Slow second and third flush

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By Jesseb (Jesseb) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 01:59 am:

Ok guys/gals, I have growen shrooms a few times now and yet have seen this happen. I have ten cakes in a perlite humidified terrariun. The temp is around 75 most all day and my get down to 70 at night. I fan three times a day and hand spray the walls at least two times a day. Now for the problem. Some cakes have flushed twice some only once, but that was over three weeks ago on all of them. The cakes won't start there next flush? I have dunked all of the cakes for 8 hours at least and have them double end cased per PF tek1. I don't know what the hell is going on? The spores that I used where stored in the fridge for three months before I was able to use them, do you think that could be the problem? I am not sure what to do any help/advice would be welcome. Thanks.


By Nan (Nanook) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 03:47 am:

Eight hours is still not much of a dunk all and all. The cakes are healthy though. Two options: Neglect Tek... Forget about them for a few days and cut back on the fanning... Or cold shock. Put them in the fridge for 24 hours, then neglect tek for a few days, then resume fanning and misting.

Then if still nothing...??? Another dunk just to make sure they are hydrated? Or replace them...

Here is where a Light Scratching in the later flushes can stimulate new growth sooner than if the cake is simply picked, rinsed, and returned to the fruiting chamber. The older cakes get a "tougher" more resilient skin, scratching this or cutting it gently shows some promise... But contams increase if you over do it. Fortunately contams are down with the weather shifting, you can get away with stuff at cooler temps you could not have gotten away with 5 months ago

By quote: (Quote) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 02:13 pm:

i think nan touched on the core issue--
you need to stop fanning so much while trying to get pinning. pinning requires a slight build-up of co2, but fanning 3x daily is preventing that.
you should prolly dunk, boost the temp a bit, and only fan once a day until pinning begins anew.

By SYDYSTYK (Addict) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 08:58 pm:

should you wait for air until l you START to see some pins or till you have finished pinning?

By Jesseb (Jesseb) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 11:44 pm:

All right thanks Nanook and Quote. I have scratched one of the cakes but no fresh fuzzy myco has started on it. I will try a little neglect and see where that gets me. On the dunking, I have the double end casing and the verm is very wet. The cakes are not turning blue so I thought that they had enough water. Maybe not. I guess that I will try a dunk for a while also. As always thanks alot. Thanks for takin the time to help some one out that feels like he does not know enough about mycology to be of much help to anyone else. I read the board everyday and learn something new everyday. Maybe one day I will be of some help and use to someone else on the board. Again thanks.


By Nan (Nanook) on Saturday, November 10, 2001 - 06:25 am:

Not a problem. The reason this board is here is to listen to people's problems and try and help resolve them. I was a new grower once too. We all were. I put myself in your shoes, and I'd sure as hell want someplace nice to ask a question and get a nice no-nonsense answer. It's the right thing to do.

I have growing horror stories you would not believe.

By Jesseb (Jesseb) on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 01:35 am:

Well this is the only spot to get that no-nonsense help that we new growers need. I have been with this board now since before Quote's board went down, and have gotten alot of info from it. I just don't have the expericane to help any one out that is not a Total newbie. And I think that is way cool of everyone that has alot of experiacne to help out us that don't know that much about mycology. You don't find this kind of genorocity(sp) everyday.


By Lichen (Lichen) on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 01:53 am:

Well said, indeed

By sean williams (Mynarsean) on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 03:33 am:

damn right

Shroom Glossary

By Kevin Smith (Canshroom) on Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 03:15 am:

I have some cakes that don't seem to be doing anything for a while now. They look healthy and the conditions for growth are right, but they're not cooperating. So I guess I have two questions: 1) How long into the second flush do you have to wait until pins appear? Pins appeared within days after birthing the cakes originally, but then again they were pinning when I birthed them. 2)As the topic asks, what is the purpose of scratching the cakes and when/how should it be done? Thanks.

By Snoopy (Snoopy) on Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 05:40 am:

Pins on the 2nd flush can take a bit longer in my experience. I would say they should start to appear within a week to 10 days after putting them back in the terrarium to fruit.
As the topic suggests I lightly scratch the surface of my cakes right before I dunk them. The purpose of this is to breakup the surface of the cake and stimulate new colonization. How to do it is rather simple just grab a good ol' fork and lightly put groves into your cake right before you dunk them.
Hope that helps.

By Ron (Clubbenguy) on Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 07:10 pm:

Did you double end case the cake??? That verm layer on top always stimulates new growth for me.

Best of luck

By Kevin Smith (Canshroom) on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 01:46 am:

I haven't tried to double-end case them yet, as I just wanted to see if the dunk would be enough. I might try that with the next cakes.

By Djdizzydaniel (Djdizzydaniel) on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 07:26 am:

I just double end cased a few cakes for my second flush with straight wet verm. I have them now sitting in the dark in the fruiting aquarium. Should i be spraying or fanning at all? It has been three days and still no myc is coming out the top of the casings. Should I totally leave them alone while they grow the new myc? How long should it take before the myc starts taking over the casings.

Oh yeah, I also Have tons of white fuzz growing around the sides of the verm layers. This is all the results so far. This is good right?

By Nan (Nanook) on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 07:50 am:

Give them Light. Fan if you are seeing fuzz.

Mist the walls as normal. Give them time, it'll take a few days to start pinning up for the second flush.