Question about pins

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By Kevin Smith (Canshroom) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 09:52 pm:

Sorry... a lot of posts lately. My jars are coming along nicely so I'm wondering what pins look like exactly. A few of my jars have knot-like structures and many of them have ropey filaments. Can anyone post a pic of definitive pins please?

By quote: (Quote) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 10:27 pm:

observe the yellow, rounded blobs in the pic below, those are pins in their first stages.
pins

By jared (Jared112) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 10:46 pm:

I got a question for you now too quo I my jar in the picture above, I noticed that there are no little brown dots on those pins. Is that what you need the light for, is to make those knots turn into mushrooms? or do you need light to make the knots appear in the first place? Some of my jars have brown heads on the pins, others have blue.

By Brad (Raze) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 10:47 pm:

I got my first two pins today too, no "little brown dots" here either... Its not fully colonized yet though anyways

By quote: (Quote) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 10:48 pm:

the blue is just bruising, as they squeeze between cake and glass.
the brown heads come a bit later, when they grow larger and begin to resemble tiny shrooms.

By Kevin Smith (Canshroom) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 04:52 am:

So quote...when you see those, it's time to birth?

By Cbee (Cbee) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 07:00 am:

yes

By quote: (Quote) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 05:31 pm:

yup.

By Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer) on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 12:55 am:

Cograts on the pins!!
Thats when thefun REALLY starts....

I waited a long time for pins and when they start coming, LOOK OUT! Cause they will grow like monsters, faster than a speeding bullet, er, faster than a snail can run anyway ;)

By mr. mista (Mistabud) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 12:23 am:

Okay, I have 12 jars going at the present time, 10 in a terrarium, and 2 invitro.

My 2 invitro jars have already produced some fruit, and both jars have pins all over the cake.

My 10 jars in my terr. are also pinning, but none on the cake. Every pin is at the base of the cake, where it meets the verm. Half of the cakes are double cased, the other half aren't. But none of the cakes have pins on the the side, or the top of the cakes.

Can someone tell me if I'm doing something wrong? Or how I can get pinning on the rest of the cake. It seems like a large percentage of the cake is going to waste since it is not producing any fruit.

Pictures are available if that will help, just let me know.

Peace

By Fishy1 (Fishy1) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 12:34 am:

Pins often occur at the edges of substrate. The bottom edge of the cake is typical...
You are not doing anything wrong, I dont think. Things will most likely change for the 2nd flush.
Are they cased? Pix might help----fishy1

By mr. mista (Mistabud) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 12:50 am:

Sure, here are some pics. And no, they are not cased.

First, the invitro jar, as you can tell, there are pins on the top and side of the cake.
1

But on the ones like this, that are in the terrarium, they only have pins at the base.
2
3

Thanks for any input.
Peace.

By Snoopy (Snoopy) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 01:09 am:

Nice photographs, are those PFC's? Normally after the first flush people will use a fork to ruff up the edges of the cake. This will cause almost like gouges on the side. I have noticed mushrooms will grow from these gouges on the 2nd and 3rd flush. I think everything is right in order for you. Looks like you'll be picking soon.

By Fishy1 (Fishy1) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 01:14 am:

Looks like a pro to me!
You'll be fine---they look awesome. Great pix too...........fishy1

By mr. mista (Mistabud) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 01:52 am:

Snoopy, Fishy -

Thanks for the compliments.
And yes, they are PFC's. I think I will try scratching and dunking my cakes after this 1st flush.

One question though...If I'm going to scratch the cakes and dunk them, which should I do first?? Scratch then dunk? Or dunk then scratch?

Peace.

By quote: (Quote) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 03:02 am:

i'd scratch then dunk.

By mr. mista (Mistabud) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 05:44 am:

Cool, thanks for the advise guys!!


Peace.

By Nan (Nanook) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 06:35 am:

Yeah clean em real good, scratch after they are cleaned, dunk, recase.

Quo what do you think about a weak iodine dip after cleaning and rinsing cakes? Let the solution stay on the cake after the dip (no rinse) pop cake into jar and fill with clean water... Thoughts about a weak sanitizing dip anybody?

By mr. mista (Mistabud) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 07:00 am:

I have absolutely no sort of educated guess on the results of this, but I'd be more than willing to give it a try.

What kind of water/iodine ratio would you suggest?

By Nan (Nanook) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 07:29 am:

I wouldn't suggest it. It just popped into my head as I was typing, I was just asking an opinion.

I don't think it would hurt the cake... I use a diluted solution of Betadine... 10 drops in 1/2 cup water, on fresh shrooms taken into the glovebox for cloning and printing. I just wonder is a weak sanitizer dip might not help cut down on contams after milk dunks too...

I am sorry mista, I did not mean to interrupt your thread...

Nan

By mr. mista (Mistabud) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 07:43 am:

No prob Nan, it never occurred to me that you may be interrupting my thread. I already had my Q answered.

But, I'm all for experimentation, that's how we all learn things, whether they work or not. And, I'm am willing to give your idea a try on a few cakes. It actually sounds like a pretty good idea.

I just need to know what ratio you would recommend. I would think that a 20/1 - water/iodine solution would be a good starting point. What do you think?

By Nan (Nanook) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 10:12 am:

Try the same solution strength I use in my spore tek on a single cake if you wish. Too strong a concentration, or too long of an exposure will kill the mycelia

By mr. mista (Mistabud) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 10:40 am:

Cool, I'll give it a try.

I'll let you know if it survives.

Peace.

By quote: (Quote) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 01:53 pm:

interesting idea, nan.
i've long been searching for something similar,
without success.
worth experimention i'd say.

By dan k. (Cheerio) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 11:16 pm:

Well, my cakes are due to pin anyyyday now. A few of the cakes have been fully conolized for 5 - 9 days now. Should i get worried if they arent pinning by ...wendsday next week. They were kind of slow to germinate. PF says 5 days, well they took 10. The 2nd batch of jars i did actually colonized faster than the rest of them(~4days). ANYWAYS, is there a way to make then pin? They already get a decent amount of light. Im thinking about moving them to a colder side of the room. Currently up in my closet, fully colonized, thinking about moving under my bed, but still in light so they are cooler. One of the archives said that a -10 degree change was needed to pin? Tell me what to do, im impatient to see my babies!! hehe, i even named a jar after my friend because hes slow(not really but...), and the jar is colonizing slow. =x

By plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420) on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 11:32 pm:

you just need to be in the mid seventies and everything will be good... sometimes they take a little while to pin... i had a casing that took over a week and a half before it started pinning

By quote: (Quote) on Friday, February 08, 2002 - 01:42 am:

it varies, but generally about 50% of the jars will, if exposed to light, be pinning by the 21st day after inoculation.
the other 50% will follow, generally about 25% over the next week, with the final stubborn 25% taking another week or even more.
lower temps or delayed exposure to light will delay this time frame.
how long have yours been getting light ?
temp drop really isn't important to triggering pinning.

By dan k. (Cheerio) on Friday, February 08, 2002 - 02:35 am:

they have been getting light for a while now. I started them on a small light cycle from about...80% colonization. They are on the same side of my window, but the light is filtered through the curtain. So id say...10-15 days. Ive also noticed that jars that were exposed to light too early, did best in the back were they recieved little if no light at all. I guess ill wait it out =x

By dan k. (Cheerio) on Friday, February 08, 2002 - 02:58 am:

they have been getting light for a while now. I started them on a small light cycle from about...80% colonization. They are on the same side of my window, but the light is filtered through the curtain. So id say...10-15 days. Ive also noticed that jars that were exposed to light too early, did best in the back were they recieved little if no light at all. I guess ill wait it out =x

By quote: (Quote) on Friday, February 08, 2002 - 03:13 am:

from what i've seen, if you want your cakes to pin, you're not crumbling them for casing, then just expose them to light from the beginning on.
that way you're sure to get pinning shortly after full colonization, no waiting around.