|By Masta Blasta (Mastablasta) on Saturday, January 26, 2002 - 03:53 am:|
I saw some posts dated winter 2001 saying that PF wasn't good with the inner reservoir tek. Based on the post I read (and the fact that the pf and reservoir tek thread was deleted), I'm now wondering if this was actually the degenerated pf strain that the person was using. I'm guessing that the pf strain reacts just as well as all other strains. Can anybody confirm this and share their overall yield improvements per cake?
|By quote: (Quote) on Saturday, January 26, 2002 - 03:27 pm:|
he mentioned the high incidence of cobweb mold as the key factor, caused mainly by over-wet vermiculite.
|By Fanaticus (Fanaticus) on Saturday, January 26, 2002 - 04:59 pm:|
I think Masta Blasta has a good point. The bad PF fruitings I have seen with the INner reservoir tek was done with the degenerated PF race.
a retest is in order with the restored PF race.
So as far as the PF, it probably works great, but all in all, the double ended casing tek rules as far as what I have experienced.
|By Cragith Kilbonith (Kilborn) on Saturday, January 26, 2002 - 06:12 pm:|
Iv experienced the same thing fanaticus,The PF strain with double ended casing tek is the best
|By Fanaticus (Fanaticus) on Sunday, January 27, 2002 - 05:54 pm:|
Cakes that are double cased have the same advantage of dunking, but the water input is more gradual, hence superiour.
Also, when you take a PF cake and smash it up (hate that) and then case it with verm, is really the same thing.
The rule is, to immediately birth and case the PF race because it fruits real fast.
All the other races should be allowed to sit fully colonized for a week or two, and then birthed and double cased.
In all my years, the double ended cake casing tek is the only way to go for reliability and consistancy of fruiting. It always works great for all the races.
And this is the foundation of crumbling the cake and casing with verm. It is really the same thing, but it takes longer to reset, although the first flush can be really kick ass. But the whole cakes can be very easily cleaned and recased for at least two more flushes after the first, and I know it is possible to get 4 or 5.
The real secret is to max the water content at first. Adding water later doesn't do it as good as lots of water in the first place. Cakes seem to be fairly water resistance (don't seem to suck up water very fast) - so the double ended casing tek is slow and gradual, which is the way the shrooms seem to like it the best.
|By Some Body (Texasshroomer) on Sunday, January 27, 2002 - 09:07 pm:|
I currenty have 10 PF race jars colonizing and 10 hawaiian jars colonizing.
So based on the above post, I should birth and double end case the PF race soon after full colonization and let the hawaiians go for an extra week or two before birthing and double ended casing?
Should I wait for invitro pinning before birth in both cases?
Perhaps I'm confused, please correct me if I'm wrong.
|By Liberty_Caps (Liberty_Caps) on Sunday, January 27, 2002 - 10:37 pm:|
In my experinece I say wait till you start to see pins forming in the jars then birth... if you wait too long then birth they abort
|By quote: (Quote) on Monday, January 28, 2002 - 02:34 am:|
The real secret is to max the water content at first. Adding water later doesn't do it as good as lots of water in the first place. Cakes seem to be fairly water resistance (don't seem to suck up water very fast) - so the double ended casing tek is slow and gradual...
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Monday, January 28, 2002 - 04:33 am:|
Is my buddy the only person on earth who gets up to 7 (sometimes 8) flushes!? Everyone keeps talking like their cakes always die after 3 or 4 flushes... Granted, the flushes my buddy gets are not always the largest, but the cake still gives the expected dry mass of fruits over time. How odd...
|By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Monday, January 28, 2002 - 06:47 am:|
Ion, do you happen to know a rough dry average that your friend gets from a single PF cake? I have gotten up to 7 flushes on several occasions. Usually, however, I let my cakes flush 3 or 4 times and then get rid of those cakes to make room for new ones. Rarely do I pitch cakes because they are dead or contamed but rather because of spacial limitations.
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Monday, January 28, 2002 - 09:49 am:|
I see. You should try to start an outdoor bed with the old material...
On average it's probably around 10-12 grams. There was at least one that flushed heavily 5 out of 8 times and produced a little over 20 grams dry fruit! Stupidly enough, no clones were made... too busy, I guess.
|By quote: (Quote) on Monday, January 28, 2002 - 02:20 pm:|
rather difficult to believe a 20 gram yield when there are only ~44 grams of brf in a cake...
biologic efficiency & all, you know ?
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Monday, January 28, 2002 - 05:26 pm:|
Yeah, we thought it was pretty strange, too. One weird thing, though... the cake itself was crumbly to certain degree. It was as if the myc grew less densely than normal, but still used up all the available food. It was an IR cake and sometimes the water would actually bead up near the bottom (where the barrier used to be). This was before all the groovy developements of dunking and such... I don't know, man, but it was a sweet deal!
|By Fanaticus (Fanaticus) on Monday, January 28, 2002 - 06:46 pm:|
HIPPIE SAYS: I definitly agree with pf about initial water being the most important.
but i'm going to venture to guess that pf has virtually no experience dunking, correct me if i'm wrong.
PF says: - I have tried to a limited degree and found it to work.
But actually, these different approaches are all up for grabs. They can all work just fine. But the important thing is that Quote agrees with me, in that it is the most important thing to get a very high (maximum) water content in the substrate from the beginning. This definitely is the way to go - max water.
So you just choose and go.
|By Brettiejams (Brettiejams) on Monday, January 28, 2002 - 07:16 pm:|
I definitely agree with the water being most important in the begining.
When I first started doing grain casings, the water content in my grain was a little off, I could tell by the fruiting.
I tried to add more water to the casings by making a bunch of small sterlile water injections into the substrate... it did not work.
For the second flush, I made sure to fully hydrate the substrate through the casing layer (and the addition of damp verm at the bottom of my casing) before pinning occoured, and the next flush was real good.
Once pinning has begun, it is really too late to add the water needed to sustain the flush, the water should already be there before that happens.