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Posted by: Mycota Nov 26 02, 02:53 AM GMT
Psilocybe Cubensis are habitat specific. Meaning, they cannot grow in the wild, unless their habitat provides a suitable environment, along with sufficient natural nutrients. Over the millennia, they have evolved inherent genetic traits best suited for their continuous survival in specific geographic area's they successfully inhabit.

All fungi feed by absorption of nutrients. Because of the huge range of potential nutrient sources, fungi evolved enzymes suitable for the specific environments in which they are generally found. The range of enzymes, though wide in may species, is not sufficient for survival in all environments.

Psilocybe Cubensis excrete a complex array of genetically predetermined enzymes for digestion. The enzymes are present in multiple forms, based on a single inherent genetic sequence, and include a range of isoenzymes, which arise from different inherent genetic sequences.

Simply stated, Psilocybe Cubensis excrete enzymes into the organic material in which their underground mycelia (root) system naturally grow. Those enzymes degrade nutrients there, into simple soluble forms of sugars and amino acids, which are then easily absorbed into the mycelia network. Resulting in them acquiring all essential elements with which to grow fruit bodies, and spores (seed) by which they propagate their species.

It is common knowledge that most strains of Psilocybe Cubensis flourish in select warm moist habitats worldwide, associated where horses, cattle and water buffalo naturally spread bovine type manure. Consequently, Psilocybe Cubensis developed inherent genetic traits, enabling then to excrete specific enzymes best suited to enable them to specifically dissolve, digest and take up nutrients available from bovine type manure, and/or soil enriched with it.

Therefore, Psilocybe Cubensis own inherent genetic traits attest that bovine type manure alone, or soils highly enriched with it, is best suited to their nutrient needs, in the wild.

Taking that fact, one step further. Aged leached dry bovine type manure, when aerobically composted together with a percentage of other select fruits, vegetables, grains and straw provides an even more enriched super nutrient source for cultivation of Psilocybe Cubensis . Moreover, a compost of this type provides an ideal moist subsurface habitat (substrate) that, Psilocybe Cubensis mycelia will colonize faster than any other.


Posted by: DirtyWOP Nov 26 02, 04:09 PM GMT

Aged leached dry bovine type manure, when aerobically composted together with a percentage of other select fruits, vegetables...

fruits and veggies in the mushroom compost?
never heard of it.
Which ones?

Posted by: Mycota Nov 26 02, 04:47 PM GMT
A small amount of banana's, tomatoes (contains trypo's), apples, mellons, sugar beets (contains raw natural sugars) & a few others. Hot air popped popcorn is also a good additive. Mycota

Posted by: Fungusmaximus Nov 26 02, 09:48 PM GMT
What about dried corn husks? Any value?

Know anything about bee pollen and mushies?

Posted by: Nanook Nov 26 02, 09:57 PM GMT
I have had poor luck with corn products in substrate. My advice, avoid them.

Posted by: Mycota Nov 27 02, 12:22 AM GMT
Sorry to hear you had /have bad luck with anything containing corn. In small amounts, in the right form, I find it helps to optimize nutes in various spawm or substrate uses.

Hot air popped popcorn has a lot of nutes & other good things in it. Below is from the usda. Also, there are several mushroom spawm additive patents that contain corn. It must be cooked, or degraded to be of use to shrooms.

Nutritional Data for 100 grams of; POPCORN, AIR-POPPED
Mean value per 100.00 grams edible part; 0.0% refuse
Portions: 1 OZ = 28.35 gm, 1 C = 8.00 gm
10.1% Cals from fat, 13.1% Cals from protein, 76.7% Cals from carbs.

Male Female
Name Unit Amount %RDA %RDA
Food energy KCal: 382.000 13.2% 17.4%
Protein Gms : 12.000 19.0% 24.0%
Total lipid (fat) Gms : 4.200 4.3% 5.7%
Carbohydrate, by diff. Gms : 77.900 16.6% 23.3%
Total saturated fat Gms : 0.570 1.8% 2.3%
Ttl monounsaturated fat Gms : 1.100
Ttl polyunsaturated fat Gms : 1.900
Cholesterol Mg : 0.000 0.0% 0.0%
Sodium Mg : 4.000 0.8% 0.8%
Total dietary fiber Gms : 15.100 60.4% 60.4%
Vitamin A Re : 20.000 2.0% 2.5%
Vitamin A IU : 196.000
Ascorbic acid Mg : 0.000 0.0% 0.0%
Thiamin Mg : 0.203 13.5% 18.5%
Riboflavin Mg : 0.283 16.6% 21.8%
Niacin Mg : 1.944 10.2% 13.0%
Vitamin B6 Mg : 0.245 12.2% 15.3%
Folacin Mcg : 23.000 11.5% 12.8%
Vitamin B12 Mcg : 0.000 0.0% 0.0%
Potassium Mg : 301.000 15.1% 15.1%
Calcium Mg : 10.000 1.2% 1.2%
Phosphorus Mg : 300.000 37.5% 37.5%
Magnesium Mg : 131.000 37.4% 46.8%
Iron Mg : 2.660 26.6% 17.7%
Zinc Mg : 3.440 22.9% 28.7%
Pantothenic acid Mg : 0.420 8.4% 8.4%
Copper Mg : 0.420 21.0% 21.0%
Manganese Mg : 0.943 26.9% 26.9%
Ash Gms : 1.800
Water Gms : 4.100
Food energy KJ : 1598.000
Palmitic acid (16:0) Gms : 0.500
Stearic acid (18:0) Gms : 0.070
Palmitoleic acid(16:1) Gms : 0.000
Oleic acid (18:1) Gms : 1.100
Linoleic acid (18:2/n6) Gms : 1.840 28.8% 37.6%
Linolenic acid(18:3/n3) Gms : 0.060 3.8% 5.0%
Histidine Gms : 0.367 38.6% 48.3%
Isoleucine Gms : 0.431 54.6% 68.4%
Leucine Gms : 1.473 132.7% 167.4%
Lysine Gms : 0.338 35.6% 44.5%
Methionine Gms : 0.252
Cystine Gms : 0.217
Methionine+Cystine Gms : 0.469 45.5% 57.2%
Phenylalanine Gms : 0.590
Tyrosine Gms : 0.488
Phenylalanine+Tyrosine Gms : 1.078 97.1% 122.5%
Threonine Gms : 0.452 82.2% 51.4%
Tryptophan Gms : 0.085 30.4% 38.6%
Valine Gms : 0.607 76.8% 96.3%
Arginine Gms : 0.598
Alanine Gms : 0.900
Aspartic acid Gms : 0.836
Glutamic acid Gms : 2.255
Glycine Gms : 0.492
@Y: 1.048
Serine Gms : 0.571
Protein Score: 100, 43% ideal. EAA score: 1.59.
Limiting Amino Acid: Tryptophan

Posted by: Mycota Nov 27 02, 12:26 AM GMT
QUOTE (Fungusmaximus @ Nov 27 02, 02:48 AM GMT)
What about dried corn husks? Any value?

Know anything about bee pollen and mushies?

Dry corn husks add lignin (a good thing). Bee pollen contains lots of raw complex sugars, as does dry light malt. I use dry light malt, about the way you appear to use bee pollen. Interesting. I will have to give it a shuffle & see how it goes. Mycota

Posted by: Fungusmaximus Nov 27 02, 09:02 PM GMT
Be sure and use the granules. wink.gif

Also, w/ my corn husks should I shred them like straw? And how should they be used? Amount etc.

I saw them at the store one day, read the package over and thought that surely they had some sort of nutritional value.


Posted by: Mycota Nov 27 02, 09:46 PM GMT
I thought you were talking about a type of corn husk "silage". Meaning, large amounts of farm style corn stalks, husks, leaves & such, used as a "fodder" feed mix, for cattle.

What is it -- you are talking about?


Posted by: Fungusmaximus Dec 03 02, 10:47 PM GMT
The same, corn husks to make tamales. Dried, of course.

Hey, Ive got a buddy who grows bionic buds and he told me he uses a "mushroom compost" he buys by the truckload (pickup). Anyway he said I could take as much as I wanted, but it was raining so I said I'd wait.
What are good ingriedents to look for in a good mushroom compost??

Posted by: Fred Garvin Dec 03 02, 11:00 PM GMT
Mushroom compost is usually spent compost that has been used to grow mushrooms already. I have not personally used it, but I have never seen a positive post regarding it. I could be wrong of course.

Posted by: Fungusmaximus Dec 03 02, 11:16 PM GMT
Nahh, I dont think that is what this is... unsure.gif

Posted by: Nanook Dec 04 02, 01:05 AM GMT
"Mushroom Compost" is usually the spent substrate from commerical mushroom production. It is depleted, do not use it.

Also, I have had not so good luck with substrates containing corn products. Perhaps composting them takes care of this, but for me corn products reduces fruiting.

Posted by: Bob Roberts Dec 04 02, 11:25 AM GMT
An interesting possibility for spent substrate is to flush it thoroughly three times to leach the salts out. Re-sterilize it and use it for casing. A 5 gallon bucket can be used to accomplish this.

This technique has been useful to more than one person who lives in the concrete jungle and can't obtain things like this so easily.

Posted by: Mycota Dec 04 02, 12:55 PM GMT
QUOTE (Fungusmaximus @ Dec 04 02, 03:47 AM GMT)
The same, corn husks to make tamales. Dried, of course.

Hey, Ive got a buddy who grows bionic buds and he told me he uses a "mushroom compost" he buys by the truckload (pickup). Anyway he said I could take as much as I wanted, but it was raining so I said I'd wait.
What are good ingriedents to look for in a good mushroom compost??

If you "Bud" is growing "Bud's" in it. It is "spent" mushroom compost, for sure.

Because, any fresh (unspent) mushroom compost -- would be to "hot", thus not a good growing meduim for herb.


Posted by: Mycota Dec 04 02, 01:06 PM GMT
QUOTE (Nanook @ Dec 04 02, 06:05 AM GMT)

>>>>>Also, I have had not so good luck with substrates containing corn products. Perhaps composting them takes care of this, but for me corn products reduces fruiting.<<<<<

I agree with Nan. In general, any corn byproduct (stocks - leaves & such) is not suitable as a mushroom substrate. Unless it is very well bio/degraded. As in so well composted, until you cannot even recognize what it was. Even then, it should be mixed with a very high % of other well bio/degraded material, such as wheat straw, horse & cow manure.


Posted by: Fungusmaximus Dec 05 02, 10:32 AM GMT

Damn, so the compost isn't what I'm after sad.gif
I thought for sure that I had a good one too!
How do I get some of your specially formulated compost??
I need something....

Posted by: T Razza Dec 05 02, 04:25 PM GMT
Here's some more info on corn... it would seem to be just as effective as straw since they are both grasses.

Maize is a gigantic domesticated grass [Zea mays ssp. mays] of tropical Mexican origin. The plant is used to produce grain and fodder that are the basis of a number of food, feed, pharmaceutical and industrial manufactures. Cultivation of maize and the elaboration of its food products are inextricably bound with the rise of pre-Colombian Mesoamerican civilizations. Due to its adaptability and productivity the culture of maize spread rapidly around the globe after Spaniards and other Europeans exported the plant from the Americas in the 15th and 16th centuries. Maize is currently produced in most countries of the world and is the third most planted field crop (after wheat and rice). The bulk of maize production occurs in the United States, Peoples Republic of China, and Brazil, which together account for 73% of the annual global production of 456.2 million tons. Mexico, the world's fourth largest producer of maize, currently produces approximately 14 million tons of grain annually on 6.5 million hectares (3% of world production on 5% of the world's land devoted to maize production).


Maize is a tall, determinate annual plant producing large, narrow, opposing leaves (about a tenth as wide as they are long), borne alternately along the length of a solid stem. Aside from its size, a distinguishing feature of this grass is the separation of the sexes among its flowering structures. Unlike other grasses, which produce perfect (bisexual) flowers, maize produces male inflorescences (tassels) which crown the plant at the stem apex, and female inflorescences (ears) which are borne at the apex of condensed lateral branches protruding from leaf axils. The male (staminate) inflorescence, a loose panicle, produces pairs of free spikelets each enclosing a fertile and a sterile floret. The female (pistillate) inflorescence, a spike, produces pairs of spikelets on the surface of a highly condensed rachis (central axis, or "cob"). Each of the female spikelets encloses two fertile florets, one of whose ovaries will mature into a maize kernel once sexually fertilized by wind-blown pollen.

The individual maize grain is botanically a caryopsis, a dry fruit containing a single seed fused to the inner tissues of the fruit case. The seed contains two sister structures, a germ from which a new plant will develop, and an endosperm which will provide nutrients for that germinating seedling until the seedling establishes sufficient leaf area to become autotrophic.

The germ consists of a miniature plant axis, including approximately five embryonic leaves, a radicle, from which the root system will develop, and an attached seed leaf (scutellum). The germ is the source of maize "vegetable oil" (total oil content of maize grain is 4% by weight). The endosperm occupies about two thirds of a maize kernel's volume and accounts for approximately 86% of its dry weight. The primary component of endosperm is starch, together with 10% bound protein (gluten), and this stored starch is the basis of the maize kernel's nutritional uses. Whole, ground maize meal has an energetic value of 3,578 calories per kilogram.

The vaunted productivity of maize is due to its large leaf area and to a modification of its photosynthetic pathway. This modification (shared by other tropical species adapted to survive periods of drought stress), is known as the "C4 syndrome," and consists of an efficient mechanism for the exchange of water vapor for atmospheric carbon dioxide. As a result of this mechanism, C4 species can produce more dry matter per unit of water transpired than can plants endowed with the conventional (C3) photosynthetic pathway.

Maize is primarily a cross-pollinating species, a feature that has contributed to its broad morphological variability and geographic adaptability. Maize varieties may range from 0.5 to 5 meters standing height at flowering, mature in 60 to 330 days from planting, produce 1 to 4 ears per plant, 10 to 1,800 kernels per ear and yield from 0.5 to 23.5 tons of grain per hectare. Kernels may be colorless (white) or yellow, red, blue or variegated with these colors in mottled or striated patterns. The crop, which is produced from 50 latitude N to 40 S, is adapted to desertic and high rainfall environments, and to elevations ranging from 0 to 4,000 meters above sea level.

Posted by: Mycota Dec 05 02, 06:42 PM GMT
QUOTE (T Razza @ Dec 05 02, 09:25 PM GMT)
>>>> it would seem to be just as effective as straw since they are both grasses.<<<<

Not so. (said kindly).

Because corn stalks, cobs, husks & leaves have a rather heavy wax like coating. Moreover, stalks & cobs (alone) are HUGE, in relation to the size of wheat straw and/or whatever lignin / cellulose vegitative matter that remains in horse or cow manure.

Myc feeds by releasing enzymes to degrade / digest organic matter into a solution it can absorb. The purpose of COMPOSTING bulk material is to bio/degrade it to the point, MYC can absorb the available nutrients with ease, quickly. The advantage for the cultivator being rapid substrate colonization & fruiting.

Corn stalks, cobs & leaves do not bio/degrade rapidly, because of their size & nature. Consiquently, myc cannot disolve or digest the nutrients available in corn stalk materials - with ease, or quickly.

One could run corn stalks through a chipper / shredder to cut them down to a size that would allow them to bio/degrade more rapidly. But, the cost & handling of doing so, would be prohibitive.

The proof of that is demonstrated by commercial cultivators use of primarily wheat straw & horse / cow manure as the bulk of what goes into the compost they custom blend for mushroom production. If corn stalks were better, they would use them. They don't. That tells me something.

Again, said kindly. Mycota wink.gif

Posted by: Nanook Dec 05 02, 09:27 PM GMT
I would tend to agree with Mycota there, and add that in my experiments with corn meal suppliments and corn cob material for both substrate and casings were resounding failures. It does not fruit, even tho they may colonize well.

Corn sux period. Stay away from corn products in shroom cultivation is my advice. An opinion mind you...

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