|By Ryan Waters (Zerogravity) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 08:05 pm:|
Does anyone know...
Use hulled or non-hulled organic (no preservatives) rye grain for spawn?
Another newbie question...
Is there a difference between rye grain & rye berries?
|By quote: (Quote) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 11:03 pm:|
berries = grain.
|By Ryan Waters (Zerogravity) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 11:41 pm:|
|By Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 01:04 am:|
good question, I was wondering about that one to.
ok, next time I am at the health food store with my g-friend i need to think
for rye grain spawn.
Got it.. Thanks!!!
|By AdNauseam (Mystrysabsynth) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 10:56 am:|
So I have a 5lb bag of regular rye grain(Not berries) can I still use it and how should I adjust rye substrates to accomodate the grain vs. berries? HAte to let it goto waste.It's good uqality stuff I picked up a the local health food co-op. Thanks!!
|By quote: (Quote) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 03:44 pm:|
grain is berries.
|By AdNauseam (Mystrysabsynth) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 11:15 pm:|
o.k...see these are the things I need to know...duh..now I feel dumb!!
|By Ryan Waters (Zerogravity) on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 05:52 pm:|
In my extensive research to find the right substrate to be used as SPAWN, I have discovered that many are using Rye Grain (more specifically NON-HULLED Rye Grain/Rye berries/Rye kernels). Now without coming across like the Rainman of The Nook, I have a question regarding this grain. What does it mean when someone says NON-HULLED, does that mean that the grain is without a hull (naked, polished grain without a shell) or has it gone to market with it's shell (Hull) still on, having missed the (not sure if this process is called this) "hulling" process in which the shells are removed from the grain, therefore being NON-HULLED. So far NO ONE seems to know, much less even know where to obtain such a grain, whereas HULLED Rye grain is VERY common
For someone who has any experience with rye spawn, this should be as easy as explaining "now this is your right foot, and this other one is your left..." but none the less I would appreciate the help, and maybe this will clear it up for someone else out there.
|By Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer) on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 07:08 pm:|
I had seen quote answer this one, plus I myself have seen one of my friends working with rye grain.
" Hulled " stuff ( millet, rye, whatever ) has a little hole in it, assuming they pull out or bore out the insides or something... leaving just the shell.
A non-hulled grain ( or rye berrie or whatever ) is a grain which is FULLY intact.
You want " NON-Hulled " Grains. EASY to find if you have a health food store around you with bins to choose from. You can prolly order it over the web as well. My buddy usually gets about $2.50 worth from the local store, which makes up about 12 quart jars. He has tried a couple grain teks. and likes 1 cup grain per 200 ml of water per jar himself. Seems like a good mix, better than a few he has tried.
|By Kman (Kman) on Friday, January 04, 2002 - 02:15 am:|
I just started working with rye and would highly suggest soaking, boiling(actually not quite a boil), rinse then pressure cook. You will save yourself having a large jar of rye that won't shake. Please find more info on the prep, this is quik summary.
|By Ryan Waters (Zerogravity) on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 08:54 am:|
I may be able to answer my own thread!
A rep who works directly for Nunweilers finally called me back & said that rye does not have a hull so there are obviously no options of hulled or non-hulled for rye grain.
The only options are polished/non-polished & organic/non-organic. After his description of polishing it is my guess that this will make no difference as no chemicals are used...sounds like they just buff it a little. Of course with the second choice only organic (which is preservative free) will work.
|By quote: (Quote) on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 04:24 pm:|
polishing removes the more nutritious outer layer.
you want unpolished.
|By Dr. Cubensis (Shroomzilla) on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 05:01 pm:|
" soaking, boiling(actually not quite a boil), rinse then pressure cook."
Whew!! Thats a lot of stuff to do to the poor grain. My friend has great success using Rye Berries when he soaks the rye overnight, and then takes directly to the pressure cooker. So far, so good...
And Ryan, You go dude!! Comin up with the facts!! LOL! Right on, rye berries polished/unpolished, thanks to you, I will never forget that agiain..
|By relic (Relic) on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 05:43 am:|
dr., i've done it both by adding 1 cup rye:?(forget)ml water to each qt., left overnight and p.c.'d, as you, and the preboil, strain, no rinse, load 2/3rds, and p.c.. i do the second b/c i like to get it all done at once. then the next day, or later the same day, i just inoc.. you can actually even just put the rye and water in the jars and put directly into the p.c. if you have good quality grain, i've done that once as well. it worked, but was a little on the wet side, prolly could have tinkered with the ratio. basically all those methods work, it's just a matter of personal preference of the grower. but you're right, there's no need to soak, then preboil/simmer
|By Dr. Cubensis (Shroomzilla) on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 05:31 pm:|
|By C K (Phrozendata) on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 04:39 am:|
1. Are rye kernals and rye/rye berries the same thing?
2. My rye has some sort of powdery stuff in the bag. Looks like littler parts of rye. When I mix the water + rye in the jar I notice the water turns a little brown. Is this okay?
3. Is air exchange important for the first part of germination / colonization?
4. One innoculation point correct?
five: should i shake after innoculation? or just when i see five% colonization?
|By Brettiejams (Brettiejams) on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 04:51 am:|
2. It doesn't matter because you are gonna rinse it before you P.C. it anyway.
3. Air exchange will be fine if you use a polly-fill plug in your lid, or a filter disc.
4. Yes, just squirt it in one spot, you could do more, but don't get it too wet in there. More than one is not necessary.
5. No, don't shake after innoculation, wait for visible growth.