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By AdNauseam (Mystrysabsynth) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 11:25 am:

That's me!! very proud after all the trauma of a damaged casing, conflicting info on how to fix it..AARRGGHH!!

Finally , I just took the best advice from the experts and combined a few ideas. Now I do have 1 question before I get to the pictures. I just used a jar of colonized BS/poo to spawn some manure. Now, this manure is the same I had used about 2-3 weeks ago that had been pasteurized in an oven bag @250 for 2 hrs. I had sifted and cleaned it out real good before past. Also added pure distilled H2o and let her go. I used this same stuff outta the bag thats been sealed and boxed up. But this time, whenI mixed it to field consistancy and nuked it for about 5-6 minute...WHEW!!! talk about stink!! I definitely did NOT smell that bad on the first batch!! IS this normal? Does this mean either the first casing of spawned poo will be bad or is there something wrong with leaving the stuff after pasteurizing and THEN re-hydrating , etc??

O.K.. I many questions. I couln't find the answers in the archives, so if they are there..point me!!

HEre's some pix of my finally successful tray I thought was a goner!! All I really did was take the advice of Quote, Nan, Anno, DocNeuron, and Newport(aka BrownPasures)
I re-cased with about 1/5"-to 1/4" of str8(re-nuked) coir. misted VERY lightly and left it in a 100% RH terr. @about 72-78 temps.They were not constant and I worried about the heat from below being a heating pad under the terr. But it seems to have brought things around. Fanning only 3x a day, misting only along the sides of the tin where the coir was drying,and light 12/12 with an air pump divided in to 2 lines-1 going to a bubbler in my glass jar for heat and humidity, the other simply for some fresh air. All air inputs were covered w/ hepa filter. SO here's what I got...Please help me figure what to do now, as they are going good, but should I drop RH to about 85-90% now instead of 100%? I still to mist down the sides of the tray and I have TONS, literally uncountable right now!!, growing alongside between the side of the tin and the'll see what I mean in the first pix. Sorry so goes:

This one's gonna be a big boy!!

This shows a very uneven Pinset. Is this due to the original water or H202 damage to the mycel?Remember the yellowing?

O.K...whatcha guys think?? Besides maybe lowering Rh now, can I get anything but the few(not very visible in these photos) pins to form in the middle of the tray? And should I keep easing water down along the sides (where most of the pins are)to keep the coir moist?

Thnx for the patience in reading such a long post!!

Much love and Holiday wishes for all. Ihope you managed to enjoy the Solstice celebrations!!


By quote: (Quote) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 03:59 pm:

as for the manure, pasturization is not permanent. so i imagine the stink was related to bacteria growing in it.
you are right about lowering humidity.
i know of no way you can 'make' it pin where you want it to, you'll have to take what you get.
i'd back off the water just a little, your babies look saturated.

By AdNauseam (Mystrysabsynth) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 11:11 pm:

Thanx, Quote..appreciate it more than you can believe!!

As far as the manure goes, do you think it will be o.k. since I already mixed it with the spawned BS? Next time should I stick it back in the oven for the full process, or is the micro idea for 5-6 minutes sufficient? I hope it will be o.k.


By nuecrew (Nue) on Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 12:07 am:

Just looking at those pics I could almost smell the manure. Maybe back up on the food chain and do straw tek? You know the straw that was so tough you can't tear it is as fragile as rice paper after the mycelia gets done working on it. I'm curious what motivated you to use manure rather than one of the less biohazardous(staph,strep)teks? Sewage treatment plants put out to dry literally tons of safe, processed......fertilizer???? I wonder though if it's the straw in manure that does the trick?

By goodNyou (Goodnyou) on Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 08:28 am:

did you adjust the pH to your compost mixture?
by looking @ your little one , they seem REALLY thin. myguess is they will most likely abort,to me they look as though they are doing it now.maybe its just the clairity of the pic. though.
@ the stage your @ now all you really can do is wait or keep posting pics and hope someones around that can help you.
good luck and happy household holidays! EVERYONE

By AdNauseam (Mystrysabsynth) on Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 09:00 am:

Actually, I guess I should clarify. This tray has NO MANURE> Only straight coir on top. I had to re-apply a thin layer due to some type of overlay/water damage prob. ::Shrugs:: I dunno what it was.But it wasn't pinning and turning kinda yellow.Seems o.k. now wiht a little overlay in the middle. I will probably let this flush out and then scratch a bit and see what happens.

I have 2 OTHER trays that are going where I used commercial bagged composted steer manure to spawn. The first one I accidently mixed the BS spawn with the manure and immediatley covered with coir. It's doing o.k. I think..not sure. I'll post pics.It had EXCELLENT rhizo growth standing up in the air almost 1/2" in some places. But I started the pinning process earlier due to previous tray probs. No pins as of yet and growth has slowed. THIS tray when cased did not smell.

HOWEVER, 3 days ago I mixed the same mix of BS and the previously pasteurized(ovenbag method) manure together.I had taken some out of the bag it was Past. in and put in pyrex bowl and wet to field consist. nuked it for 5-6 minutes and that's what I was asking Quo about. It smelled like SHIT!! LOL...I mean I know htat's what it is and all, but the first tray had no oder(well, not much) at all. This one stunk, and still does to high hell. It's not cased at this point and seems to be colonizing quite nicely..just smells like shit thats been nuked. heheehe. Anyway, hope that clears it up for you guys, cuz I can always use advice.

goodNyou??? Since there is NO COMPOST in the above pics, why would they look THIN and abhort? I mean, what do I know, but I thought they looked o.k... :( Now ya got me worried.


By quote: (Quote) on Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 03:04 pm:

it's the yellowish stem color that is concerning, usually means they're too wet.

By Hatcher (Hatcher) on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 09:12 am:

Tried this same experiment before, albeit more crudely and less carefully, than I might on a second try. The first model was to be self-contained. Standard 18 in. plastic flower box, rubber stopper left in, couple inches of perlite w/ample water, layer of coffee filters, dampened vermiculite, SPENT cakes, crumbled, layer of nuked cow manure compost. Covered in saran wrap. Little more experienced now, but, the mycelium did look good til the contams hit. The idea here is to make use of terrerium space if ya gotta wait on fresh cakes, like I have to, due to having to replace some lost equip. Short boring story there...
Same 18in. flowerbox, couple inches of verm, the crumbled "hearts" of 15 1/2 pt. cakes,(cuttin' 'em square like logs, getting rid of everything that's been exposed to those flushes), cased to 'bout half an inch with a cow manure compost mixture of ??, pasturized via Nan's pc w/o the knocker tek, then a protective layer/casing of verm, all done in a still-air, lysoled, alcoholed, and as much-as-possible in the warm oven's up-draft tek. Seal it w/the plastic wrap there, move it to the 10 gal. grow unit. Break glass only in case of pinning.
Know this is second substrate/risky stuff, but I think I'm gonna have ta try it, 'cause I just gotta know, don't cha know.
Any insights guys?

By quote: (Quote) on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 03:15 pm:

be sure to poke a few holes in the plastic wrap, you want just a little air exchange as it colonizes the casing.
you might mix that manure with some verm., to lighten the mix for faster colonization.

By Hatcher (Hatcher) on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 04:19 pm:

Thanks quote, you da man. Might use a regular verm/brf over the crumbled spent cakes instead of the manure tho. Would probably decrease the chances of comtams, don't ya think? Kinda leary of so much organic material. Just like the idea of growin' 'em outta cow shit,see how they do. But increased, unnecessary risk I'd imagine.

By quote: (Quote) on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 11:46 pm:

you definitly don't want brf mixed into your casing, vermiculite or not. brf would guaranteed contaminate, even in small amounts.

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