San Pedro Grower's Guide
|Posted by: Fungusmaximus Jul 29 03, 03:07 PM GMT|
San Pedro Grower's Guide
From my limited experience with San Pedro cactus, I can definitely state that the San Pedro high is very different from LSD or psilocybin. The emotional impact is closer to MDA. I personally find San Pedro to be less visual than either LSD or psilocybin, although others have described pure mescaline as being more visual than either. There is something of an amphetamine like central stimulation, coupled with a general physical sense of sedation and fatigue. For me, the effects are generally characterized by a contrast of opposites: a simultaneous feeling of stimulation and sedation, of physical restlessness and fatigue, of increased emotional sensitivity and emotional inhibition. The effects last longer than for either LSD or psilocybin, and take longer to take effect. In my experience, the first significant effects do not occur for over an hour after ingestion, and the effect gradually intensifies up to the three hour point or beyond. The plateau is broad and long lasting, and it is difficult to pinpoint when the effects begin to wear off. It can be difficult to sleep even 12 hours after ingestion. The effects of San Pedro can generally be described by "mild" and "mellow", and this is somewhat dose independent. Although the visual and mental effects do increase gradually with higher doses, the underlying physical symptoms seem to increase at a higher rate, so that very high doses may cause a "toxic reaction" type of trip (by which I mean that the subject remains focused on uncomfortable physical sensations -- the sense of having been "poisoned"). All of this description may be specific to San Pedro cactus, as discussed above.
Regardless of the type of the mescaline, several sources advise that the ingestion be spaced out over a thirty minute period. This reduces the potential impact of nausea. Note: nausea is an intrinsic characteristic of pure mescaline itself, and so cannot be avoided entirely. In my experience with San Pedro, nausea is strongest between about two hours and four hours after ingestion, and largely goes away by five hours after ingestion. Mescaline containing cactus have an intensely disagreeable bitter flavor. Some people react more strongly to this flavor than others. For this reason, many people may be tempted to "slam it down" as quickly as possible... but this can lead to more severe nausea. On the other hand, spacing the ingestion out over a period much longer than 30 minutes can cause more nausea as the intensely disagreeable flavor is made even worse by the beginning mental and physical effects of the mescaline ingested at first. (This is from the personal experience of a friend who spread it over an hour and a half.)
Peyote, the traditional source of mescaline, is a very slow growing cactus which I think is actually illegal to cultivate or possess in the USA (except for members of the Native American Indian Church, in certain states). It is native to central Mexico and southwest Texas, but is so rare as to be an endangered species. I have no experience with peyote, and the bulk of this file is really concerned with Trichocereus cacti.
The main reason for doing this is probably to obtain T. peruvianus, since T. pachanoi is a common landscaping cactus and easily obtainable as large specimens. See the section on species above. You should keep in mind that it will take at least a year to get a plant large enough for one dose, and unless you are using year round high intensity growth lights (such as used for pot cultivation) coupled with an ideal watering and fertilizing schedule, you can expect to wait two years. Growing >From seed requires patience, knowledge, and experience. There are many techniques... if you are going to invest the time required for this, you should read up on several of them. Egdar and Brian Lamb's "Pocket Encyclopedia of Cacti In Color" contains a very extensive discussion of cactus growing in general, and growing from seed in particular. I do have one immediate suggestion for those of you growing from seed now: be very careful with the use of fungicides and other chemicals! In particular, I suspect Daconil, the ingredient in Ortho multi-purpose fungicide, of inhibiting seedling growth, even when used in high dilution. A fungicide which I have seen recommended for use with cactus seeds is *Chinosol*.
This section is directed at Trichocereus pachanoi (San Pedro) and Trichocereus peruvianus. The growth paramaters for these catus are the same. They are different than most columnar cacti in that they grow very rapidly, and enjoy a somewhat richer soil mix and more frequent waterings than most cacti. They are quite hardy, and will grow successfully in a wide range of conditions (I have seen very large, vigorous specimens growing unattended in the back of grass covered lawns, planted directly in the lawn soil, watered by the lawn's automatic sprinkler system). However, to achieve maximum growth rates their native environment should be imitated as closely as possible. The native habitat of these cacti is the western slopes of the Peruvian Andes, where the soil is very rich with humus and minerals, rainfall is not too scarce, and exposure to the sun and wind are at a maximum. I will describe ideal growth conditions (compiled from personal experience, books, and from the advice of someone who grows several dozen of them). However, I should begin by stating that these conditions also produce cacti with low mescaline content. The alkaloids in these cacti apparently are a defense mechanism against invading organisms, and increase during stressful conditions... particularly when the cacti are underwatered. This is a very gradual response... the mescaline content can take one or more growing seasons to increase after water starvation has commenced. Thus one strategy for raising these cactus is to purchase them at the desired size, and to "starve them out" for a full growing season before harvesting. If this is the strategy, the following "ideal growth conditions" should *NOT* be observed since they will contribute to decreases in potency!
Mescaline containing cactus produce one, or at most, two doses of mescaline a year (for fast Trichocereus species -- peyote cactus produces far less). Relative to other hallucinogens, these cacti can be difficult to obtain unless one lives in precisely the right area. Preparation of the cactus is time consuming, and a relatively large quantity of extremely disagreeable tasting substance must be consumed. The initial effects are usually accompanied by considerable physical discomfort. The experience is very long lived and inhibits sleep for an even longer time, much more so than LSD, thus the use of mescaline requires setting aside a considerable chunk of time (typically an entire day, with possibility of fatigue the next day). These facts may make cactus seem like a poor choice for a recreational drug... and I would agree with this. Many other compounds are better suited for recreational use. But this is also precisely its appeal for me... I have tremendous respect for mescaline containing cactus. Like the Native American Indians, I think one can view these "negative" aspects of cactus as features which are present to insure that it is treated with the proper respect. To me, the use of mescaline containing cactus is a rare, and spiritual, event.
|Posted by: Nanook Jul 29 03, 03:28 PM GMT|
|Nice post FM|
|Posted by: boxedhearts Jul 29 03, 03:32 PM GMT|
Just the laborious preparation, drinking the syrup and the nausea for 2+ hours will keep most people away. I don't ever see it becoming abused and illegal. As much as I'd like a simplified exraction tek, I understand publishing one could make San Pedro the next Salvia D.
...and having tried mescaline extracted from San Pedro, I find the Pedro to be stronger than the crystal. I've read about other compounds(psychomimetics?) being in San Pedro that intensify the trip...and experience confirms. The extracted mesc was INTENSE,but more of a mind and body trip. It almost seemed like speed, but that might have been because I insuffulated part of the dose, and kept getting drips. It would be good to have enough cactus that you could make some syrup and add some crystal to boost it
|Posted by: CockyMandrill Jul 29 03, 04:44 PM GMT|
| Ya lets hope it never becomes illegal, I like rewarding hobbies that are legal
If I ever had pure mescaline, I would always chew a few peyote buttons along with it to make it more like a natural experience. I'm pretty sure that would help a lot.
|Posted by: Keebler Jul 31 03, 04:18 PM GMT|
so does this mean that even with extracted crystal you would still get sick? cause i am interested in trying a heavy dose of crystal one day (not any time soon, im sure), but if even the crystal causes sickness, then ill pass on the heavy dose.
anyone with any experience about sickness from extracted crystal?
|Posted by: Nanook Jul 31 03, 04:35 PM GMT|
Anybody can (and many will) get sick from a large dose of any psychedelic.
Your system gets launched on a stiff dose... It has little to do with the drug itself, it's the action of the drug that causes disorientation... Movement... And visual distortion. The body responds to these stimuli and your stomach can get upset.
It's something a true psychonaut will expect and plan for.
1) Do not eat beforehand. Best is an entirely empty gut, end to end.
2) Do not drink beforehand. Start slightly dehydrated. Ingest a little fluid with the dose to dissolve it... If your body is nice and thirsty it will suck the concentrated dose out of the stomach with the water, very quickly. If perchance you do get sick, it comes on later, nothing much comes out, and the dose is already seated in the bloodstream so you do not lose much of anything.
3) It passes quickly, is not all unpleasant if you half listened to points 1) and 2) and afterwards you will feel great... Grinning ear to ear with snot running down your nose, maybe puke on your shirt... You will be laughing your ass off... And once you puke, laughing your ass off will not wind your or make you sick
Some people stage their doses and dose slowly to lessen the rocket ride of takeoff. I find this lowers your final orbit, but does give you extended flight capabilities. What I do... 1) I take my own advice (see above) 2) I dose all at once for maximum lift off boost. But I go slow physically, knowing there will be physical discomfort... No excercise, no ingestion of food or drink... Smoke weed to reduce nausea. 90 mins after ingestion the dose is grabbing ahold good, the contents of the stomach are pretty well absorbed, and I set quietly for another 30-45 mins, even if I feel like climbing mountains... To complete the transistion before letting myself become physically active.
If the stomach is a little queesy, a slow walk in some fresh air at that point and a little more weed is all that's required to settle everything down... And you are golden.
|Posted by: Keebler Jul 31 03, 05:38 PM GMT|
| thanks for the advice Nan
|Posted by: entheopharm Jul 31 03, 05:41 PM GMT|
Sounds pretty fun ... not that I'd know or anything...
Yes the transition is an interesting space. Usually SWIM finds himself with LOTS of energy to sit, but much too relaxed to want to get up until final burn is over.
|Posted by: MajorBuzz Aug 01 03, 06:11 PM GMT|
I have read that mescaline is relatively stable at high temperatures. This statement seems to contradict that.
|Posted by: ion Aug 02 03, 04:59 AM GMT|
| Not everyone knows a great deal about the chemistry of specific substances. Usually, for the sake of brevity or their own unsurity, people advise the "catch-all" parameters: no light, no heat, no oxygen.
Mescaline is very stable, yes, but most don't know that... the nook really is one of the greatest sources of entheogen information on the web, ya know.
However, it must be advised that if you boil your syrup down too far, a very nasty thing will happen... when all of the actual water is gone, it won't look like it... it'll just keep on boiling. What is happening during the boiling of the solution is the caramelization of sugars dissolved in the solution (that's why the stuff is brown), and when there is no more water, the sugar actually boils... but sugar boils at a much higher temperature than water! The temperature skyrockets, but you will have no idea because it still just looks like boiling syrup! The mescaline will definitely be destroyed under sugar-boiling conditions...
Just be careful. Don't let the inside bottom of your pot get much hotter than the boiling solution (good cookware or fluid-transferred heating methods are a must), and don't try to reduce your syrup too far.