fuel for manufacturing solar equipment may be wise.

Wind

Wind power accounts for .07% of global energy supply. As with solar, energy varies greatly with weather, and is not portable or storable like oil and gas. 

Wind can not supply oil derivatives such as fertilizer or plastics.

Hydrogen

Hydrogen accounts for 0.01% of global energy.  Hydrogen is currently manufactured from methane gas. It takes more energy to create it than the hydrogen actually provides. It is therefore an energy ?carrier? not a source. Liquid hydrogen occupies four to eleven times the bulk of equivalent gasoline or diesel. Existing vehicles and aircraft and existing distribution systems are not suited to it. Solar hydrogen might be an option in some of the hot countries.

Nuclear

Nuclear is currently being abandoned globally. Its ability to soften the oil crash is very problematic due to several factors:

1.  Possibility of accidents and terrorism. 

2.  Cost: one reactor costs about 13 billion dollars.

3.  Number of reactors needed: 1,000's

4.  Not directly suited for transportation or agriculture.

5.  Uranium requires energy from oil from in order to be mined.  

6.  All abandoned reactors are radioactive for decades or millennia.

7. Even if we were to overlook these problems, nuclear power is only a short-term solution. Uranium, too, has a Hubbert's peak, and the current known reserves can supply the earth's energy needs for only 25 years at best.

Coal

Coal accounts for 24% of current global energy supply. As a replacement for oil, it is unsuitable due to the fact that it is 50% to 200% heavier than oil per energy unit.  Substituting coal for oil would require expansion of coal mining, leading to land ruin and increase in greenhouse gas emissions.  In contrast to oil and gas fuels, fine-tuning the rate at which coal burns is difficult.  It is therefore used in power stations to make electricity, wasting half of its energy content. 

Coal mining operations run on oil fuels as do coal-mining machinery and transportation. Pollution is also a major problem. A single coal-fired station can produce a million tons of solid waste each year. Burning coal in homes pollutes air with acrid smog containing acid gases and particles. Large pollution & environmental problems: (Smog, greenhouse gases, and acid rain).  Finally, liquid fuels from coal are very inefficient, and huge amounts of water required. 

Non-Conventional Sources Such as Shale, Tar Sand, & Coalbed Methane

These non-conventional sources currently account for 6% of US gas supply.  Each of these alternatives would require a huge investment in research and infrastructure to exploit them, plus large amounts of now-expiring oil, before they could be brought online. 

For example, in Canada  about 200 thousand barrels a day are being produced in Alberta of non-conventional oil, but it takes about 2 barrels of oil in energy investment to produce 3 barrels of oil equivalent from those resources. Additionally, the environmental costs are horrendous and the process uses a tremendous amount of fresh water and also natural gas, both of which are in limited supply. 

The major problem with non-conventional oil is that they cannot be exploited before the oil shocks cripple attempts to bring them on line, and the rate of extraction is far too slow to meet the huge global energy demand.

You're forgetting about biomass and ethanol.  We can just grow our fuel.

In an article entitled The Post Petroleum Paradigm, retired Professor of Geology at the University of Oregon, Dr. Walter Youngquist addresses the severe limitations of biomass and ethanol.  The following is an excerpt from that article:

Oil derived from plants is sometimes promoted as a fuel source to replace petroleum. 

The facts and experience with ethanol are an example.  Ethanol is a plant-derived alcohol (usually from corn) which is used today, chiefly in the form of gasohol, a mixture of 10% ethanol and 90% gasoline. Because it is used to some extent,it is commonly thought that ethanol is a partially acceptable solution to the fuel problem for machines. 

However, ethanol is an energy negative ? it takes more energy to produce it than is obtained from ethanol. 

Ethanol production is wasteful of fossil energy resources. About 71% more energy is used to produce a gallon of ethanol than the energy contained in a gallon of ethanol. 

Ethanol production survives by the grace of a subsidy by the U.S. government from taxpayer dollars. Continuing the production of ethanol is purely a device for buying the Midwest U.S. farm vote, and may also be related to the fact that the company which makes 60% of U.S. ethanol is also one of the largest contributors of campaign money to the Congress ? a distressing example of politics overriding logic. 


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Gutless and vowelless
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 803919 
09 Feb 2004 16:44:52
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Hey Nazi boy. If you're going to quote David Irving ad nausium, at least give us the link so we can read what pages you're stealing it from.

That means that WHENEVER you cut and paste your vile filth in this forum, do us all a favor and post the link, too. Otherwise it exposes you as so cowardly in your beliefs that you are ashamed to tell us all where they are from.

If that's the case, don't post them at all.

I don't want to have to remind you. Everyone else does it - even "Aintacadaver". 


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Current News and Events
Re: WATCH Cpac Right NOW BILL C 38 DeCriminalization
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 803574 
09 Feb 2004 11:20:14
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I sat through hours of those hearings and selected the highlites and put them in a PTV show: The history of "decrim"

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2302.html

Kirk is my special guest. The show has many clips from history and a boomin soundtrack. Watch for the Hedy Fry "mandatory treatment for repeat offenders" quote at the end.

 


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Terrorism and Drug War
When I called you "sourceless" that was an insult
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 803536 
09 Feb 2004 10:15:40
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So you go ahead and post something that you obviously cut and paste .... with no link. 

Wow. I've never seen so much material that was shamefully posted in these forums with no indication of where they were from.

You must truly be ashamed of where you're getting your information from. 


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Ykn shw KKK bucket a heads, but kn yu makem think?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 802147 
08 Feb 2004 11:15:35
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You guys. Guys without names or sources for your fuct prejudiced opinions. You guys crack me up.

I'm just going to leave those unfortunate beings who have read this far this list of places to go .... to avoid falling prey to the "jews are always causing banking problems and that's why they gotta die en mass again" club and their psychotic thinking and behavior.

I disagree with hate laws (or laws against any feelings or emotions) and feel anyone should be able to say anything without fear of arrest (perhaps shouting into someones ear or uttering death threats are exceptions, but most would agree that's an example of harm, not speech). That goes for the internet, too. Even these forums. But I would love these snakes to go away after they've got their pants beaten again and again and again. Just voluntarily leave. Perhaps challenging them to a public debate to defend their views would solve the issue ... exaust the debate ... take the wind from their sails ... once they saw that they would never convince more than a small minority of hatefull folk, they would just give up. I think that could happen.

Any of you snakes wanna debate at a university? I could make it happen.

Oh, I forgot. You're all a bunch of anonymous cowards.


That being said, I have to say that the snakes that disbelieve the Milky-Way sized constellation of evidence that proves that the Nazi's did everything from mass-slavery and mass death to mass human fertilizer and a limited experiment in human soap, dissapoint me. They are not motivated by a search for truth, but by a need to place blame somewhere other than where it should really go. Maybe they bought the "jew bankers rule" thing early on and established friends along the way that were worth more than exploring the evidence. Maybe they were third generation Nazis. Who knows why they did it?

If the heartless bastards would eat cabbages grown from jewish ashes, you can bet they would wash their clothes with their enemies too. Yet they ignore the 3 Nuremburg witnesses and the documentary "Night and Fog" with it's graphic depiction of the soap process - complete with the bucket of heads that was posted here in this conversation .... and they're STILL trying to argue that "everyone knows the soap myth is just a myth - even JEWS know it was a myth". 

Explain the film then, smarty boys. It wasn't Hollywood. It was a French documentary, one of the most respected and NEVER REFUTED documentaries out there.

How can I call them heartless? Because they're still around and they continue to choose to, as Chomsky often says, "lose their humanity" over trying to play make believe and pretend it didn't happen.

Well, here's a list of websites that say it did happen. The mass-slavery, the mass-death, the mass recycling of human bodies into fertilizer and carpet and soap. I'm sure "Aintacadaver" and his merry band of greasy sock-puppets will be back to try and poke holes in it .... but it is a mountain, they can't poke wholes in a mountain, and to tell you the honest truth don't see the wholes, frankly. If the soap issue is the only issue that there is not a concensus on, Abby and the socks have yet to come up with anything more than opinion - not enough to ignore "Night and Fog".

Now, you heartless sons of cabbage-eating bastards, you yellow bunch of nameless cowards, come up with something a bit more compelling than "the arm on this dead woman is slightly twisted out of shape, therefor the photo was faked therefore the whole Holocaust was done on a Hollywood set" or climb back under the rock you came from.

http://www.holocaust-trc.org/home.htm

http://www.facinghistory.org/facing/fhaov3sb.nsf/(main)/1

http://www.holocaust-education.de/

http://www.vhec.org/

http://www.connectexpress.com/~holocaustart/

http://art.holocaust-education.net/

http://www.nizkor.org/

http://taskforce.ushmm.org/

http://www.frankcass.com/jnls/jhe.htm

http://www.wsherc.org/

http://www.hatikvah-center.org/

http://www.mchekc.org/

http://www.state.nj.us/njded/holocaust/

http://www.center-for-holocaust-education.de/

http://www.remember.org/educate/

http://www.jpi.org/holocaust/

http://www.het.org.uk/

http://www.fasena.de/e/

http://www.holocaustedu.org/

http://maura.setonhill.edu/~holocst/

http://www.firn.edu/doe/holocaust/

http://www.tennesseeholocaustcommission.org/

http://www.sussex.ac.uk/Units/cgjs/teachingpack/teachingpack.html

http://www.bnaibrith.ca/league/hh-teachers/educan00.html

http://www.jewishmuseum.net/Holocaust.htm

http://www.mindspring.com/~cleanccl/holocaustlessonplans.html

http://www.wce.wwu.edu/Resources/NWCHE/

http://www.acaje.org/Holocaust/HolocaustResources.shtml

http://www.msu.edu/user/jewishst/HolocaustEducation.html

http://jfednepa.org/hmrc/

http://www.holocaustef.org/

http://www.javari.com/shoahbook/serv03.htm

http://www.flholocaustmuseum.org/

http://www.hopesite.ca/

http://www.holocaustforum.gov.se/

http://www.iwm.org.uk/education/holocaust/

The first 40 of over 30,000 sites listed on Google. Everyone knows what snakes the Nazi's were ... impossible to cover up in the age of information.


Given the evidence ... why do people deny the Holocaust? 

The cynical truth comes to us by way of an obscure extremist group, which boasts: 

 "The real purpose of holocaust revisionism is to make 
 National Socialism an acceptable political alternative again." 

http://www.nizkor.org/

And everyone knows who first imported National Socialism to Germany? 
I.G. Farben! The Bayer bastards who have come to steal our cannabis economy!

From my notes for my article in CC magazine:

Aside from calling for a "Fuhrer" and gassing millions, I.G. would set other examples for the Nazis to follow. In 1916, the IG chemist and plant manager Werner Daitz was to write;

"A new type of state socialism is appearing, totally different from that which any of us have dreamed or thought of. Private economic initiative and the private capitalist economy will not be crippled, but will be regimented from the points of view of state socialism in that capital will be concentrated in the national economy and will be directed outwards with uniform impetus It breaks this up into national socialism whose election promise will be: work rather than phrases." (27)

Keep in mind, this is at least three years before Hitler added "National Socialist" to the "German Worker's Party" - where the term "Nazi" comes from. Both Hitler and I.G. were probably tripping off the same Austrian right-wing political vibe, but it seems like I.G. tripped first, doing much to import National Socialism into Germany.


(27) Sasuly, Richard, "IG Farben," 1947, Boni & Gaer, p. 53

http://www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer 


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Someone should investigate THESE GUYS!!!!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 802108 
08 Feb 2004 10:09:56
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 "Do you know how much of the event they taped!They may have taped the whole thing.Meaning the first plane and that would mean forknowledge of the event would it not."

It would. But forknowledge is not complicity.




"But it was put in the hands of DOGMA and you will never really know now will you. Just use deductive reasoning sheeple and it will show you the light."

Israel may have knew, but may have also reported it to the CIA like all the other intelligence agencies did.

54.  2001-2002 - It has been documented that the CIA, the Israeli Mossad, and many other intelligence agencies monitor stock trading in real time using highly advanced programs reported to be descended from Promis software. This is to alert national intelligence services of just such kinds of attacks. Promis was reported as recently as June 2001 to be in Osama bin Laden's possession and, as a result of recent stories by Fox, both the FBI and the Justice Department have confirmed its use for U.S. intelligence gathering through at least summer 2002. This would confirm that CIA had additional advance warning of imminent attacks. [Sources: The Washington Times, June 15, 2001; Fox, Oct. 16, 2001; 
 FTW, Oct. 26, 2001, - http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/11_19_01_magic_carpet.html 
 FTW, Vol. IV, No. 6, Sept. 18, 2001 - http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/sept1801.html; 
 FTW, Vol. III, No. 7, Sept. 30, 2000 - http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/pandora/052401_promis.html]

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html




Of course, the REAL suspicious "forknowledge video" comes, not from Israeli secret agents, but from the French film makers Jules & Gedeon Naudet. They shot footage of the first plane hitting from the hit side because they were placed (by somebody) into the WTC's #1 fire fighter unit, and they were called out on 9-11 to check out a report of a gas leak - in a place with a perfect unobstructed view of the towers. Nobody has ever checked out where they got the money to do the film, or who called in the gas leak.












 


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Current News and Events
Re: An op-ed from some nut on the Sunshine Coast
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 801172 
07 Feb 2004 14:22:41
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Nice one. That should get the 18 percent who are still against grow ops thinking. Did you see the online poll? 82% against the grow busters. 

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Activists and Activism
Resources on decrim - and how fuct it is...
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 801097 
07 Feb 2004 12:04:49
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http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3064.html

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2216.html

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1586.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2302.html 


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Current News and Events
An op-ed from some nut on the Sunshine Coast
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 801093 
07 Feb 2004 11:58:12
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The Coast Reporter ....
the only local paper on the Sunshine Coast.


What was he thinking?
OPINION

By Ian Jacques/Editor [email protected]

Last week Sunshine Coast Regional District director Adrian Belshaw may 
have put his foot in his mouth when he publicly told police to stop 
busting marijuana growers.

 We're curious as to where Mr. Belshaw's head was at when he made this 
statement - and judging by several letters to the editor we have 
received this week, we aren't the only ones.

 To refresh your memory, Belshaw said, "The current squandering of 
police resources on busting grow-ops, that are currently bringing more 
money into the community than logging is, should stop." Belshaw made 
these comments during a discussion about RCMP priorities at an SCRD 
committee meeting.

 Belshaw suggests police should use resources more effectively for such 
things as traffic enforcement and violent crime.

 While we can agree that traffic enforcement and violent crime are also 
important, we wonder what Adrian defines as violent crime?

 In case he didn't know, recent reports in Vancouver newspapers have 
suggested that B.C. marijuana is financing guns being used by soldiers 
in Afghanistan.

 If this information isn't violent enough, how about other problems 
associated with grow-ops, such as rental homes being destroyed, 
property values decreasing in areas where known drug houses are 
located, B.C. Hydro theft, home invasions and biker-gang affiliations. 
All sounds pretty violent to us and not things people on the Sunshine 
Coast, or anywhere for that matter, want to be associated with.

 Belshaw is way out of line with his reckless notion that police should 
stop busting grow shows. After all, producing drugs is an illegal 
activity. Aren't the police supposed to target illegal, criminal 
activity?

 Belshaw is right on one thing, though - marijuana grow-ops are 
bringing in big bucks, but it's for all the wrong reasons.

 We think Belshaw should concentrate on being an SCRD director and 
worry about issues like the grants-in-aid debate, the new SCRD budget, 
the water treatment plant and the countless other issues that are being 
faced by SCRD directors.

 The police are paid to do a job. Politicians should let them get on 
with it and not comment on things they know very little about.

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Terrorism and Drug War
Saw the Van. premier of "Fog of War" last night
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 801086 
07 Feb 2004 11:36:47
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THE FOG OF WAR (Festival Centerpiece) 
 Errol Morris's new film is a dazzling cinematic dialogue with the conscience of Robert S. McNamara - WWII military strategist, auto executive and, most famously, Secretary of Defense during the escalation of the Vietnam War. Morris asks the question: how can a mere mortal come to terms with history, particularly one who has done so much to shape it? For the all-too-human McNamara, past haunts present, hindsight is stopped dead in its tracks by the lingering reality of military and human catastrophe, and apology and self-justification keep trumping one another. Morris appears to let his subject, over 80 but as sharp as ever, lead the way, and the filmmaker uses archival footage, visual aids and a Philip Glass score, not to mention his own fiery intelligence, to offer a subtly ironic counterpoint. What develops is a haunting, crystal-clear portrait of human error in action. A genuine tour-de-force, from a filmmaker at the top of his form. 

http://www.filmlinc.com/nyff/nyfffilm2003.htm






Effin Brilliant! Amazing soundtrack and visuals. Go see it in the theater - unless you don't want to understand WW1, 2 & 3.
 


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Current News and Events
Re: CBC Audio: Cotler on Decriminilization
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 801054 
07 Feb 2004 11:05:44
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Terrorism and Drug War
Abby wouldn't know evidence if it bit him on the a
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 800836 
07 Feb 2004 03:53:17
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 "incontrovertible evidence??"

Yes, that film you're too chickenshit to rent. "Night and Fog". Incontrovertible evidence.




"...all nazi are bad .....the ones then... the ones now"

No, according to about a million posts of yours, the Nazi's were misunderstood, they were forced to go to war to stop the international jewish banking conspiracy, and the jews got everything they deserved - there were about 20, maybe 30 Jews killed during all of WW2 - half of them deserved it - and the rest was done on a Hollywood set with katsup for blood.


 
DML:

How would you know what a "real" decapitated jewish head looked like anyway? 

 

"...read about it"

Where? In "Holohoax weekly"? "White Supremacy Times"? "A field guide to decapitated heads"?



 
Quote:

 The Nazi's WERE bad - they didn't need anyone's help to look bad. 

 

"they still are ...shut up
there listening" 

I see. I might insult a Nazi if I don't shut up?

Gee, I better keep quiet then. Wouldn't want to insult a Nazi.








 


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Terrorism and Drug War
3 eyewitness & 1 film vs anon sourceless opinion
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 800829 
07 Feb 2004 03:06:56
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Yep Abby, the Hollywood Jews got the Italians to play the part of the Jewish heads - just another Hollywood "Spagetti Western".

Abby, the more you hurl trite remarks against incontrovertible evidence, the more pathetic you look. How would you know what a "real" decapitated jewish head looked like anyway? The KKK must have a page on it if it's a hoax. What do they say about "Night and Fog"? Nothing, I'll bet.

"Night and Fog" has yet to be challenged - even on your fave KKK sites! Considering what they DO challenge, it must be pritty air-tight.

Here's a clue:

It wasn't a Hollywood conspiracy to make the Nazi's look bad. 

The Nazi's WERE bad - they didn't need anyone's help to look bad. 

If you cracked any history book other than David Irving's "Hitler - the misunderstood poet", you'd know that.


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Terrorism and Drug War
Mounting evidence that Abby missed
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 800500 
06 Feb 2004 20:09:16
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Open crates packed with shriveled corpses. A barrel of human 
heads. Rows of decapitated bodies.
 
        From bodies ... But there's nothing left 
        to say.

Cakes of soap on a table.

        From bodies, they wanted to make ... soap.

http://www.geocities.com/emruf4/nightandfog.html
 


Resnais doesn't flinch from showing anything and everything. The huge mound of hair shaved off the woman's head's and the soap making process using body fat is shown in great detail. Resnais has taken the stance that a picture is worth a thousand words and indeed in the case of the pictures in Night and Fog this is very true. These images say more than words ever could. 

http://www.epinions.com/content_56315514500




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Terrorism and Drug War
What? No "Allied War Crime" revisionist websites?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 800492 
06 Feb 2004 20:03:06
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Nobody denies the allies were criminals. Nobody gets paid to - thats why.

Here, found the bucket of heads in the soap factory for you - it's about four fifths of the way down on this page:

http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/diatribe/29.html



There you go .... get nice and clean with THEIR help.

History 3, Abby 0

 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Jew/research hatin' goofs still lurking in forums!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 800412 
06 Feb 2004 18:40:16
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Here's another one. If you don't go and rent this soon, I'm going to come over there to Victoria and show this one at the University, advertizing it in all the Hemp stores and book stores and libraries, to make sure you and everyone else that doesn't believe the Nazi's were the cold-hearted human-soap making skum that they really were. Once you finally get to see the bucket of heads and the tank of soap for yourselves, all that fuct up jew-hatin' energy will leave you and you won't have any more spunk left for the fight.

Watching the film is truly a Rodney King / Tet Offensive / Napalm Girl type of epiphany. That will shut you all up.



Of course, maybe that's why you avoid going to your local "cool" or "quirky" video store to check it out .... you're afraid of the images ... afraid that you'll lose heart in the big "expose all jews as liars and bankers" project you got going on.

I tell ya, none of the other scapegoats have to deal with an army of trolls spouting lies. It's because the anti-jew crowd is FINANCED - that's why there are so many websites - Bayer is paying for some of it, no doubt. They do brag about being "third generation Bayerites" over there.

Gotta keep up with the "Eugenics" and the "Population Control" projects they started way back when.

 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: 'Jewish Soap'Still Lurking In Museum Brochure
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 800403 
06 Feb 2004 18:29:36
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Here is a film you gotta see, funny guy. By the same director as "Mr. Death";



 


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Pot-TV Show Reviews
Re: The Hilary Black Show (pottv2458)
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 800387 
06 Feb 2004 18:11:46
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Some other shows with Hilary on PTV:

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2373.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2050.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1973.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1378.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1319.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1283.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1270.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1153.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-811.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-647.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-535.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-287.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-282.html


Other shows about the BC Compassion Club...

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2183.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1713.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1500.html


Check them all out - they rock!

Hil - it might be a good idea if you ask your website designer to make a "video" page at the Compassion Club website with all these links.

Keep up the good work!
 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Definately non-jews video tape WTC being hit!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 800197 
06 Feb 2004 15:12:54
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"so whats the point.."

The point is, many, many people videotaped 9-11. Just because someone taped it, doesn't mean they knew about it ahead of time. Plus they might have been smiling because they thought that the USA would finally see terrorism from the eyes of the terrorized - some sort of weird unity thing.

I bet what happened was that the Mossad warned the CIA, and the CIA sat on it and did nothing, so the Mossad send some guys out to tape it out of curiosity. Forknowledge is only criminal if it came with responsibility. American security was the CIA's responsibility, not the Mossad. It was the CIA that let American down, not the Mossad. 

How you and those that hold your opinion - "jews taping 9-11 = Israel causing 9-11" - comes to your conclusions is a mystery to me, given the fact that you've never come up with anything anyone would consider reliable evidence.

Oh yes, and the fact that Israel controls the USA due to some loans to some oilmen/bankers 110 years ago paid back 100 years ago. 
 




"...where just interested in the massod type... 
you know the ones that did 911 and blamed the arabs... 
who benefited from 911... "

The AMERICANS on WALL ST. benefitted from 9-11. Perhaps some in Germany, too. Israel is the punching bag, "benefitting" from a stirred-up arab population and an aggressive military/politician tyranny. They get nothing but violence and depleated uranium and threats of suitcase bombs out of it. I don't see how "Israel" benefits at all. Of course, in the long run, Wall St. might not escape the blowback next time (if it's not responsible next time).

 
"number one israel. "

No proof.



 
"number two jewish buisnessmen who just insured the complex .. "

Again, no proof.



 
"..number three israeli poppet zionist government of george bush.."

Now you're getting somewhere, but you've mistaken where he is on the power totem-pole.


 
 
"...number 4 free mason controled millitary industrial complex"

I would say "Skull & Bones" dominated military industrial complex", but since the Masons don't seem to be stopping them, I say six of one half dozen of the other.

 
 
"....no arabs benefited from 911 but they lost half there oil wells to zionist collusion and deciet "

Again, NO PROOF of "zionist" collusion.


Let me try and explain something to you, Abby. When you say something contentious, back it up. I do all the time. 

If you can't back it up, don't say it. 

It cuts down the signal to noise.




 
  


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Current News and Events
Re: The MJ Info pamphlet project
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 800174 
06 Feb 2004 14:54:29
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"Canadian Cannabis statistics" pamphlet #1. (already mostly done, found in rough form in "counter-counterspin" forum back-pages)

"How to talk to your parents about Marijuana" - different pamphlet - starts with "ten myths parents commonly have about marijuana" and then we gather up the ten biggest pot myths and the best sources to refute them. Lets go into smoke-a-phobia, euphoriphobia, driving impaired, "hospital mentions", "more pot heads in treatment", other drug link, crime & terror war link, international treaties - and two others, and turn that into a "Legalization for dummies" - very basic facts in point form with the sources all at the end.

I'll help with this, but I have other writing I'm working on. Most of what you need is collected in the back pages of the "counter-counterspin" forum. I can help more if it's required.

 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Definately non-jews video tape WTC being hit!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 800123 
06 Feb 2004 14:05:22
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http://www.foleyhome.com/terror/ 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Hundreds of 9-11 vids - not all shot by Jews!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 800110 
06 Feb 2004 13:49:33
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http://www.911review.org/Wiki/Sept11Videos.shtml 


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Counter-Counterspin
Re: More radioactivity debate!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 800050 
06 Feb 2004 12:15:10
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Patrick, 

Further regarding how "out-dated" my material was in our last conversation ...

I found in my research:

Surprisingly, the US National Cancer Institute, with an annual budget of $500 million, has no active grants for research on radiation as a cause of lung cancer.1

Winters, TH and Franza, JR. 'Radioactivity in Cigarette Smoke,' New England Journal of Medicine, 1982. 306(6): 364-365

http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Drugs/THC/Health/cancer.rad.html



It's not like the information was done once, refuted and never done again (as is often the case with cannabis research). This research was done repeatedly, verified, and then the funding was cut off.

It's also not true that any of this research was refuted, nor is it true than nothing has been done since the 1980's. Gus Kilthau (refered to in my work and below) was active in the late 1990's doing similar research, despite not being funded by the National Cancer Institute. 

Basically, it's all just a coverup by the Chemical, Agricultural and Nuclear corporations, who all wish to avoid being held liable for polluting the earth and the lungs of smokers.

For another contemporary example of phosphate ferts being blamed for lung cancer in smokers, see the info below.

Sincerely (and curious to know what you think),

David Malmo-Levine







Does Tobacco Cause Cancer? Yes and no. 

How is it that such a powerful spiritual healing substance has become public enemy number one in the ongoing war against cancer? Certainly, there is a massive body of scientific research that shows the carcinogenic potential of tobacco. People who smoke cigarettes, cigars, and pipes have, respectively, 68 percent, 22 percent and 12 percent higher mortality rates than non-smokers.

The conventional wisdom blames nicotine, but the culprit may be the way tobacco is processed for commercial production and the attitude with which it is used rather than the tobacco itself. From the Native American viewpoint, there are three reasons why smoking tobacco MAY be hazardous to health:

1. Overuse and addiction: People who smoke tobacco moderately, with prayer and attentiveness, do not become addicts.

2. Absence of sacred intent: When you use tobacco or any plant according to the Creator's plan, you recieve a blessing; when you ignore the creators plan, you recieve a curse. Not praying when using this most sacred herb is a sacrilege equivalent to stomping on a Bible. The payback may be cancer. And as I said earlier, praying with tobacco is a good way to become conscious of unconscious, habitual smoking, making it easier to stop.

3. Adulterated crops:  Traditional Native Americans smoked only organic tobacco According to the Surgeon General's 1992 report Smoking and Health in the Americas, the smoke-attributable lung cancer mortality rates throughout Latin America are consistently lower than those in North America. Mexico has about one-fifth the rate of the United States. Central and South American Indians, traditionally heavy smokers, have a lower incidence of cancer.

Commercial tobacco, grow with pesticides and chemical fertilizers, is carcinogenic. Cigarette tobacco contains approximately one hundred carcinogenic compounds, including phenol, a poisonous, caustic acid that gradually destroys the brochial tissue, and benzopyrene, an irritant found in both coal and tobacco tars. Though clearly harmful, scientists consider these substances to be relatively weak carcinogens and not the major cause of smoking-related lung cancer. Tars, for example, probably account for 1 percent of smoke-attributable cancers. The chemical carcinogens in tobacco do not CAUSE cancer, they ENCOURAGE it, making it more likely to occur by weakening the lungs, damaging tissue, and making the cells more vulnerable to infection. Instead, it is the unusually high levels of radioactivity found in North American commercial tobacco that are the direct link between smoking and cancer. 

The amount of background radiation exposure from ordinary air, food and water is small, about two hundred millirads per year, or five rads (five thousand millirads) in twenty five years. By modest estimates, an average cigarette smoker is exposed to a minimum of twenty rads per twenty-five years, four times the normal background radiation. 

John B. Little, M.D., et al., "Distribution of Polonium in Pulmonary Tissues of Cigarette Smokers," New England Journal of Medicine 273 (December 16, 1965): 1350, and John B. Little and Edward P Radford Jr., "Polonium 210 in Bronchial Epithelium of Cigarette Smokers," Science 155 (February 3, 1967): 606.


- Radioactive Cigarettes - 

For a comprehensive understanding of the biological dangers of tobacco radioactivity, we need to take into account the combined effect of various radioactive isotopes found in tobacco, the inefficient gaseous exchange in smokers' lungs (causing smoke particles to linger in the tissues), and radioactive "hot spots", such as the bifurcation of the bronchial tree, where the concentration of radioactive elements may be one thousand times greater than in the lungs. Considering all these factors, a person who smokes one and a half packs of cigarettes daily may recieve as much as 60 millirads of radiation each day, 21.9 rads per year, and 547.5 rads in twenty-five years: the equivalent of 547,000 chest x rays.

Marie Brady, R.T., "Radioactive Technologist Examines Radioactivity from Cigarette Smoke," an interview with Gustave F. Kilthau, M.R.T., Nurse Week/Health Week, June 1, 1996, p.2


Scientists have documented several reasons why tobacco produces dangerous levels of radioactivity:

- The chemical fertilizers used to grow tobacco contain calcium. Naturally occuring radium 226 is structurally similar to calcium and may fill its chemical bond, making these fertilizers radioactive.
 
- Because of wind direction in the United States, the East Coast, where most tobacco is grown, has high levels of airborne contaminants, including radioactive isotopes. For instance, radon gas produced across the continent blows east and is concentrated in the East Cost. Air and soil radioactivity levels have also increased because of fallout from nuclear testing during the 1950's and 1960's.

- Lead 210, a decay product or "daughter" of radium 226, has a strong tendency to attach to the tips of the fine hairs on tobacco leaves. As the tobacco leaves burn, lead 210 ladges in the lung tissue. Because lead 210 is not water-soluble, it does not wash quickly out of the smoker's body. as it decays, it exposes the body to carcinogenic alpha particles.

-During its half life of 21.5 years, lead 210 further decays into another toxic isotope, polonium 210.

Tobaccos grown in less contaminated environments and without high-phosphate fertilizers have a much lower polonium concentration. Tobaccos grown in India, for example, have less than 20 percent the polonium of American tobaccos. This may help explain why some tobaccos cause less cancer.

Polonium 210 becomes volatile and dangerous at temperatures above 500 degrees centigrade, well below the temperature of a burning cigarette. It bonds strongly and rapidly to smoke particles. Polonium 210 has a half-life of 138 days, ample time to shoot cancer-causing alpha radiation bullets at and into the bronchi and lungs. Researchers have confirmed that low doses of alpha radiation from polonium 210 can induce lung cancer in animals.

John B. Little, Ann R. Kennedy, and Robert B McGandy, "Lung Cancer Induced in Hamsters by Low Doses of Alpha Radiation from Polonium 210," Science 188 (May 16, 1975): 737-38. Also see the same authors "Effect of Dose Distribution on the Induction of Experimental Lung Cancer by Alpha Radiation," Health Physics 35 (November 1978): 595-606.

- Not suprisingly, the lung tissue, lymph nodes, and tumors of smokers contain unusual concentrations of the 210 radioisotopes.

 
 The lung tissues of chain smokers are continuously bombarded with highly carcinogenic alpha radiation particles. These particles are the most likely direct cause of cancer in smokers, working in synergy with chemical carcinogens, viruses, genetic susceptibility, and emotional/spiritual factors.

  Given the extreme toxicity of radiation, if the radioisotopes found in tobacco were delivering highly concentrated radiation doses to the lung cells, they would kill the cells rather than cause cancer. Instead, levels of radiation distributed throughout the lungs over an extended period of time is far more harmful than short-term, concentrated doses. In other words, contrary to what we might assume, radioactivity that is merely "warm" is sometimes more dangerous than that which is "hot".

 Scientists who have conducted research confirming the radioactive componets of tobacco smoke include Dr. Edward P Radford Jr., former chairman of the prestigious Biological Effects of Ionizing Radiation Committee (Beir) of the National Academy of Sciences; Dr. Vilma R. Hunt of the Environmental Protection Agency; Dr. Edward Martell, a senior radiochemist with the National Center for Atmospheric Research; and Dr. John B. Little, chair of cancer cell biology at Harvard School of Public Health. Their evidence, presented in the New England Journal of Medicine, Science, American Scientist, and other publications, has never been refuted. 

Scientists with whom I spoke at the National Academy of Sciences lamented that the important link among tobacco, radioactivity and cancer has been tragically "passed over". Some researchers suggested a cover-up that might be economically motivated. If the general public becomes aware of the risks of low-dose radiation, the safe radiation exposure threshold might have to be lowered. Smokers who have cancer would have concrete proof of the mechanism that causes cancer, further establishing the tobacco industry's culpability. In other words, both the nuclear and tobacco industies would be more clearly liable for the damage to American health. 

Additional evidence can be found in:

Edward P. Radford Jr. and Vilma R. Hunt, "Polonium-210: A Volatile Radioelement in Cigarettes," Science 143 (Jan. 17, 1964): 247-49

Edward P. Radford Jr. and Vilma R. Hunt "Cigarettes and Polonium-210," Science 144 (April 24, 1964): 366-67

Edward P. Radford Jr. and Vilma R. Hunt and John B. Little, "Carcinogenicity of Tobacco-Smoke Constituents," Science 165 (July 18, 1969): 312

Edward A. Martell, "Tobacco Radioactivity and Cancer in Smokers", American Scientist 63 (July-August 1975): 404-12

Edward P. Radford and Edward A. Martell, "Polonium-210: Lead 210 Ratios as n Index of Residence Times of Insoluble Particles from Cigarette Smoke in Bronchial Epithelium," in Inhaled Particles, vol. 4, ed. W.H. Walton (Oxford, U.K.: Pergamon Press, 1977), 567-81.

Michael Castleman, "Are Cigarettes Radioactive?" Medical Self-Care 10 (fall 1980):20-23 


Taken from: "Honoring the Medicine - the Essential Guide to Native American Healing", by Kennith Cohen, 2003, One World/Ballentine Books, NY, pp 276-279, 379  


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: 5 Israeli spies in van filming 9/11 & cheering!!!!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 799898 
06 Feb 2004 08:39:18
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LaRouche - a long history of lying about the drug war and hating jews.

Type in "antisemite" and Lyndon LaRouche into Google and see what I mean.

Do you anti-jew folks hold any opinions that weren't derived from right-wing racists nuts? 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: 'Jewish Soap'Still Lurking In Museum Brochure
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 799896 
06 Feb 2004 08:30:34
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"Governments lie, just like ALL the top politicians."

I know you folks think the death camps were all created on a Hollywood set, but it's actually regular people - survivors of WW2 - thousands of them - that give us the gas chamber evidence. And the remaining chambers themselves.

Ya'll have to claim that thousands of regular people got together right before the war ended to get their stories straight, and then all went about lying about what the Germans did in more or less the same way.

It's easy to see why you have no evidence to back up your silly claims - no one would want to put their real name behind such flimsy, Nazi-like opinions.

Yall should go to theNazisneverkilledanybody.com and leave the people here to talk about Terrorism and the Drugwar. 

I'm sure the karma you get from all of this energy spent lying and scapegoating will take care of you in some way or another.

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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: 'Jewish Soap'Still Lurking In Museum Brochure
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 799396 
05 Feb 2004 20:34:08
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Everything Nizkor says is backed up by the film "Night and Fog" (where you see the tank with dead humans in it - except for all the heads which are in a bucket nearby).

Now that we have proven the soap thing, you go on to "discredit" the soap evidence with a joke 9-11 story making fun of "revisionists"?

Sorry, won't work. History 2 Abby 0.

 


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Counter-Counterspin
More radioactivity debate!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 798717 
05 Feb 2004 11:31:42
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Dear Patrick,


Thank you for your respectful and thoughtful letter.



"I was struck by a statement you made in CC 46, The Radioactivity Debate, in your reply to Noucetta Kehdi. You stated that "researchers have induced cancer in animal test subjects that inhaled polonium 210 but were unable to cause cancer through the inhalation of any of the non-radioactive chemical carcinogens found in tobacco . . ."

If this statement has been proven to be incorrect, a simple citation of the more recent study or studies that disprove it would help to correct the record. As far as I know, nobody has offered any specific study to disprove this. If you have such a study, please let me know.







"Presumably you are referring to the Yuille et al article in your original column? If so, you are making an exceedingly weak argument. First, that article is now 37 years old, and literally thousands of research papers of the chemical composition of tobacco smoke and tobacco-related carcinogenesis have appeared since then. Second, few of the chemical carcinogens in tobacco smoke had even been *identified* in 1967, much less adequately tested using animal models,"

What is true in animal models may not be true for humans. I only mentioned the "Yuille" study because it differentiated between skin and airborn tests, and that it backed-up what humans have been experiencing in terms of radioactive tobacco cancer - there were few tobacco-related lung cancers before the mass use of chemical ferts, and there seems to be a temporal connection between the increase in chem ferts and an increase in tobacco and lung cancer.





".... either orally or via inhalation. Cannabis enthusiasts rightly fault prohitionists when they seletively cite outdated or subsequently refuted research, yet this example is just as misleading."

Again, if you have studies that directly refute that, please post them to me.




"Third, contrary to what you argue, it is just plain false that none of the chemical carcinogens in tobacco smoke have been shown to be inhalational carcinogens in animal studies (most of the carcinogens in tobacco smoke are created by combustion). To take one example, the PAH (polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon) benzo[a]pyrene, which is a chemical carcingon present in both tobacco and cannabis smoke, caused respiratory tract cancers in 35% of Syrian Golden Hamsters in long-term exposure studies (using doses far higher than that present in tobacco/cannabis smoke, as is normally the case with such rodent toxicological studies) (e.g. Pauluhn et al, 1985; Thyssen et al, 1981)."

Is this a study that took into account both radiation and "airborne" application? Is this study on-line or in a place where I could easily access it?





"What's more, benzo[a]pyrene has been shown to preferentially cause so-called G>T DNA base-pair transversions in the tumour suppressor gene P53, which are very common in human tobacco-related lung tumors but much more rare in other cancers (Yoon et al, 2001; Pfeifer et al, 2002). Thus there is good evidence linking particular carcinogens in tobacco smoke to mutational profile often observed in tobacco-associated cancers."

How did they differentiate between cancern caused by the radioactivity and cancer caused by the benzo[a]pyrene? Were these tests airborn smoke?



 


"And of course, PAH's and many other tobacco-smoke carcinogens have been shown to be carcinogenic in animal models when they have been directly applied to respiratory tract tissue or administered orally or by intraperitoneal injection."

I always tell everyone not to apply cannabis tars to their lungs using sticks, pills or needles. At this point I must fall back on human experience. Why has the "benzo[a]pyrene" not caused a single case of human cannabis-related lung cancer in 6000 years of use?





 


"IMHO, there should be little doubt that chemical carcinogens, rather than Po from apatite, play the major role in tobacco-associated cancers."

Little doubt? Explain the lack of cancer in non-laboratory humans, then. Remeber, some people smoke the stuff like it was going out of style, but not one "marijuana-only" smoker has ever, ever, ever gone on to get lung cancer. I don't understand how you can have "little doubt" and take that glaring statistic into account at the same time.

You seem to forget that the government has spent millions of dollars trying to tell us that cannabis is inherently bad for us, and yet has failed to find a single case of marijuana-only cancer. It's not supprising they shout "benzo[a]pyrene" as much as possible because out of all the things tested on animals from cannabis, it hurts the most. But only (I believe) when it is applied in the most unnatural of doses in the most unnatural of ways. Please prove me wrong.








"By all means, though, I am interested in contrary evidence, and if you are aware of any good evidence associating Po in tobacco with tobacco-associated cancers, please email the references to me."

Well, have you read the other articles I have written on the subject? The info regarding fertilizer use is in both:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2673.html

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2221.html

Here is a neat show I did on PTV about how to test for radioactivity in ferts:

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1153.html


As far as I know, that's all the material published on the issue. I am always collecting more information, so if you can help in that department, I would be very happy.




"The evidence hitherto presented in the two CC columns is not terribly convincing, to me. For instance, are there animal studies showing that inhalation of Po produces cancers at all the tobacco-associated cancer sites?"

There are human studies, which I find more interesting.

http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Drugs/THC/Health/cancer.rad.html

Levels of Po-210 were measured in cigarette smoke by Radford and Hunt (2) and in the bronchial epithelium of smokers and nonsmokers by Little et al. (3) After inhalation, ciliary action causes the insoluble radioactive particles to accumulate at the bifurcation of segmental bronchi, a common site of origin of bronchogenic carcinomas. 


 



"Can these tumours be produced at Po doses analogous to those recieved by human tobacco smokers? Are the mutational profiles produced in these animal or in vitro models consistent with the mutational profiles observed in tumours of human smokers (e.g. overrepresentation of G>T transversions in P53)?"

Sorry, I'm a layman, you'll have to translate into common english for me.





"Is the carcinogenicity of tobacco tar correlated with its radioactivity?"

That seems reasonable. Does the following answer your question?

In a person smoking 1 1/2 packs of cigarettes per day, the radiation dose to the bronchial epithelium in areas of bifurcation is 8000 mrem per year -- the equivalent of the dose to the skin from 300 x-ray films of the chest per year. This figure is comparable to total-body exposure to natural background radiation containing 80 mrem per year in someone living in the Boston area. 

http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Drugs/THC/Health/cancer.rad.html


 Read the above links fully - especially the last one which was published in the 1980's in the NEJM - and you tell me.



 


"Is the carcinogenicity of tobacco tar impacted by type of fertilizer used to grow the tobacco?"

Another reasonable guess. We know the radioactivity is impacted by the type of fert:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2673.html





 


"It should be relatively easy to design experiments that would reveal whether and to what extent Po contributes to the carcinogenicity of tobacco smoke and tar."


Please do so, and I can steer other interested parties in that direction.




 
"In passing, I should point out that I don't believe that cannabis use is a significant risk factor for lung cancer, since it is typically consumed at far lower doses than is tobacco."

Due to the fact that there are exceptions to that rule who STILL don't get lung cancer, I prefer to believe that it is the dose of radiation, not the dose of tar, which is the most important factor. 





 "Nevertheless, it is perfectly clear that while cannabis itself, and particularly THC, are not carcinogenic (in fact, THC has an anti-tumor effect at very high doses), combustion of cannabis results in production of some of the same carcinogens found in tobacco smoke, including benzo[a]pyrene. Cannabis smoke is mutagenic in in vitro tests, and cannabis tar is carcinogenic in mouse skin test (in which cannabis tar is painted onto the skin). There are case-control epidemiological studies linking cannabis use to increased lung and head-and-neck cancer risk, but these are inconsistent."



Most people do not realize, nor are the media told, that a pre-cancerous lesion is any tissue abnormality; abrasion, eruption, or redness. Unlike the radioactive lesions caused by tobacco, the THC-related lesions contain no radioactivity. 


We asked Tashkin how many people had gone on to get lung cancer in these studies -- or any other studies on long-term smokers like Rastas, Coptics, etc.? 


Dr. Tashkin, sitting his UCLA laboratory, looked at me and said, "Well, that's the strange part. So far no one we've studied has gone on to get lung cancer." 


"Was this reported to the press in the article?" 


"Well, it's in the article," Dr. Tashkin said in passing, "but no one in the press even asked. They just assumed the worst." 

http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/hemp/prohibition/no-clothes.html





 "I don't doubt though that if cannabis smokers smoked as much cannabis as tobacco smokers smoked tobacco, that cannabis smoking would then by significantly associated with lung and other cancers.

Respectfully,
Patrick Spears

Refs

Pauluhn et al, 1985. Long-term inhalation study with benzo[a]pyrene and SO2 in Syrian golden hamsters. Exp. Pathol., 28,31.

Pfeifer et al, 2002. Tobacco smoke carcinogens, DNA damage and p53 mutations in smoking-associated cancers. Oncogene, 21, 7435â?"7451.

Thyssen et al, 1981. Inhalation studies with benzo[a]pyrene in Syrian golden hamsters. J. Natl. Cancer Inst., 66, 575.

Yoon et al, 2001. Methylated CpG Dinucleotides Are the Preferential Targets for G-to-T Transversion Mutations Induced by Benzo[a]pyrene Diol Epoxide in Mammalian Cells. Cancer Research 61, 7110-7117.

Yuille et al, 1967. Lung cancer following Pb210 inhalation in rats.Radiation Res 31:760-774."


 
 




I feel you are wrong. I smoke more cannabis than many tobacco smokers smoke tobacco, I know many other morning-noon&night puffers, I even know some dealers who have to do quality-control testing all day long.....none of us are in the Cancer ward. If we did get cancer, the #1 suspect would be the radioactive ferts, not the benzo[a]pyrene. That's what the above evidence tells me.
    
Respectfully,

David Malmo-Levine
www.potshotzine.com
www.cannabisculture.com

Always take time out to stop and smoke the flowers! 


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Re: Who is stealing who's cred?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 798626 
05 Feb 2004 10:16:23
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"David, only I have money for newspaper ads,"

You're the only one with enough to buy a full page ad. If we put the ad on a website and advertize the website in a smaller ad, and everyone on the CCC and these forums kicks down a little, we will have enough for our purposes.

We can take out five small ads in five newspapers across Canada and it would do the job.







"... and I am booked up supporting the NDP, Kucinich, the Alaska Initiative, the Michigan initiative, plus financing Hilary to restify to health Canada, plus I'll be in Ottawa lobbying the various MP's a week before any House vote on this awful Bill C-38."

I understand your money is busy right now. It's a good thing the marijuana movement is more than just Marc Emery. I have five hundred dollars to go to the ad, and I'm going to ask other big-time movers and shakers in the movement to match me.
 
 



"If you are planning to provide the money for these ads (I am happy you have become a businessman), great, but otherwise, so far your only conccrete suggestion is the 'silly' factor pie suggestion."

You don't like the "plant-in"? Worked for Woody. Besides, the sillest idea suggested was not to throw a pie at this guy, it was to wait for him to do an interview with P-TV.





 "I don't really see where you actually describe any legitimate activism that will effect any positive change in Parliament's voting on Bill 38."

If the public knows that this guy is "Scammer of the year", at least we activists will not have AGAIN helped the liberals justify their SECOND "fake-decrim/real crackdown". 

Maybe nothing can stop the Liberals pushing decrim through - but it is the role of the genuine activist to do everything they can to stop this last step towards cultural genocide before we are lost in a sea of tickets and treatment and mandatory minimums.

I also have a stake in making sure everyone knew exactly how the Supreme Court weasled their way out of a just decision. I thought you did too.

I hope that this conversation can evolve into cooperation between us, rather than the pissing match you and Chris keep steering it into.

 


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Re: Who is stealing who's cred?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 797998 
04 Feb 2004 21:53:39
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I will try and paint a picture of a legal environment for the ad.

I think everyone should put their thinking caps on and come up with a "dignified stunt" that won't take away our credability but will send a strong message that Canadian pot activists strongly oppose decrim. I'm sure that the combined force of all of our imaginations can come up with an idea that will satisfy everyone - or at least everyone who still remains in the conversation. 


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Re: Who is stealing who's cred?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 797943 
04 Feb 2004 21:05:45
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"Would you consider adding a section outlining how a regulated/freed environment would work?"

Kurt from the BCCLA is organizing a conference on that topic. Marc is funding it. I will mention it in the "upcoming activist events" section.

Don't worry about being fuct for money. I'll write a list of things to do at the end - most of which won't involve money.


 


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Re: Who is stealing who's cred?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 797890 
04 Feb 2004 20:11:52
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I'm glad someone else besides me is worried about decrim and wants to do something about it.

I'm working on an ad that will appear on a website that our community could put in all the newspapers. It will address the Supreme Court decision, upcoming decrim, and what cannabis activists are doing this year (open-air marketplace during the Van rallies?) I still think a seperate action is required to distance pot activists from decrim and the justice minister. It doesn't have to be a pie or a plant-in, but it should be "unignorable". 

I'm open to suggestions. 

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Re: 'Jewish Soap'Still Lurking In Museum Brochure
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 797808 
04 Feb 2004 19:02:45
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Have you got any proof that your theory is true, or is just another "hunch"?

This forum should be "evidence only" - it would cut down the signal to noise ratio considerably.

 


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Re: 'Jewish Soap'Still Lurking In Museum Brochure
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 797807 
04 Feb 2004 19:01:30
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"there basicaly all jewish zionist banks how many charts and graphs do you want.."

Just one that's accurate and from someone other than Hitler Youth.






"....hang out on wall street..ask anybody..zionist funded both sides..."

Maybe in your circle of friends, but nobody I know personally shares your delusions.





"....just the poor people lost in the second world war..and the loseing sides poppets were all hung after the war..some people survived the death camps.. others survived the bombs by moonlight...the second world war was a holocaust ...unfortunatly the holocaust industry only recognizes the jewish god believers.or people related to that religious group..the rest of humanity are just souless sheep that don't matter...thats the part that bugs me... "

Actually, nobody denies that Gypsies died "en mass" so they don't constantly have to raise the issue. Nobody denies the Nazi's slaughtered 20 million Russians so they don't have to raise the issue. If you and people like you would bother to base your arguments on the evidence instead of your "hunches" and "ask anyone", we could arrive at a consensus on the facts and the issue would be dropped.



Come back when you can back up what you say, Abby. Your opinion is just a waste  of cyberspace.


 


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Who is stealing who's cred?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 797794 
04 Feb 2004 18:50:58
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"Researchers who have never risked arrest to create Vansterdam should not dismiss the front line so quick -"

They shouldn't. That wasn't retoric, that was very real. Ask Scotty or Ian or anyone working there in the 1990's what a battle it was. You don't appreciate the freedom you constantly enjoy and benefit from because you were not around fighting for it. If you truly understood the constant and sustained the battle for W.Hastings was, you wouldn't be insulting those that did the hard work.



"I will get a lawyer, initiate a religious defense (which has always been my plan) and hold a press conference. Then I will utalize Pot Tv as best as I can to draw attention to the case and give my best shot at liberating the tree of Life. It would be a "high honour"." 

You planning on doing all that before the decrim bill? Sounds like you don't have a response for a decrim bill other than "we're waiting for an interview" while dismissing anything that might ruin the "credability" (which only remains credible so long as it continues to act in the interests of the viewers).



"As for not having risked anything, I stand to lose my wife and the mother of my child should we go with this Americanized decrim bill........"

There is a difference between "standing to lose" something and "risking" something. We all stand to lose from decrim, but few risk arrest to oppose decrim. Anyone can stand behind the camera, but few risk jail ahead of time to prevent the mass arrests. 

Once they have the power to mass arrest, the all further challenges can be ignored while they ticket us out of existance. This very well may be their final move before "checkmate" - a Singapore-style decrim - and you're only concerned with "credability". That's wrong.







 "Having a man in a pot leaf decorated Dr. Seus hat slam a pie in the face of the justic e minister on prime time news would probably be enough of a loss in credibility for the movement in public opinion that her situatation would be further jeopordized."

This coming from a pot priest? What if they don't treat YOUR brand of cannabis activism - the pot church - with dignity? What makes you think you'll get treated more fairly than the East-Coast church of the Universe? The brothers never get any "dignity" in the mainstream media, even though they are dignified in real life. You very well might get treated the same way.






"Further, Dude I was organizing cannabis rallies in Vancouver and Victoria years before you and others arived"

Never questioned. Much appreciated. Just think you're making a mistake about decrim and who is stealing who's credability.

I will remind you, once again, of the quote from the last Liberal Co-option project - Bill C-7. "Bill to eliminate Criminal Records". Front page of the Vancouver Sun. "They have done the minimum to satisfy complaints" says Dana Larsen. He meant well. You mean well. But Dana made a mistake to endorse C-7 because it didn't eliminate Crimnal Records and it increased police powers to search and seize. They fooled cannabis activists once. Again, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, why can we not learn from our mistakes?






".... ask Dana Larsen who had me speaking on hemp as early as 19991 at SFU. And this from the biggest red neck logger local in Western Canada. Your rallies, are just that, "your' rallies, just you hooting and hollering and never creating a good speakers line-up."

I've never had a fraction of the budget you get for PTV or Entheogenisis for the rallies. If I got half of what you got for that, I would be able to put more speakers up at the rally. If you feel you can do better with the budget, why don't you suggest a better one? Do you know how much the posters and music costs? The banners and flags? Have you ever enquired about the budget or gave advice about the speakers? No.




 "As for suporting the NDP... I sugested and lined up the Pot Tv interviews"

Never questioned and much appreciated. The Liberals, however, are not the NDP. You can't interview them into ethical behavior.






" and I sugested the pot TV NDP adds to Jack Layton in person...... so say what? And this attack from a self proclaimed anarchist..... gee David are you joining the NDP?"

I'll hold my nose and vote for anyone who is helping to free the farmers from having bosses and putting the chemical companies out of business. The NDP is a smart vote for the anarchists these days, as they represent the best chance of humans evolving to a power-sharing balance. But of course, I do more than vote, as do we all.






"As for the situation with this "Americanized" decrim bill, don't worry, Pot TV will effectively deal with it and our response heard via the mainstream media. But we won't have any clowns representing us. My conversation with you has come to a close."

That last explaination....."don't worry...we managers have it under control....but don't ask us managers any more questions" is the disapointing and frustrating part of working with you. I appreciate the fact that you paved the way for the pot movement to exist, but your seniority has blinded you to a valid concern about not letting the Liberals steal the pot movement's credability to push their "fake-decrim real-crackdown" plans through .... AGAIN. You weren't around for it last time. I was. That was 1995-1996. I wrote about it at the time. I don't want to see us making the same mistake again, and I will continue to raise the question "what are we going to do about decrim" until I am either banished from these forums ... or until someone says "lets work on a plan together".

I'm hoping for the latter. I'm saddened that you've "ended" the conversation because I was still hoping that YOU would work with me on a "dignified" AND "unignorable" action.

  


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Re: Any word on the interview for Pot TV?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 797680 
04 Feb 2004 16:51:39
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"So who is stealing whose credibility? Believe me, Pot TV has already got more positive mileage out of Cotler's statement than he has, and we will get plenty more before all is said and done. So much better than a pie in the face, because at www.pot-tv.net we are through "clowning" around and are out to make effective change. The funny hats and pies in the face are things of the past, the cannabis movement is growing up and going mainstream."


Do you even care about the new decrim bill, or our "help" in legitimizing it? When we're going to mandatory treatment for unpaid fines and growers are going to jail for mandatory minimums, it will be little consolation that we "stole their credability."

I can't believe the Justice minister can claim "Man of the Year" title for his role in finally figuring out how to get us to pay for our own genocide, and PTV is going to bask in the credibility given to them by the liberal government instead of use it as an opportunity to distance itself from decrim and the liberals and instead support the NDP fully.

It boggles the mind. I just can't get my head around it. Am I the only one?

Nobody would have minded if someone gave Hitler a pie in the face right before he destroyed the jews .... I feel some people here aren't taking the "mandatory treatment" part of the decrim bill as seriously as they should be.

It's the last step before mass arrests. Why are we helping them destroy us?

And I only suggested a pie in the face so everyone would know that we disagree with decrim. I also suggested a plant-in but that was dismissed as "vandalism" or something like that. How much are we willing to risk for "Liberal party credability"?

So I ask again, is "we stole the liberals credability" the only response to the Liberals using PTV's good name to sell their "decrim/genocide"? Seems like not enough to me. It seems too much like "selling out" to be called "growing up".

It seems like we're helping them with "decrim" now just like we helped them with Bill C-7 back in 1995. Will we ever learn from our mistakes?

Diss the funny hats if you like, but the kids in the funny hats got busted a few dozen times so that the people of 300 W. Hastings block can enjoy their relatively hassle-free existence. Researchers who have never risked arrest to create Vansterdam should not dismiss the front line so quick - what will you do on raid day if you have banished all the funny hat folk? The suit-and-tie crowd seldom - if ever - gets in the way of the man.

If anyone responds to this - enough with the personal attacks and keep to the concerns raised. I have no personal beef with anybody but I won't be shamed or dissed into not dealing with our communities contribution to decrim passing.

 


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Re: Wall Street Pot: the "stalk exchange"
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 797256 
04 Feb 2004 09:36:26
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I'm thinking that 1) unless they go for organic certification, and 2) unless we actually hear reports from happy customers, it looks to me like a lot of Merlin Project-esque hot-air. Lots of folks come on board late with lots of talk.

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1013.html 


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Re: Wall Street Pot: the "stalk exchange"
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 797057 
04 Feb 2004 03:58:07
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"We are currently finalizing our growing operations."
- Warren B. Eugene

http://www.amigula.com

"Exclusive to Medical Cannabis Inc/Amigula Inc,
Gray Mist is unpressed resin crystals or "kief".
With over 50% THC content, this product maximizes
potency while minimzing the amount of harmful tars
that must be smoked for therapeutic benefit."

see: http://www.amigula.com/products.html
 


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Wall Street Pot: the "stalk exchange"
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 797055 
04 Feb 2004 03:55:27
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  http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/February2004/03/c5974.html

Attention Business/News Editors: 


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    NEW YORK, Feb. 3 /CNW/ - Amigula Inc, OTC: AMJL - has completed the
purchase of 51% of Medical Cannabis Inc. and announces their plans to file as
a reporting issuer once again. The company plans to list on a major exchange
beginning with an application for a listing on the American Stock Exchange
(AMEX) as well as several European exchanges.
    "I believe the public will support the company in the stock market. It
would be a favorable way to participate in an often - considered imaginative
endeavor. What is unique about this business proposal is that as a public
company everyone now has a legal way to potentially make money in a budding
medical marijuana industry," comments, Warren B. Eugene, President - Amigula
Inc.
    The company views the current prohibition of marijuana as similar to that
of alcohol, beer and tobacco. "We will lobby the government for bonded taxed
marijuana warehouses." says Eugene.
    Forbes Magazine recently reported in November 2003 that the controversial
plant holds an important place in world history and culture, not to mention
business. Canada's marijuana crop is estimated at $4 billion to $7 billion. If
it were controlled by a single company, it would be larger than Canada's oil
and gas business and agricultural industries.
    On October 7, 2003 the Ontario Superior Court ruled that business and
individuals be allowed to grow and supply medical marijuana, effectively
relieving the Canadian government of its often criticized and fairly
unsuccessful attempts.
    Health Canada "permitted persons" (exemptees) can now pay us to grow
marijuana for them. The ruling makes it easier for sick people to get
marijuana by allowing them easier access - more choice and a fair price.
    Health Canada estimates that 400,000 Canadians may require medicinal
cannabis. We plan to capture app. 10% of the market in Canada - that's 40,000
patients @ an average of $1000 dollars per patient, per year. The cost to
produce marijuana is app. $150 dollars per pound. The profit margins are very
large without taking advantage of ill people. It's a well-considered and
responsible business model.
    In October 2003, the United States Supreme Court lifted the federal ban
of medical marijuana and prosecution of doctors. "This may open the doors to a
larger international market for our company," says Eugene.
    "We have improved the delivery, packaging and the costs," states Eugene.
    Our company has a mandate to develop and improve the medical marijuana
business worldwide.
    We are on the acquisition and consolidation trail. This is a fast growing
new industry and we have enjoyed the first mover - early adoptee advantage.
    The Canadian government, as of February 2004, may seek to approve Bill C-
38 or a derivative/variation of that Bill. The Bill insures Canadians have the
right to possess up to 15 grams of non-medical marijuana.
    "We anticipate a favorable outcome. It would make good economic and
political sense to regulate and tax marijuana as they do tobacco and alcohol.
There is a huge untapped tax base available to pay down deficits, to properly
fund social initiatives such as the ailing school system, the distraught
medical system, social insurance, homelessness, the arts, sports, and
contribute to the overall good of Canadians. $900 million per year in tax
revenue may be realized", says Hilton P. Mijovick, company spokesperson.
    "Capitalism and Wall Street are now endorsing a fully legal legitimate
Canadian Marijuana company," Says Mijovick.
    "The sky is the limit for our company". The real business - is promoting
medical cannabis to doctors and hospitals and their patients. Our company is
about to launch a large scale public awareness ad campaign across Canada. Our
company assists individuals with their applications for this therapy with
Health Canada. The public may sign an advance purchase form on our web site at
www.amigula.com and apply to health Canada. If Health Canada gives people
permission to have medical marijuana - then we will have it available for
them. says Warren Eugene.
    The highest court in SAN FRANCISCO ruled in December 2003 - that personal
cultivation and use of medical marijuana in a state that permits such
activities can be outside the control of federal authorities.
    The decision by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals directly affects
our company's opportunity to expand. We are seeking acquisitions.

    CONTACT: Amigula Inc., www.amigula.com, Warren B. Eugene, (416) 838-3600
 


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Re: 'Jewish Soap'Still Lurking In Museum Brochure
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 797048 
04 Feb 2004 03:36:57
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Leave it to Abby to retort with no sources and by picking out the one jewish name out of a diagram with many non-jewish names to choose from.

Sorry, the "Fed" was run mostly by non-Rothchild, non-jewish bankers. The best sources indicate that to be true. Start by reading "The Creature from Jeckyl Island". You have no good sources, as usual. 


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Re: 'Jewish Soap'Still Lurking In Museum Brochure
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 797021 
04 Feb 2004 02:20:00
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http://www.contreloubli.ch/manuscrit.html



http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_02.htm






http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/imint/holocaust.htm


 


http://www.hinifoto.de/na/

[image]http://www.arbeiterfotografie.com/galerie/reportage/2001-09-17-frankfurt-ig-farben/Dscn6724.jpg[image]



http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chart2-1.htm


http://www.candles-museum.com/bayer_acknowledgement.htm

"Without I.G.?s immense productive facilities, its far-reaching research, varied technical experience and overall concentration of economic power, Germany would not have been in a position to start its aggressive war in September 1939." 

The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben by Joseph Borkin, published by The Free Press, (1978) 


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Current News and Events
Any word on the interview for Pot TV?
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 797001 
04 Feb 2004 01:36:18
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I would hate to think that the guy who put in "Mandatory Treatment for repeat offenders" (Hedy Fry let us know the Liberal plan for repeat offenders) and Mandatory minimums for growers got away with calling himself "man of the year".

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2302.html

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2425.html


 What if PTV doesn't get the interview it wants? What if he gives the interview but just shoves this down our throats anyway? Is there a plan B for this "Man of the Year" guy?

I would hate to see the Liberals steal activist approval for their "pre-election punishment-increasement" pretending to be 'no criminal records'.
  
Twice in a row (Bill C-8 too).

With our help both times. 

Anything but that. 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re:  gas chamber horror of North Korea's gulag
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 796237 
03 Feb 2004 11:57:22
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"Someone needs to go in and get that fucker..."

Your sentiment is understandable, but still ridiculous ... as those with the power to do that probably gave or sold NK the gas in the first place - or golf with those that sold it to him. Still, with an election coming up, Bush just might resort to the one thing that gets him votes - killing people.  

Fuck, just when I was blessing the human race for at least not gassing people en mass. Here it is again.    


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re:  gas chamber horror of North Korea's gulag
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 796231 
03 Feb 2004 11:51:11
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http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/world/dprk/dprk-hoeryong-camp.htm

Omestad, Thomas. "Gulag Nation". US News and World Reports June 23, 2003. Vol 13 No.22: p 12-17 

"Exposed--Kim's Slave Camps Pyongyang's infamous slave-labour ".Far Eastern Economic Review December 12, 2002 


 


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Current News and Events
Re: The sobering truth
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 796222 
03 Feb 2004 11:39:48
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I'm talking about what should be too. I just think it's important to understand right and left in useful terms. 

One of my fave quotes on the subject is from Bakunin: 

"Freedom without socialism is privledge and injustice. Socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality."    


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: 'Jewish Soap'Still Lurking In Museum Brochure
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 795852 
03 Feb 2004 00:08:33
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Current News and Events
Cannabis news from a German perspective
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 795703 
02 Feb 2004 22:35:59
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>> * UK: Relaxed cannabis law took effect
>> * UK/Switzerland: Death was not caused by cannabis
>> * Science: THC reinforced the anti-emetic effects of ondansetron
>> in animal study
>>
>> 1.
>>
>> UK: Relaxed cannabis law took effect
>>
>> The new British cannabis law took effect on 29 January. The
>> drug has been downgraded to the same status as anabolic steroids
>> and anti-depressants. This means that cannabis possession will no
>> longer lead to arrest in most cases. According to a new poll of
>> 2,500 Britons 52 percent said they support reclassification.
>>
>> Under the new law, cannabis possession will be illegal but will
>> "ordinarily not be an arrestable offence".  Instead, police will
>> usually give a warning and the drug will be confiscated. Under
>> certain circumstances cannabis use will still lead to arrest, among
>> them smoking the drug in public and possession of the drug inside
>> or near places where there are children.
>>
>> Several medical groups warned that the government's decision to
>> downgrade cannabis could endanger public health. Dr. Peter
>> Maguire of the British Medical Association said: "The BMA is
>> extremely concerned that the public might think that
>> reclassification equals safe. It does not. Chronic cannabis smoking
>> increases the risk of heart disease, lung cancer, bronchitis and
>> emphysema."
>>
>> But Sir Michael Rawlins, chairman of the Advisory Council on the
>> Misuse of Drugs, said on 26 January that it was time to consider
>> whether to go further. He said his members were investigating
>> new ways of measuring the relative harmfulness of all illegal
>> drugs.
>>
>> (Sources: The Guardian of 27 January 2004, Western Gazette of
>> 29 January 2004)
>>
>> 2.
>>
>> UK/Switzerland: Death was not caused by cannabis
>>
>> On 20 January 2004 the newspaper Daily Telegraph reported that
>> cannabis was blamed as cause of death of a 36 year old British
>> man. However, a review of the toxicological data and autopsy
>> report by a Swiss expert revealed that there is no reason to
>> assume that the sudden death of Lee Maisey in August 2003 was
>> due to cannabis.
>>
>> Mr Maisey smoked six cannabis cigarettes a day for 11 years,
>> which was reported in some newspapers to be "excessive". He
>> had complained of a headache on 22 August last year and was
>> found dead at his home next morning. Michael Howells, the local
>> coroner, who led the investigation of the death cause, said Mr
>> Maisey was free from disease and had not drunk alcohol for at
>> least 48 hours. "High levels of cannabinoids" had been found in his
>> blood. The report led to new warnings about the dangers of the
>> drug. Dr. John Henry, a professor of toxicology at Imperial
>> College, London, said: "I have not seen anything like this before. 
>> It corrects the argument that cannabis cannot kill anybody."
>>
>> The Federal Health Ministry of Switzerland asked Dr. Rudolf
>> Brenneisen, a professor at the department for clinical research at
>> the University of Bern, to review the data of this case. Dr.
>> Brenneisen said that the data of the toxicological analysis and
>> collected by autopsy were "scanty and not conclusive" and that
>> the conclusion death by cannabis intoxication was "not legitimate".
>>
>> According to the toxicological analysis of a British laboratory
>> (Forensic Alliance) Mr Maisey's blood contained 130 nanograms
>> per milliliter (ng/ml) of the THC metabolite THC-COOH. THC
>> could not be detected due to analytical problems. Dr. Franjo
>> Grotenhermen of the nova-Institute in Cologne said: "A
>> concentration of 130 ng/ml THC-COOH in blood is a moderate
>> concentration, which may be observed some hours after the use
>> of one or two joints. Heavy regular use of cannabis easily results
>> in THC-COOH concentrations of above 500 ng/ml. Many people
>> use much more cannabis than Mr Maisey did, without any
>> negative consequences."
>>
>> (Sources: Daily Telegraph of 20 January 2004, Neue Zuericher
>> Zeitung of 28 January 2004, personal communications)
>>
>> 3.
>>
>> Science: THC reinforced the anti-emetic effects of ondansetron in
>> animal study
>>
>> The 5-HT3 antagonists, such as ondansetron, are regarded as the
>> most effective drugs to treat cancer chemotherapy induced
>> nausea and vomiting. The natural cannabinoids THC and CBD
>> (cannabidiol) are also known to inhibit these symptoms. The
>> relative and combined effectiveness of these drugs in suppressing
>> vomiting produced by cisplatin was investigated in shrews.
>> Cisplatin is a chemotherapeutic agent that causes severe emesis.
>>
>> Researchers of the Wilfrid Laurier University in Waterloo,
>> Canada, demonstrated that ondansetron and THC both dose-
>> dependently suppressed cisplatin-induced vomiting and retching in
>> shrews. Furthermore, a combined pre-treatment of doses of the
>> two drugs that
>> were ineffective alone completely suppressed vomiting and
>> retching. CBD produced
>> a biphasic effect, suppressing vomiting at low doses and
>> increasing it at high doses.
>>
>> In two earlier clinical studies by Artim and DiBella (1983) and
>> Lane and colleagues (1991) THC increased the anti-emetic effect
>> of prochlorperazine in humans who underwent chemotherapy.
>> The new animal study shows that cannabinoids may help to
>> suppress nausea and vomiting that are not controlled by 5-HT3
>> antagonists alone.
>>
>> (Source: Kwiatkowska M, Parker LA, Burton P, Mechoulam R.
>> A comparative analysis of the potential of cannabinoids and
>> ondansetron to suppress cisplatin-induced emesis in the Suncus
>> murinus (house musk shrew). Psychopharmacology (Berl) 2004
>> Jan 22, [electronic publication ahead of print])
>>
>> 4.
>>
>> News in brief
>>
>> ***UK: Cannabis medicine available in summer
>> The cannabis based medication developed by GW
>> Pharmaceuticals is expected to be approved for sale in Britain in
>> spring. Alan Macfarlane, a chief inspector at the Home Office,
>> said the results of the clinical trials for Sativex looked promising.
>> "I'm hoping it will be dealt with in the next two to three months,
>> and I will be surprised if it doesn't succeed," he said. GW
>> Pharmaceuticals hopes to make the medicine available in summer.
>> (Source: New York Times of 27 January 2004)
>>
>> ***Science: Effect of legal status
>> The effect of the legal status and the price of cannabis on
>> frequency of use was investigated by an Australian researcher.
>> He summarized that "decriminalisation is associated with an
>> increase in the prevalence of use by males over the age of 25.
>> There is no evidence that decriminalisation significantly increases
>> participation in marijuana use by either young males or females, or
>> that decriminalisation increases the frequency of use among
>> marijuana users." (Source: Williams J. Health Econ
>> 2004;13(2):123-37)
>>
>> ***Science: Cannabis and dogs
>> The effect of cannabis ingestion by 213 dogs in the years 1998
>> until 2003 was analysed by researchers of the Faculty of
>> Veterinary Medicine in Warsaw, Poland. The amount of cannabis
>> ingested ranged from 0.5 to 90 grams. The lowest dose at which
>> signs of intoxication occurred was 85 milligrams per kilogram of
>> body weight and the highest reported dose was 26.8 grams per
>> kilogram. The signs lasted from 30 min to 96 h. All animals made
>> full recoveries. (Source: Janczyk P, et al. Vet Hum Toxicol
>> 2004;46(1):19-21)
>>
>> ***Science: Cannabis and driving
>> According to research by British scientists a moderate amount of
>> cannabis may actually improve driving performance. A group of
>> 20 drivers aged 21-40 participated in a driving simulator test. Ten
>> of them smoked the equivalent of about half a cannabis cigarette.
>> Subjects under cannabis scored superior than the sober subjects in
>> most of the tasks including reaction time and number of collisions.
>> Simon Smith Wright, the director of the laboratory where the
>> studies were conducted, said: "The results of our test clearly show
>> that a small or moderate amount of cannabis is actually quite
>> beneficial to someone's driving performance." (Source: Evening
>> News of 24 January 2004)
>>
>> ***Canada: Cannabis club of Toronto
>> On 28 January the federal justice department has dropped drug
>> trafficking charges against owners of a Toronto "compassion
>> club," a new victory for unlicensed groups that provide patients
>> access to medical marijuana. The centre was raided by the police
>> in August, 2002. At the time, it was providing cannabis to 1,200
>> patients who had a doctor's prescription. (Source: Toronto Star by
>> 29 January 2004)
>>
>> ***USA: California
>> According to a new state wide survey 75 per cent of Californian
>> voters support the medical use of cannabis, which is considerably
>> more than some years ago. Proposition 215, the Californian
>> marijuana law, passed with only 56 per cent in 1996. Today the
>> acceptance of the law is much higher than 1996. (Source:
>> Sacramento Bee of 30 January 2004)
>>
>> 5.
>>
>> ONE YEAR AGO:
>> - The Netherlands: Soon licenses for cultivation of medical
>> cannabis
>>
>> TWO YEARS AGO:
>> - USA: Second National Clinical Conference on Cannabis
>> Therapeutics
>> - Science: THC not superior to megestrol acetate
>>
>> (More at the IACM-Bulletin archives: http://www.cannabis-
>> med.org/)
>>
>> International Association for Cannabis as Medicine (IACM)
>> Arnimstrasse 1A
>> D-50825 Cologne
>> Germany
>> Phone: 221-9543 9229
>> Fax: 221-130 05 91
>> Email: [email protected]
>> http://www.cannabis-med.org
>>
>> If you want to be deleted from or added to the IACM-Bulletin
>> mailing list or if you want to change your e-mail address please
>> visit
>> www.cannabis-med.org/english/subscribe.htm. You may choose
>> between different languages (English, German, French, Dutch,
>> Italian and Spanish).
>>
>>
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Re: bleh.
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 795683 
02 Feb 2004 22:28:45
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 What an irritating site and cause. So much time and energy wasted on a friggin' plant, which wouldn't garner so much interest by dummy anarchists if it was legal or it didn't get you high (as opposed to its other, real uses that benefit society, not the use that reduces the smoker to an incoherent toolbag)."

Everything that isn't glass or metal could be replaced by cannabis - including half your medicine stash. That's kind of neat, isn't it?








"That guy who called up on Rollye James on 2/2 was really irritating, too."

What are you talking about? Is there a link to that?



 "He whored out crappy sites like this like pot was going out of style."

And so what should people be focused on ... in your opinion?





 "So, my suggestion: move on to something more worthwhile."

Any suggestions?


 

"It's just a plant; it has its uses, but you don't have to act all high-school dropout angsty about it. Sheesh. "

Don't know what you're talking about. Cannabis helps me relax, inspires me to write with humor and style, and will net growers about 150 billion world wide per year when fully legalized and researched. 

Put another way, what part of "total human autonomy and environmental sustainability" didn't you understand?


 


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Conspiracy Corner
Re: I get more confused everyday; Irwin Cotler and
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 795677 
02 Feb 2004 22:21:45
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sounds pritty weak abby. Sounds like you weren't responding to something I actually said, but rather a knee-jerk reaction to any time anyone blames the Nazi's on WW2 and the deathcamps. If I ever brought up "blonde-hair" and "blue-eyes" it's because the evidence suggests that the rulers of the world look just like them - which is different from saying "all blonde-haired people are the devil."

No more "straw man" arguments Abby. For the tenth time ...... just quote directly those you are trying to criticize - this will prevent the "straw man" argument from arising.

Try and keep up, Abby. These forums are for big people, but if you learn to use them properly, you can play here too.

 


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Conspiracy Corner
Re: I get more confused everyday; Irwin Cotler and
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 795625 
02 Feb 2004 21:49:27
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 "...very true .... i did not say they were all nazis."

Nobody said you said that. 

You said (look it up) "zionists=israelis".




 
"Germans .... you depict them all .... as devils"

Not only are you prejudiced against all israelis but you're a liar as well.

 Find me ONE post where I criticize the entire German race. ONE POST.

I saw a great film the other day about the German resistance to Hitler - the White Rose. You should see it sometime.... even blonde-haired, blue eyed Germans knew Hitler and his blond-haired, blue-eyed Nazi beasts were up to no good. I consider myself to be like the Germans of the White Rose resistance, or the Israeli peace & justice activists or the other peace and justice activists at APEC where I got peppersprayed. I belive in telling the truth and exposing lies and standing in the way of unjust people.

Just 'cause I point out the evidence suggests that the worst criminals had blonde hair, it doesn't mean I suggest that all blonde-haired people are criminal. You make weak straw men to fight, Abby.


 


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Current News and Events
US authorities utter death threats & nab grower
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 795589 
02 Feb 2004 21:35:20
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I'm guessing he's a grower - why else would he ask Norml for help? Could be a dealer or smuggler or pot activist, but I'm betting grower. Anyone know anything about him?

To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Ken Driessen's arrest
From: "ken Driessen" <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:19:32 -0600


On January 28, 2004 Ken Driessen was arrested by Immigration Canada and 
handed over to US officials in Bonner's Ferry, Idaho.  They did not return 
his $15,000 bail, nor did they allow him to collect his possessions or his 
legal documents necessary to properly defend himself in California.  At one 
time a US bail bondsman told Driessens's mom that if he did not turn himself 
in and they caught him he would never get back to Tahama County California 
alive.  He feels he needs his story made public to protect his life.  He 
needs the support of DRC members, NORMAL, and others interested in reform of 
police brutality and drug laws.

Sincerely,

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Conspiracy Corner
Re: I get more confused everyday; Irwin Cotler and
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 795526 
02 Feb 2004 21:09:45
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"zionism=israel"

Not all israelis are aggressive. Some are actually fighting for palestinian rights and criticizing their government's own policies. Had you bothered to check, you would have found that out. But it's easier just pretending all Israelis are bloodthirsty zionists.

http://indymedia.org.il/

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2015.shtml

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article753.shtml

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1231-04.htm

 By Gila Svirsky
 4 October 2002 
 
 If your only sources of information about the Middle East conflict are media reports, you would undoubtedly never hear about the important work for peace that goes on here. 
 
 Despite the discouraging times, Israeli activists continue to struggle on many fronts. I report here on just a few: 
 
 Women in Black continue the vigils throughout Israel - one hour every week, dressed in black and carrying signs 'End the Occupation.' It's hard to imagine that we have been standing for almost 15 years, but we really have (my two daughters who vigiled with me as children are now grown women). In fact, our numbers have increased in recent months, in response to organized assaults by extreme right-wingers in Jerusalem. In testimony to the import of this international movement, an Israeli representative of Women in Black was invited to address the UN Security Council in a few weeks. 
 
 Ta'ayush: Arab-Jewish Partnership organized a major rally last Saturday to protest the growing racism and discrimination inside Israel against Arab citizens of the state. This is critical, especially when our Minister of Education orders all schools to devote one hour of class time to studying the 'legacy' of assassinated politician Rehavam Ze'evi - a racist legacy that advocated the forcible expulsion Israeli Arabs from Israel. It's no wonder that activists from both Ta'ayush and the Coalition of Women for Peace have engaged in artistic midnight forays to counteract a wave of racist graffiti. 
 
 Gush Shalom brought dozens of Israelis to the courtroom yesterday for the show trial of Palestinian leader Marwan Barghouti, demanding that Barghouti be brought to the negotiating table, not put on trial. This courageous group continues to be threatened and harassed by Israeli political leaders, such as Knesset Member Kleiner who called them "anti-Semites who are a cancer in the heart of the nation". 
 
 There is a growing alliance of Palestinians and Israelis for a shared peace. The Coalition of Women for a Just Peace just received a communication from the Palestinian Committee for Inter-Communication in Gaza, saying, "We convey to you our desire for peace and co-existence." And in tomorrow's Arabic newspapers in the occupied territories, the Coalition is publishing an ad that says, "We extend our heartfelt solidarity during this difficult period. We pledge to continue to educate our children and leaders that the Occupation and all violence must end, and that a just peace is the key to the well-being of both nations." 
 
 It would not be hard to continue with reports from New Profile, Bat Shalom, Machsom Watch, Courage to Refuse, Peace Now, and many others, but I will just add the translation of a report by Yaakov Manor about yesterday's (3 October) peace action in Kfar Yassuf: 
 
 Picking Olives for Peace In the wake of ongoing attacks by settlers from Tapuah against the residents of the nearby Palestine village of Kfar Yassuf, and following several recent shooting incidents and the theft of olives, we decided to quickly organize help with the olive harvest. 
 
 This action was called by Rabbis for Human Rights and the Israel Committee Against Home Demolitions, but activists from many organizations joined in... 
 
 The first thing we saw at the entrance to the village were three mounds of dirt and boulders blocking the road - preventing vehicles from entering, and thereby forcing villagers to walk several hundred meters from the road to their homes, often carrying heavy packages. The next thing was graffiti: "Death to Arabs", presumably painted by the Kahanist settlers of Tapuah. 
 
 At the entrance to the village, hundreds of residents met and welcomed us, and many more joined as we walked through the village. We quickly went to the olive orchard near the Tapuah settlement where the olive groves had been raided by settlers. Palestinian villagers and Israeli peace activists set to work at once with great energy, out of fear, soon confirmed, that we would soon be interrupted by settlers and security forces. 
 
 At first, about 15 soldiers and police stood on the hill between us and the settlement, and allowed us to continue the harvest. A short while later, some 20 settlers gathered above us, some of them armed. The settlers began to advance toward us shouting and cursing. At that point, the senior officer approached and requested that we leave the hillside to avoid clashes. Since we had almost completed the harvest in that location, we complied. A short while later, the district army commander arrived and demanded that we entirely evacuate the area on the grounds that it was a 'closed military zone'... After discussing this with the villagers, we agreed to leave out of concern for their welfare. 
 
 Our request that the security forces disperse the settlers and allow the villagers to complete their harvest was jeeringly denied... "Let them harvest their olives when there's a Palestinian state", said the commander. 
 
 Documenting this event were a Canadian TV crew and a reporter from [the Israeli newspaper] Yediot Aharonot. An Italian TV crew arrived late, but interviewed the village residents and peace activists...The action was reported on the radio, and participants were interviewed on [Israel's popular] midday radio news magazine. 
 
 We subsequently learned that the village has another large orchard to which they do not have access. We decided to consider holding another action, and we discussed what to do in the event of attacks by settlers or reactions by the Israeli army. 
 
 We also decided to lobby Knesset members to use their good offices to enable Palestinians to harvest their olives in locations where they are threatened by settlers. 
 
 End report by Yaakov. 
 
 I think the above report is a perfect example of how a small group of Israeli peace activists can act effectively to bridge the divide with Palestinians, and also work to change Israeli public opinion and affect policymakers. All these groups deserve your support. 
 
 Despite these difficult times, more and more people on both sides have come to understand that violence is not a solution. And it is important to keep the vision in mind: Like every occupation in history, the Israeli occupation too is doomed to failure, and will come to an end sooner or later. And at the end of that occupation, two vibrant states - safe, secure, independent of each other, and cooperative for the benefit of all - must inevitably emerge. 
 
 Shalom / Salaam from Jerusalem, 
 Gila Svirsky
 Coalition of Women for a Just Peace 
 
 For more information about all the groups mentioned in this article, click over to Human Rights and Peace Groups at Ariga 

http://www.ariga.com/5763/2002-10-04-gsvirksy.shtml





http://www.palsolidarity.org/pressreleases/PR_28Jul03_18_43_38JeninISMJenin.htm





http://www.rnw.nl/hotspots/html/isr020909.html

http://cpnn-usa.org/cgi-bin/read/articlepage.cgi?ViewArticle=65

 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Three eye-witnesses and a documentary "fabricated"
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 795353 
02 Feb 2004 19:14:17
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I've actually heard Abby claim that all the hundreds of hours of film proving the Nazi's were involved with mass slaughter were just "fabricated" in Hollywood. Obviously, we are dealing with someone who evidence doesn't effect.

Nor are we dealing with someone who understands journalism. I ask for facts and sources and he gives us opinions without the link he used to cut and paste the opinion from. Abby must be ashamed at where he's getting the "evidence" from.

Evidence won't go away just 'cause YOU ignore it Abby. Nor will your opinions (nor your anonymous friends opinions) matter to anyone who likes facts.

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Conspiracy Corner
Re: I get more confused everyday; Irwin Cotler and
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 795334 
02 Feb 2004 18:56:21
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"....zionists are not a race, they are political force that controls the banking interests of this world....."

But your post wasn't about "zionists" - it was about the "Israelis" who owned all the pharmaceutical companies in the world. Just find us the facts and post them here with the link, or shut your yammering prejudiced hole.

Just ONE link, ONE source to back up what you said.

I TRIPLE dare ya.

 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: davidtunnelvisionlevine
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 794895 
02 Feb 2004 11:49:56
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"i see your still puting out anti german propaganda..."

Anti-Nazi propaganda. Not every German went along with Bayer's plan.


"Zionist jews" didn't get people to hate them. The Czar got his boys to write "Protocols" while Rockefeller and Harriman got their boys to create "race laws" in their "Eugenics" lab at Cold Spring Harbor. White people paid Big Bucks to encourage intellectuals to write things that would make people hate jews.

www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer


Abby, you get it wrong every time your fingers hit the keyboards. Come back to the conversation when you have something more convincing than anonymous sources and KKK cut-n-paste.


 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Wannabe Nazi's every where ... talking to one
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 794886 
02 Feb 2004 11:41:50
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"So are you saying that People claimed that soap was made out of fat/bone from the jews in the holocost?"

Yes. Three people at Nuremburg testified that this was true - two British prisoners who worked at the soapworks and the German chemist who oversaw the project. The whole soap-making process - dead-bodies-to-soap - was documented in the french film "Night and Fog".

Three eye-witnesses and a film. If it was any other crime there would be no dispute, but because the Nazi's began to hide their crimes before the war was over, there have been many volunteers in their efforts to hide these crimes.

 Abby is such a volunteer. He believes their retoric about "jew economic domination" (without bothering to do any real research on it) so he feels that the best way to avoid being dominated by jews is - rather than try to disprove the evidence with counter-evidence (which does not exist) he resorts to calling the ones that point out the soap evidence "liars". 

Does everything make sense to you now?

 


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Conspiracy Corner
Re: I get more confused everyday; Irwin Cotler and
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 794872 
02 Feb 2004 11:31:07
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Thanks to Abby for turning an interesting discussion on decrim into the "jews control everything" debate.

Abby, please, if you have a source for your "Most pharmaceutical companies are owned by Israelis" claim, by all means, provide it here.

For those who really want to read something other than opinion on the subject, I recommend:

www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer

Those who blame jews for everything have 1 thing in common with those who blame drug users for everything: No evidence - ever. Hitler had no evidence of jews cotroling anything, and neither does Abby. Just opinion. 

Hey Abby and Sexay - keep your racist opinions to yourself, but feel free to share any evidence you might have (that you're not ashamed to provide).


 


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Current News and Events
Re: Latest in Kubby saga
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 794006 
01 Feb 2004 16:44:24
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Pubdate: Sat, 31 Jan 2004
Source: Coast Reporter (CN BC)
Copyright: 2004 Coast Reporter
Contact: [email protected]
Website: http://www.coastreporter.net/
Author: Nancy Moote


U.S. 'POT REFUGEE' FIGHTING TO STAY IN SECHELT
Nancy Moote, Coast Reporter Staff writer

Steve Kubby, the Californian marijuana activist who was denied refugee
status in Canada, is fighting for the right to stay in his Sechelt home.

Michele Kubby, Steve's wife, said the couple is using several legal
strategies in an attempt to overturn the refugee board decision.

"This is my husband's life.  We're not going to mess around," she said.

Steve Kubby smokes (and eats) large quantities of pot - up to an ounce a day
- to control a rare form of adrenal cancer.  His refugee case was based on
the argument that he would die in a U.S. jail if he were denied marijuana.
But in December refugee judge Paulah Dauns ruled against Kubby.

Dauns concluded Kubby does not face persecution and torture in the U.S.,
although she did agree that marijuana is an effective treatment for his
cancer.

The Kubby's have accused Dauns of bias because of her involvement with a
Catholic charity that they claim opposes the medical use of marijuana.  They
are asking the Immigration and Refugee Board to overturn the judge's
decision.

"We don't have to prove bias.  We only have to show there is the appearance
of bias," said Michele.

The Kubby's are also appealing the refugee board decision in federal court.
That argument is based on a technical issue: whether the possession of a
half a gram of "magic mushroom" the offence for which Kubby was convicted in
California in 2000, is a summary or an indictable offence in Canada.  The
Kubbys argued the Department of Immigration has "trumped up" that crime to
an indictable offence in order to deport them.

"By March 14 we'll file all the paperwork, and the court has 60 to 90 days
to decide whether they will hear our appeal," said Michele.

The court very rarely agrees to hear appeals of refugee board decisions.  In
the meantime, the departure order for the Kubby family to leave Canada has
been stayed.

Michele said Steve has lost weight since the refugee board hearing due to
the worry of impending deportation.  He takes long walks in Cliff Gilker
Park and is avoiding media interviews in order to minimize that stress.
 


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Activists and Activism
Re: Drug Policy Alliance - get involved!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 793963 
01 Feb 2004 15:51:34
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http://www.drugpolicy.org/reducingharm/treatmentvsi/

....of course, beware anyone who gives you "jail or treatment" as your only two choices.


 


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Current News and Events
Venezuela decriminalizes all drugs - NO FINES!!!!!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 793945 
01 Feb 2004 15:28:11
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January 15, 2003
Please Distribute Widely

Dear Colleague,

The new participatory journalism model of Narco News is soon to emerge
from the lab. Meanwhile, here's some breaking news from our beat, that
I've posted as an entry on my weblog:

Venezuela Decriminalizes Drug Possession

http://www.bigleftoutside.com/archives/000313.php

Today's neo-libertarians, if they truly believe what they claim to believe
about freedom, really need to take a second look at Venezuela and it's
president Hugo Chávez.

The democratically-elected government of Venezuela has survived attempted
coups - military, economic, and mediatic - and keeps moving forward with
the most sweeping reforms and advances in democracy and human rights in
the hemisphere today.

The latest: a reform of the penal code that, while increasing penalties
for drug traffickers like every other country, has just decriminalized
possession. According to the oligarch's daily El Universal, which leads
its report in a panic over the reform's simultaneous legalization of
abortion and euthanasia, here's what the new law does for drug users:

"As personal dose for consumption, the (allowable) quantity of the drug
substance is extended to that which is necessary for average individual
consumption for no more than five days; and as a provisional dose, the
quantity of the substance that is employed for average individual
consumption (according to forensics experts) for no more than ten days."

In sum, the drug addict or user no longer faces prison or penalty in
Venezuela if he possesses small amounts of his drug of choice
(specifically mentioned by the law are marijuana, hashish, cocaine and its
derivatives, opium and its derivatives, and synthetic drugs).

This is truly revolutionary. How and why did it happen? This giant step
for drug policy reform and human freedom in this hemisphere happened
because Venezuelan democracy was defended and US-backed coups were
defeated. This historic development is a discrediting knockout blow to all
the hysterical accusers who claimed that the government of Hugo Chávez
would somehow become "authoritarian" simply because he and the Venezuelan
majority don't agree that "the market" should govern their land.

The vestiges of McCarthyism or "Fear of a Red Planet" appeared in recent
years even from some quarters that claim they want to liberalize drug
laws. Our own newspaper, Narco News, took heat and sustained hard hits
over the past two years in particular for our strong defense of Venezuelan
democracy. "But that has nothing to do with drug policy," the fearful
voices accused.

Today, you can see the whole truth, kind reader. Fear no more. In January
2004, Venezuela decriminalized the drug user and the small doses he
possesses. And if the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela sustains the
inevitable backlash from Washington that will now come for daring to
exercise its democratic will to increase human freedom, you will soon see
other Latin American nations follow suit. Ecuador had already done it
quietly (reported only by Narco News -
http://www.narconews.com/Issue29/article703.html ), but Venezuela's
action, because of the size and influence of the country and its economy,
and the context of its role in the current American drama, now provides
cover for Brazil, Argentina, and the rest of the continent to do the same.

To those of you who wisely understood this connection between defending
democracy in Latin America and reforming the insane war on drugs, and who
raised your voices across the world to prevent the coups d'etat, this is
your victory, too. Congratulations, remain vigilant, apply for your
copublisher account to amplify your voice across the continents, and
onward...

Apply for your co-publisher's account, here:

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From somewhere in a country called América,

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The Narco News Bulletin
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Narco News is supported by:

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Activists and Activism
Drug Policy Alliance - get involved!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 793931 
01 Feb 2004 15:16:55
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http://www.drugpolicy.org/homepage.cfm

Check them out - check out the ad with the handcuffs. 


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Counter-Counterspin
Re: Bush/Martin plans for us "repeat offenders".
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 793916 
01 Feb 2004 15:02:59
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This is about Keith Martin - the first MP (then Reform Party) to bring up Mandatory Treatment for his version of "decrim" (see potshot #15 p. 81, or Province, feb.12 1997) .... now he's just another Liberal for mandatory treatment.


http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/01/14/keithmartin040114


Another Conservative MP bolts the party 
Last Updated Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:52:48 

OTTAWA - British Columbia MP Keith Martin has quit the Conservative party and
intends to run as Liberal in the next election. 

Martin says he's concerned the new party, formed by the merger of the
Progressive Conservatives and the Canadian Alliance, is moving too far to the
right. 

Martin was elected three times - twice for the Reform party and once for the
Canadian Alliance. Martin says he joined the Reform party more than 10 years ago
because he believed in fiscal conservatism. But he says in the last two years
he's been at odds with the Allliance over positions the party took on issues
like the war in Iraq, Canada-U.S. relations and social policy. 

"That situation is not going to get better, and I do not want to be in an
environment where I'm banging my head against the wall," he said. 

Less than three months ago, Martin denied rumours he was leaving the party. In a
news release last October, he vowed to stay put, support the merger with the
Tories and work with Alliance Leader Stephen Harper. 

The Liberals have put money into needle exchange programs and would
decriminalize possession of small amounts of marijuana. 

Martin says the Liberals haven't recruited him, but he admits he met with Prime
Minister Paul Martin last summer to talk about his future in the party and got a
positive response. Even so, he says he will sit as an independent until the next
election. "To simply cross the floor would, in my view, be disrespectful to the
people of my community, disrespectful to Conservative members and members of the
Liberal party." 

NDP MP Svend Robinson scoffed at Martin, calling his decision "an act of
political duplicity, of political treachery, of political opportunism that I
have seldom witnessed in the time I have been here in Ottawa." 

Robinson derides Martin for his positions supporting private health care and his
vote in Parliament against including sexual orientation in hate crime
legislation. 

Former Canadian Alliance House leader and now Conservative MP John Reynolds says
he's not surprised at Martin's decision. But Reynolds says if Martin really had
integrity he'd resign. "That lack of integrity you pay dearly for at the polls
next time." 

And while Martin is only the latest in a number of Conservative MPs to flee the
party, John Reynolds isn't worried. He says interest in the Conservative
leadership race is proof the party will do well, even if MPs are leaving. 

Martin is the fifth MP to quit the former Alliance and Tory parties since they
announced their merger. 

The others are all Tories: former leader Joe Clark from Alberta, André Bachand
from Quebec and John Herron from New Brunswick, who have decided to sit as
Independent MPs; and Scott Brison from Nova Scotia, who crossed the floor to
join the Liberals.
 


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Counter-Counterspin
Bush/Martin plans for us "repeat offenders".
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 793901 
01 Feb 2004 14:52:27
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First, check out Canadian Liberal MP Hedy Fry's comments at the end of this show regarding "decrim" - "mandatory treatment"!

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2302.html

Next, check out what U.S. Ambassador Paul Cellucci said regarding repeat offenders:  



Thu, January 22, 2004 


U.S. on alert for young pot users

By CP

YOUNGER PEOPLE---Canadian or American -- trying to enter the U.S. will become targets of increased surveillance unless Canada can dispel the perception it is slackening penalties for pot use, U.S. Ambassador Paul Cellucci said. That perception might be eradicated if Canada's pending marijuana legislation were to include criminal penalties for more than one conviction, for possession near schools or possession while operating a vehicle, Cellucci said. 

"We understand that this is a public policy decision for Canada to make just like (some U.S.) states have made," the ambassador told the Canadian Press. "We're just saying that right now the perception is that it's going to be a lot easier to get marijuana in Canada and that's going to put pressure on the border." 

That strain won't slow border traffic and trade to a crawl, but it will have an impact on border crossings and on those crossing into the U.S. Younger people, "whether they're U.S. citizens or Canadian citizens," Cellucci said, will be prime targets of heightened surveillance. 

"Customs and Immigration officers at the border are law enforcement officers. Their antenna will be up looking for those trying to bring these drugs into the United States." 

Prime Minister Paul Martin has said his government will reintroduce legislation drafted by his predecessor, Jean Chretien, that decriminalizes penalties for possession of up to 15 grams of marijuana. What remains unclear is whether the bill will be brought back in its original form or whether it will be amended to toughen its penalty provisions. 

The Bush administration has made it clear it regards the proposed legislation as a measure that will increase marijuana supply in the U.S. and increase drug trafficking. 

The legislation mandates a maximum fine of $400 for adults and $250 for youths for possession of 15 grams or less of marijuana -- about 20 cigarettes. Maximum sentences for illicit growers would increase and the government would spend about $150 million on an educational campaign to convince young people not to use drugs. Fines for possession would increase for intoxicated drivers. 

'TOUGHEN THE BILL' 


 But there are currently no provisions to make repeat offenders, drivers and those possessing the drug near schools criminally responsible  That's affecting the perception of the proposed bill among Bush administration officials, Cellucci said. 

"I think several things could be done to toughen the bill. There could be emphasis on the fact that ... a young person is not going to have a criminal record but they are going to have to pay a significant fine, which is more than what's happening to him right now." 

Asked if that perception was solidified when Chretien mused about lighting up a joint after he left office, Cellucci reacted with a nod and sustained chuckle.



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Counter-Counterspin
Euphoriphobia from the scientific community...
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 793896 
01 Feb 2004 14:47:19
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I'm collecting. Please post similar stories here.


Source: UBC Reports
Contact [email protected]
Website: http://www.publicaffairs.ubc.ca/ubcreports
Address: 310-6251 Cecil Green Park Road, Vancouver, BC Canada V6T 1Z1
Fax: (604) 822-2684
Author: Hilary Thomson
Pubdate: January 8, 2004

webpage: http://www.publicaffairs.ubc.ca/ubcreports/2004/04jan08/marijuana.html 

Most want pain relief, not a marijuana high 

Imagine you are dying a slow, painful death and someone offers you marijuana to
relieve your pain. How quickly would you take it? 

Not so quickly, according to a study done by palliative care expert Romayne
Gallagher. Almost 70 palliative care patients were asked about their attitudes
and beliefs surrounding medicinal use of marijuana. Gallagher and fellow
researchers from the BC Cancer Agency and Vancouver Coastal Health Authority,
VGH site, found the patients had a variety of worries and questions. 

"These individuals had some real concerns about using the drug -- concerns that
were surprising considering these people were at the end of their life," says
Gallagher, a clinical professor in the Faculty of Medicine's division of
palliative care. 

Marijuana has been available for medical use in Canada since July 2001 when
Health Canada implemented the Marijuana Medical Access Regulations. A doctor's
recommendation allows patients to obtain and use marijuana without prosecution. 

Participants in the study -- conducted at cancer centres and palliative care
units in Vancouver and Kelowna -- worried that smoking would result in lung
problems, that second-hand smoke would harm their families' health and that they
might become addicted to the drug. 

Gallagher says both patients and doctors often need to be convinced of the value
and safety of readily available pain-relieving drugs such as morphine. Some
current attitudes mirror beliefs held decades ago. An article from the 1941
Journal of the American Medical Association states that, "The use of narcotics
in terminal cancer is to be condemned if it can possibly be avoided... It is
well known that small, regularly administered doses may be counted on to cause
and maintain addiction...". 

Many study participants believed that marijuana is safer than morphine. In
reality, says Gallagher, both drugs are safe if used responsibly. Most
participants don't want to smoke the drug and they don't want marijuana's side
effects. 

"They want pain relief -- they don't want to be stoned," says Gallagher. 

Study participants -- whose average age was 56 -- also had social concerns about
using marijuana. Some, particularly Asian patients, were afraid of neighbours
and police finding out. 

"It was disturbing to find that most of these patients were willing to try
marijuana despite their concerns and lack of information," she says. "They are a
very vulnerable population and eager to use whatever works. The only problem is,
we don't have clear evidence about how marijuana does work to treat symptoms in
dying people." 

In addition to a lack of clinical research information, there are significant
obstacles in obtaining the drug. Few dying patients have the energy to start
their own grow-op. Buying from suppliers, such as compassion clubs established
to distribute marijuana for medical use, can cost up to several hundred dollars
per month. 

Russell Barth, a 34-year-old who takes marijuana for chronic pain and anxiety,
reports it took nine months to get the necessary forms processed so that he
could obtain and possess the drug. One of the co-founders of the National
Compassion Society in Ottawa, he turned to marijuana because he could not
tolerate the pharmaceuticals prescribed to him. His roommate uses the drug to
help control epilepsy. Together, they have spent up to $500 per month on medical
marijuana. 

"It's not an easy drug to use -- it's expensive and there's a lot of bureaucracy
involved to get it. Health Canada offers marijuana for slightly less money, but
it's poor quality and contains chemicals." 

In addition to financial barriers to using the drug, there are medical issues to
consider. Marijuana interacts negatively with drugs that slow down the central
nervous system, including sleeping pills, some pain medications, antihistamines
and seizure medications as well as antiviral drugs used to treat AIDS. 

Gallagher points out that there have been no clinical trials of marijuana in
Canada, leaving patients pretty much on their own to determine what works for
them. She would like to see Canada learn from other countries, such as the U.K.,
which is conducting large marijuana trials. 

In the largest investigation ever done on the treatment of multiple sclerosis,
U.K. researchers recently studied marijuana use in more that 600 patients and
found that although the drug had no significant effect on muscle spasticity
(according to an independent assessment scale) the majority of patients felt it
had reduced spasticity symptoms and pain. There was also some evidence that
marijuana treatment led to improved mobility. 

Gallagher would also like to see regulated prescriptions, a standardized route
of administration and dosage, and pharamacare coverage of the marijuana pill as
a recognized pain reliever. 

Pharmacare covers drugs approved for prescription use by Health Canada. A
whole-cannabis preparation called Sativex is currently going through the
approval process in the U.K., which may lead to approval in Canada, according to
Dr. David Hadorn, who has served as a consultant to the B.C. Pharmacare program.

If Health Canada does approve the drug, Pharmacare would then decide if it
should be subsidized and what restrictions, if any, should be placed on the
subsidies. 

For more information about the medical use of marijuana, visit Health Canada's
Web site at www.hc-sc.gc.ca. 

The University of British Columbia 
UBC Reports welcomes your feedback. 
e-mail: [email protected]
 


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Counter-Counterspin
Students AGAINST drugs!
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 793892 
01 Feb 2004 14:44:50
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http://www.standnow.com/

"Look around you. Aren't you tired of seeing our peers and the media make it sound like drugs are no big deal? Too many of us have learned the painful lesson that drugs, even marijuana, can destroy our lives or the lives of our loved ones. Smoking one joint of today's high-grade THC marijuana is equal to four tobacco cigarettes, say British researchers. ..."



"Marijuana


AKA: Pot, dope, grass, weed, Mary Jane, chronic, reefer, ganja, kaya, doobie, keef. .


Marijuana is the most widely used illegal drug in the United States. Fewer than one in four high school seniors say they are current users. Between 1991 and 2001, the number of 8th graders who used marijuana doubled from one in ten to one in five. Monitoring the Future, 1975-1999.


Marijuana affects memory, judgment and perception even in the short-term, as was found in a study conducted by Pope and Yurgelun-Todd published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. It can mess you up in school, in sports or clubs, or with your friends. Several studies, including one reported a few years ago in the American Journal of Public Health, indicate that if you're high on marijuana, you are more likely to do things that could embarrass or even hurt you-such as driving under the influence or engaging in risky sexual behaviors. For athletes, THC's effect on timing, coordination, and movement-which can last for several hours-can seriously hurt performance. NCADI 


Over the long term, smoking pot can cause you to lose interest in how you look and how you're getting along at school or work. NCADI It can also be much worse for your respiratory health than smoking cigarettes; the amount of tar, carbon monoxide, and cancer-causing chemicals inhaled in marijuana smoke are three to five times greater than that inhaled from the same amount of tobacco smoke. (NIDA Infofax) 


It's important also to remember that marijuana is an addictive drug, responsible for about 60% of all the teenagers who seek admission to drug treatment centers in the U.S. Smoking marijuana leads to some changes in the brain similar to those caused by cocaine, heroin and alcohol. (Di Chiara's study-in NIDA information). Research at the University of Columbia demonstrates that people who regularly smoke marijuana experience withdrawal symptoms after they stop using it. 


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Know the Signs 


The effects vary from person to person depending on how strong the marijuana is, how it's taken and whether other drugs or alcohol are involved. At first, pot can make people feel relaxed, in a good mood and even silly. Users will likely experience dry mouth, rapid heartbeat, some loss of coordination and poor sense of balance, and slower reaction times, along with intoxication. Blood vessels in the eye will expand causing the red-eye effect. NIDA 
 Smoking marijuana may impair short-term memory while people are using the drug. This happens because all forms of marijuana contain THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol), the main active chemical in marijuana, which alters the way the brain works. After a few minutes, paranoia or anxiousness may set in, then intense hunger (a.k.a. the munchies). Finally, sleepiness. NCADI For some people, marijuana raises blood pressure slightly and can double the normal heart rate. This effect can be greater when other drugs are mixed with marijuana. 


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Info 


American Council for Drug Education
 164 West 74th Street
 New York, NY 10023
 212-758-8060
 1-800-488-DRUG
 www.acde.org 
 
 Families Anonymous, Inc.
 P.O. Box 3475
 Culver City, CA 90231-3475
 310-313-5800
 1-800-736-9805
 www.home.earthlink.net/~famanon/ 
 
 Nar-Anon Family Groups
 P.O. Box 2562
 Palos Verdes Peninsula, CA 90274
 310-547-5800 
 
 Narcotics Anonymous (NA)
 P.O. Box 9999
 Van Nuys, CA 91409
 818-773-9999
 www.na.org 
 
 National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence (NCADD)
 12 West 21st Street, 7th Floor
 New York, NY 10010
 1-800-622-2255
 www.ncadd.org 
 
 National Clearinghouse for Alcohol and Drug Information
 P.O. Box 2345 Rockville, MD 20847-2345
 301-468-2600
 1-800-729-6686
 www.health.org 
 
 National Families in Action
 2957 Clairmont Rd., Suite 150
 Atlanta, GA 30329
 404-248-9676
 www.emory.edu 
 
 National Institute on Drug Abuse
 6001 Executive Blvd
 Bethesda, Maryland 20892-9561.
 301-443-1124
 www.drugabuse.gov 
 U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
 Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration


The bottom line: If you know someone who uses marijuana, urge him or her to get help. If you're using marijuana--stop! The longer you ignore the real facts, the more chances you take with your life. 


It's never too late. Talk to your parents, a doctor, a counselor, a teacher, or another adult you trust. 


Do it today! 


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Current News and Events
Re: Jack Layton and NDP.ca site
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 793888 
01 Feb 2004 14:41:59
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It's good that marijuana and same sex marraige are being brought up in the same sentence - the homosexuals arn't getting their punishments switched around - they're getting their discrimination removed. 


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Pot-TV Internetwork
Re: The Hilary Black Show
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 793300 
01 Feb 2004 02:22:41
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".... actually, Hilary has long been known to be nothing more than a figure head. She promises much to many, but only the "inner clique" gets help."

Yes....an inner clique of 2700 members - all who get the best (and the only) selection in Vancouver. Are you, by any chance, part of the Merlin project? They're the other people to try and do a "medical" service. The Compassion Club has had a fraction of the complaints and thousands more people helped than anyone else in North America, aside from maybe Dennis Peron's club.



 "She has no illness of her own..."

Are you her doctor? How do you know so much about Hil?





".... and her motivation has always been the money."

Name me another pot dealer who works for 14 bucks an hour... for seven years.






"Anybody notice where she lives, and what she's driving lately??"

She lives in East Vancouver and drives a friggin Volvo. What have YOU been smoking?





"I am a member of the club and would watch her consume huge amounts of weed..."

With members like yourself, I can see why she needs "huge amounts of weed"

 


"thats payed for by us!!"

You clean up HIV+ blood, piss and shit from cranky sick people for seven years and then tell me the Compassion Club staff haven't earned their measily 14 bucks an hour.


 "Yes, she's done a good thing, but power corrupts"

Are you really a member? If so, you shouldn't complain anonimously, but rather take your complaints to the annual general meeting.

If you really were a member, you should have known that.


  


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Conspiracy Corner
Re: How powerful is Rothschild? Their history here:
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 793294 
01 Feb 2004 01:59:55
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Your first source - the first link - quotes as his source BOTH George Armstrong and Eustace Mullins - both have a history of sketchy anti-jew bias.



3. Armstrong, George. Rothschild Money Trust. CPA reprint of 1940 ed., pp.66-88. Also in this vein read Mullins, Eustice. The World Order. pp. 31-33 and other sources too."
17. Mullins, The World Order, p. 11.
29. Mullins, op. cit., p.2.
32. Mullins, op. cit. p. 3.
40. Mullins, Eustice. The Curse of Canaan, p.125.
41. Mullins, Eustice. The World Order, p.5.
45. Read Mullins, The World Order.


"At his "Call for Action '90" conference in Nevada, Gritz featured the anti-semitic views of Eustace Mullins in analyzing the Federal reserve, and he
distributes the work of Mullins, who was a supporter of Erza
Pound and the Italian fascists."

www.beyond-the-illusion.com/files/ Politics/fascism/gritz/gritz.dat 

Eustace Clarence Mullins, born in 1923 in Virginia, is one of the leading far right conspiracy theorist of the late 20th century in North America. Since the early 1950s, Mullins has written several books, including Murder by Injection (1988) and The Secrets of the Federal Reserve, and almost all of which detailed a supposed Jewish-led syndicate seeking to control western society through the world banking system, the New World Order, and medical and health technology, referring to Jews as "parasites." He has also argued that Zionists funded Hitler's war effort through a number of international business organisations. Chip Berlet, an analyst with the Political Research Associates, refers to Mullins as "the most vicious anti-Semite on the face of the planet (The Shallit Report)." In an interview with the CBC, Bernie Farber, of the Canadian Jewish Congress, stated "[Mullins is] probably one of the most vicious and most vitriolic anti-Semites on the Continent? he has written tracts that would make your blood curdle.....Mullins' anti-Semitism is apparent in an epilogue he wrote for the book, The World's Troublemakers, by Bruce Brown. The epilogue, called The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, uses a number of traditional anti-Semitic mythological concepts including the identification of Jews as a parasitic race. Building upon another mythological conception of Jewish influence over the media, Mullins argues that the major media networks, including Evangelical Christian television, are controlled by Jews and is used to fund Israel's war against Arabs. Moreover, Mullins declares Israel a "bandit" state, that western society is under attack by "pro-Jewish propagandists," and that Jews are "biological parasites" who feed off of "Christian host nations." 


"It has long been common knowledge since the incorporation of the three major national television networks that each of them was own, operated and controlled by Jews, and that no Christian patriot would be allowed to appear on any Jewish networks to preach the true doctrine of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, 'who walked in fear of Jewry, for they sought to kill him?' It is well known that the Jew is his natural function as a biological parasite, must not only control the thoughts of his host people if he is to survive, but he must also establish their thought patterns and maintains supervision of them. Thus, the gentiles, or host people, are taught to respect and obey the smaller, weaker parasitic organism which is taking his sustenance, making him ill, and slowly destroying him. The entire host-parasite relationship flouts the most basic law of nature, the instinct for survival and of self-preservation. The Jew, being numerically weaker, must is he is to survive, train the host to tolerate his presence, and to allow him to control the host (Epilogue - The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse)." 

http://www.gdmc.org/Program/hrep/carn/conspiracy/mullins_1.htm



"The first anvil would be created out of economic chaos in Germany. It would be called National Socialism."

National Socialism was actually exported out of Austria into Germany by I.G. Farben (Bayer). Here's the proof:

"Aside from calling for a "Fuhrer" and gassing millions, I.G. would set other examples for the Nazis to follow. In 1916, the IG chemist and plant manager Werner Daitz was to write;

"A new type of state socialism is appearing, totally different from that which any of us have dreamed or thought of. Private economic initiative and the private capitalist economy will not be crippled, but will be regimented from the points of view of state socialism in that capital will be concentrated in the national economy and will be directed outwards with uniform impetus It breaks this up into national socialism whose election promise will be: work rather than phrases." (27)

Keep in mind, this is at least three years before Hitler added "National Socialist" to the "German Worker's Party" - where the term "Nazi" comes from. Both Hitler and I.G. were probably tripping off the same Austrian right-wing political vibe, but it seems like I.G. tripped first, doing much to import National Socialism into Germany."

www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer
 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Abby-semite
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 793270 
01 Feb 2004 01:03:49
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"...fiction books like Jekyll & Hide..."



At least my sources have publishers who arn't afraid to print their names and addresses in their books.



Former home of William Rockefeller on Jekyll Island, Georgia, This was where the 3rd Bank was secretly chartered leading to the greatest theft of the people's money in all the long history of crime.

http://www.reformation.org/rockefeller.html




"....and Hollywood movies like Night And Fog"

It's a French film.























Anti-Semitic flyer, circa 1944 showing Jewish control of finance, prostitution, and governments. Note skulls on the throne, Menorah to the right, and women depicted as sexual slaves.









You "jews control everything" people should pay attention to history. The last time whackos spread those lies around, many, many people died. So why spread them again .... look into who was the real movers and shakers in the last hundred years - it WASN'T the Rothchilds:

www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer




 


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The Marijuana Party
Paul Martin: trust him as far as you can throw him
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 793225 
31 Jan 2004 23:35:15
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Paul Martin - all the wrong connections....





Paul Martin and the "Global Elite"


 TORONTO, 2nd June--The supersecretive 1996 Bilderberg Conference at King City, north of Toronto, ends today. As usual, the 120 assorted members of European royalty, internancial financiers, major newspaper publishers, heads of supranational agencies, leading U.S. and North American politicians, and 
  selected titans of industry and commerce have managed to conceal - so far - the substance of, and the consensus reached after, each of their "Round Table" discussions. 

LIST OF 1996 BILDERBERG ATTENDEES 


     THE UNITED STATES: 
     * Paul Allaire [ Chairman of Xerox] 
     * Dwayne Andreas [Chairman, Archer-Daniels, Midland] 
     * Lloyd Benson [former Treasury Secretary] 
     * John Bryan [Chairman, Sarah Lee Corp.] 
     * William Buckley [the NATIONAL REVIEW] 
     * Jon Corzine [Chairman, Goldman Sachs] 
     * Stanley Fischer [International Monetary Fund] 
     * Charles Freeman [Former Assistant Secretary of Defence] 
     * Richard Holbrooke [former Assistant Secretary of State] 
     * Henry Kissinger [former U.S. Secretary of State] 
     * Henry Kravis [Kohlberg, Kravis, Roberts] 
     * Winston Lord [Assistant Secretary of State] 
     * Sam Nunn [U.S. Senator] 
     * William Perry [Secretary of Defence] 
     * David Rockefeller [Chase Manhattan Bank] 
     * Jack Scheinkman [Chairman, Amalgamated Bank] 
     * George Soros [President, Soros Fund Management] 
     * George Stephanopoulos [Senior Advisor to the President] 
     * Alex Trotma [Chairman, Ford Motor Company] 
     * John Whitehead [former Deputy Secretary of State] 


     CANADA: 
     * Lloyd Axworthy [Minister of Foreign Affairs] 
     * Conrad Black [Chairman, Hollinger Inc.,] 
     * Jean Chretien [Prime Minister of Canada] 
     * Frederik Eaton [Chairman, Eatons] 
     * Al Flood [Chairman, CIBC] 
     * Allan Gottlieb [former Amassador to U.S.] 
     * Anthony Griffin [Hon. Chairman, Guardian Group] 
     * Mike Harris [Premier of Ontario] 
     * Paul Martin [Finance Minister] 
     * Sylvia Ostry [Centre fot International Studies, Univ. of Toronto] 
     * Ted Rogers [President, Rogers Communications] 
     * Red Wison [Chairman, Bell Canada Enterprises] 


     EASTERN EUROPE: 
     * Andrzej Olechowski [Former Polish Foreign Affairs Minister] 
     * Flavio Cotti [Foreign Affairs Minister, Czech Republic] 
     * Cornelio Sommaruga [President, Red Cross Committee, Czech Republic] 
     * Gyorgy Suranyi [President, National Bank of Hungary 


     WESTERN EUROPE AND TURKEY:: 
     * Lord Carrington [Conference chairman: former NATO Secretary-General] 
     * Martti Ahtissaari [Finnish President] 
     * Giovanni Agnelli [Hon. Chairman, Fiat, Italy] 
     * Anders Aslund [Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Sweden] 
     * Francisco Pinto Balscmao [Former Prime Minister of Portugal] 
     * Percy Barnevik [President, ABB Asca Brown Boveri, Sweden] 
     * Queen Beatrix [the Netherlands] 
     * Franco Bernabe [CEO, Ente Nazionale Idrocarburi, Italy] 
     * Carl Bildt [the High representative] 
     * Frits Bolkestein [Liberal Party leader, Netherlands] 
     * Jaime Carvarja Urquito [Chairman, Iberfomento, Spain] 
     * Bertrand Collomb [Chairman, Lafarge, France] 
     * George David [Chairman, Hellenic Bottling, Greece] 
     * Etienne Davignon [Executive Chairman, Societie Generale de Belgique, Belgium] 
     * Gazi Ercel [Central Bank of Turkey] 
     * Emre Gonesay [Governor, Central Bank of Turkey] 
     * Westye Hoegh [Chairman, Leif Hoegh & Co., Norway] 
     * Jan Huyghebaert [Chairman, Almanij-Kredietbank Group, Belgium] 
     * Jaakko Iloniemi [Former Finnish ambassor to U.S.] 
     * Peter Job [Chief Executive, Reuters, Britain] 
     * Lionel Jospin [Socialist Party leader, France] 
     * Dietrich Karner [Chairman, Erste Allgemeine-Generali Aktiengesclischaft, Austria] 
     * Andrew Knight [News Corp., Britain] 
     * Max Kohnstamm [European Policy Centre, Belgium] 
     * Phillipe Maystadt [Finance Minister, Belgium] 
     * Ad P.W. Melkert [Social Affairs Minister, Netherlands] 
     * John Monks [Union Leader, Britain] 
     * Mario Monti [European Commissioner] 
     * Theodoros Pangalos [Foreign Affairs Minister, Greece] 
     * Jan Petersen [Conservative Party leader, Norway] 
     * Malcolm Rifkind [Foreign Secretary, Britain] 
     * Simon Robertson [Chairman, Kleinwort Benson Group, Britain] 
     * Renato Ruggiero [Director-General, World Trade Organization] 
     * Mona Sahlin [Member of Swedish Parliament] 
     * Jurgen Schrempp [Chairman, Daimler-Benz, Germany] 
     * Klaus Schwab [President, World Economic Forum] 
     * Queen Sofia [Spain] 
     * Peter Sutherland [former Director-General, GATT and WTO] 
     * Morris Tabaksblat [Chairman, Unilever, Netherlands] 
     * J. Martin Taylor [Chief Executive, Barclays Bank, Britain] 
     * Franz Vranitzky [Chancellor of Austria] 
     * Antonio Vitorino [Deputy Prime Minister, Portugal] 
     * Karel Vuursteen [Chairman, Heineken, Netherlands] 
     * James Wolfensohn [President, World Bank] 


[url=http://www.freedomdomain.com/secretsocieties/bilder04.html]http://www.freedomdomain.com/secretsocieties/bilder04.html[/url]



Paul Martin and Imasco (his investments in pills and tobacco)



B.A.T. and the buyout of Imasco

Rumours of the impending buyout of the rest of Imasco by B.A.T. woke me up out of a sound sleep today. This time it was the TD Bank, yesterday it was the CIBC. 

Who the hell knows, and why should anyone care? 


Imasco, originally, just Imperial Tobacco Canada swallowed up Shoppers Drug Mart and Canada Trust many years ago. They've given away millions to help Canada's research into diabetes and cancer. Their executives fill the halls of the boards of trustees of many hospitals. CT helps in the annual ride/walk for cancer, and fund millions into environmental causes, and universities. 


[url=http://www.healthwatcher.net/TW/twhotzone.html]http://www.healthwatcher.net/TW/twhotzone.html[/url]



[url=http://www.ehgloo.com/archive/2003/12/01/br031201.htm]http://www.ehgloo.com/archive/2003/12/01/br031201.htm[/url]

"On some points, Dobbin's research is welcome considering the extent to which the mainstream media has let many bygones be bygones. It includes disclosure of Martin's former seat on the board of Imasco, the owner of Imperial Tobacco, now owned by British American Tobacco. It also chronicles in detail Martin's participation on the board of the Canadian Development Corporation while it owned Connaught Laboratories, a key player in the tainted blood scandal of the 1980s. Nonetheless, Dobbin only gets as far as guilt by association, leaving his other assertions in the realm of conjecture and speculation.


Parts of the book are maddeningly digressive as the author uses his clear ideological differences with Martin as a way to promote an alternative economic agenda. The result is a blunting of otherwise well articulated arguments surrounding Martin's overly aggressive and ultimately inflexible strategy to eliminate the deficit and restructure both the federal government and the Canadian economy.


Arguments are repeated multiple times as if to be indoctrinating and little attention is paid to the fact that Canadians clearly agreed with the strategy of the Chrétien government to tackle the deficit. Three majority governments later, albeit at the expense of a pathetically divided opposition, make the proposition that citizens were wholeheartedly against Martin's harsh medicine somewhat difficult to take. Nonetheless, the author does make several convincing points that make it equally difficult to believe that Paul Martin is as committed to Canada's social program infrastructure as he repeatedly claims to be."


[url=http://airspace.bc.ca/bd1196.html]http://airspace.bc.ca/bd1196.html[/url]

"Most recommendations can be applied equally well at the Federal level, where the Liberals are waffling on a promised replacement for 1988's Tobacco Products Control Act, parts of which were struck down by the Supreme Court last year. Even Health Minister David Dingwall hinted on Oct. 24 that the legislation is being stalled by Finance Minister Paul Martin, a former director of IMASCO, which makes two out of every three cigarettes smoked in Canada. This is the very same Paul Martin who virtually single-handedly cut cigarette retail prices in half in Eastern Canada in 1994 within 100 days of being elected. In September AIRSPACE contributed to a national ad campaign to try to save the promised legislation. Please forward a copy of your letter to your MP (check under 'Members of Parliament' in the Blue Pages of your phone book) as well as to the Health Minister. Postage is not required on mail to federal politicians if mailed to: House of Commons, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0A6. Postage is however required on mail to provincial politicians. "




[url=http://airspace.bc.ca/bd0199.html]http://airspace.bc.ca/bd0199.html[/url]




"It's no big mystery why the industry has been so coddled in Canada. The Liberal Party has long had close ties to the industry, going back to 1958, when former Prime Minister Louis St. Laurent became chairman of Rothmans of Pall Mall Canada Ltd. Our present-day finance minister, Paul Martin, used to sit on the board of Imasco Ltd., the company that owns Imperial Tobacco, Canada's largest tobacco company."

[url=http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_12.16.99/news/editorial.html]http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_12.16.99/news/editorial.html[/url]




"Martin, Paul, Minister of Finance, Government of Canada (son of the late Paul Martin Sr. ). LL.B. obtained from the University of Toronto in 1965. Articled with Osler, Hoskin & Harcourt before being called to the law Society of Upper Canada in 1966. Former President and chief executive officer of Canada Steamship Lines. Prior to his first election to the Canadian Parliament in 1988, Mr. Martin held several corporate directorships including Redpath Industries Incorporated, Imasco Corporation, Power Corporation of Canada and Consolidated Bathurst Limited. Lost a bid to become leader of the Liberal Party of Canada at the political organization's national convention held in 1990 (leadership won by Jean Chretien). "

[url=http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:bpu2kdgtBEAJ:wwlia.org/cawhosmn.htm+"Paul+Martin"+"Imasco"&hl=en&ie=UTF-8]http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:bpu2kdgtBEAJ:wwlia.org/cawhosmn.htm+"Paul+Martin"+"Imasco"&hl=en&ie=UTF-8[/url]










Paul Martin and Iraq



POIGNANT PROTEST: McMaster University student Leah Dolmage, 22, places a baby doll, which represents Iraqi children dying because of a lack of food and medical supplies, at the feet of federal Finance Minister Paul Martin and Heritage Minister Sheila Copps yesterday at McMaster. Students were protesting Canada's support of economic sanctions against Iraq. A baby was placed on the floor every 10 minutes - the frequency at which the protesters say Iraqi children are dying. Scott Gardner, The Spectator
 
[url=http://www.hwcn.org/link/hasc/iraq.htm]http://www.hwcn.org/link/hasc/iraq.htm[/url]

 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Anonimice: The Rockefeller puppets in these forums
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 793181 
31 Jan 2004 22:51:19
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Good sources for the last post - just one thing. The only thing the last post says is that they are very rich and influencial. That's true.

But I never argued against that. I've stated before that the points of contention are 1) Do jewish people "control the world"?

The answer, again, is NO. White anglo-saxon protestants rule the world. Here, again, is the proof;

www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer

 


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Conspiracy Corner
Re: How powerful is Rothschild? Their history here:
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 793156 
31 Jan 2004 22:27:35
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http://www.wealth4freedom.com/Rothschild2.html

Your buddy quotes from George Armstrong's "The Rothchild Money Trust" - a book with very few sources, no index and - get this - it takes the racist - written-by-the-Czar's-anti-jew-squad "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" at face value. That's who you're quoting.

It's a book so laden with lies, it has no publisher (no admitted publisher) - it just says "By George Armstrong". I guess the name is a psudoname, and the publisher, no doubt, didn't want to get sued for libel.

It's about as far away from "credible source" as you can get.

Try again.


 
 


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Terrorism and Drug War
Re: Anonimice: The Rockefeller puppets in these forums
davidmalmolevine
CC forums no. 793152 
31 Jan 2004 22:24:42
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http://www.wealth4freedom.com/Rothschild2.html

Your buddy quotes from George Armstrong's "The Rothchild Money Trust" - a book with very few sources, no index and - get this - it takes the racist - written-by-the-Czar's-anti-jew-squad "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" at face value. That's who you're quoting.

It's a book so laden with lies, it has no publisher (no admitted publisher) - it just says "By George Armstrong". I guess the name is a psudoname, and the publisher, no doubt, didn't want to get sued for libel.

It's about as far away from "credible source" as you can get.

Try again.


 


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