Ipomea Violacea & lysergic acid amide?

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Morning Glory

By Matt Dalton (Org_Anic25) on Tuesday, November 27, 2001 - 09:11 pm:

I'm sure there are some of you out there that have heard of lysergic acid amide existing amoung certain breeds of Morning Glory seeds. I have done extensive studies into these ethnobotanical possibilities have have not found anything promising exept for some scary chemistry work. Personally I think thats why we have fungi to learn from the inner worlds. I know of a strange extraction process of lysegic acid amide from Ipomea Violacea using absolv grade petrolium ether first on ground seeds then filtering and drying. Second, an ethanolic extraction of the lysergic acid amides is made from the so called "cleansed" seed powder. This alcohol is drunk for the effects of a mildly active lysergic acid amide experience. Anyone know more?

By quote: (Quote) on Tuesday, November 27, 2001 - 09:23 pm:

is that baby hawaiian woodrose ?

By Matt Dalton (Org_Anic25) on Tuesday, November 27, 2001 - 09:45 pm:

Ipomea Violacea is a common American ornamental Morning Glory. Both baby and large Hawiian Woodrose contain lysergic acid amides in larger concentrations than morning glory, but also contain cynogenic glucosides that evedently cause more problems in the purification process and side effects, blehh.

By mrnngglry (Mrnngglry) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 05:52 am:

i know enough to advise against wasting your time and liver on this stuff.

By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 09:56 am:

Mrn, do you mean the woodrose and morning glory seeds wasting your time and liver or the LSD? You can't mean the LSD, you mean messing with the seeds, right???

By ion ewe (Ion) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 10:18 pm:

Everything you ingest affects the liver. From acetaminophen to zebra meat. Seeds contain nasties(puky glucosides) and goodies(LSA's), but both affect the liver in a negative way. Some chemicals do more harm than others. If LSD wasn't taken in such small amounts, it would probably destroy your liver! It's already a bad idea to take *anything* if your liver isn't fully up to par. Hepatitis, cirrhosis, jaundice, etc. My advice is to get a copy of any blood work you get done from your doctor. Look for the Hepatic Function Panel. If all is in the green (there should be a reference range for the numbers), you're good to go. If you do a lot of drugs, you really need to get your liver checked. Ask for a Liver Panel next time you go to the doctor. You'll need to fast and stay sober (ingest only water and a few plain unsalted crackers if you need a snack) for 12 hours before the blood is drawn.


By mrnngglry (Mrnngglry) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 12:59 am:

jim brown


also, read hoffman's take on it in "lsd my problem child", ott's "pharmacotheon", and shulgin's "tihkal".

the concensus seems to be it is an unpleasant experience most of the time. i've never heard anyone say morning glories consistently prove to be an effective catalyst for a psychedelic state. the user sits around for hours trying not to vomit while asking themself if they are high yet. even pure lsa is a bummer.

do you suppose that's why the seeds are legal?

By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 02:11 pm:

In The Anarchist Cookbook, there is a recipe for a morningglory seed and a woodrose seed extraction. It says they are homemade LSD recipes. I always wanted to try it. Of course, I didn't figure it would work...the book also recomends smoking peanut skins, banana peels and toads.

By Paradox (Paradox) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 02:36 pm:

anarchist cookbook is mostly a crock o' shit.

By gnas (Psystep) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 03:33 pm:

crock o' shit is right. LSD from moringglory seeds?? Not unless you can grab a "diethyl" and pluck it down on the "amide" of LSA. Last time I checked, diethyls were out of stock in Wal-Mart.

By Kaijan (Kaijan) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 01:14 am:

chemistry geeks

By Organic (Org_Anic25) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 02:54 am:

Yes, you're right gnas, the magic of the lysergic acid derivitives has always been in the diethyl radical. 2 separate ethyl chains CH2-CH3 bonded by nitrogen. Diethylamide is one of the most guarded substances by the govenment now. Plus, getting the ethyl radicals to form properly requires a bit of skill in a quality lab setting.

Posted by: TrIpY Jul 12 03, 05:32 PM GMT
once before i asked people here how many or how much seeds is needed to trip off of for a first time. can someone tell me how many like in number wise or grams i should consume of these? and can you alos tell me the side affects such as how long it last for and maybe sickness and dangers and how often bad trips come when taking morning glory seeds?........ oh and a couple of other things whats the chemical morning glory coantain that makes you trip??? huh.gif ...........and is it normal to have both white and black seeds is one of the two not good?

Posted by: TrIpY Jul 12 03, 05:51 PM GMT
oh yeah for got to ask to.......how do they make you feel? is it closer to a mushroom trip or a cacti trip? whats the difference between the morning glory trip and the cacti/mushroom trip?.......thanks

Posted by: jezu Jul 12 03, 06:10 PM GMT
Morning Glory Seeds contain LSA which is like a very weak from of L.S.D.
Last time I tryed them it just made me feel bleah.gif bleah.gif bleah.gif bleah.gif bleah.gif for about 4 hours, after which there where some faint l.s.d like visuials. Although I just used store bought seeds and didnt realy do a proper water based extraction.

Posted by: TrIpY Jul 12 03, 06:15 PM GMT
like what kind of sickness are we talking about......how did u feel like light headed a stomach cramp or what give me some details but if its bad enough i may not eat them.

Posted by: flatalbert Jul 12 03, 07:12 PM GMT
Morning Glory Seeds contain LSA which is like a very weak from of L.S.D.

Not quite. They contain a chemical similar, Lysergic acid amines, which may produce mild visual distortions like 5meo, but a mind shattering high.

If they are smaller (the size of a matchead) then 400 seeds. If they are larger (the size of 2-4 matcheads) then 2-300. Make sure they aren't treated with fungicide because that can make you very ill. If it came from an ethnobotanical supplier or organic place, that shouldn't be a worry.

They are a really "dark" and "organic" high. The nausea is managable and almost non-existent if you take a dramamine for motion sickness.

Be careful. You are asking about the dose before knowing what they will do to you. Check www.erowid.org for more info.

The only other thing I would tell you is eat a small meal beforehand and drink plenty of water because you may feel dehydrated.


Posted by: Jonny Pajamas Jul 12 03, 07:26 PM GMT
I had the same bleah.gif reaction

I thought I was going to need to go the hospital

I was having the worst shooting pains in my stomach

And the slight trippy feeling didn't help

Seeds are for people who don't know how to grow shrooms

Posted by: jezu Jul 12 03, 07:40 PM GMT
Yeah it was kinda realy unplesant my GF at the time thought i had poisioned her. I would defantly not recommend this stuff.

Posted by: flatalbert Jul 12 03, 08:27 PM GMT
I liked them when I took mind altering substances. Couldn't do them all the time. They are dark and heavy. A light meal and dramamine goes a long ways. Lots of insight on them.

Posted by: TrIpY Jul 12 03, 09:19 PM GMT
what if i have about 110 little ones (about one match head) and about 50 to 60 big ones (about two or three match heads)???????? huh.gif would that be enough to let me feel it ( i weigh about 160)............mmmm i dont have any motion sickness pills on me and i want to do them tonight yet.... what should i do? will i feel sick if i dont take that type of pill is there any other kind of pills that would help with sickness........ oh and yeah i got them from earl may so they are earl may brand i dont know if they have fungicide on them or not can you help me out flatalbert??? oh and yeah this will be my first time eating morning glory seeds so im not experiance i dont want a to dark of a trip just one with visualls..... i had another question but i cant remember.

Posted by: flatalbert Jul 13 03, 11:02 AM GMT
They aren't visual, they just give visual distortions. If you smoke the ganj (where legal) CEV's can easily be achieved.

Dramamine and a slight meal are the only way I found to totally stave off the nausea. A hit or 2 of the ganj might help. I used to eat them straight, and only had slight digestive discomfort. For some people, if they don't take something, the stomach upset can be severe.

That many seeds as a dose would be sufficient probably, but no promise that they don't have fungicide.

It is a strage entheogen. Dark, but kind.

Posted by: Malformed Jul 13 03, 12:10 PM GMT
if you want to eat some seeds to get a trip, i would just get some HWBR instead.

morning glory seeds can be nice but i wont do them again.
it just takes too many seeds, and the trip isnt very special.

i ate atleast 200 medium to large seeds and it was mild, and fairly uncomfortable.
i wouldnt recomend it.

from what i hear HWBR are better all around and takes less to get off.
but i dont have first hand experiance with them.

Posted by: bluedolphin Jul 13 03, 02:48 PM GMT
I agree, they are a "dark and organic experience" unlike most psychedelics.
However, they can be very visual. Every time I've done it I've had at least some open eye visuals.

150 good sized seeds will usually have patterns in tapestries swirling around.
200 seeds and the room will be breathing.

On a dose of about 225 seeds I walked by a lightpost and the light went through a full spectrum of
colors, and all the light on the ground also cycled through all the colors as well.

Likely side effects include stomach cramps/pain/nausea, stiffness in the joints and muscles (making
it hard to walk normally sometimes), and delerium.

I've never had acid, but MG/LSA can screw with your head at least as much as shrooms if you take
enough. In my opinion the trip isn't as pleasant, but if you're willing to deal with what can be some
unpleasant and persisting side effects, you might get something worthwhile out of it.

Posted by: boxedhearts Jul 13 03, 03:07 PM GMT
I've tried it....it might be a last resort or if you dont want to mess with illegal stuff, but I would rather just smoke pot, to tell you the truth. The nausea can be overwhelming and I remember feeling lethargic.

I've been hearing good things about HBWR seeds. You have to eat less of them (about 6, though they are bigger) and the nausea is supposed to be more tolerable. I'm giving them a try.

Or better yet..get some San Pedro. It's legal and very potent. peace.gif

Posted by: Voodoo Jul 13 03, 03:12 PM GMT
QUOTE (boxedhearts @ Jul 13 03, 03:07 PM GMT)
and the nausea is supposed to be more tolerable


Not really. Although the dramamine thing is new to me. THAT might make it more tolerable. wink.gif

Posted by: TrIpY Jul 13 03, 07:41 PM GMT
hello again guys i tryed them last night biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif it was a mellow trip i went and got more i did about 400..... no cramps though so i enjoyed it ........it wasnt the best trip but i still liked it very cool..... wink.gif

Posted by: flatalbert Jul 13 03, 08:10 PM GMT
Good man. Way to have a sense of adventure.

Posted by: boxedhearts Jul 14 03, 10:26 AM GMT
Cool Tripy biggrin.gif

Glad you enjoyed wub.gif

Posted by: cheshire cat Aug 04 03, 11:42 PM GMT
i bought about 200 untreated Pearly Gates from a local garden store n munched on them...didnt feel much except a little light headed after an hour...so i smoked 2 bowls and all i can really say is that they increased the mary high...hadnt felt that way since the first time i smoked .... id say it was a nice experience but chewing on that many seeds makes yur mouth really bitter...nothing special enough for me to try again...peace

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