Real Mescaline?

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By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 01:34 am:

This is a question I've had since the 10th grade. I'm sure it can be answered here, finally. Are micro-dots/pellets/scleeners... actually mescaline? Or are they just another form of acid? You all know what I'm refering to, those BB-sized pink or yellow "dots" that are passed as mescaline.

By relic (Relic) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 02:30 am:

people i've known that used to get mesc. say it was tablets and a cystaline powder. sounds like acid to me. i used to be able to get purple microdots of lsd/ald, they rocked! i'm not a mesc. pro though(never had it ), but i think it takes more than a couple microdots worth to get you off.

By plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 03:52 am:

all the microdots (real microdots) that i have had were mescaline.... only took one for me... most i could take was four before it got uncomfortable.... but yeah... mescaline is a really great experience relic, you should consider the readily available and legal san pedro or peruvian torch cactii

By Fishy1 (Fishy1) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 04:19 am:

I always got powdered mesc. Good stuff....ahhhh

By Merlin of Camelot (Merlin) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 04:36 am:

All the microdot I saw in the '70's was lsd, I'm sure. Ate a lot, but never more than 4 or 5 at a time. Relic, you're right. The purple ones rock!! But the yellow ones just made me laugh a lot.

By relic (Relic) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 05:33 am:

plink, i want to, but it seems like they take so long to grow and consuming them sounds excruciating.

By Nan (Nanook) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 09:15 am:

You can't compress enough Mescaline into a microdot to feel hardly anything, if anything.

A tickle for most people starts around .1 - .15 grams

By quote: (Quote) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 01:33 pm:

most likely lsd mis-represented as mesc...
the mesc i used to get was powder, called chocolate or strawberry mesc, no microdots.

By ion ewe (Ion) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 11:19 pm:

Honestly, Quo and Nan are right. Microdot used to be a pill form of LSD. Nowadays it should still be LSD if in the form of such a small "BB". There used to be some nasty shit called LBJ back in the day. It was supposedly a mix of LSD, PCP (often actually an amphetamine instead), and Heroin in a rather large capsule, but for some reason people sometimes referred to this as microdot. Probably because the pill often looked like one of those diet pills with all the little balls in it. Recently, (about 3 years ago) my buddy acquired some 2-CB in the form of really small 5mg tablets (one had to take about four or five for a good dose, but the per pill price was like $2). The seller referred to these as microdots. They were just very small pills, so I guess he thought he should advertise a cute name for them...
Orange Barrels were still the best, IMO. Although the most original packaging I've seen was little black raspberry flavored, deep (almost black) red pyramid shaped tabs of gelatin with tiny gold flecks. Really pretty, 3D, and tasted good... Pretty expensive stuff, but well worth it for the collector...
I'm off topic... I'll stop


By gnas (Psystep) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 12:04 am:

I so wish I lived back in the days when you could mail-order LSD, and MDMA even. I really hate taking stuff without knowing the exact dose, or even the contents.

By plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 03:15 am:

well... maybe the ones i used to get weren't mescaline, but they really felt like it... didn't feel like an lsd trip at all...

By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 04:45 am:

Ion, I've read about that LBJ. I thought it was belledona, not PCP. Which is what made it so nasty. Maybe some of it has PCP instead. It was Burroughs who wrote this, so I think it is legitamite. He really describes drug effects perfectly. See the back of any recent copy of Naked Luch for an interesting article. Except one thing...he says that under no circumstance should anyone ever drive a car after smoking pot. He says it is next to impossible. Odd...he nails everything else down real well, though.

Ion, also, what are Orange Barrels and 2-CB?

One other thing, when was the first any of you have heard of MDMA? I heard ecstacy mentioned in 1988 (on SNL). That is the first I can remember hearing about it but I'm sure it is older.

By gnas (Psystep) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 05:14 am:

I'm sure ion will be able to explain it better than me but 2CB is a phenethylamine, say like Mescaline or 2CT7, with qualitative effects of MDMA and acid(more visual side). But that's a gross generalization since every drug is unique. 2CBs I think focuses more on giving you a euphoric experience, than analyzing your brain with a fine tooth comb like acid.

I heard of MDMA in the early 1990s but I think it was around ever since the 80s, sometimes used as a drug to help in psychotherapy. (But actual chemical synthesized much much before I believe?)
Personally, MDMA gives you a rather noticeable "fake" emotional ecstacy much unlike say 2CB or 2CT7/2. It really lacks the psychedelic contents helpful to actually make use of the emotions it gives (excluding the first trip). Just my opinion.

By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 05:23 am:

That's right gnas. You feel great on E but it's a fake great and I can never really dig it. I always feel kind of dirty about it. Nor do I ever have the urge to do it like I do with other stuff. Also, the E market is more corrupt than anything I can think of.

By gnas (Psystep) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 06:32 am:

Guess that's why it's so popular.

By ion ewe (Ion) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 08:18 am:

Jim, you are correct about the belladonna thing. It seems that once everybody heard that belladonna was really evil poisonous (which got around pretty quick), the dealers started substituting it with stuff that gives a similar sort of "disembodied high". Enter the equally evil poisonous (but more well used) PCP. The shit got expensive, so they just started grinding up bennies and such instead of the PCP. Different high, same name. BTW, don't even think of resurrecting this stuff and trying it out. It is very bad. It's not even very fun. Makes most people puke, and others just feel like they've died more than any other trip. I guess some nihilistic asshole dreamed it up one day to kill himself with... I don't know... but I guess it didn't kill him. Moron...

Orange barrels were little orange, barrel-shaped pills with four segments. Four people could have a good time with one (for about $1) or one person could have a great time. The average content was said to be about 800-1000 µs of pure -25 per full barrel. I don't know for sure, but I think that's about right.

Gnas is right about the 2-CB. It is a phenethylamine. Specifically, it is 4 (or 5, I can't remember exactly)-brominated mescaline. It really changes the mesc, though. It's like... my buddy described it best, I think... a carnival. Strange musical accompaniment and bright, scintillating, multi-faceted visuals. For instance, a cig's cherry in the dark had seven distinct cherries rotating slowly around it. They sort of sparkled (with seven more almost microscopic replicas around each) and changed very subtly in color while following the middle cherry through space. Lots of color enhancement. All with this weirdly familiar waltz playing in the head. A touch of nausea around an hour after ingestion, but it went away in about half an hour. Very brain-tingling (not scalp tingling, that's different) feeling throughout, but not unpleasant. Lasted just the right amount of time every time, which was weird.

Heard about MDMA in the late seventies, I think. It went by some brand name... beginning with a "C", I think...? It was just something rich folks were over using. It was a diet pill from Europe or something like that. Got to try some around '85 or so. Most of the times after that have been really sub-par, though...

Yes, I'm just an old madman...


By ion ewe (Ion) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 08:31 am:

Oh yeah... Don't drive while your high, man! You ever been going down the road, stoned out of your gourd, thinking "I'm goin' fast, man!", when you look down at your speedometer that reads "12"? That's what Burroughs was talking about! Your reaction time is hampered by the ever-present "Well, what if that deer is actually the God of the Forest and is calling me to join him? Man, I could really go for some cheetohs and bean dip right..." WHAM!! Don't smoke and drive. Peace.


By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 08:43 am:

Ion, thanks for all the info (this and all the rest). How do you know all this great stuff? Are you just well read or do you have a chemisitry backround? And for how long have you been a player in the ole' drug game? How old a madman are you? Sorry for the nosey stuff, it's just that I got this job with the, I mean...I'm just curious.

I have another question that I bet you can answer. What does PCP look like. Here's why I ask; when I was a senior in high school I didn't have class until 11:45. One morning my friend, a year out of high school, calls me up and tells me to come over. From the way he said it, I knew he had something good. What he had was a fold with a yellowish powder in it. He stole it out of a car that he valetted (sp?), he made a point of taking stuff from people who had stiffed him in the past. We each did just a small line and, well, it's hard to describe the effects. They were there, though. I know it wasn't H, I mean I really know that. And I've talked to some people and did some research and the best I've come up with is that it (maybe) was PCP. If you could, could you tell me what you know about it. Thanks Ion.

By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 08:52 am:

Hey, I was typing while you posted. Man, you and old Bill (God rest his filthy soul) must be getting some crazy grass. I delivered pizzas for 5 years and smoked pot all day while at work. I've never been in an accident and never (seriously) gotten a ticket, not even a parking ticket. I don't think weed affects everybody the same, as in driving abilities. Weed no longer gives me thoughs crazy mind consuming thoughts.

By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 09:19 am:

Also Ion, check out my question from this time in growing under "how important is temp?" Thanks bro.

By ion ewe (Ion) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 10:32 am:

Let's just say I'm old enough to know better than to discuss too much with people I don't know. Fair enough?
Yes, I'm well read, I guess. I just retain information. I play a lot of mind games with myself to keep the old noodle flexible.
The fact that pot doesn't affect you the way it used to is an indicator that you smoke too much of it. Honestly. I found myself in that place and just realized it was like nothing at all to get stoned. I quit for a few years. When I came back, I only smoked maybe twice a week. It was fun again, although the paranoia seemed more intense than it used to be. Probably just feeling more responsible for your self and fellows will do that to you. Also, have you ever asked yourself why you were a pizza guy for five years? I won't preach, I always hated that when I was young...
I have been fascinated with altered conciousness pretty much my whole life. I can't stop experimenting, either. But I'm still alive, and probably all the better for having these experiences... in moderation. You see, I've taken a bit of just about everything out there, but not too much of any of it. I've always tried to stay on top of current trends in this part of the underworld, and keep my eyes open for new ideas and theories on the human mind, healing, E.S.P, the dawn of civilization, etc. My world is full of wonder and intrigue, so I want a piece of it, ya know?
As for your unusual yellow powder... I have no idea. Why did you snort something stolen out of some stranger's car? That's just stupid, my friend. I don't mean to be cruel, but that's just really unsafe. If you've ever snorted heroin or fentenyl (China White) or PCP, you know it's all a bad idea. You didn't even describe what happened to you. How am I supposed to give you an educated guess? I would say, from the info I have from you, that it was a crushed up pill of amphetamines. The friend took it from a guy who screwed him, so it was probably just crap. If the guy stiffs people, he either had bad karma that got him that junk from a dealer, or he was gonna sell it, or he was just being an asshole because he knew your friend would see it and take it.
If it was "real" drugs, the color sounds like an oxidized white powder. Possibly old meth.
Bottom line: If it was PCP, you would have probably ended up in the hospital. If not the hospital, you would still have noticed enough "effects" for a positive I.D. by research. And for God's sake, don't go snorting, injecting, popping, and fucking things you know nothing about! Do you want to die? Please don't be so self destructive. It gives all of us a bad reputation, and more fodder for the propagandists!
For future reference, although the stuff is pretty rare, nowadays... Pure PCP is a white to off-white crystalline powder. It is often dissolved in an injectable solution or dried out on a smoking material. It can look like pretty much anything. The effects can last up to days, depending on doses, and include irrational thinking and behavior, actual hallucinations, a feeling of "euphoria" (it is an anaesthetic, after all), profuse sweating, vomiting, etc. Scary shit. All I can tell you is to stay away from it if you ever see it. If you want a similar, but more manageable experience, try ketamine under good supervision.


P.S. I do not recommend or condone the use of pharmaceuticals as a way of enlightenment. It is ultimately the decision of the user to engage in such practice. Personally, I think it's just a bad row to hoe.

By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 06:10 pm:

Ion, I delivered pizzas for five years because it was the best way to make quick cash in college, plus one year before. But hey, don't judge a person by that. Some people could take offense. And yes, I know that at that time I smoked too much. Who here didn't? As far as trying crazy I said, I was in high school. You said it yourself, we like to experiment. Thank God we're both still alive. I in no way meant to post anything that would give the board a bad name. It's just something I have been very curious about for a very long time. From what you said about it, I am even more convinced that it might have been PCP. As I said I only did a very little but it messed me up. Ketamine is off my list, though. I once was at a small party where people were doing it. I was about to try it (why not?) then some guy had a seizure. He pulled out of it but...well, I decided not to try it.

So hey, thanks for the info. I didn't mean to get too nosey just seem to have all the answers. And I didn't mean to support irresponsibility. As I said, these were my younger days. I'm sure you had your's as well. Hell, that shit ain't the worst of it.

By ion ewe (Ion) on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 07:15 am:

Aww, man... I really am sorry if I got you all riled up. I don't want it to be that way, I just feel responsible for taking care of my people. I've had to pull a young girl out of a cocaine/alcohol overdose out in the middle of nowhere on a freezing night while tripping balls on a few drops. Hell, on my first acid trip ever, I had to talk two other people down! Shit like that happens to me all the time, or at least it used to. So I get a little parental sometimes... I apologize. I was tired. I really need to stop posting so late...
About the pizza thing, I think I was unfair. I don't know you. After I posted that, I thought better of it. I figured I'd be pissed about a remark like that, too. For what it's worth, I was a waiter for about 7 years. Almost made me a sociopath... how people could be so gluttonous, greedy, callous, and pathetic. I commend you for going to college. Hope it wasn't like my first time... drugs, drugs, sex, and Oh shit! I have a paper due tomorrow! I know... Hey, peace out, Jim.


By Lichen (Lichen) on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 02:59 pm:

I once knew a man who was a janitor for 35 years. When he died they discovered he had over $2 million because he saved and invested wisely. My grandfather was a security guard for over 30 years. My spouse is a janitor....I am self employed, and a lot of the time I don't have much going on at all. My point is, being a waiter for seven or being a pizza dude for five years isn't anything to cause a ruckus about....fuck it, it's judgemental for any of us to criticize another for what they're doing, unless it's evil, amoral, and hypocritical. A man can be a pizza dude his whole life, and be just fine and happy, if that's his choice. It's never our place to judge him because of that, is it?

By Mjshroomer (Mjshroomer) on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 03:23 pm:

99 percent of all microdotw were LSD and one percent was most likely ALD-52, a high similar to LSD and related but made with chemicals other than ergot.

Mescaline takes 300 to 500 milligrams to be equal to four to six large buttons of peyote. that is one half gram and you can not get that much power onto a microdot.

Microdots first appeared onthe scene inthe early 1970s and remaied popular until the early 19080s when blotter acid became popular.

Although there are still some manufacturers who have microdot available. I just saw some purple pyramids the other day and they were also a gel.

But there is no way any microdot could have mescaline in them.


By Underground_Shaman (Shaman) on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 04:09 pm:

where is the *good* liquid these daze?

By kappy pappy (Kappy) on Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 12:00 am:

we just had some liquid run through my area...very good. 7 bucks a pop with a very long lasting effect..10 -12 hrs..on sugar of course.

By onediadem (Onediadem) on Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 07:35 am:

A word of advice on ketamine.....My sister works for a major hospital. The majority of overdoses that come thru the E.R. are ketamine related. It is a drug that should not be taken lightly. More often than not, it can produce seizures, and death. Usually, from first time use. Just my 2 cents worth. The stories she has related to me concerning this drug scare the hell out of me.