PF spore race genetic breakdown

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PF explains the degenerated strain  -    

By quote: (Quote) on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 03:22 pm:

From PF's website:

"Important notice - January 5 2002
During the middle of 2001, the PF spore race shroom suffered a genetic breakdown related to the appearance of the PF albino mutant shroom. The effected PF spore race strains fruit poorly and sparsely, with not much of any invitro performance. The germination of the spores is good and the mycelium looks just fine, but the fruiting is very poor.

This broken PF spore race has been canceled and PF spores from a few years ago were started. The PF spore race performance is back.

Any PF customer in the last year who has received this degenerated PF race, should write PF a letter describing it. A free syringe of the restored PF spore race will be sent.

PF "

By Maliki vision seaker (Maliki) on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 04:00 pm:

I tell ya i sure hope that isnt what the problem is here with my foaf's go at it , as he got his start material from a friend who got his spores from PF. Me thinks I need to get A tried and true strain from someone . Quote who could i get som cyanecens form in here. Im looking for a good clean print for my foaf, even a partial as he has gotten good with his glove box and still has agar all ready to go. This friend was also tring to figure out why his setup was doing so shaty because it allways did so good using the pf race, O well trial and trivulations of the hobby.

By quote: (Quote) on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 04:25 pm:

try ralphster for some cyans....

By Maliki vision seaker (Maliki) on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 04:57 pm:

cool beans

By Cragith Kilbonith (Kilborn) on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 08:08 pm:

Ackkkk Im confused quote sorry, If I ordered the Albinos before I should write to him and get a free NEW syringe of some good genetics of ABLINO? or PFC? I ordered like 6 albino syringes total :)

By Liberty_Caps (Liberty_Caps) on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 08:24 pm:

maby thats why my PF race has sucked.. barly any fruiting compared to the hawwian..
so hes saying if I write him a letter ill get a fresh good gentic syringe?????
because i got my syringes in the middle of 2001 like he said?

By Cragith Kilbonith (Kilborn) on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 08:34 pm:

quote do you know what months?

By mr. mista (Mistabud) on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 10:25 pm:

"strains fruit poorly and sparsely, with not much of any invitro performance. The germination of the spores is good and the mycelium looks just fine, but the fruiting is very poor"

That describes my spores to the tee. Guess I'll be writing a letter today.

By quote: (Quote) on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 12:15 am:

i know nothing of this,
i'm merely repeating what's on pf's site.

By mr. mista (Mistabud) on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 12:31 am:

Thanks for bringing it to attention. I would have never seen that.

By ion ewe (Ion) on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 02:50 am:

Wow. PF really is a great guy! How many companies would replace your seeds because of poor flowering, but excellent growth?
That's how to run a business!
Now where's that address book of my buddy's...


By Pericles Athenian (Pericles) on Monday, February 04, 2002 - 03:15 am:

Hello, newbie here. All the vast amounts of helpful information here is great. Thanks to all of you wise contributors. I am in the fruiting stage of my first attempt. I am however slightly concerned with the possibility that I may have the degenerate PF strain. My lack of experience leaves me nothing to compare my results with. I initally innoculated 6 jars. They all took an average of 40 days for the first primordia to appear. It took so long because I didn't have an incubator until several days after innoculation. Those six jars have been birthed, the first one was on Jan 27. I'm a little bit unsure how the fruiting is coming along compared to how it should be coming along. There are certainly not nearly as many fruit as there are on the cake pictured a few days after birth in the printed addition of the PF tek. One of the jars has not fruited at all. 5 of the 6 are double end cased w/ vermiculite, the other is sitting in a tray of vermiculite, but none on top. I innoculated another 3 jars which have not yet fruited, but reached full colonization much quicker. The quickest took 15 days, the slowest, 20 days. The jar that colonized in 15 days has been waiting in the incubation chamber for 6 days, and still no sign of primordia. I purchesed my PF syringe from PF sometime in early December or late November. I hope that the strain is ok, I will have plunged lots of money into spores unsuccessfully. The first time I attempted to order spores I never saw my money (or spores) again, that's the risk you run with cash. Thanks so much for all the help. Wthout this bored it is assured that I would have given up by now, but instead I have found a quite entertaining but painfully slow hobby.

By Abbyite (Isaac) on Monday, February 04, 2002 - 07:20 am:

Hey man,
I'm not sure, but I think those are probably the degenerate spores. I'm in the exact same position- I'm a newbie too, and I ordered the same thing around the same time as you and I definitely had the degenerate spores. Anyways, you can write to PF and tell him what happened (when you got your PF strain spores) and he will replace it for free. That's what I did and seems to me like you might as well. It's a bummer, but it happens. I hope all goes well. Take it easy.
your bud,

By plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420) on Monday, February 04, 2002 - 11:59 pm:

it may not be degenerated, if it is fruiting... that's a good sign... i mean, it's difficult to get the kind of flushes fanaticus gets... the man(or woman) is extremely talented... it sounds like you are doing okay... have you been exposing the colonized jars to light?.. you could always write to pf, but i wouldn't suggest it unless you are sure they are the degenerated race... bad karma and all, you know... but if you are getting fruit, then you should be okay... if nothing else, you could always drop another 20 bones and get some more from him and compare results... i know you say that you have already invested alot of money in spores already, but just an idea... if they are indeed the degenerated race, then like isaac said, pf will replace them for free

By Abbyite (Isaac) on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 12:54 am:

I think you should definitely take plinkerdink's advice- he's WAY more knowlegable than I am. Like I said, I'm just a newbie myself. So forget what I said. Sorry I gave you the wrong info. Anyways, good luck and take it easy.
your bud,

By Hatcher (Hatcher) on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 01:27 am:

Plink, ya thnk if they're the degerates they won't fruit at all? I might have gotten some of them as well. Haven't fruited the jars yet, but should be dunkin' 'em instead of typing..
I'm into my second year now, and started off w/PF, so I pretty much know what to expect most of the time. But I was kinda anticipating them to fruit, just not perform, ya know?Whatever I've got colonized just fine.
What size jars Pericles?


By Brettiejams (Brettiejams) on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 01:41 am:

The degenerated strain can fruit, from what I've been reading.... just doesn't do it very well.

If you have had previous experience with the PF strain, the difference should be obvious, I hear.

The time that guy says he got his spores sounds like he could have gotten the de-generated PF race.

Give em a chance, but if they don't fruit well, write PF a snail mail letter and get your syringe replaced.

By Hatcher (Hatcher) on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 01:48 am:

That's my guess too. Ordered late Dec., will find out soon. Thanks Brettie..

By plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420) on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 03:59 am:

i'm by no means in any way at all even slightly an expert, i was just tryin' to help... didn't know how the degenerated race performed... but figured if they were already fruiting, then you may be safe...

By Pericles Athenian (Pericles) on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 04:02 am:

They have fruited some but not what I was expecting....maybe I just had high hopes. If it is the case that they are the degenerate strain will the potency be diminished? My understanding was that the degenerate strain colonized the same and had the same magic power, but had far fewer fruits than normal.

By Hatcher (Hatcher) on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 04:09 am:

The PF race abhorts like a mutha, look for that first. If ya don't see alot of 'em that ain't gonna make, probably won't see many that will...

By Brettiejams (Brettiejams) on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 04:14 am:

You are right Plink, he needs to be sure first.

Heck, I have four unused syringes of P.F. spores that I am waiting to see whether or not they need to be replaced... I have 10 jars about ready to birth from the fifth syringe I purchased. I bought them around that same time too.

Won't take much longer for me to find out though.

The fruiting is very lackluster from the denegenerated strain, from what I've read.

Don't try to scam PF, but don't hesitate to make a request for a replacement if you know it is bad, either.

By Hatcher (Hatcher) on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 05:15 am:

Soon as I get unit two online, fine-tuning now, let cha know, for what it's worth. Be like two weeks tho, of course..

Whoo hoo! that's alot of time. 'Bout kills me.the impatience
ya hear here all the time.. To take pot seed to harvest in four months, as good as can be manged, takes a hell of a lot more effort, space, expence, and risk. Was still fun tho!..

But this is much more interesting, by a long shot, and, not only a whole lot less obtrusive and w/in lower budgets, a hell of a lot faster to harvest..

By Gregory Topper (Socalshroomer) on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 08:20 pm:

Excerpt from "The Mating Mind" by Geoffrey Miller (2000):

Chapter 4

Before sexual reproduciton evolved, there were several ways for organisms to accomplish the evolutionary task of spreading their DNA around. There was teh divide-and-conquer strategy: wrap DNA in single cells that busily eat nutrients until they grow large enough to split in half, leaving each half to grow and split in turn. Bacteria are the masters of this technique, capable of doubling their populations every few minutes, but vulnerable to mass extermination through perils such as toothbrushes and soap.

There was also the cloning-factory strategy: grow a body with billions of cells, and then assign the task of DNA-spreading to a priviledged minority of those cells, which bud off to make new, genetically identical bodies. Many fungi reproduce this way, epitomizing the rustic virtues of simplicity and fecundity. Yet this strategy, though successful in the short term, stores up trouble for the long term. once a harmful mutation arises, as is sooner or later will, there is no means of expunging it. This propensity to accumulate damaging mutations makes such asexual species quite unsuited to evoloving much sophistication. This is because bodily and mental sophistication require a great deal of DNA, and the more DNA one has, the moer trouble mutations cause.

In the last few hundred million years, an increasing number of species have turned to a third way of spreading their DNA around - the fashionable new method called sexual reproduction.........

End Excerpt.


By QuiDDity (Quiddity) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 08:21 pm:

I have a number of Pf's, i'm almost positive they are the infamous degenerates. they are 100% and ready for birthing. Before I do i would like to know if anyone has had any experiece with the degenerates. If so, are they worth even birthing. What kind of yeild can i expect from one cake, if i can get even 2 doses from 4 or 5 cakes it would be worth it for me because this is my first time growing. i have some hawaiians that are very close to 100% as well, i have much higher expectations for them. i would really love some advice

By quote: (Quote) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 08:41 pm:

my last batch was pretty sad, barely an ounce from 24 cakes.