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|By Kaijan (Kaijan) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 06:26 am: The Nook|
Hey. I'm bored and curious.
Does anyone here feel they suffer from any long term effects of psilocybin (good/bad)?
How do you typically feel the few days after a trip?
|By patoban (Patoban) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 06:47 am: The Nook|
hmmmm.. interesting that you would ask this question, my gf and i were just having this conversation. ok so here is some background.. last tuesday we both dosed on 4 grams of pfc's, all fairly small sized, pre-veil tearing, plus we both had a good amount of rue extract. i had eaten shrooms before but with no real effects, she had once but again nothing too extreme... so anyways we both tripped extremly hard... she was unprepared for the experience and had a very unpleasant time... lots of screaming and crying, mucus flowing freely out her nose while she drooled and writhed on the floor spouting off complete nonsense, while i tried to keep up with her and make sure she didnt hurt herself or get loud enough to get the cops called. after about three hours of this she finally calmed down and as the shrooms wore off we actually had a pretty good time.soooo... back to the topic... as far as after-effects, we both have had trouble sleeping and some rather disturbing dreams the last few days, one night she woke up and told me that she felt like she was tripping again, at least the mental aspects.i dont know, maybe these arent left over from the shrooms themselves but rather from the negative things that the trip brought back in her. i personally have felt fairly groggy, maybe a little exausted mentally but not enough to feel impaired in any way, definatly nothing compared to how ive felt after some heroic doses of acid, and i have done some some extremely high doses of lsd (about 1/4 vial at once!)
|By boomer (Cmos) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 08:05 am: The Nook|
Dude, for someone that hasn't tripped before, 4 grams is WAY too much. Damn, it sounds like she really flipped out. That is just way too much for a first timer. IMO
To the subject though,
I don't know about long term effects(as in permanent effects), but...I have been diagnosed to have depression, I don't take any meds for it, and I rarely feel depressed. But, after I trip, for anywhere from 3 or 4 day, up to a couple of weeks, I usually am pretty depressed. Mushrooms are the only drugs that seem to do that to me, acid has no such effect. It really isn't all that bad, I don't get suicidal or anything, but it is noticeable.
This probably isn't the type of thing you wanted to know about, but that is the only bad side effect that I have ever encountered.
|By Kaijan (Kaijan) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 05:16 pm: The Nook|
Boomer, yeah thats exactly what i wanted to know.
patoban, i can associate. one time my girlfriend and I were tripping and she blacked out in the bathroom and fell right onto the floor pretty hard. when i walked in she was just laying there... she woke up pretty scared and thought she was dying the rest of the trip. What a long night that was...
Ever since i've felt like i'm still tripping at times.. sorta like everything is dreamlike. Its kinda weird and hard to explain. I was just wondering if anyone else had the same feelings.
|By Underground_Shaman (Shaman) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 06:21 pm: The Nook|
Shrooms cause long-term kindness, love, peace, harmony, and joy...at least, when they are used properly.
Depression, anxiety, paranoia, personality disorders...are some of the dangers of screwing up your brain and mind...
I sometimes have a headache the next day...
But, after a really good trip I feel GREAT for a week or so afterwards.
This is something I've heard before (perhaps from Leary's writings). Good trip, good afterglow; Bad trip, bad vibes afterwards.
Set and setting are key. Our fungi friends are not to be taken lightly.
To Patoban: I would skip the Rue next time, esp. for your girl. Have your girlie try about 2.5 g. of the primos like you had before, no rue, and have a light snack 2-3 hours before you dose.
This will take the edge off, and smooth out the trip some. I hope she isn't turned off to shrooms permanently.
|By patoban (Patoban) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 07:19 pm: The Nook|
no...she actually wants to trip again... i think the timing was bad... finals coming up and all, she got wooried that she was fried for good and then things started spinning out of control, but really it wasnt all bad, just too much for her. i guess i should have known better, but a few months ago we had bought a 1/4 o and split that... neither of us felt much off that, which is why we went all out this time. anyways i learned my lesson.. treat these little guys with respect or they will kick your ass
|By Lichen (Lichen) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 07:38 pm: The Nook|
yes, they most certainly will.
Sometimes after a nice trip, I find that real life is colorless and boring, and feel that the other side is so much better that I often end up eating them every day for weeks until I get depressed about it. Then, sometimes, I am depressed for a long time, and can't seem to get my balance back. It's a trip. Sometimes I get headaches when I eat shrooms.
Long term, I think it creates in me a paradox: I love shrooms too much, and struggle in my mind about whether they're right for me to take, or whether maybe I should not ever eat them again. (I just ate one now, so you can see I'm still trying to decide)
For certain shrooms enhance life, but you can't live enhanced all the time; you've got to come down sometime. So I try(and succeed for months at a time) to give em a break, and live normally. But then alcohol begins to look attractive again, and I drink for awhile, more and more, until I've had enough of that, and then I usually turn back to shrooms and pot again.
I'm a real headcase, badly addicted to various substances, and life is a constant juggle between drugs...the drug of the moment is shrooms, and lunch is over, so I'm going back out to finish building racks on my pickup; then I've got to go to the lumber yard, and then I need to go thaw out a neighbor's pipes...
|By UnkyHerb (Notapplicable) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 08:05 pm: The Nook|
I've had some incredible splitting headaches after a shroom trip. Like someone in the center of the back of my head is trying to drill his way out with a drill bit thats bigger then I.
I too get depressed and groggy for a few days after shrooming.. never felt really good after shrooms the next day.. but I have quite a few times on acid. Take some shrooms, let them work their magic, then drop a hit of E. Wow ;) Peace.
|By Hudsonismss (Hudsonismss) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 08:07 pm: The Nook|
i'm right with underground shaman: good/positive trip=> good afterglow...more positive outlook and aproach to life for that matter. and conversely, bad/negative trip=> possibly struggle to fall back into the normal clothing of who you are, life doesn't feel so right.
but yet again, set and setting are paramount. when running the risk of not taking the necessary precautions- making mature, responcible decisions of how, when, with...- things are obviously more predisposed to going wrong, and going down... but that's something that you can definatly help, maybe not control, of the experience and the life that follows.
And ya definatly, agiain with shaman, i think the affects on character are vastly more important than the comparitivly negligable physical affects of wise, moderate use.
it always hurts when i hear of a bad trip, to know that shrooms were unable to serve as well as they can; but good to hear (potaban's) she was not jaded and was willing to try again...
just me thoughts...
|By plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 08:22 pm: The Nook|
i have never had a shroom trip that i didn't come off of feeling refreshed and with a better eye on the world around me... however, with lsd i have had some horrible experiences... definitely some long term effects there... lsd makes me fell like trash... maybe i burnt myself out on it cause i did it alot, but after awhile it just started feeling evil and chemically... mushies have always been very spiritual though and i am filled with the afterglow for weeks
|By Nan (Nanook) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 09:18 pm: The Nook|
Shrooms just don't really do it for me. For my taste I find a good shot of Cactus Syrup is the best magic around. Shrooms are a hell of a lot of fun to grow and experiment with, but there is no doubt in my mind. Cactus is where it's at for a rich pleasurable experience... And it's harder to overdose.
|By Kaijan (Kaijan) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 09:56 pm: The Nook|
i wish i had some cactus to play with.. never tried it before. maybe i should attempt to grow some
|By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 12:22 am: The Nook|
Nan, what do you mean by harder to overdose? Do you mean overdose as in freak out? Or do you mean overdosing on drugs other than shrooms? What would a shroom overdose be?
|By Kaijan (Kaijan) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 01:36 am: The Nook|
ld50 i think?
You'd have to ingest 50% of your body weight in the drug.
I *think* someone correct me if i'm wrong.
regardless, its something you could never do unless you had your heart set on it
|By gnas (Psystep) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 01:55 am: The Nook|
Courtesy of Lycaeum - Psilocybe Mushroom faq
ED50 : LD50 ratio = 641 for psilocybin
9637 for vitamin A
4816 for LSD
199 for aspirin
21 for nicotine
"doses up to 200 mg of psilocybin/kg of body (in average human terms (65 kg) 13 grams have been injected intravenously without lethal effects" - 200 mg of psilocybin is fucking massive let alone 13 grams for 65kg.
Anyone wants to investigate these figures on themselves??
|By ShrooMaster (Shroomaster) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 02:47 am: The Nook|
if you take alot of mao inhibiters such as rue youll get what my dad calls prozac dreams. they are common. ive never ad weird dreams off shrooms. i feel good after a trip but ppl tell me that im distant for a fews days afterwords.
|By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 03:12 am: The Nook|
So what that means is a shroom overdose is next to impossible. So what Nan meant (I assume, correct me if I'm wrong) is a freak-out overdose. Is this correct Nan?
|By ShrooMaster (Shroomaster) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 03:35 am: The Nook|
no he meant gettin in ovr your head. see that one doods ole lady.
|By Kaijan (Kaijan) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 05:07 am: The Nook|
yeah, by 'overdose' he was most likely refering to dosing over the level you intended to be at.
|By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 07:25 am: The Nook|
The freak-out overdose, just what I suspected. Shroomaster, I know it means something but, excuse my simplemindedness, what does that second sentence of your post mean?
|By patoban (Patoban) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 07:17 pm: The Nook|
i think he was talking about the experience i related at the begining of this thread
|By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 08:22 pm: The Nook|
Ah, "dudes old lady," of course. Best of luck to her on her next try!
|By jack cracker (Cptcracker) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 02:43 am: The Nook|
all things in moderation, puh-lease. even small doses (1/2gm) can be a good trip, go over 3gm and you are walking the line. better to build to higher doses than to jump in and hope you can swim.
in my salad days we did massive doses with no lasting complications, although one time, the next morning, i did pass out, awakening after a few seconds, 100% blind. the blindness faded after about 2 minutes, and i was fine after that. i even spoke to a doctor about the blindness, but there was nothing for him to add to the situation without a recurring problem. nothing since, although i have done little more to change my lifestyle than mature.