|By jared (Jared112) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 04:53 am:|
I just wanted to know if verm has water in it out of the bag. I already have a bag of the shit and know what it looks and feels like, but I am thinking about baking it along with the brown rice flower in the oven to eliminate contams before I prep my jars. Here is what I am talking about...
So basically what I want to know is after I bake it will it need more water like 60cc or 70cc instead of the usual 50cc?
|By Nan (Nanook) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 05:10 am:|
No, it's dry in the bag usually. And you bring up a good point... It is possible for bags of Verm to become contaminated with water. If it feels the slightest bit moist, I would either bake it in the oven and measure precisely, or mix the substrate by feel....
BTW, I am going to steal that photo too for Archiving... Head up the Verm folder. Thnx
|By relic (Relic) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 05:28 am:|
that seems like some salty verm @ 8.99, i wouldn't bake the BRF
|By Nan (Nanook) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 05:51 am:|
I agree, and I missed that Relic. I have never needed to, nor advised, toasting BR or BRF as part of the Substrate Tek.
Read em over, nowhere does it mention toasting Rice. Verm is already toasted, the stuff is near sterile in the bag.
|By greenthumb (Greenthumb) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 07:18 am:|
My bag of verm contained moisture. It formed condensation on the inside of the bag. It smelled a little musty. If I was going to case with it I would consider sterilizing it first. Try baking it, without the BRF, in the oven, like this example of sterilizing verm.
|By XUnkyHerbX (Notapplicable) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 09:10 am:|
Yes, my most recent bag of vermiculite weighed nearly 20 pounds.. it was all wet. Do to cicumstances I didn't have the means to return it, so I baked it until it was dry.
But, I did absoulutely nothing to it for my double-end casing, and my regular casing.. no problems so far :o
|By jared (Jared112) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 04:36 pm:|
Why do you guys think that it would be a bad Idea to bake the brown rice flower? That is what I heard has the most contams in it right out of the bag. Will baking the BRF make it not as good for growing or something like that?
|By XUnkyHerbX (Notapplicable) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 04:44 pm:|
Heat kills some nutrients.. when you cook foor you loose alot of enzymes, or something :o
|By quote: (Quote) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 06:20 pm:|
no real reason to bake it,
when you're going to sterilize it anyway when you prepare you jars.
|By Timothy Leary (Timothyleary) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 06:24 pm:|
Like UnkyHerb, i have used it to case wet-out-of-the-bag as well, so far no contam issues.
|Posted by: Fungusmaximus Feb 03 03, 04:51 PM GMT|
| I have a hard time gettin verm where I live, so when I do find some I snatch it up.
I got this shit today, and its been hydrated, Ive never seen this before.
Its the big and chunky verm too. Ive been wanting some of that, but whats up with it being wet? Its the perfect moisture content, can I use it straight out of the bag? Ill probably pasturize anyway just to be safe, but I was curious about this wet verm. Prolley so it doesnt produce breatheable dust...
|Posted by: ShroomVator Feb 03 03, 04:58 PM GMT|
| Very strange - the vermiculite business must be a strange enterprise. I dont know much about the water, which is odd, but I have had some issues....
I, too, have problems getting vermiculite, but more in getting similar consistency from time to time. I can only get one brand of vermiculite, no matter what store/gardening center I go to - its the only one availible by me.
But, sometimes it is coarse, sometimes medium, sometimes fine, and sometimes it is a mix of two grades. They only sell generic "vermiculite" though and the grade depends on what time of year you get it. When I reupped a few weeks ago, I bought 5 bags and it is all 'mixed' - mostly very fine mixed with a bunch of coarse.
|Posted by: Mycota Feb 03 03, 05:13 PM GMT|
| If you cannot find it at garden center supply stores. Look in the phone book, under insulation & call around & ask.
|Posted by: Fungusmaximus Feb 03 03, 05:21 PM GMT|
| Yea usually I get the schultz verm and its the consistency you mentioned.
This shit say professional grade vem in a fancy lookin bag. A bit more expensive too. Here
|Posted by: Fungusmaximus Feb 03 03, 05:22 PM GMT|
|Posted by: Fungusmaximus Feb 03 03, 05:22 PM GMT|
|Posted by: Fungusmaximus Feb 03 03, 05:25 PM GMT|
|Posted by: phillinwierd Feb 03 03, 05:46 PM GMT|
|Glad I work in a greenhouse, we got tons of the shit. Hey, maybe I could start my own vermiculite enterprise. hehe.|
|Posted by: Fungusmaximus Feb 03 03, 05:52 PM GMT|
|You need a vermiculite mine first|
|Posted by: HapplyDeranged Feb 03 03, 06:12 PM GMT|
|all lowes have verm...the same as in the picture. and if they dont just ask them and they will get it for you.|
|Posted by: ShroomVator Feb 03 03, 06:26 PM GMT|
| Yeah, Sta-Green is what I get - its never wet - probably something wrong...but, being anutritional, I don't think water would necessarily bring about bacteria or germs.
|Posted by: Fungusmaximus Feb 03 03, 07:14 PM GMT|
| really? its never wet?
The whole stack of bags top to bottom were all like this, I squeezed them to check, just for that reason. I dont think its an accident, as the moisture level is perfect, I mean to the decimal. I wish I was courageous enogh to just use it w/out pasturizing. The verm doesnt have any nutritional value but the water it contains may have.