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By Sporeboy (Sporeboy) on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 12:36 am:

Hello all

Do any of you folks know of green cleaning/sterilizing solutions?I detest Lysol and the likes.It is a nasty chemical and I would like to find a healthy solution for all to use.If we value shrooms we should value our health.Sorry for the ranting

love and light

By Imok Urok2 (Imok) on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 02:38 am:

There is something called Simple Green.
I have heard it is approved for cleaning industrial food prep areas.
Found it at Sams Wholesale Club.
Also, maybe orange clean (like the advertisment)?
Never tried either for this application :)

By Rhiz Lamellae (Annulus) on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 03:01 am:

I absolutely love Simple Green. I use it to clean nearly everything in the house. However, I would recommend using their antibacterial disinfectant as opposed to their all-purpose cleaner.

There is also this stuff called Benefect. I've never used it, but it's supposed to be all-natural.

There was a report that came out a few years ago from the University of North Carolina regarding the effectiveness of all-natural disinfectants. They basically said that conventional disinfectants were a lot better at killing microbes than their all-natural counterparts. I might be able to find the report if you're interested.

By plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420) on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 05:35 am:

wouldn't you need a "harsh, unnatural chemical" to effectively kill living organisms such as bacteria, fungi, and mold... i mean it has to be toxic to kill them right?

By Rhiz Lamellae (Annulus) on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 07:12 am:

Turns out the UNC report wasn't that hard to find. Seems they only tested the effectiveness of natural/commercial disinfectants on "potential human pathogens", not on mushie
pathogens. I wonder why? The problem is that they tested a host of commercial products against only baking soda and vinegar, but not against commercially produced 'natural' disinfectants.

Anyway, I'm rambling. Here's the link, but basically it just says what plink said above. To be totally assured that all those tiny critters are killed, you kinda need to use "harsh, unnatural chemicals". But if you're concerned with the residual effects of those products, then take a little risk and use one of the aforementioned natural cleaners. Sorry if this is a bit incoherent. It's way past my bedtime.

By Sarah (Comets) on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 03:08 pm:

Here's something I found recently online, could be very interesting. Plus this recipe would be much cheaper than lysol....

Vinegar as a disinfectant

By itself, vinegar is not a disinfectant, but when used with hydrogen
peroxide, it kills bacteria more effectively than any commercial cleaner.
Susan Sumner, a food scientist at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State
University (VPI) in Blacksburg, Virginia, published the following formula
in Science News. Purchase a bottle of 3 percent hydrogen peroxide and a
bottle of plain white or apple cider vinegar. Pour each liquid into its
own spray bottle. Spritz the item to be disinfected with both the vinegar
and the hydrogen peroxide, then rinse with water.
Using one mist right after the other is ten times more effective than
usually spray by itself and more effective than mixing the vinegar and
hydrogen peroxide in one spray bottle. Tests at VPI found the tow sprays
used together killed virtually all Salmonella, Shigella, or E. coli
bacteria on heavily contaminated food and surfaces; this spray combination
is more effective than chlorine bleach.
It doesn't matter if you spray with the vinegar first, then the hydrogen
peroxide, or vice versa. There is no lingering taste of vinegar or
hydrogen peroxide, and neither is toxic if any reside remains. This
combination works exceptionally well for sanitizing counters and other food
preparation surfaces, including wood cutting boards.

Natural Home magazine, Jan/Feb, 2002

By An guy (Boomer) on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 09:20 pm:

holy shit sarah- I'm gonna try this, and thanks for the info!

I wonder how it does on mold spores.....all the things you mention are bacteria...

guess I could run some tests.....

but thanks a bunch. this is gold to me..

By onediadem (Onediadem) on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 09:49 pm:

Good Find Sarah. I havent seen you post before, so Welcome aboard......! Have you tried this personally?
be well,

By Dr. Cubensis (Shroomzilla) on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 09:55 pm:

Hey sarah, not to be a pig or anything, but we don't see to many girls around these parts....


Ah never mind...

By onediadem (Onediadem) on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 10:54 pm:

Back Zilla, Back.....Dont run Sarah off, your right not many girls around here. I could use some back up!!
Dont run away Sarah, he really is harmless.

By quote: (Quote) on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 11:04 pm:

interesting info, sarah.
wonder if the vinegar/peroxide routine has any effect on healthy mycellia or trich?

By Brettiejams (Brettiejams) on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 11:15 pm:

If it really works, that would be a great news.

By plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420) on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 11:30 pm:

hi sarah!!

By Sporecount (Sporecat) on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 01:07 am:

Hello one and all,
I thank all of you for your help.I would like to start a sub movement in the growing community.It would be one of finding viable solutions to growing needs.I have used Walmart and the corporate behemoths for supplies and am making an effort to stamp them out of the growing process.I would not want my children to shop there so why would I want my shrooms to grow with their stuff?I understand that they are convenient and all but buck that!!!

Love and light

By Imok Urok2 (Imok) on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 07:49 am:

Sara reminded me of something,
A nutritionist I once knew recomended apple cider
vinegar that had not been distilled, just
reduced with water to 5% acidity, to treat
foot fungus.
I have used that remedy since, as needed, and it
has never failed to work.
Hope this helps :)

By An guy (Boomer) on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 09:22 am:

>>wonder if the vinegar/peroxide routine has any effect on healthy mycellia or trich?

i volunteer to check on that.

i consider myself a grand master at growing trich....

By quote: (Quote) on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 04:20 pm:

me too.

this could be important if only a little effective against trich.
let us know your results asap, plz.

By Sarah (Comets) on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 06:30 pm:

Hi guys! Yes indeed that was my first post. I've been lurking but became motivated to post once i finally felt I had something to contribute. Thanks for the kind welcome. This is my favorite mushroom board. Definelty the best signal-to-noice ratio.

I haven't actually used the recipe in a mushroom context. But I have some jars that need to be cased soon so I will be giving it a try. But I have used it in the kitchen and bathroom and generally everywhere people tend to touch. It seems to be working well.

By Nan (Nanook) on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 09:50 pm:

Welcome aboard. If there is anything we can do, just holler.

And guys... Be gentlemen please

By Dr. Cubensis (Shroomzilla) on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 10:41 pm:

Were you just looking at me funny nan when you said that? I could swear that you were!!! LOL!!

Welcome to the Party Sarah!

By ggg (Ggg) on Friday, January 25, 2002 - 11:37 am:

Welcome Sarah

Feel free to stare in a funny way at the giant shroom lizard. Most of us here do.

Sporecount: please see thread down in general-

By Ron (Clubbenguy) on Friday, January 25, 2002 - 08:43 pm:

But, still, Great to have a new comer. Welcome Sarah, and I hope we can help you out as much as you can help us....by the looks of things you are already giving more than receiving....WE LOVE THAT AROUND HERE!!! Lol, Enjoy your time here.

By A Drunk Bastard (Adb) on Friday, January 25, 2002 - 08:46 pm:

saw the talk about vinegar n though any of you people who take buckin the system to the point of avoiding pharmacuticals would find this interesting.

here is a treatment that can be used for otitis media & swimmer's ear that one of my professors(very knowledgable guy on 'alternative' medicine) told us about. i'm not an MD and have not had either of those conditions since learning about this.... so i can't say anything about its effectiveness from 1st hand experience.(ok that was my disclaimer)

3 parts water
2 parts vinegar
1 part alcohol(rubbing alcohol)

you need to get this solution to close to body temp so heating the water b4 mixing is an easy way to do that. well you take the solution and a turkey baster or other similar device to suck up that solution & put it into the ear canal to clean it all out. do this 2-3 times a day & that is suppose to take care of the problem in a few days(less than a week)

guess that's my $.02 on vinegar stuff :)

By onediadem (Onediadem) on Friday, January 25, 2002 - 09:15 pm:

In Germany, with their water table being so low, I think most people us "green" products like white vinegar to clean with. Its awsome, cleans just about everything, but I dont know know about killing contams.

By An guy (Boomer) on Friday, January 25, 2002 - 09:56 pm:

k, i have a beautiful batch of one of my prize trich strains growing, just fluffed out overnight.

I have to go to town and when I get back, i'll be spraying down 1/2 of the container, and leaving the other half to grow, to compare the results.

should have a preliminary answer by tomorrow, i would guess, but will continue to observe over the course of the next few days.

will be using regular 3% and apple cider vinegar, which isn't distilled.

got brand new spray bottles and everything.

this won't include mycelium, it is on a vegetative subtstrate. I don't have enough mycelia going right now to screw around with. thoughts on that though, worth nothing till you test them, i've learned, are: the h2o2 helps the growth, as it breaks down and releases o2 and provides moisture- have observed this.

vinegar, being acidic, will inhibit the mycelia, but will break down and possibly be then overgrown.

anyways, should have a trich answer in a day or two.

By An guy (Boomer) on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 06:56 am:

ok, I tried it on some trich, or some kind of green mold, and it worked, killed it dead.

deal is though, it only killed on contact. I grew a batch on some tea grounds, a loose, airy kind of substrate of it.

Sprayed half of a longish tub to compare. killed it, other side grew. But then, it came back in from the sides and under and wow, it came in stronger than the unsprayed side was doing. It was like i had fertilized it.

all I know so far.

By Ron (Clubbenguy) on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 07:05 am:

Well Boomer, its people like you and I (as well as many others) (experimenters) that help others get ahead in this hobby. Thanks for both experimenting and reporting.....really helps everyone out.

By Maliki vision seaker (Maliki) on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 06:50 pm:

While mixing your casing, just mist in a 5% Vodka/h20 solution until you get the right consistency, moist not wet..Stamets advocates the use of 'acetone' but you can't drink that on the side. After applied, you can keep it moist with a 15:1 h202/h20 mixture as added precaution..GoodLuck!

any body have an opinion on this ? Suposedly it will controll green mold in casing layers.

By Vitti (Vitticeps) on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 07:05 pm:

Seems to me the alcohol would evaporate long before any mold thought about growing there. But I've never tried it so I can't speak from experience.

By ion ewe (Ion) on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 07:35 pm:

15 parts peroxide to 1 part water? That's a bit strong if you still want the mycelium to grow.

The alcohol mix sounds too weak to do much good. Generally, the stuff only kills bacteria and some of the weaker endospores, anyway. I think it might make trich a little tipsy... but then it just gets beligerent.

Where'd you get this info?


By Vitti (Vitticeps) on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 07:47 pm:

lol ion... I love your humor.

By Maliki vision seaker (Maliki) on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 07:11 am:

From the old drool donky boards. I figured maybe Quote would know the final outcome of these teks.

By An guy (Boomer) on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 07:20 am:

I dont' know about the outcome, but here's something:

Where i used to work, they specialize in sterilization, literally.

The did a recent study, one of my ex-co-workers told me about it, to be able to put into place some new procedures-

sprayed surfaces down with alchohol and let them sit a few days. Now this place is cleaner than your average home in some ways, but still there are ups deliveries everyday, and constant walking back and forth outside to get to different parts of the facility.

After a few days, they took cultures from the sprayed surfaces- I ain't gonna 100% guarantee I got this right, but if I do, what the results were were that those cultures came up sterile- even after the alchohol dried, it left an inhosptiable residue.

I don't have the agar or other gear to test this out, just passing on what I think I heard....

I'm gonna have to talk to that guy again, or email this other one...

anyways, just thought i'd pass it on

By Maliki vision seaker (Maliki) on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 06:40 pm:

Now that actualy makes sence as the post said staments advocates the use of acetone. Wich also evaporates 100%. I think i will look into it. I just found my flat cake has cobweb. Just starting. LONNGGGG weblike strands streac over a 1/4 of the cake wernt there 7 hours ago. So peroxide I am going.

By Brad (Raze) on Saturday, February 02, 2002 - 06:16 am:

Not all acetone evaporates clean... Thats one thing you have to think of when making hash oil. Test it on a clear surface first to see if it leaves res.

By Chuck Dicey (Dirtywop) on Saturday, February 02, 2002 - 02:18 pm:

What Stamets said...
"Under conditions of high humidity, CO2, and acetone, bacterial populations spiral. In a way not presently understood, some of these bacteria act as a trigger to fruiting."
" If acetone has a stimulatory effect on the microflora that induces fruitification, soil treated with acetone should allow for earlier primordia formation than control samples."

I don't think he was talking about controling contaminants at all w/ acetone...He was talking about the introduction of a beneficial bacteria into the casing layer, and since this bacteria (Pseudomonas putida) grows on substrate whose sole carbon source is acetone, the introduction of this in the casing layer could provide for higher levels of beneficial bacteria and earlier pinning.
Using acetone will probably just get you more contaminants.But what do I know?

Posted by: TimothyLeary Dec 04 02, 04:10 AM GMT
I heard that vinegar kills mold... unsure.gif

if this is true, does it kill fungus as well? huh.gif

i was thinking of making a vinegar/water mixture to mist
grow chambers with.

also, if it does kill mold and not fungus...i would like to try
a vinegar dunk for contamed cakes.

gimme some input here ion

Posted by: DirtyWOP Dec 04 02, 07:13 AM GMT
Quote tried adding vinegar to his bleach dunk and it resulted in more contams......
I don't know much about this stuff tho

Posted by: DirtyWOP Dec 04 02, 07:18 AM GMT
and vinegar is an acid.......so that can't be good

Posted by: ion Dec 04 02, 09:14 AM GMT
Sorry, bro. Wop's right. Acid bad. Vinegar tends to help stunt mycelium growth and resistance to contamination... and it promotes the growth of many lower fungi (types of contams). Not all "molds" are killed by vinegar... many love it.


Posted by: brainbreath Dec 06 02, 07:48 PM GMT
trich especially loves it, lost so many cakes with that bleach/vinegar/water shit....

Posted by: Nanook Dec 07 02, 04:40 AM GMT
Trich prefers an acid pH wink.gif

Posted by: killdannow Dec 16 02, 07:06 PM GMT
so on a different note, could make some baking soda water, and perhaps mist a casing that has trich, or mist the casing in betweeen flushes with such a mixture?

Posted by: killdannow Dec 16 02, 07:07 PM GMT
maybe to dunks too, since the fungus prefer a basic enviroment?

Posted by: Nanook Dec 16 02, 10:34 PM GMT
It would be better to put 1 teaspoon pickling lime in a gallon of water, stir well, let settle and use that for dunking.

P.S. Nothing stops Trich really. That's why bioweapons are banned wink.gif