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By patoban (Patoban) on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 05:43 am:

anyone know how reputable some of the online companies offering salvia are? im thinking of ordering some from either peruvian journey or ethnobotanicals. anybody have some experience w/ these guys?

By monkeyod (Monkeyod) on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 07:44 am:

I've order with no problems from pj before.

By Hudsonismss (Hudsonismss) on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 10:01 am:

i've had no complaints from
cheaper compared to what I've been able to find (AU$ helps)

By patoban (Patoban) on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 06:13 pm:

cool thanks

By Nugdumper (Nugdumper) on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 11:39 pm:

Anyone actually have positive experiences with Salvia? I hear the extract can be potent, but never really heard a first hand account.

By Nan (Nanook) on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 11:43 pm:

It's in the Archives under Botanicals: Salvia divinorum

By Brad (Raze) on Friday, November 23, 2001 - 12:07 am:

I smoked it for my first time last night... Didnt get much of an effect. Bought 10g of 10x. Smoked probably 1/3 of a gram.
I did lose the ability to count, as I noticed as I attempted to hold in the second toke for 30 seconds...
"One, two, threebity, fournable, filacle, ss... oh shit..."

By Lichen (Lichen) on Friday, November 23, 2001 - 12:10 am:

lofl, that's funny

By quote: (Quote) on Friday, November 23, 2001 - 02:55 am:

kinda reminded me of huffing tolulene.
not a very fun high, imo.

By UnkyHerb (Notapplicable) on Friday, November 23, 2001 - 03:02 am:

agreed, stick to weed :o

By plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420) on Friday, November 23, 2001 - 05:19 am:

i second that notion Unky

By gnas (Psystep) on Friday, November 23, 2001 - 06:37 am:

Brad, it seems that your really protected against the salvia spirit. Everyone here should really give Salvia Divinorum a try. It's the most unique and potent (active ingredient in micrograms) substance that nature has ever created. It's a powerful ally along with the sacred mushrooms. Just becareful, if your of average sensitivity and you smoke a good dose, it'll completely smack you down with no mercy (most comparable to DMT). It's akin to riding a rollercoaster for the very first time; well at least it was like that for me
Well since this is the Nook, I'll shutup now. :)


By Hudsonismss (Hudsonismss) on Friday, November 23, 2001 - 07:49 am:

my 3rd attempt at an elixer i got was an amazing and very insightful mental journey. I got through some heavy stuff just sitting, contemplating and writing- nothing visual or somatic however. I also tried smokin regular leaves, first couple times just absolutly knocked me on my ass- it was like gravity got 10 times stonger and i couldn't hold myself up- but overall it was very unpleasent. the last smoke i had, i had a wacky visual that captivated me cause i couldn't pull myself away from the irrational image (2 hallways- one out my doorway with people there talking who actually were not there, and another hallway between my garpage can and my desk) this was realy my first strong hallucination i've ever had, even with about 8 shroom trips....

By Brad (Raze) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 03:20 am:

gnas - I know what you mean. Broke thru last night..... Wow. Thats all I can say. Impossible to describe

By Liberty_Caps (Liberty_Caps) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 03:36 am:

I had a very crazy/weird/not to pleasent feeling. trip last night on salvia 10x extract.
impossible to explain but I smoked some on my bed then I somehow got lost in my bed patterns and totaly forgot where I was. etc
very stange shit

By gnas (Psystep) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 06:09 am:

I think you perfectly summed up a salvia trip: crazy, weird, not too pleasant feeling. And that just intensifies as you up the dose until you get the most amazing/frightening trip in your life.

By gnas (Psystep) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 06:11 am:

sorry!! double post!

By Brad (Raze) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 08:09 pm:

I wouldnt say its scary at all. There were 6 of us, some were drunk, some were high, I myself had just finished three joints. Got there late, had catching up to do, me and a friend had 3 going between us...
But then another friend spoted me, he knew I had just gotten some Sally D, and wanted to try it. So we went outside, fired up my bong and began. First he got it, then I. It took me 3 tokes, him the same. But we were laughing out of control, no clue what we were experiencing. There's no way I can describe exactly how it felt, but I'll try my best.
He had broken down in laughter, "You dont understand... ahahaha... its not me... its not real... ahaha... it doesnt make... sense? ahaha... come join me... take some more... we'll party here...."
I quickly lite up the bowl, and that toke took me theere to his party. I felt myself jumping between realities, non stop, shifting, teleporting... I dont know how to explain that. But shortly after, I realized, I was in a monitor, and I was looking thru the glass out at everyone. Then I noticed, I was in the game bomberman, and I WAS BOMBERMAN! I could feel his suit around me. It was nutz. My next friend made it with us. And that brought over a few more people who I had promised a try.
The third to go was a guy twice my size, a guy who could drink and smoke all the pot he wanted and not be phased. Second toke and he was on the ground laughing like a maniac.
By the time I left, I had one friend who was sure he was stuck to the wall, another who was making about his 50th attempt to get the lid on his beer bottle, failing every time, and another friend running around the backyard yelling "I'M FLYING!"
We had an amazing journey home, it was definately a night I'll never forget in my life. We burned up a gram of 10x between us all, but quite frankly I think half of it fell on the ground, its hard loading up a bong for someone when you're like that. I have 9 grams left... And I can get more. I'm so anxious for next weekend!

By Cragith Kilbonith (Kilborn) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 08:24 pm:

bomberman is a tight game and im hoping to experience salvia someday. anyone grown it before?

By Lizard (Lizard) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 12:16 am:

Man I am all back into Salvia again. I tried the leaf years ago from Basement Shaman. Just a head buzz, no major nothing.

I have a few friends that have done the extract but I have been leary to do so. Some of these guys tell some scary stories.

I am ready to give it a whack and just did a thourough research on vendors. Seems like is a good source. Peruvian Journey seems good but they say they are out of stock in their "delayed shipping" section. They also state they are only selling plants now.


By Brad (Raze) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 12:18 am:

Have a sober sitter around, or actually, someone who's just not on hallucinagens. A drunk or stoned person would definately stop you from going too nuts. Just make sure its someone you're comfortable with, and trust. My first attempt was alone, and I'm glad I didnt break through that night. It was so much fun having 8 of us all experience it for our first times together

By Liberty_Caps (Liberty_Caps) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 12:45 am:

the thing about salvia is before you smoke it u kinda know how its going to affect you.
but then when you smoke it and when your in that strange/scary world you really don't know whats going on.
you tell yourself, that it will be over in a few mins. but for some reason I dont feel like I will come down( I always do of course)
but thier something about it thats so powerful/overwelming
I have passed out frome it once.and came to standing up by my door,,, I posted the story in a salvia section but dont know where it went but here is something you guys might find insteresting.

Level 1: Mild stoned effect, somewhat similar to low dose marijuana. Interests in visual textures, laughter.

Level 2: Altered thought processes.

Level 3: LSD-like psychedelic effects. Seeing coloured patterns with your eyes closed. Visual changes in the shape of your body. Sounds may be seen as colours. Greatly increased volume.

Level 4: Voyaging. This is a dreamlike shamanistic state where you may find yourself travelling to other times and places. This is the famed flying carpet stage.

Level 5: Mystical experiences. Merging with the universe. Loss of personal identity.

Level 6: Anesthesia. This only occurs if you have taken too high a dose. Consciousness may be lost for several minutes. If you are standing you may fall. Sleepwalking may occur. Afterwards you will not remember what you did. You do not wand to reach this level- it has nothing to recommend it.

I want to try to explain the trip. but thier no way to describe it. so all I can say is try it.
be careful with it,,, and don't go around telling everyone about it.. because It's amazeing it's still Legal!. and by telling everyone about it wont make it stay legal any longer if you know what I mean

By gnas (Psystep) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 04:58 am:

Your right, don't let the fuckers criminalize this plant as well. It'll be funny to see this plant with an addiction factor of -30% scheduled in the same category as heroin. Hurray for the War of Drugs!! ... wasn't there use to be a War on Poverty? or was that just a dream.

By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 09:58 am:

We won the war on poverty! Don't need to worry about those homeless guys taking over the government anymore.

By greenthumb (Greenthumb) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 01:20 pm:

cool salvia info

By Mushy (Mushy) on Tuesday, November 27, 2001 - 01:10 pm:


Its already been said, but this stuff will take you on the ride of your life! It is very difficult to explain, but I find that my surroundings are usually very tightly integrated into the 'trip'.

Sitting on a wooden chair, I started to feel like wood. Textured couch, I became the texture.

Another thing about it for me is that whatever the 'new reality' is that I am experiencing comes with a past, a purpose, memories of my life from the new perspective - so complete that it would take weeks to write everything down. That is why its hard to explain sometimes. How do you explain to someone from another dimension what life on Earth is like?

By Stewie (Stew) on Tuesday, November 27, 2001 - 06:55 pm:

the best site for salvia that i have found is They have the best prices that I have seen anywhere -$35 3.5 grams 5x- $5 shipping. the only downside is that they dont carry 10x. One or two good rips from a metal pipe with a screen will get you there. Remember to hold it in as long as you can. Those who haven't tried it should, but be warned this stuff wiil f your a up.

By Organic (Org_Anic25) on Tuesday, November 27, 2001 - 11:49 pm:

I want to try Salvia. I went to the site of
Mazatec Garden and they want 35 dollars for 1 gram of 10x.That seems kind of crazy. How high can you get off a gram of this shit?! What is a normal active dose? Does anyone know about this ethnobotanical resource?

By gnas (Psystep) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 12:30 am:

Of course it depends on you but for me, one gram of 10X will give me 40 trips or more. I'm probably sensitive. You can get them cheaper in many other places. I don't have links but look around.

By Stewie (Stew) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 01:41 am:

1 gram of 5x is enough yo get me 5-10 times. Organic, im sure you will get your moneys worth considering the prices of illegal hallucinogens. It really doesn't take much of this stuff to get high if you're smoking it right. I cant stress enough to take a big hit and hold it in as long as you can. This stuff (unlike weed) takes a while to absorb into your lungs before you feel the effects.and then....

By Lizard (Lizard) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 01:51 am:


So you have actually ordered from salviaspace? I see many people suggest places that look good because of price, etc. But, if you actually ordered from them and sampled the product, I am sold. Those are good prices and in all the research I have done now on other boards also, 5X is the best to get. I know a guy that sells salvia on the net (would not order from him though) and he says 5X is best, the 10X is too strong.

Let me know if you have tried salviaspace. Thanks for the input

By Lizard (Lizard) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 02:15 am:

The only other problem I have with salviaspace is that they have a yahoo email address. I really am skeptical on many things on the net. Mazatec Garden has their own domain email.


By Stewie (Stew) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 02:15 am:

I ordered 3 grams of 5x by credit card and it arrived in 5 days. the $40 total spent was well worth the money. Definately go for the 5x and you won't be dissapointed. I wouldn't bother with just the plain leaves, they are alot cheaper but it is much harder to smoke.

By Stewie (Stew) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 02:54 am:

I mean you won't be dissapointed if you like the trip. Many do not. I would suggest doing it for the first time with someone that has tried it before or alone. If you do it in front of a group of people it may freak you out a little.. or a lot.

By Lizard (Lizard) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 03:24 am:

I think I may order from Mazatec, crap, now I dunno. I got me credit card right here and ready. The Mazatec place says 2 to 3 days priority mail. But, with salviaspace, I can almost get twice as much.

I will be alone but I will take it easy. I know its not good but I don't want to do it with anyone. I hope I like it, with 20 years of hydro experience maybe I can grow some of this stuff. Nice that its 100% legal.

Thanks for the help Stew, now just gotta decide whom to order from.

Oh ya, where do I get a blue flame butane lighter? Wal-Mart I would guess. Thanks


By Lizard (Lizard) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 03:37 am:

Heres an old link from a well know breeder (cannabis) and a seed vendor. Very cool to read their experience.

By Stewie (Stew) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 03:53 am:

yeah those are some crazy experiences. My experience with this stuff has been out of this world quite literally. I completely forget where I am.

By Lizard (Lizard) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 04:36 am:

Welp, all ordered up from

I hope its good. I tried leaves years ago and nada. I am really looking forward to this since I wanted to experience it way back when I read Psychedelic Shamanism (can't remember the author).

I hated to be so skeptical about online companies, but if they send someone crap then it affects the outlook on such.

BTW, salviaspace is offering 6X as a replacement for the 5X, I guess they were out. Good deal.


By gnas (Psystep) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 04:48 am:

Another place people might want to try is ... can't say anything about the speed of delivery but they deliver the quality goods. Has a pretty tight satisfied customer base.

By Organic (Org_Anic25) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 04:48 pm:

Has anyone ordered from Mazatec Garden? I've never smoked salvia before should I get 10x? I want the best! I've had very intense psycedelic experiences on psilocin, LSD, and mescaline before. I hear this shit is real stong and weird!? How exactly is it smoked? Joints, bongs, pipe, special flame? Fill me in. Thanks

By quote: (Quote) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 05:05 pm:

lizard, be careful doing salvia alone, you could very easily hurt yourself or do something really crazy that you'll regret. salvia puts you completely out of your mind, you have virtually no control over yourself.

By Stewie (Stew) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 08:14 pm:

Org, from my experience it is best to smoke through a metal pipe with a screen. Put a small pinch 1/4-1/2 bowl and try to cash it in one hit. Hold that in as long as you can. the lighter really doesn't matter, I just use a bic. 10x is very strong, 5x will deffinately do the trick and it's cheaper. I wouldn't bother with the plain leaves.

By Organic (Org_Anic25) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 08:31 pm:

Cool, thanks Stew, I don't know if I'm gonna screw with it or not. From what I've read a lot of people don't get shit off of it. the stories I have read that are positive don't stand up to the ones that are negative. I hear it only last a few mins. I might just wait till my damn shrooms friut!

By Brad (Raze) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 09:08 pm:

Anyone ever try from ?
I got 10 grams of 10x because with their 100 dollar off special, and 25% discount for using a credit card it came to $155 Canadian. Saved me from converting from american and stuff as well.
I smoked it for my third time last night, my first two experiences I already posted here. Last night though I kept imagining myself in weird places, and I did feel a few odd things, like myself shifting apart (really hard to explain) and the most intense was when I felt myself fall into a black void, I could see and feel it.
Nothing like my last experience though.

I smoked 1/8 of a gram of 10x here, that shoudl be like an overdose. I dont know if I'm really resistant to it, or if its just cheap (price and quality) extract.

By Lizard (Lizard) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 10:25 pm:

I have read a couple reports on the 10X that nothing much happened. Then I read many reports that the 5X is potent and can take you for a ride unexpected. Some say the setting has to be perfect. If the trip comes on so overwhelmingly, why would it be a touchy thing?

I am confused as to why a few people get hardly nothing even with the extracts. I understand the leaves because I tried those and nada. But I read more reports of the extracts working.

The final sum in my opinion must be that the people that got their extract either got ripped off or didn't smoke it right.

Thanks "Quo", I will take it very easy bro.

BTW, does Walmart or similar carry these butane lighters? I know nothing about them, never had one. Thanks.


By Stewie (Stew) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 12:19 am:

IMO the people who don't get off on extracts aren't smoking it right. Some people don't have the ability to completely fill their lungs with smoke and then hold it in. The salvorin needs to be absorbed in the lungs all at once for it to work well. In other words 100 small hits isn't as powerful as 1 big hit.

By gnas (Psystep) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 02:05 am:

That's definately true Stewie. You don't really have to worry about getting a butane lighter as well, although it helps, but just remember to flame the leaves the whole time, until it is completely gone when using a regular lighter. The set and setting is important if you want to take a smaller dose of Salvia and still get a pretty intense/interesting experience. (closing your eyes the whole time is very helpful) But if you take a pretty high dose, your fucked either way. Plus I find having your eyes open during an intense trip will just fuck you up even more because I try much harder to get a hold on the reality that I see, which is a futile attempt.

By Mushy (Mushy) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 02:08 am:

You must use an extract, you would have to smoke too much of the plain leaves to get off. You'd probably choke before you got off.

You must take a very large hit and HOLD IT IN!

I have had better results with the little blowtorch butane lighters - hotter flame perhaps.

Set and setting is very important. It is hard to explain, but my gf and I both tend to feel like we become part of our surroundings. So if you are on a comfy couch, it is likely to be better than a crusty dirty rock or broken glass - you get the idea.

With that said, of the half dozen experiences I have had, the bigger the hit, the less uncomfortable the whole trip. If the trip does not take me entirely out of reality, I tend to get phantom pains. Not pain like ow that hurts, just that the twist of reality I am experiencing seems like it SHOULD be painful. Kinda like what Brad reported.

You can take smaller hits, one right after another. Be careful with this, though. If you take big hits, or have a low tolerance, high potency extract, etc., multiple hits can really send you into outer space. Be prepared to feel overwhelmed. If you are not stable, or again, in a less than ideal setting, you are really risking a heavy trip. I can't stress this enough.

Anyone who has ever tried ketamine - it is very similar.

By Lizard (Lizard) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 02:14 am:

I just got an email from a friend that says he chatted with the guy who helps run and he told my friend that is a ripoff. I hate this crap. Who is legit and who is not? I read several posts on various boards that salviaspace was good. Now I guess I have crap coming that will be no good. He says a year ago salviaspace was exposed in the newsgroups. Has anyone hung out in the groups and heard bad about them?

Stew, I hope this guy is just a pissed off salvia dealer trying to knock the competition. This is gonna suck and kill my interest on Salvia if it turns out crap. Im not blaming you, you are not the only one that suggested salviaspace. I wish there was a ratings page or something that really says who the ripoffs are. This is why some people never get a trip from it, it may have been scam Salvia.

I will definately report results as soon as I get it and try. I hate scams.


By Stewie (Stew) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 04:51 am:

It's not a scam Lizard. I was very pleased with my order. i will be ordering more very soon. Now that i see they are giving 6x instead of 5x I will deffinately be ordering a lot more.

By Brad (Raze) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 04:53 am:

I know I'm smoking it right, I take it all right away, thru my water pipe and hold it for 30 seconds.

By boomer (Cmos) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 06:16 am:

Stewie and Brad,
I hope you guys are right, I just ordered a gram of 5x from, based soley on both of your posts. I hope its some good shit.
By the way, how long did it take for you guys to recieve your order?? I'm going out of town next friday(dec. 7th), and hope to have it by then.

Oh, and Lizard...Of course he said it's a rip off...*He* wants your business, he's not going to recommend someone else.

By Brad (Raze) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 06:19 am:

Mine took about a week or so, he was slow to actually take it to the Post office...

And if you cant get any effect, smoke a few joints, then try it. Also make sure you're relaxed, maybe with a few friends

By boomer (Cmos) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 06:29 am:

Damn Brad, 3 minutes to reply, getting a little slow, eh?? LOL J/K
Cool, I got 8 days before I leave, so hopefully it's plenty of time. I hope I like it. If getting off on the shit is a matter of being able to take a lung full, and hold it for a long time, I'll have no problem.
When I'm low on weed, I'll take a huge hit, and can hold it for more than a minute, I get blazed of 3 or 4 hits like that.
Thanks for the quick reply bro. Wish me luck with my breakthrough!!!

By UnkyHerb (Notapplicable) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 12:23 pm:

boomer.. better idea.. grow your own weed, and when your low, it won't matter because the smallest bowl will get you high ;) i've smoked close to a half ounce in one night of salvia, and nothing happened.. last night, i was peaking on shrooms and took 2 bong rips, and viola.. try it with shrooms :o

By Cbee (Cbee) on Saturday, December 01, 2001 - 01:33 am:

how long does a salvia high last? Ive never heard of the stuff before, sounds sweet... may have to hit it up one of these nights.. whats the best place to get some?

By Brad (Raze) on Saturday, December 01, 2001 - 01:47 am:

30 min for visions
After that you are pretyt much stoned for a while.... never timed it though.

Pot seems to make it last for hours

By Cbee (Cbee) on Saturday, December 01, 2001 - 03:10 am:

is there any info on how to smoke, etc? just use your pipe? load up a fat bowl and go to town? or just a drop in the bowl

By Stewie (Stew) on Saturday, December 01, 2001 - 03:37 am:

my best advice is to smoke it like it's your last hit of weed. the really intense effects will only last for 1-5 minutes. It kind of feels like a mushroom buzz for about 30 minutes after that. In an hour or so you won't even be able to tell that you smoked anything.

By Cbee (Cbee) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 01:39 am:

aight i got some on the way. lotsa ppl saying if you smoke bud it makes it better, so why not coat the bud and make a salvia/bud mix? is the extract an oil?

By Lizard (Lizard) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 03:02 am:

Ok, got the Salvia today. Fast freakin shipping from salviaspace.

I loaded up a metal pipe and used regular lighter, is this ok to do? I have nothing else. I took a few hits but was not in the mood to take huge hits. Suddenly major headrush and fast heartbeat. I laid back and had a mild visual trip for a couple mins. Now this was nothing major, but I could feel a change in my state of being briefly.

I go back upstairs kinda feeling a little poopy and tired all of a sudden. I ended up laying down and coming in and out of a half sleep for the next hour and a half. In that time I had the most crazy and real dreams. I kept dreaming that I would get up and go do things like normal, then bam, I am back in bed. Finally my head cleared and I am writing now.

This stuff requires further experimentation folks, and there is something to it but Im not totally sure what it is. I hope I am not wasting it by not using a butane lighter.

Will let you guys know of any future experiences.


By Cragith Kilbonith (Kilborn) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 03:06 am:

i hear smoking out of a pipe/bong ect with a butane isnt good for you :( not sure if its a rumor or what, damn crack heads.

By Stewie (Stew) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 03:15 am:

hey lizard when you're in the mood take a major hit and hold it in. That should do the trick.

By Lizard (Lizard) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 03:17 am:

Holy Christ! I just got back from somewhere. I was being pulled one way with this like tide and these poeple asked me to go. I was telling the world I will be back.

Now that was fraking wild people. This shut is crazy. I used a long tube to get a whole bowl of smoke babam let it down the hatch.

Play safe and say hi to the aliens.


By Brad (Raze) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 03:33 am:

Damn... I think my stuff may be low quality... I've only had one "good" trip, and one decent trip. Both were nothing to that extend.
I hope I'm not just a hardhead. But I doubt thats it cuz the ppl I sell this to get the same effect as I do

By Stewie (Stew) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 04:09 am:

Thats awesome Liz, glad you could really take a trip into salvia-space

By gnas (Psystep) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 04:54 am:

Brad, if everyone else you give your stuff to is getting the same effects maybe your leaves are weak??? But I know that out of maybe 5 people, one or two always don't feel much at all.

When in doubt, keep on smoking until your physically not able to load another bowl. (this could also lead to a complete mindfuck though)

Lizard, so you've met the salvia beings hu? Say hello to them for me.

By Lizard (Lizard) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 11:45 am:

It was still like I had just stepped in for just a moment. I felt the real physical pull and its hard to explain the rest, very hard. Like there was this ancient forest and I think it was a lady nearest to me but there were several people. Tey said "come, come with us". I am not kidding on this. I was looking back and saying "I will be back soon". I felt like a child telling my mother I was going somewhere.

After this I look down and realize I still had hold of the pipe and just about dropped it. This tide came from the right but was bending upwards and to my back. It was filled with archetectual imagry similar like shrooms but a wierd color. Like daek green, grayish, blue, it was crazy shit.

I feel I could handle the 10X because I wanted to go but I felt like I was still at the bus station per say.

BTW, that guy from salviaman was a liar. Salviaspace delivered. Thanks Stew, you were right.

By boomer (Cmos) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 12:05 pm:

Damn I can't wait. I should get mine in a day or two. I'll put my report here, if it's explainable.

By SYDYSTYK (Addict) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 12:15 pm:

i had an experience with what i beleive to be salvia, it was given to me and called "shaman herb" by someone who dont pay attention to details, any way i took three giant rips off of a pipe and held each one as long as i could, i felt the wave you are talking about, it came from the east, all i could do was stand there and say "HOLY SHIT, HOLY SHIT" it was nighttime and everything appeared to be layered, by this i mean it lloked like someone painted the shadows and painted the scenery on top offset a little, i dont remember much, but it was bad ass, kinda like nitrous but very different(if that makes sense)i plan to try salvia and see if this is what i had, btw it was large crumpled up kinda dark green kinda minty smelling leaves, im gonna try to find the guy i got it from-

By Ron (Clubbenguy) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 07:13 pm:

Ok, a local greenhouse near me sells salvia plants. I am assuming this is not salvia divinorium, but maybe i am wrong? Is this plant really only available thru commerical sites??? Thanks for the feedback.

By Nan (Nanook) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 07:25 pm:

It's legal, so I would expect them to pop up unexpectedly. I walked into a Home Depot a few months ago and saw a beautiful San Pedro specimen just waiting for a knowledgeable shopper to happen buy

By Ron (Clubbenguy) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 08:06 pm:

so you can buy it anywhere????? i read that "many greenhouses sell many varieties of salvia plants, but these are definetly not confused with saalvai divinorium. How do you know that specimen of salvia found at home depot was the psychedelic plant???

By plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 11:31 pm:

he said it was a san pedro cactus that he saw at home depot... but just ask the guy who runs the greenhouse, if it doesn't have one of those little cards that says it right on it, what kind of salvia it is... but yah... it should have a little card poking up out of the dirt that will say salvia divinorium... or salvia ..whatever... you know

By gnas (Psystep) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 11:39 pm:

yup, Salvia DIVINORUM is what you want..... look for "DIVINORUM" <-- the identifying name from all other salvias out there.

By kobayashi (Impalerzz) on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 05:00 pm:

Here's the deal as far as I can see it..

Last nite I smoked some for the 5th time. I have been BLOWN OUT all 5 times, while my friends with me have had NO where near my level of intoxication.

I'll tell you how to do this 1-2-3.

1. Dont use a water pipe.. (What the hell is yer deal anyway...buck up and inhale some smoke..Do you wanna live forever or something??)..Use a bowl.

2. Take ONLY fresh leaf hits. Brand new packing with each hit. I'm pretty sure that if you smoke even a partially cashed bowl, you lose major goodness.

3.If you havent gotten stoned from your2nd hit, and are continuing to a third...forget it.

I say this because I have hit the bowl fresh each time I have used this stuff (while leaving my poor buddies with the leftovers that basically did nothing for them). Yesterday I felt the effects just after I took the second hit. Making me think that all I really need was to let the first hit sink in for a minute..Which was true. After the second hit I was wasted for about 5 minutes. It feels like anesthesia(sp) but with your eyes open.

Dont expect to see gods or visions..Unless you do shrooms about an hour before you smoke...My next trial

Sorry about run-on. I have seen so many people say it didnt work and I just thought I'd put my 2 cents in.

I only smoked the 10x. And like I said, a freshly packed bowl and as big a hit as you can hold in.


By Spunion_Elf (Spunion_Elf) on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 12:15 pm:

So I just found this site ( that has various news and information about Salvia Divinorum, and it looks like our mysterious entheogenic friend has been receiving some mainstream media attention in the past year or so, and the DEA is collecting information, trying to decide on whether or not to schedule it. Any bets on what they'll ultimately decide? I was wondering what your recommendations are on procuring a cutting(s), or even better an already rooted plant(s), quickly, discreatly, and if at all possible cheaply, before it becomes illegal. I fear it's only a matter of time before this plant is illegal and impossible to come by w/o actually knowing somebody who grows it. I'd like to get it while I still can (my main motivation for finally getting off my ass and ordering some spores, given the current situation and uncertain future of sending living organisms through the mail).

Also, totally unrelated, does any one know where I could get a copy of either of D.M. Turner's books? It's my understanding that they're both out of print and unlikely to ever be reprinted.

Hugs and good wishes to all

By Dr. Cubensis (Shroomzilla) on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 08:04 pm:

Hey, i'm with spunion, can someone turn us on to a reputable place to purchase this plant? Would be happy with just fertile seeds as my friend has the green thumb in the family, He would have nothing but dead houseplants if it were up to his girl...