|By Liberty_Caps (Liberty_Caps) on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 08:42 pm:|
I have been growing PF's for 4 months now and I never seem to get harvests like I do with my
Hawaiians so I was wondering when do YOU guys pick your PF's???????
I know if you pick them before the veil breaks their like TINY bowling pins...
so right now I have 10 cakes fruiting and I have let them grow 2 days after the veil broke.. but yet there's still NO spores... so I was wondering with the PF race should I wait till I see spores on the stems????? before I pick them?????
because I know PF's can get huge if you let them grow out... the ones I have now have flat/upturned caps that are still
producing no spores,, so are these as potent as the ones that have the veil JUST broke?????
I guess what I'm trying to say is if I let them grow till I start seeing spores? then pick them?????? are they just as good??????
because people say the mushrooms are at their peak potency before you see spores so SHOULD i let them grow that big then pick?????
because if their not going to be as potent I'll just have to pick them when their like TINY bowling pins?????
any help would be GREAT!!! thanx
|By Cragith Kilbonith (Kilborn) on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 10:52 pm:|
I pick them like a day after the veil breaks. Veil breaks pull em.
|By ShrooMaster (Shroomaster) on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 12:33 am:|
grow equadors theyre alot bigger. the bullshit hype with MRs is just that IME. mazatapecs are good.
|By quote: (Quote) on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 01:08 am:|
i gotta disagree.
i just grew out a batch each, pfs and ecuadors,
and the pfs were bigger by far.
you just have to give them the water they need to go full size.
ecuadors were nice, because they make alot fewer pins, so less clean-up of aborts is required. but fewer pins also means less overall yield.
each individual ecuador was substantialy smaller than its' pf counterpart.
pf sez they are slow to start dopping spores, which explains what you are seeing.
i'd just pick when the caps begin to flatten, spores or not, unless i wanted prints.
|By Liberty_Caps (Liberty_Caps) on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 01:15 am:|
I know but I hate eating fully
that's probably the downside to PF's but if your saving them for your personal stash then it don't matter to much how big they are...
oh ya and are B+ any good/very good
because I just inoculated 10 jars????
|By quote: (Quote) on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 02:38 am:|
b+ can get very big, prolly the biggest strain on average that i've seen. it's not a prolific pinner like pfs, sometimes you only get 1 or 2 shrooms per cake, but they're often 8+" each so it evens out.
|By mrnngglry (Mrnngglry) on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 02:48 am:|
>the bullshit hype with MRs is just that<
what's an MR?
|By Snoopy (Snoopy) on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 02:48 am:|
I almost would disagree with quote, just the other day I picked a 36gram wet EQ.. was about 10" tall.. I have never had my PFC's grow that big.. but then again I don't have the exp of quote just saying the biggest shrooms I have grown are EQ's no question. And I definitely recommend EQ's the trip is good and they grow big.
|By Liberty_Caps (Liberty_Caps) on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 03:17 am:|
DAMN 8 inches plus.
I don't have an terrarium to accommodate that size my terrarium is only 9 inches tall and I have Perlite in there to,,,. but they should work out fine in there as long as they don't push right up through my saran-wrap top....
and I just put my envelope in the mail today,, going to buy a EQ print from ralphster!
I like PF's but I'm only going to grow them for myself tho TOO MANY ABORTS.. and they never seem to stop flushing I can never dunk them..
thats why I dunk PF cakes at birth seems to work better for me.
|By Fanaticus (Fanaticus) on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 06:00 am:|
LIBERTY CAPS SAYS THIS:
I know if you pick them before the veil breaks their like TINY bowling pins...
so right now I have 10 cakes fruiting and I have let them grow 2 days after the veil broke..
but yet there's still NO spores...
so I was wondering with the PF race should I wait till I see spores on the stems????? before I pick them?????
because I know PF's can get huge if you let them grow out... the ones I have now have flat/upturned caps that are still producing no spores,, so are these as potent as the ones that have the veil JUST broke?????
You should pick the "bowling pins" for preservation. When the viels break and the
shroom keeps going getting bigger and bigger,
the shrooms gets lousier and lousier as an item to eat. In fact, your "upturned" PF shrooms that haven't sporulated is typical of late maturing PF race shrooms. But now, ther are far past prime for picking. In fact, they are darkening and already beginning to "rot".
|By Fanaticus (Fanaticus) on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 06:05 am:|
another thing about the old "upturned" cap Pf shrooms that haven't sporulated: They could
easily be sterile strains coming forth. THese are great magic shrooms, but if you let these keep growing thinking that the no sporulation is a good sign, is not. These old upturned cap PFs that are not sporulating can be really ugly, IN fact, they are noxious. It has to do with their age, temps and all of that. But if the shrooms are starting to darken on the stems, they are actually beginning the "rot" process, and will be very noxious. But they still might have good psilocybin in them.
|By Fanaticus (Fanaticus) on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 06:07 am:|
or, simply put: the "bowling pins" are good. The upturned caps are not good.
This is the main point. This is an example of how the grower can grow a specific "strain" of cubies and they can be either really good or extremely shity. It all depends on the grower and basically nothing to do with the "strain".
|By Fanaticus (Fanaticus) on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 06:18 am:|
To continue: it is my experience over two decades of shrooming, that if you can't get really magically shroomized on 3 grams dry (cubies), the shrooms are crap.
I read so many posts from people describing taking 7 to god knows how many grams of cubies and getting "body Highs" and such. Cubies can be grown that look great, but they really can suck.
TO me, this is the main point of magic shroom growing. Growing them is actually moot to me, except for growing for spores only (full sized, far beyond the veil breaking - and darkening shrooms).
In fact, their is a photo in the latest High Times mag of what looks like three B+ shrooms. The veil on the stem is dark purple and the shrooms have darkish coloring on the stems. They are gorgeous, but damn, to me they are to mature to be worth eating for a great trip. They would be only good for spore printing (which is good in that respect).
|By Cragith Kilbonith (Kilborn) on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 07:16 am:|
"I'M NOT WORTHY!"
|By Hatcher (Hatcher) on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 08:09 am:|
All my spore races have came from fanaticus. Thanks dude.
I had a B+ go 10 1/2in., but I find it more a novelty shroom. The Mazatecs are fun to watch grow but not very practical. Been a while since I grew PFs, that was my start-up race, but too many abhorts for me,but get as big as any, save the B+. But very aggresive, recommend to newbies, considering myself barely a novice. Indeed, I haven't grown Equidors since I began dunking, but grown along side the Hawaiian in like conditions the two are close, i.e., best all-around to get some dried weight. I just harvested a few 1/2pt. H cakes w/ 15-25 3-4in. shrooms each, growing in banks. Had ta rip 'em apart. Some didn't fruit at all, still ain't figured that one out. But nine outta fifteen that did, I got 'bout 35 gm. dried first flush, not counting what made it to the bottom of the dehydrator. That's alotta wet shrooms. 2nd flush ain't lookin' real good tho...
I harvest asap after a veil breaks. When they're growing in banks, probably half get harvested w/o breaking at all, but ya know they gotta be close.
And does anyone have any idea if the post office is gonna start killing our spores? Go FedEx I guess huh?
|By onediadem (Onediadem) on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 08:11 am:|
I love the emoticons you all come up with.
Cragith, that, I believe is one of the best I have seen yet.
PF, very enlightening for me.
Everyday I learn something good.
Happy New years all
|By Nan (Nanook) on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 08:19 am:|
LOL ATK !!!!
|By Cragith Kilbonith (Kilborn) on Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 02:35 am:|
Same to you Pam, PF, NaN, Brettie, Fishy, Lichen, Relic, Nucrew, Snoopy, ahhhhhhhh the list can go on forever, everyone have a great New years
|By Snoopy (Snoopy) on Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 05:30 am:|
Yah that 10" EQ I had mentioned I picked after having to leave my apartment for 3 days for a snowboarding trip with my buddies. Was definately a sight to be held when we got back. Before we left there was barely a pin there. On fanaticus's note, I personally have not tripped very much. Two times to be exact and PF mentioned that sometimes people say they eat 7 or so grams... that totally freaks me out. I ate 1.5grams of PFC's grown from fanaticus's syringes and I was in a world like no other. People I gave some to who had tripped before said that was the hardest they ever tripped and that was just off 1.5 grams. I totally agree that if you pick them when they look like bowling pins. *which I did* than they will rock your socks on only 1-2grams. BTW thanx for that great trip PF.
Cragith: how thoughtful of you to mention me in your post. Have a w0nderful new years, and of course to everyone else as well
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