|By Chronic007 (Chronic007) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 02:40 am: The Nook|
Hey folks. Told you all in an old thread I was trying some Hawaiians with the Chronic tek and I would post the results so here they are. Didn't flush quite as hard as my first flush PFs do but they still did great. All these pics are first flush Hawaiians.
This first one is a close up of a cluster of Hawaiians
This one had a cap as big as the jar lid!
Here is a row of five or six jars on there way to be scraped.
This one even came complete with its own snow cap!
All in all I'm very happy with the Hawaiian’s reaction to the chronic tek mini terrariums.
Take care and be safe
|By Some Body (Texasshroomer) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 02:42 am: The Nook|
Keep up the good work
|By quote: (Quote) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 03:14 am: The Nook|
sweet, as always.
thx for sharing.
|By Brettiejams (Brettiejams) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 03:21 am: The Nook|
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 05:04 am: The Nook|
|By I feel so weird (Phishgrower) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 05:22 am: The Nook|
Hey chronic, that looks pretty nice man. Could you give us a result as far as yields are concerned? I'm considering doubling my normal batches and keeping one batch as invitro to save work time. Let me know how they compare. peace
|By Fishy1 (Fishy1) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 06:03 am: The Nook|
Why are the cakes in jars?!?!?!?!?!
|By Chronic007 (Chronic007) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 09:43 am: The Nook|
I feel so weird (Phishgrower): As far as yields go they are the same as a terrarium...about 6-8 grams dried per cake thoughout its lifetime. Earlier I said the hawaiians didn't flush as hard as my PFs but I was wrong. There did not seem to be as many or as big of mushrooms as my PFs but now that they are all dried they actually out performed the PF in the shroom size to weight retained after drying. Overall about 2.5-3g dried per cake per flush for both hawaiian and PF.
Fishy1 (Fishy1): Follow the link at the top of the page (chronic Tek) under subtopics and it will tell you all about why the cakes are in jars. In the end you get terrarium results with no maintenance except temp. Give it go.
Take care and be safe
|By onediadem (Onediadem) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 12:29 pm: The Nook|
Awsome as always.
|By Maliki vision seaker (Maliki) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 03:09 pm: The Nook|
Hat Brettie look mycaeium on the cap hmmmmmm...
Nice job chronic ...
|By Brettiejams (Brettiejams) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 06:52 pm: The Nook|
Yes indeedie, doodily.
I'd be wary of using it to clone though, unless you cut a piece out of the very center.
|By Scotsman (Barrowland) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 08:01 pm: The Nook|
nice work chronic
|By Fishy1 (Fishy1) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 09:12 pm: The Nook|
OK Chronic....I get it now!!! Seems like a nice idea for busy people like me.....
I like the TEK---well done. I will give a few a try....
And the Hawaiians look GREAT! They are an old fave of mine. Many different looks to them....
You do good work- keep it coming!! fishy1
|By Kman (Kman) on Friday, February 08, 2002 - 06:28 am: The Nook|
ya the more I look at your pics and read your tek the more I think that large terrariums are too much hassle for bulk growing. I was wondering how many flushes do you usually get from a cake? I think I might have to do a little experimenting myself.
|By Chronic007 (Chronic007) on Friday, February 08, 2002 - 08:12 am: The Nook|
Thanks for all the compliments guys.
Kman(Kman): well it all depends on what you consider bulk. From what I've read the weight that cased straw and grains can yeild in a bulk setup (OT type yeilds) would be too much work in most peoples eyes to match with this tek. 50 jars though is a lot easier than you might think especially considering that from the time you place the cakes in the Chronic Tek mini terrariums to the time of harvest there is no intervention needed. I usually get about 4 flushes. After the fourth flush the cakes are pretty much spent(6-8g dried per cake). In my opionion if you are doing 20 cakes or less, or if you're using PF cakes at all terrariums are a waste of effort. You'll understand once you try it out.
|By paul whisper (Soma) on Friday, February 08, 2002 - 08:19 am: The Nook|
Hey chronic, how does one measure the temp in the jars? Would it be the same as room temp.? SOMA
|By Chronic007 (Chronic007) on Friday, February 08, 2002 - 10:44 am: The Nook|
When I say 76 degrees I mean the temp of the air around the jars.
|By Kman (Kman) on Friday, February 08, 2002 - 04:44 pm: The Nook|
well I've been working with rye lately and large flat cakes. I have just got a very large fridge to grow in and I think I will dedicate a shelf to your tek and compare the weights and decide from there.
|By Dr. Cubensis (Shroomzilla) on Friday, February 08, 2002 - 05:41 pm: The Nook|
Over 150 invitro cakes cultivated to Date in Large freezer....
Over 150 cakes grown in a giant glass terrarium
and two smaller Pf style fruiting chambers...
Glass terrarium still wins as far as quantity...
BUt as far as ease of use, in-vitro all the way...
|By Dr. Cubensis (Shroomzilla) on Friday, February 08, 2002 - 05:56 pm: The Nook|
Oh yea, one last little thing before I go away for the day. I keep hearing all of this talk about what strains to grow in-vitro, and which ones do well...
I've gotten Talpalpas, Romeros, Eq's, Cambo, and two more strains ( I forget which at the moment ) to grow successfully in-vitro. To be perfectly honest given the right conditions ( perfect conditions i am sure ) it seems ANY cubie will thrive invitro. Thats a blanket judgement but from researching others experiences, the list continues to get longer. I would like to try some of the strains people say don't work well and see for myself, because I would bet that they will indeed work well given the right conditions.
Things really picked up when I added a fairly powerful ( yet small ) fan to the chamber that pushes a LOT of air around. Still maintain temps/humidity, but forcing
air from the top of chamber to bottom with a nice powerful fan has really improved/speeded growth.
And as I said, out of all different strains attempted invitro, all seem to pin/fruit just fine in the jars...
See ya all later.
|By Nugdumper (Nugdumper) on Friday, February 08, 2002 - 06:18 pm: The Nook|
Shroomzilla weren't you a newbie like 3 months ago....? Not to be an asshole, but it seems like you want to get your name in the archives through redescribing someone else's tek's.
|By Kman (Kman) on Saturday, February 09, 2002 - 04:20 am: The Nook|
1.as far as I can tell shroomzilla has been doing tons of work with chronics tek and anyone that has grown over a 150 jars invitro is probaly worth listening to what they have to say on the topic.
2. So shroomzilla I know you have worked with a large freezer and I would like to get your advice. Would you go with the invitro all the way or think I should go all flat cakes or a combo of both. I have a fridge that is being converted right now.
|By quote: (Quote) on Saturday, February 09, 2002 - 03:00 pm: The Nook|
shroomzilla has left the building.
|By Fanaticus (Fanaticus) on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 02:38 am: The Nook|
What you picture used to be
my dream for growing when
I started 25 years ago. I first
tried the old Pollock tek - brown rice
cakes in Quart jars, but I
quickly became dissatisfied with
the glass jars as being so restrictive
The PF style growing is a response to
that - it frees the cake.
But with your shrooms expanding like that,
they can have a tendancy to catch and
hang up on the more restrictive jar
Also, isn't daily maintenance a real pain
in the ass with having to manipulate all those jars
for each cake for misting and airing?
But one thing the Chronic Tek does show, is that
you don't need perlite or that dimwitted
MMGG chained coke bottle humidifier fiasco.
You prove that Perlite and humidifiers can
easily be considered by the hard core,
as obsolete for shroom growing.
|By Chronic007 (Chronic007) on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 04:17 am: The Nook|
All respect due Mr. Fanaticus. I don't think you've even read through the Chronic Tek!!
"Also, isn't daily maintenance a real pain
in the ass with having to manipulate all those jars
for each cake for misting and airing?"
ANSWER - If you read through you'd know that the entire purpose of this tek is not having to mist or fan or do any maintenance for that matter. You put the cake in the mini terrarium with the right temp and forget about it! It IS a dream come true. As for the restrictiveness of a quart jar....I don't hear my cakes screaming for freedom at all(they leave that to William Wallace)....if anything they thank me for the assistance by providing big fat lush yeilds as you can see from the pics! As for removing the mucks from the jar it is easy as 1-2-3. I see all pro's and no con's to the quart jars. Contamination controll being a huge pro along with no maintenance!
Keep in mind fanaticus that you are a god to me but I do think you will change your mind about this tek if you read through it.
|By Imok Urok2 (Imok) on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 04:36 am: The Nook|
Be cool man, he called you "hard core"
Not bad for a self described newbie who doesn't
think he should be included with
Nan and Quote in the same sentence
Your in the big leagues now guy
|By Fanaticus (Fanaticus) on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 11:08 am: The Nook|
Hey Chronic - what you picture are PF style cakes with quart jars over them. What it proves, is that again, and again, and again, is that the PF TEK rules the world of magic shroom growing.
In fact, I used to talk about this type of approach years ago on this web, and people thought I was bull shitting (stagnant air in a small terrarium - works with the PF TEK style cakes).
|By Fanaticus (Fanaticus) on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 11:12 am: The Nook|
I will add this. I have been to Walmart lately and they have these STERILITE plastic translucent storage boxes that are perfect and will hold about 50 cakes. I would rather use one of those than 50 jars. The STERILITE boxes I have seen are long, rather narrow (great for rigging spray shields), and are high enough to give good head room.
|By Fanaticus (Fanaticus) on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 11:17 am: The Nook|
IN fact, instead of using zillions of Quart jars, just go to Walmart and check out the plastic storage box section - it's fucking huge.
When I was starting with the hobby 25 years ago, we had no plastic storage boxes like that at all.
Now, you go to Walmart, and your eye will see those nice long, narrow, tall - translucent plastic boxes with a level top opening, and you go to shroom growing heaven.
I don't think the "CHRONIC TEK" will catch on with people that go to Walmart and see those fabulous plastic storage containers.
|By Fanaticus (Fanaticus) on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 11:25 am: The Nook|
In fact, back in the old 1999 spore wars days, the shroomeryites used to call PF the "Walmart of shroom growing". Hawkeye was suppossed to become the "new PF". It's a long sad story, but Walmart rules (but they don't sell vermiculite anymore - so that is a problem).
|By Fanaticus (Fanaticus) on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 11:31 am: The Nook|
In fact, I am going to Walmart on monday, and I will pick up one of those long, lean, and mean boxes that are perfecto for shroom growing and I will take a dig photo of it and post it here. You will have to have one. The "STERILITE" box I have is great, but they got new ones that are even more perfect.
ANd in comparison to using one of those in lieu of 50 glass quart jars, the glass jars are obsolete unless you dig they way it looks (jars galore).
|By Fanaticus (Fanaticus) on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 11:34 am: The Nook|
In fact, this Doobies got me going so good, I am starting a new hot controversy here. Wow man!
|By Imok Urok2 (Imok) on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 01:07 pm: The Nook|
You said <quote>
The STERILITE boxes I have seen are long, rather narrow
(great for rigging spray shields), and are high enough to give
good head room.
So you mean the traditional spray and fan three times a day method?
Chronic's is like Quote's in that you don't touch them
except to harvest them.
Then you dunk them and put them back in the jar.
Eliminates the pos of contam, opening the boxes, and if you do
the cakes are isolated so less chance of cross contam.
He says the yield/cake is not up to your traditional method true.
But with less contams he has a chance of getting more harvests/cake.
With the low labor requirement factored in,
"just set it and forget it", he has
"built(sic) on the sholder's of giants"
and added a color to the rainbow of Nook Members everywhere.
His method is not for everyone, but some need what he has to offer
for their situation.
We all need you PF, kind of like your great grand pappy stopping by
to check out the romper room kids
Sounds like you were doing a little quality control when you made
the above posts
Hope you have a myco-day
|By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 01:34 pm: The Nook|
I have found invitro/quote/chronic style growing to be a lifesaver at particularly busy times in my life. If I will be gone for days at a time I just leave the jars in a room that light gets in a little each day and am confident having left them. Worst thing that could happen are a few upturned caps when I got back. Once when I went away for a week I had to get a friend to tend to my terrariums. I didn't care for that at all. I Kept worrying; Would he really wash his hands? Would he make sure the lids were snapped back on properly? Would he keep his mouth shut? Would he eat all my shrooms and tell me none had grown when I got back? Of course, I trusted him not to steal but as for the other stuff you can never be 100% sure with any babysitter.
This method of fruiting is ideal in some situations. And it allows for a quick hide if that should become necessary.
It is a more attractive tek when you have a finite number of jars though. After a few dozen the extra harvest work would probably surpass the work saved on other matinence.
|By quote: (Quote) on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 03:16 pm: The Nook|
different strokes for different folks.
|By Chronic007 (Chronic007) on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 07:15 pm: The Nook|
Tolerance is a wonderful thing!!!
I wasn't insulted or even trying to come accross harsh. But, thanks for keeping the peace anyways Imok....always good to have folks like you around to cool all us hot heads off. Lol! I don't feel like the Chronic Tek needs to be defended or anything....the pics show great results and the tek might not be for all but works great for me and others who can't be home all the time
As for expanding the Chronic tek to even less maintenance-
"I will add this. I have been to Walmart lately and they have these STERILITE plastic translucent storage boxes that are perfect and will hold about 50 cakes"
Answer - That would be awsome if it worked! I as well as a few others noticed a definite corolation between the air space and cake space ratio in the Chronic Tek. I think the best way to start experimenting with bigger containers would be to have one quart air space for every cake (1 gallon container = 4 cakes). I'll get on this experiment tomorrow and post the results when they're in.
Anyways take care and be safe everyone!
Fanaticus, peace and next time your hitting that doobie take a fat rip for me!
|By Fanaticus (Fanaticus) on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 10:29 pm: The Nook|
Another thing from Walmart, is this little "personal" Ultra sonic humidifier (brand name - "KAZ"). I bought one and the cost was $12.50 american. It is a superb little fogger and it was easy to rig up with Plumbing fixtures to make a upflow Pipe for the Terrarium hookup.
Check it out in the personal sundries section at Walmart.
I will post a photo of the KAZ humidifier along with the photo of the long, lean and mean STERILITE plastic storage box when I get back from Walmart Tommorow.
|By Imok Urok2 (Imok) on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 11:40 pm: The Nook|
I was thinking about your system and the only problem I have
with it is the need for the ventilated shelving for the jars to sit on.
Why not get some pvc about the size of the lid, cut wedges into one end,
and hot-glue the other to the lid.
You could even hot-glue the riser that is inside the jar to the other side
as well so it won't move and block a(the) holes.
That way, the co2 would drop off the cake, thru the holes in the lid,
and down thru the bottom riser and spread out thru the cuts in it
where your fan could take care of any additional circulation/disapation of the gas.
Just a thought
|By onediadem (Onediadem) on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 03:16 am: The Nook|
YOU PEOPLE CRACK ME UP.
Chronic, you ROCK!!!!
PF, I want to see it when you have it up. I wondered if a bigger Chronic tek would work, and who better, other than Chronic, to show the way.
In the meantime,
DARE TO DREAM!!
peace and loves,
|By Brettiejams (Brettiejams) on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 03:42 am: The Nook|
Hey PF, You'll be happy to know that this Kaz ultra-sonic has never, at any time, had two-litre coke bottles attached to it to cut back the output.
|By Chronic007 (Chronic007) on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 05:50 am: The Nook|
onediadem (Onediadem): Thank you
Imok Urok2 (Imok): As I said in the compilation the Chronic tek is a very open ended tek. If you see fit you should change whatever your heart desires to customize it to your needs. In my case building one little shelf(10 min) that will complete the task of venting 50 jars is way easier than cutting 50 risers then cutting slits then hot glueing all of them. But if you only have a few jars and you feel it is more efficient than charge it...I'm with you all the way.
Take care and be safe!
|By relic (Relic) on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 06:09 am: The Nook|
it's surprising that the chronic tek doesn't need airing. i've found if i skip a day airing a flush in progress in a terrarium(sealed rubbermaids) that they will open their veils early, yeilding smaller shrooms. they seem to go to maturity sooner, prematurely, if they don't get aired as they grow.
|By Imok Urok2 (Imok) on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 09:37 am: The Nook|
Check the tek.
He has holes in the lids that the risers, supporting the cakes, rest on.
The lids rest on a vented shelf(in the pics).
The holes, being at the bottom, let the co2 buildup out and o2 in.
But the moisture mostly stays in the jar.
The excess pools at the bottom where it is still available to
the atmosphere, in the jar, but not drowning the cake.
I see your point.
Unless you dress in red and have little people that give you
free labor, your way would be better for that many jars
|By Chronic007 (Chronic007) on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 08:56 pm: The Nook|
Lol. Ya the shelves are perfect for my setup now but when I was working out the kinks in the tek with just a few jars I used your idea to a "T" and it works great.
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