3T; aka the Two-Tone Tek

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By Underground_Shaman (Shaman) on Monday, January 28, 2002 - 10:44 pm:

Greetings Nookians!!!

I would like to share with you the preliminary results from a series of experiments aimed at addressing the issues at the core of hydration and fruiting.

Most are likely familiar with the idea of putting a small amount of dry verm in the bottom of a jar when making cakes. A sort-of invitro double-end case. This trick works so nicely because fruiting often occurs at the edges of substrates.

My idea is simple: Add more of these layers throughout the middle of the cake. Thereby increasing the number of active edges.

This is uniquely different than stacking cakes (as has been recently suggested)...because the cake is a single colony/fruiting mass arising from mass spore inoculation; and not different colonies stacked one on top of the other.

Preliminary results suggest that such a modification will result in very distinct bands of knotting/pinning along these vermiculite voids in the cake, very similar to how pinning occurs on the top and bottom verm layers. Cloned strains are being used to compare average yeilds of these cakes with traditional PF cakes.

This tek addresses key issues: fruiting at the edges, and hydration (as the cakes can hold quite a bit of water after dunking because of the additional verm.)

These results are still preliminary. I encourage others to try this out and report back on the results.


I like "two-tone" because the uncolonized cakes have a very nice banded appearance from the different layers...

By Dr. Cubensis (Shroomzilla) on Monday, January 28, 2002 - 11:59 pm:

Would love to see the Results as they come.

Sounds like you might be onto something...
Keep up the good work!

By ion ewe (Ion) on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 01:49 am:

Very interesting... it will be tried. My buddy will use 1-2 grain thickness layers of medium verm. This is very similar to a thought he was having just earlier today...
To use one of those spiral apple slicers on a long cake.


By Martaxus (Martaxus) on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 02:58 am:

Would colonization be slowed any by having to go through the middle verm layer? Perhaps if 'outer rings' instead of a middle layer were used, the 'active edge' advantage would be maintained without slowing the progress through the middle cake mass?

Very interesting...

By An guy (Boomer) on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 04:09 am:

just occurred to me. this is just now thinking, not fact:

this fruiting-at-the-edge tendency- it's a way to spread the spores. it wouldn't fruit in the middle, or rather, the tendency would not be to fruit in the middle of a mass of mycelia, which is an area already colonized and eaten, but at the edge, where there's a better chance of dispersing to new territory.

as in fairy rings- some probably already have this thought, in fact i'm not entirely sure i didn't read it somewhere.

but anyways...that would explain it, and yeah, these are good ideas for taking advantage of this phenomenon. was it brad that sliced his cake into slabs for more edges?

what about doing this layering with flat cakes?making a section of crumbled cake, laying in a divider of verm, another section of crumbles, another divider, etc- a horizontal version of what you're talking about shaman. might be a case of diminishing returns, I don't know.

but your vertical layering sounds worthwhile, and I'll def try it.

By ion ewe (Ion) on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 04:25 am:

Exactly my thinking, boomer. No sense in dropping spores where mycelia has already taken hold...

There are, of course, millions of combinations of ideas to choose when growing fungus... this, in it's own right, is another. The flat thing may work, but not quite on the same principles. This idea is a way for those who like jar-form cakes to maximize their potential fruiting speed. With the flat cake, the same concept is inherent, but with an already novel approach. Technically, we could say to birth from the jar, crumble the cake, and put it back in the jar to form a "cylinder cake tek". See what I mean? Anyway, you can experiment any way you wish... my buddy was thinking of making cakes in milk-bone dog biscuit shapes and hanging them in a terrarium like a baby mobile... I'll get back to ya on that one.


By Maliki vision seaker (Maliki) on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 07:12 am:

How come nobody ever notices when i say say this stuff. I thought it was just me. Ive spoted the same thing . There is defanetly an edge fruiting habit so by breking up the edges you should create more fruiting areas. The edges make sence its a biological proces there usaly very well adapted to there inviroments. The further out you go the further you can be spread.

By nuecrew (Nue) on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 09:38 am:

"The further out you go the further you can be spread" That is it in a nutshell.

By quote: (Quote) on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 02:11 pm:

a brilliant idea, shaman.
i'll investigate this one personally as i'm mixing jars 2day.
got some nice south american mycellial water to try on it, we'll see what grows, and where.
thx for sharing.

By Underground_Shaman (Shaman) on Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 07:02 pm:

Thanks for the enthusiasm, everyone.
I hope you all have success with it as well.

Maliki: the difference is that of stating an hypothesis, and testing that hypothesis. Many have observed edge fruiting; indeed the phenomenon is probably as old as the shrooms themselves.

But to design an experiment to test that hypothesis...that is the scientific method in action! It has taken years of work for me to come up with something really original. I am honored to share it with this wonderful community.

I dunno, Quo. Have I actually done it? Could this be called a "new" tek?

If anyone else tries this, please let me know your results.

One more thing, I believe that the observations about strain specificity probably still hold here. That is to say, some strains may have more of an "edge-fruiting" tendency than others.

Likewise, I was thinking...the banding effects may be enhanced by cloning from an "edge-fruiter" (I will be testing this second hypothesis in the near future).

By quote: (Quote) on Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 07:15 pm:

it's certainly new to me, we'll see how it grows.