|By ShrooMaster (Shroomaster) on Tuesday, January 01, 2002 - 03:00 am:|
will dunking/injecting milk into a cake result in better potency? Ryche hawk [who btw doesnt care much for pf evidently] said that it all had to do with trytamines in the substrate. would the milk do this?
|By quote: (Quote) on Tuesday, January 01, 2002 - 02:57 pm:|
no evidence to support that.
let us know what you decide, if you try it.
|By ShrooMaster (Shroomaster) on Tuesday, January 01, 2002 - 10:11 pm:|
i just read it over and i want to clarify something: hawk say milk would increase potency. i thought it made sense but it could be misconstrude.
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 02:21 am:|
Milk is good for growing pumpkins. No real point for mushrooms... especially not the store-bought homogenized, pasteurized, vitamin D & A fortified stuff. Stop beating this dead cow... it's just too likely that one will acquire contaminations out the wazoo rather than actually helping the fungus to thrive.
|By quote: (Quote) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 03:00 am:|
well, we'll continue to experiment any way,
but thx for your opinion.
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Friday, January 04, 2002 - 07:02 am:|
No offense (for about the fifth time, today). I appreciate that people are experimenting... in fact, I encourage it! But some things have not been well established in our vast undertakings...
For instance, it isn't very well publicized that Magnesium is detrimental to fruiting and growth, but we continue to tell people to basify their casings. Dolomite and agricultural lime are both chock-a-block with magnesium! And these are most likely what people find in their local garden shops...
I could elaborate on why milk is a bad idea, but it would take quite a bit of time, probably not get archived, and people will be asking about it again in a month because somewhere on the internet someone's still saying, "Go for it, newbie! I don't care if you get soured cakes! That milk might help a teeny bit! And you need all the help you can get!"
No sarcasm. Just my opinion.
|By quote: (Quote) on Friday, January 04, 2002 - 01:23 pm:|
well, ion, there's a difference between theory and reality.
have you ever actually dunked with milk or are you just telling us what you think you know ?
because i have dunked in milk.
not just an opinion when it's been tested.
i'll freely admit that milk dunking is controversial and high risk, but i've done it enough times to know that the cakes don't sour from the milk that's been absorbed.
if the milk dunk is performed as per my instructions, under refridgeration on healthy young cakes, they usually survive just fine and go on to flush nicely.
so please try to be less condescending and a bit more open to the possibilities.
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 05:07 am:|
I'll respond in order of sentences:
1. I know.
2. My buddy has dunked in milk a few times with refrigeration. Even out of 20 jars (5 each of 4 variants) there were no noticeable differences in any respect from dunking in water. One of the PF flushes was very big, but nothing extraordinarily different than dunking with distilled water. He did see an increased rate of early contamination. Most of his cakes flush 6-8 times with proper care. Many of the milk dunks succumbed to contams (some stinky yellow crap, usually) on the 4th or 5th flush. We have surmised that it is an unsuitable idea for propagation considering the minimal (if not a complete lack of) obvious benefits and higher rate of contamination. Especially not for the novice cultivator.
5. I know you have.
4. I never said it was anyone's "opinion" to milk dunk.
4. You said it yourself. "High risk" However, because it sounds fancy and "controversial", people who don't have much experience are still going to want to try it too early.
5. I am happy to see that you have given out a set of instructions for this process. It does not mean that it will work for everyone, of course. And it may, in fact, be problematic for many. I ask you: What improvements have you seen with this process over simple water dunking? Post your results to give people an honest idea of what they're shooting for. This will let them decide if it's worth the possible problems.
6. I said, "No offense" for a reason. I mean no malice. My post was not condescending to those not looking for a fight. It's not that I'm just walking on eggshells so you don't get mad at me, and I'm certainly not trying to instigate you. I just want the facts out in the open with an objective tongue. No more of this puffy chested bullshit. I will digress...
|By quote: (Quote) on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 02:11 pm:|
"no more of this puffy chested bullshit"
he says, right after saying
"i'm certainly not trying to instigate you"
frankly, i'm not too worried about cakes falling to contams on the 4th or 5th flush, as you stated, after being dunked in milk.
plenty of non-dunked cakes bite the dust by that point, anyway.
maybe you do average 6-8 flushes out of pf-style cakes. i tend to be a skeptic, and frankly, i'd have to see it to believe such a claim from anyone.
but most people don't, that much is a fact.
i guess we just have different perspectives on the issue.
you want to surpress discusion of milk dunking,
ostensibly to protect the newbies,
while i am more interested in seeing more experiments done, to gather data for possible future improvements.
as for whether milk benefits the cakes more than mere water, i can't prove it either way.
not really enough solid data for conclusions yet.
hence, my interest.
i fubared my last entire test batch of 10 cakes by accidently freezing them.
but i'll keep trying.
|By ShrooMaster (Shroomaster) on Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 07:42 pm:|
thank you very much quopy
hey ion chill out ok. its a legit question and one worth asking. in my estimation its elitism thats hazardous to this board than any troll. so go eat some shroms .
|By ggg (Ggg) on Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 08:55 pm:|
Thats a really funny flame but take it easy.
Lets not make this a milk war.
|By quote: (Quote) on Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 10:07 pm:|
for the record,
i edited shroomaster's post to make it less offensive.
there's no need to be rude about any of this.
and i won't tolerate flames.
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 05:36 am:|
I was under the impression that you thought I was being "puffy chested". I didn't mean it that way. (I really hate how I can't get inflection across when writing... I really need to work on that.)
I understand your point of view. It's fine. Experiments are good, but I just want people to understand the risks. I'll shut up.
P.S. I thank you for not letting a third party enter this discussion for the purpose of conflagration.
|By Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer) on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 06:13 pm:|
Damn Ion!! I appreciate BOTH sides of the coin from you and quote.
IMHO this thread should be archived in the milk dunking section.
Shroomaster, Shame on you for writing such an inflamatory post towards someone spending thier time to offer advice. Get a grip man.
Archive this Thread Quote, Nan. Some great points pro and con were brought up, and newbies devouring milk-dunk technology might find it fascinating...