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By mrnngglry (Mrnngglry) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 07:33 am:

more and more medical evidence is comming in that suggests that meth permanently damages the reticular activating system (RAS) in the brain.

needless to say, no one should try this shit even once!

have you ever taken a good look at a meth cook? these idiots cook this poison in their kitchens with their children in the next room. many of them are so burnt and stupid that they couldn't find their ass with both hands!

DON'T BE STUPID!!! WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU THINK ITS OK TO BE INVOLVED WITH, CONTRIBUTE TO THE MORASS, OR VALIDATE THE SUBCULTURE THAT DEALS WITH THIS STUFF?

think before you put a drug into your body! please.

By Brettiejams (Brettiejams) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 07:38 am:

Might I expose my ignorance by asking what the function of the RAS system in the brain is, kind sir?

Thanks...Brettie.

By onediadem (Onediadem) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 10:11 am:

Pretty soon, we will not have enough institutions for the mentally dead, or their offspring. Sorta reminds me of dawn of the dead whenever I get around someone who has spun their brains with this crap. I applaud all those who can lay it down. I wonder sometimes, what the longterm effects will be for those who used this evil vice.
My sister once showed me a recipe for this stuff.
Wow, had all kinds of nastiness. Acetone? Sure, one big helping for me please. Think I would rather chew on some horse dung for entertainment.
Be wise,
pj

By Underground_Shaman (Shaman) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 06:45 pm:

Brettie,
The RAS is the common name for a group of several brainstem nuclei which project widely throughout the brain. There are many different roles thought to be subserved by the RAS, the one I find most interesting is the regulation of *state*, ie. sleeping, waking; but I feel it is much more than that. Someday, I believe science will show that the RAS mediates consciousness itself.

Neurochemistry: serotonin, acetylcholine, epinephrine, and norepi. to name a few. Quite a complex gamish of very phylogenetically old nuclei, mediating some of the most important physiological and behavioral aspects of our lives.

There's lots more out there, bro. If your interested, there's lots out there to read.

Peace,
Shaman

By Underground_Shaman (Shaman) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 06:47 pm:

man, this $250,000 education *is* worth something

By Lichen (Lichen) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 07:25 pm:

I would hope so

By Underground_Shaman (Shaman) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 08:31 pm:

Lichen, that's "list price".

Biomedical/biological sciences are recruiting grad. students heavily these days. One can earn tuition and a stipend under the right circumstances.

This blue-collar poor boy never could have done it without such opportunity. I didn't mean to be flip, that number just amazes me. How can any brain be worth a quarter-million dollars!?!? The whole thing just blows my mind sometimes.

That's the kind of crap I end up thinking of while zoomin; pretty weird, huh?

Peace,
Shaman

By Nan (Nanook) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 09:09 pm:

Another note on Meth use... Under the influence of Meth the bodys requirements for calcium rises dramatically. The typical Meth user is not eating or eating poorly, in order to supply calcium for muscle activity the body begins to strip calcium out of the bones and the roots of the teeth.

The problem is that calcium is difficult for the body to absorb. Moving calcium through the gut wall requires an active transport mechanism in the gut cells and they expend energy transporting calcium ions into the body, it is not an osmotic process.

With the body striping calcium from the bones and teeth, the transport mechanism in the gut becomes senesent, and they have not figured out how to restore the bodies ability to absorb calcium from the diet, calcium suppliments do not work and they end up having to treat the problem with chelated calcium (with toxic side effects) and painful injections in order to stop the body from canibalizing itself... Long after meth use has ceased.

I have seen the effects. Scary as hell.

The case studies were initially made on the calcium problem because Meth was over the counter in Japan after they lost WWII and it was their drug of choice over there for like 25 years. It is partly responsible for lifting the national depression and rebuilding after the war... But they paid a human toll and osteoporosis is a major health problem in Japan, and not just among women.

By mrnngglry (Mrnngglry) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 10:35 pm:

nanook and shaman:

thanks for picking up where i left off. i suffer from laziness when it comes to typing my thoughts. so, i toss a grenade and hope someone will distribute the shrapnel.

brettie, i assume you've been answered.

i don't want to imply that i'm mr. innocent organic pure-boy. the majority of my self-imposed damage comes from alcohol. i don't drink now (or smoke cigs for that matter), but many years of playing the role of troubled poet in dank bar rooms have taken their toll.

paradox: life must be lived forwards, but can only be understood backwards.

By Waverider (Waverider) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 02:52 am:

So if someone had done meth for a few years in their youth and lived to tell the tale, what would be the long term effects?

By ShrooMaster (Shroomaster) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 03:12 am:

heres a lil story for you about where your meth comes from and who.

i live in appalachia. for those who dont know where that is its primarily poor ppl in the sticks. there are no prostitues here. ive never seen heroin here and coke only once during a large yearly festival. the drugs of choice here are pot pills drink and the occasional acid trip. because of where we are thers alot of pot growing around and if you live in indiana detroit penn or virginia right around here is where your dank is most likley grown. during the entire clinton administration a now ex sheriff went after pot full on bustin ppl left and right. then the second floor of the sheriff station got a nasty case of hemp rats and ounces would turn up missing. after this prick was voted out the new guy isnt worked up about weed. he dont like meth. in my county of about 30,000 total ppl theyve busted about 5 meth labs, 2 of whick had children in them. the cycle started when a girl i know distantly done a fresh batch and the meth started recrystalizing in her blood, damn near killing her. it went down from there. one lab was producing about 2 pounds a day [about a bar of soap worth]. the average dose of high quality meth is about the size of a fleck of fishfood. i just wonder how many ppl got ahold of the shit that almost killed her?

By Merlin of Camelot (Merlin) on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 12:21 am:

Anybody remember that meth thread we had a few weeks back? The one I posted to about how proud of my 21 year old daughter I was because she got away from that stuff? How she'd been working and staying clean for 2 years now?
Well, Thursday night she was with some friends and the cops stopped them. Seems someone had something they shouldnít have and they all went to jail. Now my daughter is charged with possession of methamphetamine with intent to distribute. $25,000 bond. First court date is the 17th. Great way to start a new year, huh?

By plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420) on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 01:45 am:

damn merlin... sorry

By ggg (Ggg) on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 03:51 am:


Hope all turns toward the better-

By Jesseb (Jesseb) on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 03:56 am:

Sorry to hear that. It took me two years to get away from that shit. It really is the "Devils" drug. Hope everything woks out.

jesseb

By An guy (Boomer) on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 04:25 am:

hey merlin- so sorry to hear it, really am.

you know, it sounds like you might be bitter, and I can understand that, if so. That remark about how proud you *were* of her- you know and I know, it's not a moral failing if she's using, it's a powerful powerful thing.

Just in case you're unproud of her, I wanted to say something about just loving her as best you can....sorry if I'm speaking out of turn.

I really wish there was something a body could do to help.

By relic (Relic) on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 04:25 am:

shit merlin.

By ion ewe (Ion) on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 06:16 am:

Just remember... this, too, shall pass, my friend.
I can commiserate...

But she has not failed, Father.
She will continue to grow and learn with her experience of life.

It's just one hell of thing for us to go through as dads! Chin up. All is not lost. I will pray for you.

-ion

By Brettiejams (Brettiejams) on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 06:43 am:

Try not to worry Merlin..... Perhaps this episode will be enough to convince her what many of us here already know... that shit is pure evil.

If you though she had been clean for two years... maybee she had already figured this out, for the most part, and this incident will reinforce this to her.

A hard lesson to learn, perhaps, but worth it if this really ends all her association with that nasty drug and/or the people that use it.

I wish the both of you well.

By quote: (Quote) on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 02:17 pm:

sometimes, the legal system is what it takes to break the cycle of addiction.
hope they go easy on her.

By Maliki vision seaker (Maliki) on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 04:24 pm:

Well that just plain sucks. It's these types of isues that make me not want to let my daughters growup. But we all know just how that works out. This is why i decided to be flat out open and honest with my girls. As bad as it may sound to some my 7 year old is aware of the fact that dads a toker as well as grandmas and grandpas and aunts and unceles . Ive instilled that they can come to me with anything and as mad as i may seem to get never misunderstand , that its just my pain in knowing that i failed you in some way. They must learn there own lessons as we all did and do. So in close Your Love as a father supercedes all else. Be suportive shes your litle girl.......Good thoughts and wishes.

By Lichen (Lichen) on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 07:00 pm:

I am constantly seeing new cases of meth abuse and the detriments of it...recently the local storekeeper--a little mom-and-pop's--is facing the deteriation of her family situation because her previously-drunk husband (while no longer a drunk) is now enmeshed in a meth lifestyle. All kinds of juicy details go along with it---abuse of the children, violent gun-to-the-head suicide-threat episodes, spousal abuse, chronic laziness, no job, husband won't help with the school-age kids; he won't help keep the house together, or anything. He's full of venom and hatred, all twisted up inside and ugly to everybody around him.
Meth is fucked up shit. I hope your daughter learns sooner or later. She doesn't realize that her life is going to waste because of meth. It's something she'll see later in life, when it's too late to get back the time that has been wasted. How sad for humanity.
Merlin, don't bail her out. See to it she gets at least 30 days in de-tox. It's amazing what 30 clean days can do for an addict. Judgement becomes skewed in the midst of a binge. She needs to get off the stuff before she can grow one bit. And it's painful to get off meth, because it's so difficult to get away from the meth crowd. She'll have to break with that crowd, and it will take time...frustrating time, both for her and for you. But more so for her. Meth is ruining her life, and she's got a long, hard climb before she can get free from it.

By Cragith Kilbonith (Kilborn) on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 10:12 pm:

It wasnt merlins doughter that was busted with the meth it was the driver and everyone in the car was charged with the same thing intent to sell .

By onediadem (Onediadem) on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 10:29 pm:

If she is still hanging with the meth crowd, she is still involved. It may not be a use thing, but the contact with the people/drug, will go no where good for her.
I can only say, be loving, and caring, but as Lichen recommended, by no means bail her out.
Perhaps this episode is what she will need to break clean. I have had my own family destroyed by this horrible drug. It sucks.
Good luck, and your family will be in my prayers also.
pj

By Merlin of Camelot (Merlin) on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 12:59 am:

Wow, thanks for the support everyone.
Boomer, Yes Iím a little bitter, as much by the way this happened as by the cause but I still havenít forgotten Iím Dad and thatís my little girl.
Brettie, I think youíre right, she has figured it out for the most part. She has been clean, working and living on her own. In the last few months Iíve noticed the return of self-esteem. Still hadnít quite learned the lesson about paying bills before buying weed, though. (May have been guilty of that me self at that age).
Ion, I know sheís not a failure but why the hell do they decide to climb the learning curve at the steepest points, Dammit?
Lichen? Wow, hey whatís up? Sorry it was this thread but Iím sure glad to see you. We've discussed this before. It's an evil, dirty drug with a very sharp hook. Iíve been aware for a while that some recreational meth use went on around the crowd she hangs with. However I still honestly believe sheís staying out of it, just not away from it yet. Certainly nothing like the previous round of constant use at any rate. I guess weíll see depending on how this all works out. She claims that she was clean, just in the wrong damn car with the wrong people. Of course the fact that she canít ever keep her mouth shut prolly didnít help her any. That may be a bit of Dad showing in the daughter. Usually, I blame the Irish blood for these things.
I truly hope that she is telling the truth about this and the charges will all drop, and sometime Thursday Iíll post a happy ending to this thread. She is a great kid after all, my first-born.
Again, thanks everyone, Merlin needed a kind word just now.

By Kaijan (Kaijan) on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 02:08 am:

good luck to you and your daughter..

everything always works out good in the end!

kai.