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By kobayashi (Impalerzz) on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 07:02 am:

Ive been reading lots on casing with coco fiber and it seems like the bomb. I only wonder why more people dont talk about it. What are the downfalls?
I noticed eatualives harvested some awesome crops using coconut fiber, and I think I'm going that way.
Any suggestions on making it successful?

By Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer) on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 07:39 pm:

Hmmm as an add-on to this post, ( and to bump it to the top ;) ) I was wondering the same thing.

And, I keep reading that verm is a great casing material, second only to dung. Is this true?

And.. ( lol ) if Quote the guru comes over here to answer. What is YOUR Favorite casing, and casing technique? ( This applies to Nan to :0) )

Thanks for letting me piggyback your thread kobayashi, I wouldn't have posted this if I didn't think you might be interested as well :0)


By quote: (Quote) on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 04:58 pm:

verm. is a good casing, simple, easy and fairly contam resistant.
coir is also good.
50/50 with verm. and peat is good.
they all work.
a casing's role can be fulfilled by any of the above.
and you're aren't necessarily going to get better yields off of any particular kind, since the casing provides water only, no food.
dung is not a casing.
it's a bulk substrate.
it's consumed by the mycellia, thus it's food.

By Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer) on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 05:55 pm:

oh wow....

I saw you over at the shroomery boards and know you are busy....

But if you see this Quote, can you point me to your favorite dung tek??

I believe after I master grains I can attack that,
and gather some cow shit in the meantime :)

By quote: (Quote) on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 06:02 pm:

By Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer) on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 06:31 pm:

As they say in mexico. Grassy-ass!

By plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420) on Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 05:07 am:

i'm afraid of dung... i guess i just have a complex, but i would rather know that my mushies grew from something not so repulsing... sorry for the wasted post.. i know that that is their natural habitat and all, but man!... i hate shit

By Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer) on Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 05:15 pm:

Not a wasted post you fruitcake!

* grin *

If anyone makes wasted posts around here, that would be me...

Hmmm, forgot what I was going to say!

By goodNyou (Goodnyou) on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 01:20 am:

i had a few bags of potting soil hanging around so i thought i would experiment with them.
what i did was i took a fully colonized pf cake crumbled it good and putit in a lagre jar wth potting soil.
i shook it around really good 2 distribute the mycyliem.
i used apx. 1 part cake 2 about 3 parts siol that was dampened
.is there any reason this wont work?i know t can be done sucessfully w/ cow manure.
i was thinking maybe there is not as many nutrients in soil(organic if it makes a difference.
any sugestions or comments.

By goodNyou (Goodnyou) on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 02:31 am:

well so much for that question..i let ya all know how it works

By jared (Jared112) on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 03:46 am:

Ok Quote since you don't like me answering stuff and this post has been up for a few hours I will. goodnyou if a substrate don't have food for the mycelium in it, the mycelium won't grow through it, maybe a little bit for moisture... anyway, if it colonizes then it's good to go. I am getting my first flush ever right now, so I'm a beginner, but I know how mycelium grows. I've seen it

By goodNyou (Goodnyou) on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 03:56 am:

yea thanks.ive been doinit a while with grain bulk tecks(cased) worked pretty good.
i was wondering if pottig soil has the nutrients needed for healthy growth

By jared (Jared112) on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 04:02 am:

All I have tried is The PF TEK with BRF and I know that the verm has no food in it and the BRF is what the mycelium "eats" so I don't know if potting soil has what it needs or not, I'm assuming that it don't because if it did then cubies would not really need "shit" to grow in the wild. you know what I mean?

By quote: (Quote) on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 04:11 am:

never assume, jared.
i think our friend here will get what he's looking for, the colony will spread thru the soil assuming it's not too dense, too wet, or too 'hot' as in composting manures.
the soil will act much like a casing, but soil does contain organic debris so it should give a bigger kick than plain verm.
the drawback is it's also more likely to contam.
best to pasturize soil b4 use.
anyway, good luck.

By goodNyou (Goodnyou) on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 04:28 am:

thanx for the responces..
unfortunatelt idid not pasturize the potting soil..#$%$
well i was just goofin around with an extra jar and somesoil i had layin around..
did i make the poit cear thati was not using the soil for caseing?
i mixed it all togeher.
i was kindof thinking that since i used so much spawn.. the good stuff would beat out the bad as far as speed goes.
i would really like to use this soil for some kind of bulk ubstrate because i ave 80 lbs!
any ideas? would compost work better?
also i noticed that when i shook the jars the pieces of the cake were immediately covered.
would this mean that the myc. wont spread very quickly?
il be so happy if it work because i hate making 1/2 pint pf style cakes.
i think t may be a bit 2 moist also. should i add verm.?

By Imok Urok2 (Imok) on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 06:48 am:

Hey goodNyou, check out shroomwizard's grow tek in the Archives.
It is a easy tek and uses your potting soil :)
Hope this helps :)

By jack cracker (Cptcracker) on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 07:23 am:

you can play with all different types of substrate, there are many, many teks listed in the archives. some of them are good, some great, some not so good. ask 10 experienced growers which is the best tek, you'll get 10 different answers.
when building a substrate, remember: airspace, available food, and moisture level. airy is better than dense, too much food contaminates more easily than less, and mycelium will drown in excess moisture.
you say you want to grow on bulk substrate because you tire of making cakes? what are you using for spawn? go ahead and play with bulks if you have the time. it is worthwhile, but don't lose sight of the sure and simple proven methods. bulks take more time and effort, and if you have a demanding job, spouse, etc., cakes may be the ticket for ease and simplicity.
grow on.

By Delekhan J. Delekhan (Delekhan) on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 11:09 pm:

I went out and bought a digital thermometer/hygrometer today. One question, the area I need to incubate in is at 75 degrees.. is that warm enough for a decent rate of colonization? Right now the heater (the room heater, I don't have an incubation heater, was hoping not to have to have one) is actually off (since it's warmed up some outside). Once it gets cold again outside and the heaters come back on, I'd say the temp will go up about 2-5 degrees at least, probably more.

Another question, I went out and bought some verm (Hoffman Horticultural Vermiculite, to be exact). I also saw Miracle-gro verm and perlite, but both packages said the contents had been treated with miracle-gro plant food. I believe I read here that that wasn't a problem, but I'm not sure, it'd be good to know, since they had a lot more of the miracle-gro brand than the Hoffman (Hoffman was cheaper though, but I got the last bag.)


By plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420) on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 03:54 am:

85 is good for incubation, 75 is good for fruiting... don't know about the miracle grow though...

By An guy (Boomer) on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 05:52 am:

miracle grow ain't good for the booms. It's for chlorophyllic plants- different physiology.

By Herman Manderchuck (Youenjoymyself) on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 06:49 am:

I personally have never had any problems with "miracle grow" perlite or verm......Great flushes every time...I think adding the Liquid Miracle Grow plant food to substrate is probably what Boomer is talking about.(Not a good Idea)..All my bags say that Miracle Grow is added but never had any problems here....Snoogins

By Delekhan J. Delekhan (Delekhan) on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 05:30 pm:

I checked my high/low temp levels today in the area I'd like to incubate. Low 74.5, High 77.2 (The heaters clicked on over night). Is that range ok, I know 85 is more or less an optimal number. Just double checking that the range I'm getting is good enough.


By quote: (Quote) on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 12:22 am:

good enough.

By Hatcher (Hatcher) on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 10:12 am:

Yep, your temp ranges will colonize fine. Or maybe I'm just too patient..
That's prime fruiting temps. Dunk in the fridge if you're worried about it. I do, figure it can't hurt. Know it doesn't...:)