|Amanita muscaria the holy grail???||12||10/28 09:54pm||Timothy Leary|
|By fungis amongus (Fungisamongus) on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 11:39 pm:|
Hey I've recently found some Amanita Muscaria mushrooms in the wild, and I was wondering if anyone has ever eaten them. From what I've researched they are a whole different breed as far as tripping. They can make you delerious, and loony, and I even read from one souce that they can be fatal in North America unlike their European relatives... Because of the different information I've read, I have been afraid to eat them. So have any of you eaten them from the wild in North America? If so how much did you eat? was it fresh or dried? What happened to you?
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 05:39 am:|
My buddy says it's like being hallucinogenically poisoned with amphetamines (not as bad as it sounds, though; it's just a description of the feeling). It was a dried cap about 1.5 inches in diameter (this is dry, remember, so it was smaller than fresh). Just the one cap, no stem, seared a little over an open flame, then chewed and washed down with water. Buddy weighs about 150 pounds. It was wild from N. America. Different people react to the stuff in different ways, though. It is poisonous, so do be very careful. Make double damn sure it's a Fly Agaric and not a Panther Cap. Decide for yourself if you want to risk it, then take half the amount you were willing to try. The antidote for this type of thing is usually a LOT of milk (or butter) and bread, as much as you can eat. I'm not certain on this one, though, so check it out before you dose. Peace.
P.S. If you don't want 'em, I'm sure I know someone who does.
|By Pneuma9 (Pneuma9) on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 06:32 am:|
No personal experience but 'what ive gathered' Buy "A" quality if from a supplier or harvest fresh.
Slice ala cubies THEN bake/pasteurize @170,for 1 hour. Pour 'juice' it oozes back over while in oven. This converts toxins to muscimol. (good)
Consume no more than 5 dried grams and like posted above 2.5
Info received from, but not directly quoted from erowid.org Your Nations Best Drug Info Source:-) They should patent that slogan!
As always, find someone u trust thats bigger than u for a sitter whos not on drugs:-)
Im really assuming youre gonna go to Mario World. Good luck, and kick bowsers ass!
|By fungis amongus (Fungisamongus) on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 08:46 pm:|
I'll tell you what happens, I'm going to try and just wash them off, and eat cap tissue fresh. eating only a small amount thats carefully weighed, then see what happens. I know know where lots are, so I can go get more if it works. I'll let you know what happens to me, wish me luck.
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 03:59 am:|
Don't eat the damn thing without roasting it!
|By Pneuma9 (Pneuma9) on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 05:09 am:|
Go ahead dude, eat it and die. See if I give a fuck. Why ask a question and not listen to the answer? No luck given if you eat it fresh.
|By Pneuma9 (Pneuma9) on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 09:36 am:|
|By Lichen (Lichen) on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 04:50 pm:|
I have eaten A. muscaria many times. It's been fifteen years or so since I did, however, because they don't do much for me. Maybe perception became a bit altered, but barely enough to notice. It was more like pretending to be high.
We also smoked them, which is absurd and works only as a placebo.
If you fast for two or three days before eating A. muscaria, they work much better, according to a friend who has done that. However, they may cause liver damage down the line or have some other long-term effects that aren't known. They are admittedly poisonous.
|By Nanook of the North (Nanook) on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 06:20 pm:|
What you need is a pet pot bellied pig. The A. muscaria needs to be heated in order to become truly effective... Heat them (the above post on cooking them looks good to me)... Feed them to your pot bellied pig.
Then drink the pig urine.
Think I am kidding? They are toxic, even when properly prepared. However, when they are consumed, the liver breaks down the toxins (and some liver breaks down too I would think)... But what little magic there is passes completely unchanged through the kidneys. Thus the urine contains the dose, less the toxins... And I would think it would be better for the toxin breakdown to occur in any liver other than mine
See... I am not such a sicko, unless you're a pot bellied pig...
Seriously, from a number of first hand reports my understanding is that the effects are not worth the poisonous side effects. I will stick to cubies and Cacti thank you very much
|By skabb (Skabb) on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 08:39 pm:|
does Amanita muscarina are illegal in USA?
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 11:07 pm:|
Of course. It's not sold by a drug company, and it's a drug. It's been around long enough for them to know about it, and they can't make any money from it's use except by making it illegal. So, it's illegal. So's your brain, by the way...
|By monkeyod (Monkeyod) on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 11:17 pm:|
A. Muscaria are legal in the States.
|By Mr. (Green) on Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 02:24 pm:|
One thing you guys should know is aminita muscaria is "thought" to be poisonous. From what i've read it's not unless it shares a mycilial network with a poisonous aminita or an infected aminita muscaria.
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Friday, October 05, 2001 - 01:38 am:|
That's a new one on me. And that's saying something... Please elaborate.
P.S. Monkeyod, where are you getting this? The active chemical (muscimol) is illegal, and in the US that makes the "container" illegal.
|By Pneuma9 (Pneuma9) on Friday, October 05, 2001 - 08:32 am:|
If they're illegal, why is it possible to purchase them?
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Saturday, October 06, 2001 - 06:47 am:|
They (the mushrooms) are not very well known, but the chemical is known enough to make it scheduled. You can actually buy peyote and seeds, too, if you look around, but it's substantially harder to find because it's more well known. Hell, your average local cop usually has no idea what peyote even looks like! Trust me... So how could they bust some little place with a bag of dried mushrooms (or fresh ones) that obviously look different than the ones they're looking for. As a matter of fact, A. muscaria is one of the most popularly depicted shrooms of all time! Just look at the caps in your old faery tale picture books... see how non-threatening and perfectly legal it looks...
|By Glassman (Glassman) on Saturday, October 06, 2001 - 05:03 pm:|
according to erowid, they are legal in the US. go to http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas_law.shtml
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Saturday, October 06, 2001 - 06:52 pm:|
OK. I think you guys are right. They are legal in the US. I have been reading up on some of my newer info, and it seems that muscimol isn't actually scheduled, but is "only to be used in animal studies". Maybe I was thinking of another chemical that lives in A. muscaria. It's possible, considering things like bufotenine (which has NO "fun" properties) is scheduled just because DMT (it's cousin) is. Sorry for the mis-info. I was kinda under the impression that the USgovt. is such a band of righteous pricks, that they schedule anything remotely "interesting" as quickly as possible. However, it figures thay would "allow" people to poison themselves with real toxins...
But, thanks guys. I don't want to go around with half-truths stuck in my brain... those are dangerous because they eventually lead to unbending opinionation. Now where's my brown paper bag and flashlight...
Hey Mr. Green! Please post some more about that "poison network" thing! That was very interesting...
|By monkeyod (Monkeyod) on Saturday, October 06, 2001 - 07:14 pm:|
Tons of people selling them (dried) here in the states, so I don't think that erowid is wrong on this. I guess they think that it's just not a 'fun' enough high to make it illegal.
I just went to the DEA website and downloaded the PDF of all scheduled drugs and did a search and didn't find Muscimol anywhere in it. BTW, poking around on their site and mushrooms are very low on their radar...just listed in the 'Drugs of Abuse' section not the 'Drug of Concern' - these are cocaine, heroin, LSD, GHB, Methamphetamine, marijuana...even steroids. Looks like they don't care about us...how sad.
Ion, San Pedros (and others) cacti contain Mescaline but are sold(legally) at all over the US (like Home Depot). But if they find you extracting the mescaline then they can bust you.
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Saturday, October 06, 2001 - 07:20 pm:|
Exactly my point. The things are legal for their lack of public scrutiny, but technically illegal for their contents. It's all relative, man...
|By monkeyod (Monkeyod) on Saturday, October 06, 2001 - 07:52 pm:|
I'm sure the DEA knows about Pedros it's just that they are playing to the 'law of diminishing returns'. If they started going after this type of stuff it would take up all their man power and more.
They are totally legal, but just like a gun if you use them for the wrong purpose they can bust you.
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Saturday, October 06, 2001 - 08:32 pm:|
hit the nail on the head, there, monk...