|By Snoopy (Snoopy) on Tuesday, January 01, 2002 - 11:06 pm:|
I have been reading in "Psilocybin Production" by Adam Gottlieb about extracting the active elements Psilocybin and Psilocin from just the mycelial material.
He basically outlines in a few steps. First dry out the mycelial matter in the stove at 200F, and than crumble and mix with absolute methonal in a hot water bath for 4ish hours. Keep doing this for 3-4 times until you are sure all the alkaloids are removed and than the remaining residue should contain 25-30% psilocybin/psilocin.
Going on to say that 100grams of mycelial matter will produce 2grams of this residue and in this residue there is 500mg of the psilocybin/psilocin.
Has anyone tried this? I usually don't use cakes after the 2nd or 3rd flush and was wondering if this would be a worth while endevor to try? I always like trying new things. Just curious if anyone has any advice / pointers
|By jack cracker (Cptcracker) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 03:08 am:|
once the mycelium starts forming knots it is producing magic. if it is there, you can extract it.
|By quote: (Quote) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 03:10 am:|
there's enough magic in spent cakes to make it worthwhile, i guess.
but there's not much actual mycellial mass in a cake, so it will take quite a few to get significant amounts.
|By Snoopy (Snoopy) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 03:36 am:|
Quote, perhaps you would know since yer an authority figure around her or maybe nan. How exactly would you go about seperating the mycelial matter from the vermiculite? Or is it when you give the cake a hot water bath that the magic is absorbed into the water? and that is what you allow to evaporate leaving the residue which would later be consumed?
Does anyone know any links or other places where I could read about this? I am pretty sure I have seen it elsewhere and this book doesn't have that great of a description for the process
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 03:37 am:|
Adam's a little behind the times. Do not dry the mycelia in an oven at any temperature! Do not use the poisonous methanol! Sheesh...
OK. Slice your cakes into 1/4 inch disks. Dry them crackery in a cool (refrigerated), airtight dessicant box. When ready, let them warm to room temp still inside the box. Take them out and crumble the disks well into a large mason jar. Shake to settle the pieces and powder. (You may opt to grind these to a powder in a coffee mill.) You want the jar only about half full of dried cake as it will expand. Now, fill the jar to about an inch or two above the dry material with grain alcohol (95% ethanol). Place the jar lid on tight and invert it twice. Now right it and crack the lid for just a second (this relieves some pressure if the mixture is warm). Close the jar again and shake a little more and set it in a cool, dark place. Shake it once or twice a day for three days. Now remove the lid and decant the liquid (probably bluish in color) from the solids. Store this liquid in the fridge in a sealed container (plastic water bottles will work well). Pour fresh alcohol just to the top of the solids (now fat and expanded). Treat as before. Decant liquid after three days, and squeeze the solids in a cheesecloth to remove almost all the liquid.
You may begin concentrating after the first extraction, but to get a more even distribution of alkaloids, it is best to first combine the liquids from both. Take out only small amounts of liquid to concentrate at one time. A rough guide (depending on the original potency) is about a liquid ounce or two per dose.
Drink it directly (this will probably really "dampen" your senses) or evaporate the alcohol by placing it in a small dish and blowing on it with a hair dryer set to low and about a foot away. Or place the dish on or by a floor vent in the winter. Just don't heat it above about 100 F if you can help it. You want it to air dry, but quickly. Drink the syrup (mixed with punch) or eat the goo (mixed with sandwich jelly) when there is no longer a pungent smell of alcohol emanating from it.
P.S. Nan, please reference this or something like it. I really don't want to post the same drivel repeatedly. Thank you, and Happy New Year!
|By quote: (Quote) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 04:36 am:|
you have a bad day, ion ?
|By Nan (Nanook) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 06:40 am:|
Yeah most everything of value gets into the archive Ion...
The problem I have with these techniques is that the mycelium really has low concentrations of magic until it ages... So your production of tissue in the form of mats of mycelia is not going to yield the potency of fruitbodies.
|By quote: (Quote) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 02:24 pm:|
for the record--
although ion is correct about methanol being toxic,
many chemists say it's the best solvent to use.
one must be extremely careful to dry the product free of all the alcohol, as the toxic compounds, added by our beloved government to forestall drinking it, will evaporate at the same temp as the methanol.
of course, this is a dangerous procedure involving explosive vapors, flammable liquids, etc. and should not be attempted by fools nor idiots.
|By Snoopy (Snoopy) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 04:49 pm:|
Hmmm all of this I'll take into consideration cakes are on their first flush right now but ion ewe you wrote a very good post, mush better than the one in the book and it makes sense to. Definately do appreciate the time you put into that.
P.S - Have you ever tried that? And did any success come out of it?
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Friday, January 04, 2002 - 06:44 am:|
Sorry guys. I really didn't mean to come off so harshly... I meant no harm to our resident newbies, Adam, or to you, Snoopy. I just don't want to see another of my hard copies lost in the background. It's my own fault for just typing directly and not backing it up on my computer, but I really work hard on these things, ya know? It's all in my head, so I've no need to write it down. Besides, you guys dislike double posts, don't you? A conundrum to say the least...
Snoopy, my buddy's done it a few times for ease of distribution at our "religious functions" (aka: parties of iniquity). It works well.
Impure Methanol (what you'd be using, most likely) is also hard to get out of a goo without heating.
About the potency of mycelium, you are correct, Nan. I would suggest that any mycelia used for extraction be grown out in total darkness for a month or so after full colonization. Expose it to light for a week still in the jar, and then birthe. Use the pins and all...
However, most who wish to do this are using cakes that have already flushed out a few times... sufficiently aged. To them, I say this: Make sure they're not contamed, then refrigerate them until you're ready to do the extraction (this keeps away contams for a while, but some believe it actually increases potency a bit!).
Aside from all this talk of mycelium, Nan, this method works very well for sporocarps, too... so there!