Graft Alkaloid Content

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Posted by: RBX Jul 31 03, 02:05 AM GMT
What is the purpose of grafting, I mean, I know it makes the loph grow faster, but how does it affect alk content in the cactus. Does it raise it in the pedro, or lower it in the loph, or do they reach some kind of equilibrium?

Posted by: CockyMandrill Jul 31 03, 02:09 AM GMT
they grow as seperate species, but sometimes the peyote isnt as potent as normal because it grew faster instead of making alkaloids, but after it matures im sure that it cam become as potent as normal peyote.

Posted by: RBX Jul 31 03, 02:20 AM GMT
I just don't understand how 1 cactus can grow as 2 seperate cacti. They share the same roots, how could they not be the same organism? Does the loph take on a sort of parasitic relationship?

Excuse my ignorance to this subject, I'm not very knowledgable on cactus.

Posted by: Nanook Jul 31 03, 03:21 AM GMT
Peyote gets vascular fluids from the Pedro rootstock... Really they are no different from the vascular fluids they get from Peyote roots... All the chemistry occurs in the skin... And the skin, the tissue under the skin, flowers, fruit... Everything above the graft point... Is true peyote.

And a 2 year old mother button grown from a tiny pup, into a mature, baby producing mother... in 2 years... Is really not much less potent, if any less potent at all, than a 20 year old button grown in the wild.

If you feed them, water them, and give them lots of sun... They can develop excellent potency after a couple of years as grafts.

Posted by: ion Jul 31 03, 04:32 PM GMT
The graft isn't a parasite. It's more of a symbiotic relationship... the graft acts as the new tip of the stock cactus. It grows, produces auxin, absorbs sunlight, etc. just like the original tip of the cactus would do. The stock provides the root nutrients to its tip, so that it can grow upward... the scion simply replaces this upward growth with whatever kind of growth the scion would do as a rooted cactus. Think of the scion as a tip of the columnar cactus that has decided to go cristate... it looks really weird, but it still does its job as a part of the cactus. wink.gif

The potency of grafted peyote is still going to be greater than that of any other cactus... just because of its natural tendency to produce large amounts of alkaloids. It will be slightly less potent (by unit weight) than a rooted specimen, simply because the alkaloids don't have as much time to accumulate in the older flesh... there is always new growth happening, and thus new surface area for alkaloid production. You get more active flesh in a shorter span of time, but that flesh is slightly less concentrated with alkaloids... so it pretty much balances out. wink.gif

However, there is a point when the button will stop growing. Just like anything, it has a genetically determined maximum size... it won't just keep expanding in size forever as a graft, just like it won't do that on its own roots. At this point (and usually earlier, in fact) it will produce pups and flowers. Since the mother plant has stopped increasing in size, but is still alive, the alkaloids begin to accumulate in the flesh. The pups continue to grow, producing alkaloids and new flesh as described in the 2nd paragraph, and the mother just sits there becoming more and more concentrated. biggrin.gif


Posted by: Nanook Jul 31 03, 04:42 PM GMT
Two+ year old blue/purple mothers are just as potent as wild grandfather buttons.

Posted by: entheopharm Jul 31 03, 05:07 PM GMT
Cool! biggrin.gif Potency vs. Growth rate. This is very good information on a subject which I was somewhat unclear on. As usual I feel enriched by the masters of cacti.

Posted by: ion Jul 31 03, 05:17 PM GMT
Yeeessss... puurrppllle... drool.gif

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