Damn It I Want To Case...
|Posted by: steveoi812 Nov 07 02, 04:57 PM GMT|
|I only have one BIG rubbermaid container. I bag and a half of perlite. I have plenty of lil rubbermaids though. I cant seem to find coir anywhere around here. I just knocked up these pesas/hawaiins about three days ago. I want to start a new era in my mushroom growing career. I am starting to lose intrest in fruiting cakes. I have low confidence in doing casings for unknown reasons, yet they look so great and fun. I want to case so badd I cant stand it anymore. I just need to know all the lil ins and outs of the whole process. When I am colonizing my jars I start exposing them to light at about 80%. When I am going to case should I not expose my jars to light like I would do if I were fruiting them as cakes? Is all of the extra work involved in casings worth the time? What about humidity? Is it as hard as I am thinking it is? Can somebody please tell me in exact detail the hows, whens, and wheres of their casing tek. Come on do steveo a favor. I know I could probably just go over to the topia and read through the archives but I would prefer to hear it from someone in xact detail. Sometimes I dont get the picture from reading the archives. I might be a lil slow or something. Thanks guys...|
|Posted by: DirtyWOP Nov 07 02, 05:04 PM GMT|
| NO dude
casings are not hard
you got it
I'm willing to bet you'll get it right the first time
just grab a tek and go
trying is how you REALLY learn the ins-and-outs
|Posted by: Smerd Nov 07 02, 05:25 PM GMT|
| I've never cased either, but I think you don't want to expose cakes to light at 80 percent because you don't want pins on cakes you plan to case. I think you let 'em colonize 100 percent beforehand. The pins - I think I read this somewhere - are food for naughty contams when cased.
Good luck - I'll give it a whirl someday.
|Posted by: Eyebooger Nov 07 02, 05:58 PM GMT|
|My first casing was two 1/2 pints sliced up and placed on a bed of verm. Over this I put 50:50 verm:compost. It was so easy! You'll love it. Although I only got one flush before contams hit (I was still watering the thing like a cake) it was still fun. Don't expose the jars to light, make the casing, cover it and put it away for a week, put it in your chamber...end of story. I know there are more issues such as overlay but that can be figured out as you go|
|Posted by: sooshane Nov 07 02, 07:09 PM GMT|
| Yea, no worries Steve,
They are not that difficult.
I really like to use straw.
One way I do it is to pasteurize some straw.
Drain quickly. Put straw in to a large ziplock
seal, let cool. Throw in a cake use a little bleach
misting, seal bag and crumble cake inside.
Break the cake into small marble sized or smaller
pieces. Mix well.
I take one part soil to one part verm. Mix with
water till moist then sterilize. I have a lot of soil
and verm so that's what I use mostly. Lots of other
good stuff like coco coir. I use 9x5" aluminum pans
with a lot of small 18 gauge or holes in the bottom.
Put a thin layer of casing on the bottom about 1"
and your straw then about 1" of casing on top.
I lightly bleach mist the casing layers also.
Put it a way for a week or so.
Watch the temp, humidity
and give it lots of air.
Then watch the magic grow
Pretty simple, works for me
|Posted by: steveoi812 Nov 07 02, 07:10 PM GMT|
| Thanks bunches you guys! It's over with I have made my decision after what seems like months of debate. I will case using 50/50 method. Casings just look so great in some of the pics I've seen. I just hope I dont waste my cakes!!! I have some of the best here to help me so I should be ok... Once again thanks...
|Posted by: steveoi812 Nov 07 02, 07:14 PM GMT|
|Oh yea they have big ole bails of straw at wall mart for like 5 bucks or less. I might want to pick up one of those and give it a shot, it dont sound that bad. Does the straw provide nutritional qualities to the myc?|
|Posted by: sooshane Nov 07 02, 08:24 PM GMT|
| There ya go then.
Keep us up dated and take lots of pics if ya can.
|Posted by: DirtyWOP Nov 07 02, 08:54 PM GMT|
you bet your ass it does!
Not only do you get the larger mycelial mass you get the extra food from the straw....bigger fruit
you should try straight verm your first time around
if you get the green your first time around it might shock you forever
so keep it simple.....
sterilize your verm if you want, or just take it right from the bag and add distilled water until it only squeezes a few drops in your fist....
spread it even, but rough....
that sounds like an oxymoron, but it's good advice for a good pinset....
pins like to form on a rough porous surface. You can take a sterilized fork and rough the verm up a little, as long as the casing stays even, depth-wise.
|Posted by: steveoi812 Nov 07 02, 09:00 PM GMT|
|super sweet! I am going to try and get into this using baby steps then. I have yet to encounter the mean grean,(crosses fingers). The only contams I've had as of yet is cobweb and yeast. Either wich way casing here I come...Thanks for all the replies you guys...Talk about a confidence booster...|
|Posted by: Derby Nov 07 02, 10:01 PM GMT|
|I'm in the same boat as SteveO, I'm assuming you grind up the straw really good, like in a blender or something?|
|Posted by: sooshane Nov 07 02, 10:15 PM GMT|
| I just cut the straw up with scissors,
till the straw is about 1" long or less.
|Posted by: ShroomVator Nov 08 02, 12:14 PM GMT|
| I'm telling you, bro, I just started casing and I've fallen in love with it. Start with the hongus casing. Its easy, its sweet, and it works like a charm, every time. I actually started casing because I find the trichs to be a little too pervasive around my terrarium. With the Vermiculite casing, shrooms burst out quickly and big AND as an added bonus, it provides a protective layer against contams. Recasing is easy and quick and 2nd, 3rd flushes are big and bad. From 2-cake hongus casings (2 of them, first flush), I got about 20 dried grams. I've made some 4-cake casings now and will look forward to results.
|Posted by: DirtyWOP Nov 08 02, 12:58 PM GMT|
| thats one hell of a yield vator!
20 g dry from a 2 cake casing! first flush!?!?!
|Posted by: ShroomVator Nov 08 02, 01:37 PM GMT|
| From 2, 2-cake casings. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was still impressed.
|Posted by: Smerd Nov 08 02, 05:39 PM GMT|
| Somewhat related, I'm thinking of trying hongus casing (two cakes per). Two questions.
1. Should the cakes be dunked before being broken apart and cased, or is the moist casing adequate?
2. I read that for straw casing people chuck the cakes in a blender then mix it in w/pasteurized straw "slurry." Since with hongus casing it's important to get layers level, and since smaller bits of mycellium are more easily leveled than are larger chunks, would blenderized, colonized mycellium work in the hongus cake (rather than larger, say 3/4-inch, chunks)?
Any guidance is appreciated. Peace.
|Posted by: ShroomVator Nov 08 02, 05:44 PM GMT|
| I finally feel like I can answer a question with some idea what I'm talking about. Hongus is so basic. Use 50 ml of water per cup of vermiculite. Squeeze the vermiculite after mixing it well. Should just slightly drip water. Finer vermiculite needs more water, maybe an extra 50-75 ml of water per layer (top and bottom). All you have to do is break 'em up in your hands and try to pack it down a little so the casing is basically even before you put the top 1/4-1/2 " layer on. Don't compress the top layer.
If you use one of those aluminum cake pans with loose-snap-on plastic lid (availible because of the holidays, to a greater extent than normal), the moisture collects on the top and the casing humidifes itself perfectly. I like to wait until the mushrooms reach the top of the plastic lid before uncovering and putting in the terrarium.
Also, I sterilize the aluminum pans in a 500 degree oven for 10 minutes and i microwave all the mixing bowls and lids for 2-3 minutes.
|Posted by: sooshane Nov 08 02, 06:55 PM GMT|
You sure can, Probably not completely necessary but, I don't see the harm.
Sure you can blend it. But I normally just chuck it in to a Ziploc bag and crumble.
|Posted by: steveoi812 Nov 12 02, 07:18 PM GMT|
|Ok I went out and bought another rubbermaid today. I also picked up another aquarium pump and airstone to. If I make a bunch a casings and put them in this new rubbermaid without the addition of perlite and replaced with a jar of water and airstone would this be good? I cut a hole in the top of the rubbermaid and placed a piece of plexi glass on it. During the colonization of the casing layer I can just place the whole bin in a dark closet and wait. Then when the time comes I can turn on the lights for pinning. Does this sound good to you casers out there?|
|Posted by: sooshane Nov 12 02, 07:31 PM GMT|
| Sounds like a plan steveo!!
I thought about putting polyfill in the tube.
to clean the air. Anyone do this? I found this
too. It's a water back flow stopper. Open it
up throw in some pollyfill.
|Posted by: steveoi812 Nov 12 02, 08:00 PM GMT|
|Sounds like a plan man. I just use plain ole tap water mixed with a lil h2o2 or bleach. Probably not as effective as your idea though. Might have to look into that one...|
|Posted by: sooshane Nov 12 02, 08:04 PM GMT|
| Yea, on second thought Polly fill would probably just restrict the air flow
and make the pump work harder....
|Posted by: steveoi812 Nov 12 02, 08:09 PM GMT|
|But if you could put the pump into some kind of small enclosed container stuffed with polyfill it would probably work just as good.|
|Posted by: sooshane Nov 12 02, 08:11 PM GMT|
I had the same idea Steveo.
I like the way you think!
|Posted by: Derby Nov 12 02, 10:32 PM GMT|
| You guys are an inspiration! Thanks for your input shroomvator, much appreciated. I will prolly be embarking on a casing sometime after the holidays..