?on outdoor cultivation in NY state.

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By bob jones (Igotthe6) on Saturday, February 02, 2002 - 09:55 pm:

Could anyone give info on strains native to upstate NY? If not a strain that can be cultivated outdoors and survive on it's own?

By Maliki vision seaker (Maliki) on Saturday, February 02, 2002 - 10:43 pm:

I too am curious to this as well . As Ny state is acredited for a few diffrent species such as Conocybe cyanopus
Gymnopilus liquiritae
Gymnopilus luteofolius
Gymnopilus luteus
Gymnopilus spectabilis
Gymnopilus validipes
Panaeolus fimicola
Panaeolus papillionaceus
Panaeolus subbalteatus
Psilocybe caerulipes
Psilocybe semilanceata
Psilocybe silvatica
So there are a few. Im in the process of trying to figure out where each one was located. There are many that grow in maine as well. So they will survive. And Washington state has much of the same climate ranges as new york. Ive got property In the Malone area. And i too would love to spread as many species as i can. And outdoor growing just seems so much simpler. Seed every where you can and then hope one or two make it.

By Snoopy (Snoopy) on Sunday, February 03, 2002 - 06:17 pm:

Yah espcially if you make your own syringes and prints what not.... not to hard to make 100+ prints if you got a good sized indoor crop going, and I'm sure out of 100 prints you'd get plenty of mushrooms growing. Just make sure you spread the spores in the right place, and not in the middle of a sandpit. =)

By bob jones (Igotthe6) on Sunday, February 03, 2002 - 07:41 pm:

I live on a farm. Plenty of right places!

By Kman (Kman) on Sunday, February 03, 2002 - 08:10 pm:

Anybody got any real simple ways of growing outdoors? Some sort of neglect tek maybe? I got lots of spores and wouldn't mind experimenting.

By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Monday, February 04, 2002 - 08:05 am:

Lichen's OGBD tek, for outdoor growing, seems pretty simple. Can't wait until spring to give it a try. See the archieves under teks.

By treebark (Flunky) on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 04:40 am:

Hey Bob,
Growing outdoors huh? It's easier than indoors. 20% spawn to 50/50 hardwood sawdust/woodchips substrate ratio. Read up and experiment on your own. I suggest the Author Paul Stamets. Make garden small. Use PF strain from PF site. Tenacious and do very well outdoors. Moisture is very important. Goodluck. Spring is near. Do your own research and ignore all the mouths around here. Peace. Indoor growing is harder than outdoors remember that.

By onediadem (Onediadem) on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 01:34 pm:

So PF's like the wood???

By Maliki vision seaker (Maliki) on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 03:26 pm:

Well i guess you can ignore the list i gave you from above since this mouth should be ignored. Man get over yourself . There are many many pepole who owe simply getting mushrooms, to this website and the pepole who feed it information . As well as the fact that some of the biggest names in mushroom cultivation frequent this site. So i would say you found the right place.
PF from Psylocybe Fanaticus is a god of cultivation as well as John Allen. Who would be mjshroomer. John is one of three researchers who published a book on mushrooms and there geographical locations. Wich is where the list above came from...... YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE..

By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 05:58 pm:

"Do your own research and ignore all the mouths around here"???

But your also giving advice...which is it?

If you don't like the board can't you just ignore it yourself?

By Brettiejams (Brettiejams) on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 08:04 pm:

He's talking about outdoor beds guys, but you have a good point.

He really didn't have to say that.

Not a good way to make new friends....

By onediadem (Onediadem) on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 09:23 pm:

Yoohoo? The pf's like wood? lol

By treebark (Flunky) on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 11:42 pm:

Yes, I have found they do like wood. Alot of mushrooms are primary decomposers. Hardwood mostly, Alder, cottonwood, oak, birch and beech. Douglas fir chips work also, they being a softwood. Using 1/8" to 2-4" diameter woochips to create a matrix for mycelium. Wood chipped late winter/early spring is the best. These contain high levels of sap sugars that give energy to mycelium. Many variables apply for success. Trial and error and trust in nature. But ignore me. Good luck.

By Maliki vision seaker (Maliki) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 03:25 pm:

Wooooo nobody said ignore you ..... it would be the other way around... And it would aperntly be a shame because you do seem to have a considerable amount of knowledge on outdoor cultivation. But since you came accrost as well a DICK parden my french but you did. I have read other posts of yours and they do contain some shareable wisdom.
But why the attitude???????????????? As far as research being done thats what there here for. We all started somewhere , or did you just have all the answers ? Im not trying to start an argument here . Just make a point . As I am very intrested in the outdoor cultivation of mushrooms myself. So if you would be so kind as to continue adding to this board I would be gratefull. I just have no time for a condecending attitude of Perfection. But plenty of time to learn from a person who is happy to share so we all can gain and learn from your experiance.

By Oaktree (Oaktree) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 07:06 pm:

Hello all,
When working with Woodchips, what is a good depth for the bed? I have a 1/2 cu ft. bed, 6" deep. Thank you Treebark for your sharing, and thank you all for getting me to this point.

By treebark (Flunky) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 09:00 pm:

I'd say one foot on level ground. Up to three feet on sloping ground side. You should try to locate a spot for your patch on a slope.
Sloping ground allows for aeration of chips by exposing one side of patch and discourages anaerobic organisms to proliferate. These are only helpful ideas and there are too many variables to have something written in stone. I'm sure six inches would work too. Trust youself and study the environment around you and you will make the best decisions. I feel the most important thing for outdoor growing is innoculation rate. Having a high spawn to chips ratio is the key to success for beginning outdoor growers. Goodluck.

By quote: (Quote) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 09:01 pm:

while it is true that many shroom species are primary decomposers feeding on wood,
psilocybe cubensis is not,
being rather a secondary decomposer feeding on dung.
cubensis will colonize wood, though, and many other media such as cardboard, sawdust, shredded paper, etc.
but the primary food source for such nutrient-poor mycellial colonies would be not the wood but rather the grains originally used as spawn.
which is problematic, since grains outdoors attract insects, so less is better.
i daresay, you'd get better results growing on straw and composted dungs than on wood, and get by using less grain spawn, minimizing insects.
indoors or out.
and treebark, your hostility is not particularly welcome around here, so please consider exercising self-control so we won't be forced to do it for you.

By treebark (Flunky) on Friday, February 08, 2002 - 08:05 am:

I completely agree with you Quote.

Hmmmmm....The problem I think I would have with dung and straw is the decomposing rate. A little too fast. Why establish a patch for it only to be exhausted after one season? Only finding yourself next year, adding more spawn, more labor, starting the patch all over again. I guess I think long term for patches. After a couple of years I let my patches decompose completely and then I have a gift from nature. Mushroom compost! Which I use for growing other edibles on my land or use to barter with neighboring farms.
I apologize. I guess I'm thinking long term land management and I'm being biased in my comments. I'm sure dung and straw will work faster and better then woodchips but I never have used it. All animal fertilizers are like the bionic man when it comes to growth. Actually, I wonder if you could add dung and straw to an established woodchip patch and increase fruiting potential? This I daresay will be this springs experiment. Thank you Quote.
Anyone who grows is good and close to God. Lots of love.