Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history,talk.politics.misc Subject: LEST WE FORGET: David Irving - Liar or Fraud? (1) Reply-To: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA Keywords: Irving Those who cite David Irving to strengthen their Holocaust denial have yet to comment on various quotes from his book, some of which are reproduced below, and in subsequent articles. The problem, of course, is that Mr. Irving is either a liar (he now denies the Holocaust, but, as you will see, researched it in depth and documented its horrors in his book) or a fraud. He either lied when he wrote the following words, or he is lying now - take your pick.... "....But the SS authorities, Gauleiters, and regional commissars and governors in "the east" proved wholly unequal to the problems caused by this mass uprooting in midwar. The Jews were brought by trainloads to ghettos already overcrowded and underprovisioned. Partly in collusion with each other, partly independently, the Nazi agencies there simply liquidated the deportees as their trains arrived, on a scale increasingly more methodical and more regimented as the months passed. A subsidiary motive in the atrocity was the animal desire of the murderers to loot and plunder the Jewish victims and conceal their traces. (This hypothesis does not include the methodical liquidation of Russian Jews during the "Barbarosa" invasion of 1941..)" ------------------------------------------ "Hitler's War," DAVID IRVING, 1977, p. xiv ------------------------------------------ "The controversial British historian David Irving was sentenced in Munich to pay a fine of 10,000 D-Mark for stating that the gas chambers in Auschwitz were fakes to attract tourists. The 54 year old Irving is commonly dismissed as a revisionist and defender of the Third Reich but he has a small and faithful congregation." (From the swedish morning paper Svenska Dagbladet 7/5-92.) For an extensive (over 1000 references listed) bibliography of material dealing with the Holocaust, send your request to me via kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca and I will send you the list within 24 hours. For a small but growing collection of quotes like the Irving material above, in either zipped or tar'd form, just let me know how you want them...