Update: 'Voodoo Tek' 2nd flush

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By quote: (Quote) on Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 03:19 pm:

so far, i'm very pleased with the performance of these cakes i've been experimenting on.
the cakes with 1 hole did not do nearly as well, while 3 holes seems optimum.
here's a pic of a terrarium full of 2nd flush SA's.

By Cragith Kilbonith (Kilborn) on Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 05:53 pm:

Quote beautiful shot, cakes look healthy as always.

By nuecrew (Nue) on Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 06:01 pm:

Looks good. I can see a few growing out of the rim of the hole.

By Fishy1 (Fishy1) on Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 10:57 pm:

Those look really nice quote! I found a couple of pix of my experiment. These have a 1/2" hole bored with an aluminum tube, stuffed with vermic, then double cased. The vermic was kept very moist. The yields definately were better than a typical double end casing.

By quote: (Quote) on Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 11:50 pm:

my pic really doesn't do justice, they're much more impressive in reality.

By Liberty_Caps (Liberty_Caps) on Monday, December 31, 2001 - 01:12 am:

holes help alot for bigger/fatter flushes but contams come alot more often
for me at least.
but Im going to give holes one more chance, and try what quote is doing... should I do this to PF race cakes??? every other strain will be fine I'm sure, but not sure if I should do it to PF's
well thanx
ps. and If my hawwian cakes flush 4 times should I cut them in half so more food is availble???
and if so shoudl i lay them in the flat side??? or have the inside of the cake exposed to air?

By Fishy1 (Fishy1) on Monday, December 31, 2001 - 02:12 am:

I know what ya mean Quote- my pix always suck...
Looked at cameras all day today, but am still empty-handed--too many for a stoner to choose from!!
I still am experimenting with perlite in casings...so far the yields on sliced cakes cased with 50/50 ver/per are amazing me. Needs more testing still....
Also exp w/worm castings as a casing of sorts. The plastic lids are filled with sterile castings, wetted till excess h20 runs out the inoc. holes, then birth cake onto this. Case the top w/ verm. The myc. runs thru the worm poop quickly, and appears to really help feed the cakes and support better flushes. It does not contam easily, as one might think. Keep it moist.
Anyhow, these all work, but further testing is needed before I really believe the results.
Good to see that you are still working on new things too, quote. I hope we get some new good solid teks in here.....fishy1

By quote: (Quote) on Monday, December 31, 2001 - 02:52 am:

actually, liberty cap, i've had a lot fewer contams on these cakes, since i use no extra vermiculite, adding water only directly thru the holes.
the single hole cakes still began to turn blue and were less productive, eventually succumbing to green mold circa 2nd flush.
but the multi-holed, 2 or 3, are still nice and white. and the 2nd flush came fast on the heels of the 1st, another good indication of health.
it'll be interesting to see how it works out from here, i'll post more later as results come in.

and liberty, as for your other questions about your cakes, you really should start a different thread, you'll get better responses and more attention to your specific needs.

By Liberty_Caps (Liberty_Caps) on Monday, December 31, 2001 - 05:15 am:

alright, sorry I just dident want to wast space.

By An guy (Boomer) on Monday, December 31, 2001 - 05:43 am:

I think he's just trying to help you out with yoru question Lib, not trying to be a hardass.

By quote: (Quote) on Monday, December 31, 2001 - 02:41 pm:

correct, not trying to be hard,
but it doesn't really 'save space' to piggy-back different questions into a thread,
just makes it more confusing and difficult to find the info later.
as in--
'where's that info on {cloning, etc.} ?'
'in the thread on {grains, etc.}'

By Liberty_Caps (Liberty_Caps) on Monday, December 31, 2001 - 08:27 pm:

i meant it in a good way just so you know.

By Nugdumper (Nugdumper) on Tuesday, January 01, 2002 - 08:52 pm:

Quo man, quick question. I used the IR tek on my last batch of cakes, and was able to keep 10 cakes fruiting for almost 2 months. They eventually succumbed to some neon green trich, but they produced a lot over like 7 flush's. Do you think the reason I avoided contam's for so long is because I used no double ended casing? All I did was put like 1/2cc of water in the hole twice a day... and the cakes just ate it up. I have 24 cakes that will be birthed very soon and they all have larger IR's this time. Should I go double ended or just stick to the hole?(which I made bigger this time around btw).

By quote: (Quote) on Tuesday, January 01, 2002 - 09:29 pm:

if it were me, i'd stick to just the hole.
seems the verm. is always the 1st thing to turn green, so bypass it when you can.

By Hatcher (Hatcher) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 10:44 am:

Keep up the good work guys. My girlfriend has two 5 gal. aquariums that would make darlin' exp. tanks. Until then..

I started by strawing my cakes,now I'm dunking. Got a link to a quick overview of 'voodoo' quote? Your pix: ya leave those holes open to the air, just put some water in the bottom? If so, think the increased surface area might contribute to increased growth through respiration/gas exchange? Maybe a variable to consider, maybe not...

By quote: (Quote) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 01:45 pm:


ya leave those holes open to the air, just put some water in the bottom?



Got a link to a quick overview of 'voodoo' quote?

Voodoo Tek
By Hatcher (Hatcher) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 06:35 pm:

Thanks quote..no comment on the gas exchange thing??

By quote: (Quote) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 06:59 pm:

doubtful, imo.

By Kman (Kman) on Monday, January 21, 2002 - 05:23 am:

I saw this on the shroomery and that it sounded kinda similar to the experiments quopy has been trying. Maybe worth a try?

Perhaps this has been done before, I have not seen it. This method uses a unique cake shape to facilitate high fruiting. The shape of the cake is something like what three donuts would look like if stacked on top of each other, except with smooth tapered sides. Using a wide mouth quart jar (or any size), glue a 1.5 inch diameter dowel (plastic or glass pipe, etc.) to the middle of its bottom, standing up. It should be almost as high as the entire jar, coming up to just below the first lid-line. So what you now have is a quart jar with an upright 'column' in the middle.

Fill the jar with your substrate; I used standard brown rice flour and vermiculite. Level this substrate with the top of the dowel, and fill the rest of the jar with plain verm (just like PF Tek). Put the cap on (with the normal 4 holes in it), and sterilize (just like PF tek).

When cooled, innoculate the jar. Let it colonize. When fully colonized, remove top and scrape away the verm. Using a pair of grippers (anything like need-nosed pliars) grap the very top of the dowel and turn it, loosening it. Pull it up and out. Birth the cake, taking care to make sure you do not squash its shape (a taurus, and using the lid as a base. Pack clean verm around the base, rather tightly.

You can wait for a first flust, and then, INSTEAD OF DUNKING, just fill the inside hole with somewhat sterile water. You can leave the hole full of water for 24-48 hours, and then use a turkey baster to suck it up, or try tilting it out.
Repeat this rehydration as necessary. I have cakes on their fourth large flush, still white, producing large fruitbodies. I am going to experiment mixing nutrients into the water next.

Any criticism and innovation to this process is greatly appreciated. Tell me what you think! Kit

I will try to post pics is several days if people are interested

By Imok Urok2 (Imok) on Monday, January 21, 2002 - 06:29 am:

Hey Kman,
Sounds similar to something that is in the archives
but uses three dowels around the center for the "water wells".
Quo uses a drilling tek that dosn't completely go thru the cake(I think).
I think you've got the key.
The shroom is mostly h20(just like us).
If you can keep the cake moist and without contam
you can get more out of it.
The general problem with the later flushes is the
lack of moiture and contams.
There was still food in the cake.

By Spun Yun Gi (Spunion_Elf) on Monday, January 21, 2002 - 07:45 am:

Just $.02 from someone who's waiting for spores to become a newbie: If you're going to add nutrients, make sure that the solution is completely sterile, and try to find some way of covering/sealing the hole to keep out contams. That's your biggest worry. Then again why bother? If you have mushrooms already spores/mycelia are easy to come by in large quantity, and even I'm not too lazy to mix up some substrate and pc a few jars.


By quote: (Quote) on Monday, January 21, 2002 - 02:36 pm:

quite similar, but frankly i think just drilling a few holes as you birth them is a bit easier than the dowel routine.

By Maliki vision seaker (Maliki) on Monday, January 21, 2002 - 04:00 pm:

Ive noticed something else here as well. The mushies seem to grow from the break points of the myco cake. From the verm barier , from the seems of the cut in half cakes the falt cake tek. From the edges of bowls what ever. I was thinking if you were to say put something inside the cake that will break it into quadrents or so give more break edges on the insides of the cake say an old icecube tray divider , the ones that come out made of aluminum or what ever . Just a thought ill have to try it. Next batch.....

By Kman (Kman) on Monday, January 21, 2002 - 05:10 pm:

Just for the record this was not my experiment, I just thought is was worth mentioning since Quote has been playing around with this.

Me personaly I have been rye cased to flat cakes and will probaly play around with this for awhile. I do have some PF jars that have perlite inside that I inject every couple days and they seem to be doing well.

just a little food for thought ya know.