Nan, San Pedro question :o

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By UnkyHerb (Notapplicable) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 04:27 am:

a 24" cacti would be good for 2 people right? and i don't have a PC for your prep tek, big pot work ok?

im going to take some cutting too, how big should they be? ty.

By Nan (Nanook) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 05:11 am:

I have gotten 2 poor reports from the Basement Shaman in the last 6 months. Better to go

Can't tell you anything about dosing with raw cacti measured in inches... Sorry, too many variables. Figure about 1.25 to 1.5 pounds of peeled sliced cacti per person.

Yes you can cook it down in a big pot. It takes more "draws" (five as opposed to 3-4) but it can be done.

New Mexico Cactus Research
P.O. Box 787
Belen, New Mexico 87002
Send them $2.00 and request a catalog, and a note asking for pricing on San Pedro: rooted plants and cuttings. Email or call for pricing and availablity.

By UnkyHerb (Notapplicable) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 04:23 pm:

I can't figure out how the hell sticky situations website works :) But thanks... do they have peruvians? i don't see 'em. must be blind.

By Nan (Nanook) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 05:15 pm:

Call or email them for specifics.

By An guy (Boomer) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 08:29 pm:

do you have a list Nan, of cacti that work?

Maybe in descending order of potency?

I'm just kinda getting curious about this, and don't know where to find such a list.

Names an pix would be very cool- do you know where one might find such a thing?

By Nan (Nanook) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 09:23 pm:

Peyote (Lophophora williamsii) is the undisputed King, and imo reigns over all other psychoactives.

Trichocereus peruvianis is _reported_ to be more potent than Trichocereus pachanoi (San Pedro). Both are good cacti, you can trip balls several times a year with only ten established pots under cultivation.

There are other active cacti out there, but for one reason or another, you will find they are not suitable cultivars. Nobody would mess with Peyote but for the fact it is so incredible, but realistically you have to graft in order to grow enough to do any good for your head...

I did library and field research on this many years ago and have forgotten much of the chemistry of the lesser known alkaloids found in cacti, as well as much of the taxonomy... The gist of it is... Start with a Pedro garden, learn to grow it well, then somewhere along the line aquire a Peyote button and start cloning and grafting

They have a decent Cactus Forum at Spirit Plants. I post there occasionally. They will have more current info for some of your questions I am sure.

By Cragith Kilbonith (Kilborn) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 10:43 pm:

I was watching POTTV along time ago and Dana was on some mushrooms and then like a 45 minutes later he started to take a few rips of DMT. He was laying on a big rock saying how good and fun it was, then busting out a joint when the DMT trip was over.

Which would you say is better DMT or Cactus?
How long does it take to cook up some DMT?
And which is easier to make?

Thanks :)

By Nan (Nanook) on Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 12:59 am:

Cactus by a long, long shot.
About 20 hours, spread out over a few days.

Cactus to boil down and make syrup: 8-10 hours labor for the first dose. The more cactus you process, the less time spent per dose; since much of your processing time is cooking, cooling, pressing, filtering, and boiling, and there is economy of scale. It takes the same amount of time to process... If you gear up for production the time spent processing one dose is the same as doing 8-10 doses.

The next thing that slows you down is the damned peeling and slicing of raw cactus which is slow, tedious, repetitive, hand labor. I peel and slice in small batches (say 4 hours labor per), freeze the peeled and sliced cactus, and process when several bags are accumulated in the freezer.

I once took down an entire garden of 15 established plants which yielded 70 lbs of harvested stalks, leaving every pot cut back to 18". Two guys working furiously turned the entire harvest into 1.5 gallons of Pedro syrup in 72 hours taking catnaps and switching off during the boil down process.

Good clean DMT smokes & tastes like burning vinyl. It will blow your mind (in living color), but it does not last long (a good thing given its intensity). Cactus on the other hand is slow and rich... Trip your balls off for a good long time, _never_ want to come down...

By Cragith Kilbonith (Kilborn) on Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 08:03 pm:

Thanks Nan that was just what I was looking for. Only if I had that cactus thumb like you

By bluejacket69 (Bluejack) on Monday, December 24, 2001 - 07:54 am:

I've seen alot of what appears to be san pedro cactus growing around my area.It looks exactly like all the pictures i've seen.My question is are their other cactus that resemble san pedro that closely,and if their is could any of them be poisonous?

By Nan (Nanook) on Monday, December 24, 2001 - 08:39 am:

Yes there are cacti that somewhat resemble San Pedro, but a trained eye would not mistake them.

I know of no highly toxic cacti. Don't consume massive quantities of any cacti unless you sure... A small dose for a test would seem to be in order.


By bluejacket69 (Bluejack) on Monday, December 24, 2001 - 08:53 am:

Thanks for the help Nan! I believe these are san pedro everything down to the spacing between the needles looks exactly like every picture i've seen. I'll give them a try and i'll let you know what happens.

By sean williams (Mynarsean) on Tuesday, December 25, 2001 - 10:06 pm:

i have heard that there are san pedros used in landscaping?, is that true. cause i know san pedro is legal...that is if you don't consume it.

By Nan (Nanook) on Tuesday, December 25, 2001 - 10:16 pm:

Yes it is used by south western landscapers, and apparently has adapted as an imported native plant to the Bay area...

By bluejacket69 (Bluejack) on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 10:42 pm:

has anyone ever tried taking san pedro cactus with magic mushrooms?

By Natura (Natura) on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 02:46 am:

This is a bit wasted.
Pacanoi effects for 14 hours, Shroom is quite short. You may synchlonize the peak time occasionaly, however, if Dose of SP is high, after the middle of this trip, you will be truly exhausted and feel discomfortable ...
But Why not ?