Harvested Poppies

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Posted by: sinoptik Apr 30 03, 04:23 PM GMT

Posted by: Fungusmaximus May 04 03, 12:01 PM GMT
How long from seed to harvest?
Posted by: sinoptik May 04 03, 01:08 PM GMT
took about 5 months or so

Posted by: twiddling_mind Jul 11 03, 06:51 AM GMT
Is there a way to perform an extraction on opium poppies. I'm thinking maybe an acid/base extraction.

Posted by: CockyMandrill Jul 11 03, 09:34 AM GMT
I just read somewhere about an extraction that just used hot water and a little bit of acid, They simmered it for a long time(hours) making sure it doesnt get near boiling, and also added a little bit of acid then after that they evaporated in a hot water bath to get poppy puddy, although it can't be smoked good because it has plant sugars and other stuff in it, you just eat 2-4g for a good buzz.

Posted by: flatalbert Jul 11 03, 08:54 PM GMT
Boil water, add a bit of lime or lemon juice to acidify. Toss in the pressure cooker for an hour or boil for 3 hours and strain, first through a wire strainer, then through a coffee filter. Repeat the cookdown with the filtered matter.

Recombine the cooked and filtered water and boil it until it is the volume is reduced by half. Filter again if needed.

Now stick it in the fridge. The goodies are water soluble and won't come out in the cold weather. The nasties should fall to the bottom. Pour the good stuff into a glass baking pan to evaporate. Filter the stuff in the bottom through a coffee filter.

Evap in the baking pan and enjoy. If it is done right, it can be better than some of the "O" on the street.


Posted by: elfspice Jul 11 03, 09:45 PM GMT
if one is wanting a smokable material, perhaps it is better to extract straight to the freebase. Here's some info someone posted in response to my dmt extraction report that has some rather interesting implications for extracting alkaloids in general:
Seen in a few places (including Vine of the Soul by Richard Shultes) pictures of simple processing by Amazonians in the production of snuffs and other alkaloid rich plant extracts.

The resin from Virola bark being scrapped into a vessel with water and lime (forming a weakly basic solution), and run through a simple bark funnel (bark folded into a cone like paper) to filter most of the gunk out. Then cooked down over low heat until almost dry then left to dry, powdered and that is it. The snuff they used, reported to contain up to %10 tryptamine alkaloids in the case of Virola.

Evidently a simple alkaline aqueous solution fairly efficiently extracts alkaloids, and why this practice is almost universal in indigenous human use of plants, well known by Aboriginal people.

Whether an effective transfer of these alkaloids to a solvent would work directly has seemed a worthwhile question to pursue. The type of solvent used and probably temperature of that solvent I think might have a big effect on the outcome. As far as I know crude Coca paste is produced by a somewhat similar process, using caustic soda for the base and petrol or kerosene for the solvent. A messy fucked up business in that case that has cast one of the worlds best plants into the middle of a social war and ecological devastation.

I don't see why it would be all that different for poppies.

Posted by: ion Jul 12 03, 05:29 AM GMT
Morphine is amphoteric... I don't see why you'd need the acid or a base.

Lemon juice is no good if you want to cook the solution... the sugars burn easily, producing a caramelized mess... and with that method it seems that your acid, as well as these sugars, will come through into your final phase... definitely not good for smoking. bleah.gif

Just use plain water, and then follow flat's method, but don't cook it so hot... morphine isn't as stable as mescaline. wink.gif

The described method probably works, but I'm just a perfectionist. tongue.gif


Posted by: elfspice Jul 12 03, 06:58 AM GMT
here's they physprops of morphine

CAS Number : 000057-27-2
Chem Name  : MORPHINE
Mol Formula: C17H19NO3
Mol Weight : 285.35
Melting Pt : 255 deg C
Boiling Pt :
Water Solubility:
  Value : 149 mg/L
  Temp  : 20 deg C
  Type  : EXP
Log P (octanol-water):
  Value : 0.89
  Type  : EXP
  Ref  : AVDEEF,A ET AL. (1996)
Vapor Pressure:
  Value : 1.69E-009 mm Hg
  Temp  : 25 deg C
  Type  : EST
  Ref  : NEELY,WB & BLAU,GE (1985)
pKa Dissociation Constant:
  Value : 8.21
  Temp  : 25 deg C
  Type  : EXP
  Ref  : LIDE,DR (1995)
Henry's Law Constant:
  Value : 1.33E-016 atm-m3/mole
  Temp  : 25 deg C
  Type  : EST
  Ref  : MEYLAN,WM & HOWARD,PH (1991)
Atmospheric OH Rate Constant:
  Value : 2.05E-010 cm3/molecule-sec
  Temp  : 25 deg C
  Type  : EST
  Ref  : MEYLAN,WM & HOWARD,PH (1993)

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Now, I can see that one half of the molecule would have a fair affinity with water, but if it was amphoteric, it wouldn't form a salt with hydrochloride or anything else. And it wouldn't have a pKa either. Similarly, methamphetamine *could* be smoked as the freebase, but it is liquid at room temperature. The hydrochloride salt dissociates at around 190 degrees, and it's solid at room temperature, yet as the hydrochloride it can be used by vapourising it.

So, it would extract into the citrate, and it would also extract as freebase into a nonpolar solvent. I don't see why an acid/base wouldn't work on it. Since poppies yield the alkaloids pretty well, it could be basified and dried, maybe using lime or magnesium oxide, and then extracted into naptha or toluene or something. The resulting product would be perfectly smokable, perhaps quite a bit lower boiling temperature than the hydrochloride which melts at 243. The resin of the pods is smokable as is after dehydration.

See: Opium Cultivation, Morphine & Heroin