The following are excerpts from Leslie Van Houten's trial testimony: "I had a knife and Patricia had a knife. We just started stabbing and cutting up the lady." "I stabbed her. I don't know if it was before or after death but I stabbed her." When asked if she felt sorry, she answered: "That's only a five-letter word. It can't bring back anyone." "What can I feel? It's happened. She's gone. You can't undo something that's done." When asked if she felt ashamed, she replied "What is ashamed?" When asked if she felt like crying, she replied "For her death? If I cry, it's for death itself. She's not the only person who died." The following excerpt is from "Helter Skelter:" In interviewing Dianne, I learned a number of things which hadn’t come out in her earlier interviews. While they were in the desert together, at Willow Springs, Patricia Krenwinkel had told her that she had dragged Abigail Folger from the bedroom into the living room of the Tate residence. And Leslie Van Houten, after admitting to her that she had stabbed someone, had commented that at first she had been reluctant to do so, but then she’d discovered the more you stabbed, the more fun it was. Another excerpt from "Helter Skelter:" By the time I’d finished my cross-examination on this, Leslie had admitted that Rosemary might still have been alive when she stabbed her; and that she not only stabbed her in the buttocks and possibly the neck, but "I could have done a couple on the back." (As I’d later remind the jury, many of the back wounds were not post-mortem, while one, which severed Rosemary LaBianca’s spine, would have been in and of itself fatal.)