Monday Update, dung/in-vitro/casings/flies & New Hope

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By Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer) on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 05:08 pm: The Nook

Good morning Quote! Nan! Hatcher! Brettie!!

And all the regulars here who make my mondays something to look forward to!!
Was a pretty good weekend for me! Got a lot accomplished!

This weekend my friend learned some VALUABLE lessons. It seems just when you think you know all you need to know, something slaps you in the face and lets you know that your knowledge is all of about 7%... * YIKES!* * grin *

Starting with the dung casings... Oh boy. Last weekend my buddy was all excited about his casings, 50/50 dung/verm. He had around 20 trays in his fruiting chamber, but overlooked a few... details. Everything was fine, until he noticed that the casings had black flies in them. Geez, he had sterilized the dung in quart jars and didn't even think about bugs. So here he has 20 trays, in his ROOM, with shit and flies. THat was the end of that.

He took half the casings, buried them in an outside box ( in thier pans ) with about a half inch of damp, black soil to cover them. He dunked 5 more, and then placed them into upside down pint jars in about 2 inch squares. He then soaked the other five and placed them into large plastic bags. They are currently in a large chamber at 75 degrees.

Anyone knows what to do with 5 square feet of FULLY colonized grain and dung, by all means, throw my buddy a bone!! They are sitting in the fridge waiting for thier time to produce. Really need some ideas for this.

Next on the agenda, IN-VITRO! My friend thought in-vitro was for kids. He thought he was destined to be a master at casing!! Fuck that. Keeping open trays in a HUGE chamber where humidity must be maintained is tough. After seeing Hatchers success ( I showed him of course :) ) He has decided to try and duplicate what works for hatcher. THus the casings on risers in pints, as well as the 30 some odd quarts he has stuck dunked cakes that have been colonizing for 1 and 1/2 months, he needed something special for these babies, and he found it! Just in time! THANKS HATCHER!!! After two days jars containing casings and cakes look GREAT! Desperately needed a better bulk tek than the ones muh buddy has been experimenting with.

Gonna take hatchers way a step further even. Tonight buddy is planning on
taking a few quarts of colonized grain/seed and pour them into half pints to knit, then he will try dunking them, and then in-vitro into the quarts. Needless to say he is very excited.

Thats the Monday update! Any comments??

By Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer) on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 07:11 pm: The Nook

Ok, spent the last two and a half hours posting to the board, knocked myself back umpteen posts, so bumping me back up :)

By Brettiejams (Brettiejams) on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 07:40 pm: The Nook

Dunking grains is tough... I played with it a while back and had very limited success.

My advice would be this... after the dunk, let your dunked substrate drain on paper towels for an hour or two, and then, put 'em back into the fridge to recover for a while(amd keep contams in check), and then birth, or case or whatever you are gonna do with your substrate.

For some reason dunked, colonized, grain substrate just seems to want to contam.

By Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer) on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 08:06 pm: The Nook

Thanks again Brettie.

Hadn't really heard about dunking grains...

And that LIMITED sucess thing in bold letters...
Hmmmmm, I think you made your point. Or at least, I understand what you are getting at.

He did some dunking of the dung/seed casings and no contam yet..... Not visible at this point anyway.... But I will be sure to tell him to watch them closely....

If you come back to this thread, are there any optional reccomendations alternative to dunking colonized grains or colonized, cased grains??

My buddy wants to do grains in-vitro... But he
is sure he will need a LOT more moisture in the grains for the jar to regulate it's own humidity... How can he go about this??

Quote? Nan?? Anyone have an epiphany for me???? :)

By Brettiejams (Brettiejams) on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 08:42 pm: The Nook

You just add moisture to the grain through the casing layer, in the case of cased grains. This can be supplemented through the use of a wet verm or perlite layer on the bottom

If you are gonna do in-vitro, i'd stick with the standard P.F. cakes, personally.

I see too many red-flags for potential contamination in fruiting all-grain cakes in-vitro.

Mostly due to potential problems with re-hydration

Perhaps Quote has some an experience with fruiting all-grain in-vitro cakes... and knows how to make it work though.

By Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer) on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 09:13 pm: The Nook

Brettie, you da man.

I would love to get more info on hydrating grains...

Oh and

" and he found it! Just in time! THANKS HATCHER!!!"

Dammit, credit goes to CHRONIC. Dunno how I confused the two, hmmm, must be the drugs....


By quote: (Quote) on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 11:37 pm: The Nook

unfortunately, my experience parallels brettie's when it comes to dunking grains.

but that was with casings.
i have not tried dunking whole-grain cakes.
it might well work better without any verm., etc.

By Brettiejams (Brettiejams) on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 03:57 am: The Nook


I would love to get more info on hydrating grains...

First you cover your substrate with damp casing material... then, after a day or two, when the myc has started to grow into the casing layer, you water it up real good, and keep it pretty wet until it is time to intitiate the pinning.

Some of it is definitely feel. You don't want the casing layer too wet either.

Play with it a while and you'll get the hang of it.

A layer of wet verm or perlite on the bottom of your casing will give the substrate a source of water to draw from as well.

By Imok Urok2 (Imok) on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 05:33 am: The Nook

Would the Vodo tek work with grain-cakes?

By kobayashi (Impalerzz) on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 05:46 am: The Nook

I just dunked some small grain casings today, and crumbled & recased with a straw/worm cast/peat compost. I'm thinking if theory is correct, it'll just re-run itself throughout...

A couple tubs I crumpled, a couple I left whole...

I'm a little worried about too much moisture to the cakes...Is that possible??

They were small casings, produced a small 1st flush, then dunked and...(see top)


By Chronic007 (Chronic007) on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 05:46 am: The Nook

Well I just did 70 9'er tek 1/2 pint jars of full brown rice and I'm going to try them in my quart jar system using dunking for rehydration. Let you know how it goes.

By Brettiejams (Brettiejams) on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 06:18 am: The Nook

Yes, please keep us posted.. 007.

By Hatcher (Hatcher) on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 07:00 am: The Nook

Yea, not that good yet Dr. Cube! But I've been making my own prints and syringes,(worked w/five races so far), waiting to see how my first Karo jar is gonna do, and I'm probably gonna do my third case of wide mouthed 1/2pts. in whole grain rice, some maybe I'm not too far off...paying close attn. guys!:)

By Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer) on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 06:57 pm: The Nook

LOL! HAtcher, You will LOVE karo.....

Chronic, YEA!! Wanna know how that goes for sure! ( full brown rice )

Quote, Ok, tonight taking 12 tall jelly jars, filling with ( only ) colonized grain, letting them knit, and then dunking and in-vitro...

We'll see what happens with that.
And, so far the dunked birdseed/dung/verm casings are doing nicely. They are fluffing up, and even creating fuzz like cakes do before pinning...
Jars are LIGHTLY misted from condensation, nothing to lose.... Oh yea, they have been in the jars since sat night... Are now at 75 degrees in large hepa filtered, humidified chamber, wish me luck....