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By Ron (Clubbenguy) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 07:02 pm:

Just doing a kind of "poll." What is the most potent mushroom you've grown or that you know just know from research is the most potent. Feel free to include the best Tek, in your opinion, for cultivating as well. Thanks guys. If you guys think polls are stupid, let me know so I can stop pissing everyone off. Good luck and happy shrooming.

By Lichen (Lichen) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 07:53 pm:

it's ok, man...I'd say the pf albino sub-race is right up there with the best of them; grow em on brown rice and they're mighty bitter

By Eatyualive (Eatyualive) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 08:44 pm:

pf albino are weak to me. kinda mellow. personally i think eq's are pretty strong. but i can't go wrong with the treasure coast because they are always a happy trip.

By quote: (Quote) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 08:59 pm:

the simple truth is that there is no 'best' strain since they are all cubensis and very similiar.
likewise for teks, there is no 'best' tek.
it depends on the grower's skills, circumstances, and goals.

By nuecrew (Nue) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 09:17 pm:

I am a sophomore at this learning experience but I have a theory that the potency of the mushroom is directly proportional to the speed of growth within the givin race. Given optimum growing conditions some races grow slow, some fast. Anything that slows the growth once it pins hampers potency. This is just an observation/opinion and not backed up by scientific facts.

By Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 10:34 pm:

Yea Quote,

I am amazed at the number of people who
think that some are stronger strains than others
when mushroom " specialists " such as yourself and Fanaticus regularly let people know that a shroom is a shroom. Big shrooms have less, but larger fruit. Small shrooms fruit more, but they are smaller fruits. I mean I have seen that same info posted several times, and coming from yourself and fanaticus, I believe it.

Pretty funny tho, I have friends that swear I am wrong when I tell them that!!!


Long live the magic mushroom, whatever form it might take on....

By UnkyHerb (Notapplicable) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 11:31 pm:

Potency? I'd say PF classic.. Mazatecs are very visual to me too. The EQ's I've eatin 4-6 grams and did nothing but got REALLY stupid, and so did a few friends.. forget everything as soon as you think of it, and find yourself asking "why" did you do that. Just my opinion, peace.

By Nugdumper (Nugdumper) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 11:33 pm:

Cubesis, no offense intended, but you aren't posting any "information". You keep reaffirming what Quote is saying like we don't all know he is an expert already. This is a board for people who are learning, and even when Quote does not agree with them, your comments aren't really necessary. If I asked a question and Quote replied, I'd be a little pissed if I had to read a post about how I should always listen to Quote.

On a seperate note Ron asked a question... an OPINION question. SCIENTIFICALLY no cube is supposed to be any more potent than any other cube, but then again, the color blue is no better the color green, but isn't it fun to have an OPINION?

In MY OPINION(the caps are for those who tend to miss things in posts) PF's PF CLASSIC strain is potent as fuck.... they always trip me great.

By venusfly (Venus) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 11:37 pm:

I agree with Nugdumper AND Quote.Nugdumper why would you want to dump your nugs?You can dump them in my bowl if you like!HA

By Lichen (Lichen) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 11:54 pm:

Eatualive, you say the albinos you've grown seem mellow...I used the word 'bitter' because it's how a friend describes them; he has tried all of the races I have grown, and says they're strongest. Personally, I have a hard time telling and find that they can all be just great. However, I can also say that False Mexicana seemed weak to me. Don't know why

By quote: (Quote) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 12:17 am:

bite me, nugdumper.

By Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 12:17 am:

Fair enough Nugdumper~!!
My bad!!!

I'll have to go with venus's opinion, I agree with you BOTH as well :)

Go ahead and slap me around a bit, I deserve it!!

Damn Newbies...


By Ron (Clubbenguy) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 03:44 am:

Well I got spores of Psilocybe cubensis - PES Hawaiian, Psilocybe cubensis - Treasure Coast, Psilocybe cubensis - Thailand Koh Samui, and Psilocybe cubensis - Acadian Coast. I was just wondering if anyone had specific opinions about these. And since these are all Psilocybe cubensis, they will all grow good on BRF cakes right??? Thanks

By quote: (Quote) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 11:20 am:


By nuecrew (Nue) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 07:25 pm:

Hey..hey..over here! So..uh what do you think of speed of growth and potency? Has anyone had that observation.
I too tend to want to agree with whatever Quote says because I respect hard won lessons. And I believe hard knocks is the name of the school he is from. Am I correct?

By Ron (Clubbenguy) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 07:53 pm:

Thanks HIP.

By ion ewe (Ion) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 10:53 am:

Nue, I think your shrooms and my shrooms should get together and have babies...
Sorry. I'm tired.
Seriously, though, I love the way you think about things. Makes me happy to see people out there experimenting and learning and thinking, rather than just asking for a quick answer. Not that asking questions is bad... especially if you're stuck!
I guess what I'm trying to say is... gimme your e-mail address. We can chat a while.
And for all of you out there getting suspicious of how I seem to be gathering everyone's e-mail addys with my Machiavellian wiles, here:
[email protected]
I'm laying on the line... again.

In answer to your fervent questioning, Nue, I believe the opposite is true under the right circumstances. Excess water makes big, fast fruits that tend to be weak in general. On the contrary, slow little malnourished abhorts are primo in happy indoles. Now upon drying, those bigguns will get pretty potent relative to weight, but still not as strong as an equal weight of dried abhorts. This I have actually tested many times.


Oh yeah! The poll! I like natural grown cubies. They just have a meatier feel to 'em. But I find the strongest are those supplemented with T HCl. Wrecking balls that only weigh half a gram!

By quote: (Quote) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 12:31 pm:

the only real differences i have noticed overall is that the strains which originate in the americas, such as amazonian, mex#3, guads, etc.
seem to out-perform the strains coming from asia, to wit-thai, cambos, malay, etc.
at least, in terms of vigor, speed of growth, etc.
but there's always exceptions to that rule, as genetic variations are wide enough to make each batch different.

By plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 02:34 pm:

what's T HCl?

By nuecrew (Nue) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 05:20 pm:

Ion, I'd like to chat with you in the worst way. I would also bet a years worth of paychecks that someone with a flat snout is snorting and rooting around in here just to see whats up. They can hardly contain themselves in wanting to violate your most basic of human rights.
So....give me a hand. How can I set up an email account that can't be traced using conventional snoopware. I also need a green light from a moderator who might know you. Better to err on the side of safety. Work for peace, Nue

By quote: (Quote) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 05:35 pm:

well, with a name like 'eye-on-you',
it does make one wonder.
couple that with the offer to brettie of [illegal] peyote seeds...the gathering of email addresses....
look, i'm not saying anyone is or isn't a narc.
and because it seems doubtful that anyone here is really a narc, i imagine he's prolly just a very cool dude trying to be friendly.
never-the-less, never incriminate yourself.
that's my advice.

By Tripitydoodah (Tripitydoodah) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 06:07 pm:

O.K.,here is my asshole, I mean my opinion, someone slipped some albino's onto my peanut butter and crackers and they were a lot stronger to me than the amazonians which fell into my mouth when I was talking to this stranger. And they were definately stronger than the mazatecs which the secret police made me eat in an attempt to find out if i was crazy.

By Tripitydoodah (Tripitydoodah) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 06:08 pm:

O.K.,here is my asshole, I mean my opinion, someone slipped some albino's onto my peanut butter and crackers and they were a lot stronger to me than the amazonians which fell into my mouth when I was talking to this stranger. And they were definately stronger than the mazatecs which the secret police made me eat in an attempt to find out if i was crazy.

By ion ewe (Ion) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 09:18 pm:

Wow. Never thought I'd see the day when I got accused of the old narky disease. Hmmm...
Can I change my nick? I've always been waiting for someone to ask me about it, because it does sound suspicious in such a forum...
ion is a play on the fact that everyone misspells my real name. And it's a chemistry term. I've used it since I was a kid at the arcades getting high scores...
ewe just popped into my head as a cute add-on as a last name for all things under computer scrutiny. Like, "If they're watching me, then I'm gonna watch them back!" Plus, I love the countryside of New Zealand... there happen to be tons of sheep there...
You see, I never do anything for just one reason. For there is no balance without a contrast of forces. I must undulate...

Alas, I cannot prove my innocence, for I work completely alone. No one knows of the things I do, and because I move around so much, I have very few close friends. However, I must say that I like it that way. Far less betrayal and politics...

Indeed, I seem to be the only person in this whole place that actually follows the advice and never directly mentions himself involved in current illegal activity... Why is that? In my many years, I have learned patience and a cautious manner, I suppose...

Sorry, Nue, but I guess we'll never talk. I've never used a computer for much more than a word processor (I write a lot), so I know not of the ways of encrypted messaging. I encrypt my own files, though... I suppose it's a start.
Also, I can assure you that none of these people actually know me. Again, sorry.

"Not a whole of myself, but a part. Desperate for that elusive spark to make me spin with unity."

By ion ewe (Ion) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 09:25 pm:

T HCl: Tryptamine Hydrochloride

Sorry, I just assume that most everyone here is familiar with Shulgin's "tIhkal". My bad.


By Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 10:49 pm:

I hafta admit as well....

with a name like eye on you......

I wouldn't send ya my addy either!!

LOL! Change yer nick man!! If you WERE actually a narc, and busted someone, they deserve it for talking to someone with a handle like yours!!

Try Iaintanarc or blowitoutyourasspig
or even shroomminsheepfuker,.....

So many better nicks...
So little time :0)


By nuecrew (Nue) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 11:51 pm:

Shroomin' has become almost a religion in my life now. I give it the highest respect and thought. I get such a high nurturing them, watching them grow and trying new teks. An attorney had an old French saying in his office that said, "If a man must steal bread to feed his family then more power to him. If he gets caught, let him empty out his house to pay for his crime". People can change color pretty fast.

By plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420) on Saturday, December 01, 2001 - 12:42 am:

damn.. you know... i never made the connection... i guess i'm slow.. i always read it as (eeon oooh)
man am i dumb!... thanks for the clarification on the HCl btw

By Lichen (Lichen) on Saturday, December 01, 2001 - 01:07 am:

I always thought it meant he was a sheep-fucker

By urok2 (Imok) on Saturday, December 01, 2001 - 03:02 am:

Nue, makeup an ID on hotmail
(no real info, just make sure the bdate you give makes you >21).
Send Ion and email with it.
Ion can send you back a pgp key.
You have anon id and info that way.
Create pgp files and send attachments.
Limited in size (>2meg).
Should be ok for conversations (text only).
And the hotmail acct is disposable :)

By ion ewe (Ion) on Saturday, December 01, 2001 - 06:06 am:

This sheep shit is piling high. I'm stepping out of it. Thanks for the kind words, everyone.

You never know who's sheep I may "fuck"... thanks for the beligerence, Lichen. How astute of you to notice such an obvious possibility of the origin of my nomenclature. Reminds me of Kindergarten...

I can assure you all that I am not a narc. I despise their kind with every fiber of my being, in fact. I'd open my heart to you all if it were even possible through such a foul and infected medium as this farce we call the internet. I'm tired of all the lies. A rolling snowball of bullshit and trickery... such filth.

And after all this, I'm still going to try to help people on this forum...

Damn any of you who still won't see through this soiled gossamer web of paranoia. You will be forever lost in life. Never knowing who you can trust... perhaps to the degree that you begin to doubt yourselves...
May I make a suggestion?

Drop out.

Do it now, before you lose that little silver thread to humanity altogether.

End transmission...

By quote: (Quote) on Saturday, December 01, 2001 - 12:36 pm:

hey, don't take it too hard.
you must have known, i mean, you were the first to bring up the subjects of narcs and sheep.
lichen was joking, no need to take offense.
here's a word of advice-- go slow when approaching nervous fellows,
you're less likely to spook them.
and please don't blame us for the 'paranoia',
blame the government which creates it.

By urok2 (Imok) on Saturday, December 01, 2001 - 03:25 pm:

Ion, all I was doing was giving Nue a way to get a sidebar going with you that he would feel ok with.
I think we've all been burned before (to different degrees).
Yet we are all still trying once again to reach out and establish a bond.
Difficult without face-to-face knowledge of each other.
Any protection taken by one protects all I say :)
(did someone get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
...well, just scarf down some sugar pops and everything will look better)

By Lichen (Lichen) on Saturday, December 01, 2001 - 03:55 pm:

whao, there, ionewe, I was by no means belligerant, nor was it meant to hurt, please excuse me. I was fully kidding, fully. I thought it was all in the spirit and I didn't realize you were nursing a sore spot over it. I apologize

By nuecrew (Nue) on Saturday, December 01, 2001 - 07:18 pm:

Ion ewe, you talked about growing and things and then said in a thread to quote you never have. Remember those who little bigs things as well. Alot of will's and well's huh? I don't know about shrooms but I do know some controlled substances carry a 10 year federal minimum for manufacture. So screw the naivete' there is a dark side to all this too. Yeah, I'm wary as a man in ambush.

By ion ewe (Ion) on Saturday, December 01, 2001 - 09:14 pm:

Quote, I'm good. And I'm not blaming anyone for the paranoia. I just feel that such an enigma that comes with using the internet, creates this form of duress in the minds of everyone... especially us!

Urok, I'm not mad at you. I never was! You were trying to help, and I appreciate it.

Lichen, I get pretty pissed about being (however roundabout) called a narc, and such vulgarity directed at me during such a time tends to push a button. Sorry for the lashing...

Nue, I have never said, "I grew these shrooms as big as donkey dicks one time!" or anything directly incriminating myself in current illegal activity. I really am doing nothing illegal, right now, nor have I in the past ten years. On the fringe, perhaps, but not illegal.
As for your second sentence... I have no idea what that means! What on earth are you talking about?
And, yes, I know of the penalties and the ravages of prison life. Makes no sense for such victimless activities... And I understand your wariness. By all means, if you can figure out PGP or something, tell me what program to get and how to use it! I am clueless about encrypted messaging on computers... now on a telephone... or a letter... I have learned much. Just been out of the loop a while.

No harm done. I'm just a deeply saturated soul. I tend to stain things whatever color I am at the time... nue

So, can I keep my nick without people's minds wandering in the muck every time they see it? I hope so.

-ion (the particle)

By Lichen (Lichen) on Sunday, December 02, 2001 - 02:23 am:

actually, ion, when I read through the thread I had no idea the subject was upsetting you; you were handling it so well, and I thought the 'narc' discussion was over, so I threw in $.02 just to lighten the mood....guess it backfired on me. I'm sorry

By Stewie (Stew) on Sunday, December 02, 2001 - 04:21 am:

lol, i didn't even understand the name. I hope i'm not being ignorant, but ion seems too intelligent to be a narc.

By Fishy1 (Fishy1) on Sunday, December 02, 2001 - 04:43 am:

ion knows his shit. great guy.

By ion ewe (Ion) on Sunday, December 02, 2001 - 08:30 am:

Wow... all in one thread... computers are way too fast for me... what can I say?

Thanks, guys.

Such compliments and apologies <sniff>...I'm so sorry I got mad...

Well, in the future I will have a larger dose of levity before reading the more heated posts that occur.

Lichen, please use the emoticons! I try to get the gist, usually, but it is very hard to see through a red haze...

I truly despise narcs... They have no honor, no scruples, no dignity or human decency... I shed no tears for a man bound by such disgrace. I don't want to think about it anymore. It's making me physically ill...

Again, I wish to thank you all for your thoughts. I feel better... maybe now I'll stop acting like such a baby

On the flipside, my friends!


By An guy (Boomer) on Sunday, December 02, 2001 - 08:53 am:

ion and nue and any other interested parties- not to push another board, but also to give credit where credit is due- a person named lana over on the shroomery posted
this link, and another thread also. I don't know how good it is, currently trying to wade through it myself and not making much headway, but it might be of interest.

You might try hushmail also, although in the current climate, although I use them for this boards needs, I don't know that I trust them..

I think some pros talking about this issue with some good how-to info would be so excellent.

By urok2 (Imok) on Sunday, December 02, 2001 - 08:40 pm:

Good link An.
Pretty deep though.
The simplest combo would be to use:
Set up an account on Anonymizer.
Use it to setup an account on Hushmail.
Then download PGP, install it and use it to encrypt your pictures or text conversation.
Log on to Anonymizer, use it to log onto hushmail, create a simple email and attach your pgp encrypted file and send it.
If you want to add another layer you could download one of the zip file creation utilities.
Use it to create the original file with pics or text as a zip file with a password.
Then use pgp to create the encrypted file.
Well, just an idea.
Data security is a career field in itself.
BTW, did you know that there are some programs that can recover data off of the hard drive, even after the drive has been formated and overwritten.
The programs/equipment costs some bucks
but the man works with our money
so thats no problem for him.

By nuecrew (Nue) on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 08:55 pm:

Hey Ion I just took Urok2s'advice and did the Anonymizer,Hushmail(which has PGP encryption)set up. I now have a email account for privacy. It's easy to do. Took about 10 minutes. Both parties have to set it up from what I read. I haven't used it yet.

By Imok Urok2 (Imok) on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 11:44 pm:

Ion, to you and others who may be newbies (to computers not shrooms) I always recomend them to get a free newsletter from Langa List by Fred Langa
This guy will not steer you wrong (his readers won't let him).
He is very deep but writes in a way that is easy to understand.
He writes to Windows/PC users so if you are a Apple follower he won't be able to help you, other than to get a view of the PC world.
He archives his previous newsletters at his site with a context search engine available.
He also has a Plus edition available for $10 a year (what a steal) but you don't need that to start.
Fred also is a columnists with Information week and has a weekly column there (currently).
I can not recomend him enough for keeping you up with current events and pointing you to resources to solve problems.
He recently had a topic regarding Good And Bad Online Security Check-Ups that complements the above link mentioned by An.
Also, (this is getting too long) you might check out a link referenced in the current Langa List for best of free windows software which is a listing compiled by alt.comp.freeware newsgroup.
Check him out, I don't swear at Fred I swear by him.
(don't get me started now) :)

By Imok Urok2 (Imok) on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 11:55 pm:

Nue, great going, simple isn't it (thankfully).
I would suggest you get the PGP software seperatly though.
Both for sending things you don't want others to look at and for securing things on your own computer that you don't want others to look at.
Also, the combination of Ziping with a password and PGPing gives additional layers of protection (you can put several PGP files in one zip file and you can put several files in a Zip file and put it in a PGP file).
Neat huh.
Good for just keeping your contact list or any other sensitive info away from others.
You can burn a cd with the info and then take it to a friends house without worying about loosing the cd (and someone else finding/looking at it).

By serialkiller1 (Serialkiller1) on Sunday, December 02, 2001 - 11:00 pm:

can anyone give me a list of the most potent to the least potent shrooms.
any help would be greatly appreciated.


By relic (Relic) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 07:07 am:

1.Psilocybe azurescens is considered to be the most potent

2.Psilocybe cyanescens is also considered to be extremely potent.

3.Psilocybe Semilanceata is considered to be extremely potent.

4.Panaeolus cyanescens is a highl-extremely potent mushroom

5.Panaeolus tropicalis is similiar to cyanescens, i hear

6.Psilocybe weilii is supposed to be high-moderately potent.

7.Psilocybe mexicana is a high-moderately potent mushroom

8.Psilocybe cubensis is high-moderately potent

i have not tried all of these mushroom species, only a few. pan cyan, mexicana, and cubensis so far
this is a word of mouth list for the most part.

By SYDYSTYK (Addict) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 07:35 am:

dont forget the damn near immpossible to cultivate-psilocybe baeocystis which from what ive read is extremely potent

By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 02:04 am:

Serial, check out erowid's mushrooms vault. Under info there is a list that ranks the magic content of the different mushrooms. I can't say for sure if it is legit, but it seems to be the same as what I hear elsewhere. Elsewhere being here in various posts. Actually, checking it would be redundant if you've read Relics post above.

By serialkiller1 (Serialkiller1) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 05:20 am:

whats the website??

By SYDYSTYK (Addict) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 05:48 am:

and everyone should read the info at EROWID

Shroom Glossary