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By Joe Mamma (Madscientist) on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 11:30 pm: The Nook

I have a batch going now. I am using PES Amazon strain. Honey water was grown out from spores. I have not grown with this strain before, but I have Grown B+ three times with great success. Cakes have been in the terrarium for 14 days. 3 small trays of one BRF crumbled and cased on the top and bottom with a 50/50 mix. Peat moss and vermiculite dampened and sterilized. I also have two large trays filled with straw. I have two BRF cakes ground and mixed with the straw. I have a layer on top of 50/50. I keep the in a well-built terrarium. It is fully automated. I keep the heat between 75-70. I have an ultrasonic humidifier piped in. It has a fan on it as well that draws filtered air. I also have a one way valve that lets air out not in. The valve is installed on the bottom of the terrarium. I have a little trouble keeping the humidity steady. If runs between 75% and 98%. It cycles on about every 1-3 hours. My cakes have recovered I think well. They are covered with white fluffies. The Straw batch is funky looking. The mycelium is growing in little spikes. They stand tall at about a 1/4 inch. There are tons of them. Some of them are thick, about 1/8 - 3/16 inch. I thought that these were pins but now I am not sure. They have been there for five days now. The small trays sprouted today. One cake gave me three shrooms. Shitty! I have gotten better before. So here I am wondering if I have done something wrong or I am just jumping the gun. Do you think that the humidity fluctuation? The walls are always dripping, but there never is any condensation or puddles on the cakes. Do you think there is not enough air circulation going on? My terrarium is very large, 7 x 3 x 5. I only have a small batch going on. I don't think that they are running out oxygen with the fan cycling. So that's it. Am I being paranoid or does anyone see a hole in tek. Please help me !!!!!!!!

By Nan (Nanook) on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 11:44 pm: The Nook

That sounds like too much humidity for straw & cased beds. Straw beds do just fine in a rubbermaid with just an ocassional spritz. Cased bed's don't need much more. 9er Tek has a info.

By Joe Mamma (Madscientist) on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 11:49 pm: The Nook

Do you think that this flucuation in the humidity is hurting me. I think that it shound be around 90%. How does this sound?

By Joe Mamma (Madscientist) on Thursday, December 20, 2001 - 01:28 am: The Nook

Nan, Do you think that I am being impatient or do I have valid questions?

By Hatcher (Hatcher) on Thursday, December 20, 2001 - 09:57 am: The Nook

Dude, how many teks have you tried to get to get such a scale?

By Joe Mamma (Madscientist) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 10:36 pm: The Nook

It has been three TEKs

By Joe Mamma (Madscientist) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 10:37 pm: The Nook

But the scale is not the concern. It is rather small when it comes down to it.

By Joe Mamma (Madscientist) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 11:09 pm: The Nook

People, Why do you answer with such discretion? I have been following the bulletin board for months now. I see so many with great questions and I have seen so many gurus� that haves great knowledge to share. I have followed TEKs to the �T�,. I am having problems. Why is NAN ,HIPPIE, KAIJAN, etc., and other gurus (we all know who is a guru) not answering? (With helpful knowledge). Sorry if I sound ungrateful for what you have given me, but I do not seem to be getting the attention that others are getting for lesser questions. I have followed TEKs perfectly. I am the type that shuts up and listens to what people have to say. I have taken peoples� teks and built on them. I have made a chamber that many, believe many, would be jealous of. But I seem to still have trouble. So what do I do? I write to the board and ask valid questions and I get very little response. Very little. I think two do to be exact. Nan, why do you not answer me when I ask you a direct question? Did I offend you in any way? Sorry if I did. I am only asking you directly because you seem to know a lot on the subject. So do you Quote. Why do I get 0 info that will help me? Other people ask questions that can be answered by newbies and many people answer them. But still I get no info that helps me. I do not want to piss anyone off, but will people just help me out on this one. I have put a lot of time and care into this and I am getting frustrated with these results. Please someone answer me that will have something to say that will help me. Thank You

By quote: (Quote) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 11:19 pm: The Nook

sheesh, relax, friend.
believe it or not,
i do have a life that occasionally takes me away from the keyboard.

anyway, firstly, you're being too impatient, 5 days in the terrarium is not long.
it could take weeks before pinning begins, no matter what you want.
part of your problem yield-wise could be due to growing from spores, some substrains just don't fruit well.
i doubt that the humidity or air exchanges are problems, as they are within acceptable parameters.
the straw sounds healthy,
just give it time.

By Joe Mamma (Madscientist) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 11:29 pm: The Nook

Ah, thank you Quoppe! I know you have other lives besides the web, but I have seen you answer(not just you) many other questions besides mine. It has been more that five days,now 16 days in terrarium. Things still look great but still no mushrooms. Do you think that this strain does not do well on straw? Please helpa brother out. (Begging might work?)

By quote: (Quote) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 11:37 pm: The Nook

it's possible to have substrains that look great, yet never fruit at all.
that is why it's important to clone a fruitbody if you want guaranteed success.

By Joe Mamma (Madscientist) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 11:45 pm: The Nook

Great! Do you think this is the case? This strain is from a spore print that came from Spore works. Do you think that it is likely to get non fruiting prints from them?

By quote: (Quote) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 11:51 pm: The Nook

you can get non-fruiting substrains off any spores from anybody.
approx. 25% of all substrains created by multi-spore germinations are non-fruitable.
yours might be such,
but only time will tell.
i once had a tray of straw wait over 6 weeks before it finally decided to fruit, and it only gave a handful.

By Joe Mamma (Madscientist) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 11:54 pm: The Nook

Do you think that I should pitch it?

By quote: (Quote) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 11:55 pm: The Nook

no, i'd wait and see,
unless you just have no room for it.

By Joe Mamma (Madscientist) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 11:56 pm: The Nook

Do you think that my first paragraph is on. As far as the terrarium conditions.

By quote: (Quote) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 11:58 pm: The Nook

i already said that.


i doubt that the humidity or air exchanges are problems, as they are within acceptable parameters.

By Joe Mamma (Madscientist) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 12:04 am: The Nook

Oh . Thank you Oh Wise One. " Grasshopper " is vey grateful. Anyone else??

By Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 12:42 am: The Nook

Well joe, I read your post probably less than an hour after you posted it, but you need to understand that most of us here don't seem to be that far along. A very small percentage of the Nook regulars are experienced with straw IMHO (ha ha).
And simple newbie questions getting answered? LOL!
because they are easy to answer and nothing makes a newbie feel better than helping another newbie with his " newfound info "

Anyway, I have nothing to add to what quote said.
I am not that far along yet myself. Working on completing my latest step to guruism, and thats only casing grains with dung. I'll be moving on to straw after that...

Maybe then, you can help me :)

Oh yea, where did you find the valve that lets air in and not out, what is it called, and how much??


By Joe Mamma (Madscientist) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 01:07 am: The Nook

Love the input. I think there are mire of use thatn you think. I to am a Newbie. Just a Newbie to Straw. I know that most are Nwbies but just the same, I am a Newbie to a well documented and discused tek(straw tek). I was just a little tired of coming home to a non mushroom, well developed mycelium, straw bed. Going online, asking a valid question and getting no response. I know that this question might not be that easy to answer but I know that these great gurus have a thought on it. Forgive me for being upset, I hope you understand my sorrow.

By Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 01:20 am: The Nook

LOL! Totally Joe!!

My friend is using straw VERY soon to.
He found a pasture not far from his house
with TONS of OLD straw and OLD cowshit.
PERFECT for his getting into trouble with new teks. He is pretty serious though, I have another
post ( recent ) in here about a freezer fruiter... and 24 hours passed and in that time i recieved only one piece of advice. Which is cool, but frustrating. I know
quote and nan are working on building a strong membership base here and it takes time. But thats cool to. That means my friend can help other people with that little item and many others eventually to, and WE will be the old guard. So, What can ya do??

LOL Joe mamma!
* grin *
take care and see ya around :)

Compost Recipes

By Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 01:21 am: The Nook

oh yea, and you got more response from quote than most people do!!!! LOLOLOL!!!

By Joe Mamma (Madscientist) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 08:04 pm: The Nook

Thank you Dr. for the understanding ear. Forgot to answer your question about the valve. I guess I have got a little carried away with my own needs. The valve is an end of line vent for plumbing in your house. It is made to be buried in the wall on a pipe that can't be vented to the roof. Go to Home Depot and ask a plumber for it. Cost is six bucks. When you install it make sure you put the right end in the terrarium. It will have to be put in backwards to have the right flow direction. Ask me anything you need to know a bout terrariums. I have experimented with the freezer/refridge set up. My terarium is automated now. I have lots of little tricks to do that make your system automatic.

By Nan (Nanook) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 08:22 pm: The Nook

Anything? How about everything... Can you post photos? I would love to see some pics from you and some text descriptions/tips. I'll get them into the Archive and they will be available on-line for people to browse... Check out Kai's Post.

Always interested in this stuff guys ... Shouldn't have to invite people to post TEK!

By Waterman (Waterman) on Wednesday, December 26, 2001 - 01:35 pm: The Nook

I just cased my first jars on a inch of soil counted 150 pins ,flushed about 75 then the other pins just never took off, some went away some are still sitting their ,some grew to a micro shroom, anyway i suspect the first batch used up all the nutrients? what can i do to jump start them? its been 2 weeks what did i do wrong?

By Scotsman (Barrowland) on Wednesday, December 26, 2001 - 03:05 pm: The Nook

Hey the very same thing is happening to me only i used cakes , the first flush was plentifull , after dunking and caseing they dont seem to be producing like they should , 7 shrooms from 1 cake seems bad maybe i did something wrong and with such a low yeild i dont know if its worth dunking that cake again.My other 5 cakes are fuzzy with signs of shrooms but less than i expected,anyone any ideas.My temp and humidity are ok and its PF strain.

By quote: (Quote) on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 02:46 pm: The Nook

it sounds fairly typical.
clean the casing of all aborts,
replace missing casing with fresh materials,
resume misting to get moisture optimum,
and return to pin setting conditions
while you wait for the next flush.

By Waterman (Waterman) on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 04:03 am: The Nook

Thanks quote , I did just that i also cut out a few green spots an inch around them and chucked them and recased the white after i crumbled them.

My first time ever harvesting and using them was great fun, I wish I discovered this hobbie 20 years ago, Thanks to all who made this possible