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|By Anonymous on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 09:02 pm:|
Read PF on Dosage of mushrooms: Read Gottlieb for Dosage of pure
The standard dose for beginners is 1.5 - 2.0 grams of dried P. Cubensis. Some people won't feel it, other people will be very satisfied at that level. What works best is different for many people... But start here if it's your first time. 15 to 20 grams of fresh shrooms or 1.5 - 2.0 grams of dried shrooms. Then adjust.
>> I had the impression that 25 wet grams were = to 2.5 dry grams. Is this right? Would this be a 10:1 ratio or something? So would 20 fresh grams = 2 dry grams?
Yes. Mushrooms are ~90% water when fresh. Ten grams wet = one gram dry.
|By Stonerteck (Stonerteck) on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 07:07 pm:|
I have now dosed three times with mushies. Once fresh, took 60 grams....no effect. I tried 7 grams dried. no effect. Last night I finally did 9 grams dried and had a pretty good time, but this seems to be an excessive dosage. Oh, all are grow by a friend using the pk teck and are equador cubies. Does this seem to you folks to be WAY too much to have to take to trip?
|By Vitticeps (Vitticeps) on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 08:17 pm:|
Tolerances vary from person to person. I have heard of others (nanook included) who have a hard time getting off with shrooms. I guess I'm lucky, 2g dry is plenty for me.
|By Lichen (Lichen) on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 09:09 pm:|
I concur. If three or four grams dry isn't enough, perhaps you're one of the few who have a hard time getting off on shrooms. Are you a large person? That accounts for a lot. Also, are they first flush shrooms? Second and third flush shrooms are more potent than first flush shrooms.
|By Jesseb (Jesseb) on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 11:05 pm:|
When I took 6 grams I thought that I would die from the massive trip I went on. Sorry to hear that it takes so much to get off. What about Rue? Doesn't it help?
|By Lichen (Lichen) on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 11:33 pm:|
Jeez! I can relate. Six grams is a magadose for me. I like two or less, myself.
|By Jesseb (Jesseb) on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 01:03 am:|
I think that about four is pushing it for me, that is if I want to go outside and do anything. When I took six I laid on my bed for like three hours listened to " A momentary lapse of reason" and got lost in my head! My girlfriend thought that I was dead casue she could get no response from me for a long time. That was fun but I won't be doing that again for awhile!
|By Stonerteck (Stonerteck) on Saturday, August 04, 2001 - 02:18 pm:|
Thanks for all of the input folks. I guess I will just keep on dosing with differing amounts. At least they don't cost me anything at this point! Oh, grinding and putting them in pills is great. I can now take ten pills or such instead of trying to get down spoonfulls of dried mushies. *gag*
|By Mushy (Mushy) on Saturday, August 04, 2001 - 03:55 pm:|
Yeah, I just got a cap-m-quick yesterday, and dosed last night. Different than shrooms by themselves, it seemed to hit me really hard, really fast and dissipate rather quickly as well.
A lot more convenient than whole shrooms though, and I can put them in a vitamin bottle and they won't look suspicious!
|By Mushy (Mushy) on Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 12:07 pm:|
I am going to try spacing out the pills 10 minutes or so next time. I am usually not very queasy with shrooms, but this time it was bad.
I think you are right about the powdered shroom, and it makes complete sense. The smaller particles will be digested much faster than chunks. Problem is, if you eat the same qantity all at once, you get most of the psychactive effects all at once, but most of the toxicity too. My gf had a bad time for a while because her belly felt bad, and I had a few really off moments too.
Anything to decrease the negativity, you know what I mean? No good to be peaking with an upset stomach...
We had not eaten for about 5 hours, either though, so the empty stomach could have had something to do with it. Like I say, I have only had upset stomach once in like 30 mushroom trips, so it came as a bit of a surprise.
It is SO nice to have enough surplus to really experiment, eh?
|By Jesseb (Jesseb) on Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 02:13 pm:|
I tried the spacing out of the pills. It works really well!
Lasts alot longer. I guess that I am lucky cause I have never had a really bad upset stomach. Just the feeling of the shrooms coming on. Maybe I was just made to eat them.
|By Liberty_Caps (Liberty_Caps) on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 05:01 am:|
alright when u guys talk abaout not being able to trip off 7 grams dry, is this only the shrooms u grow, or shrooms u have bought because 7 grams dry seems like a lot. my first batch of mazes should be ready to harvest soon and I dont wanna have to take 7 grams dry to trip I have triped many times before off like 2 grames pretty nice trip and was wondering am I not going to be able to trip off the shrooms my monkey is growing?
ps. that would really suck
|By monkeyod (Monkeyod) on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 01:52 pm:|
Just try a nice base line of 1.5 - 2 g and see were that takes you. I find 2g very nice.
|By Glassman (Glassman) on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 01:55 am:|
Chances are good that you either have a relatively high tolerance or the potency of those shrooms are lower than expected. I had a similar dilemma, except that I thought I had a very low tolerance. 1 gram was skyrocketing me into another plane of existence. when I took 3 grams I couldn't tell a window from an alarm clock and I was certain that death was knocking on my door. To find out for sure I brought a batch to a huge weekend get together at a friend's lake house and handed out 1 gram doses to everyone who came. As it turns out, EVERYONE was blasted into a new reality, and many of them didn't even take the full gram. the open eye visuals were absolutely rampant. Although it would have been nice to find out that I had a low tolerance (what more could you ask for), it still wasn't bad to find out that in actuality I just had the strongest shrooms in town. You can be certain I'm going to try and keep this "bloodline" alive as long as possible.
|By whitey on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 02:23 am:|
are you serious glassman!!??!! i have taken 1 gram of shrooms, and even aborts, a few times before, and all i got was bright colors/cartoonish effect. and i consider myself to have a somewhat tolerance to drugs. my brother is insane though.. he can take 2 hits of weed and be totally stoned..one time i gave him .3 of a gram and he felt the effects like that of my 1 gram experiences! i even checked his eyes to see if he was exaggerating and his pupils were completely dialated!
|By atomichrist on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 06:17 am:|
glad to BE back...wandered into shroomery and someone told me about this place.
Well fellows, you have to understand that everyone's brain chemistry is different...with that in consideration, along with other substances in body, potency of shroom taken in, empty stomach, etc., etc., etc., there's quite a few factors that can influence how well someone gets off on a smallish dose.
Stonerteck, your best bet is to do this: lay of any hallucinogens for a while...acid, shrooms, etc. Probably x, too. Give it a good two weeks, then get some recently dried shrooms. take approx. 3 grams dried (you DO have access to a scale, right?) and scarf em down. Best bet is to lay off heavy foods that day, stick to water and light stuff for a couple hours before hand. If you don't feel anything AT ALL in 45 min - hour, take another 3 grams or so.... if this doesn't do anything at all for you, it's one of the following things :
1) Your friend's shrooms are weak as hell (do they stain blue? )
2) For some reason you don't trip on the indoles that mushrooms produce (How does lsd work for you?)
3) You're really an alien space baby, and your advanced biochemistry has no need for the enlightenment of shroomage (take me with you when you go back home, please! )
|By Sha Taki (Mushymouth) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 05:27 pm:|
I just read your article on the ordeal of mushrooms. Having struggled many times with the physical effects, I have a few questions for you.
1)Would you suggest full or empty stomach?
2)Papaya enzyme pills or is there something else you would suggest?
3)Any other suggestions to make it more tolerable?
Also, if anyone else wants to weigh in on this I would appreciate it. I know this is not a growing topic but my friend is about to harvest the PF strain and he wants me to test them with him. It's been about 5 yrs since I've touched the magic.
|By Bobby (Bobby) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 08:58 pm:|
empty stomach if you want to fill the full effects.
|By quote: (Quote) on Saturday, November 10, 2001 - 01:49 pm:|
i think a not-quite empty stomach is a little better, i like to restrict my diet to just a little fruit and juice for several hours before tripping.
also, i've found the grinding them into powder for use in capsules seems to minmize stomach discomfort.
|By Nuecrew (Nuecrew) on Saturday, November 10, 2001 - 03:04 pm:|
Don't eat for about 2 or 3 hours before. Definitely in a powder or cut into little pieces with a wire cutter or scissors. Don't let your body get too cold.
|By Pneuma9 (Pneuma9) on Saturday, November 10, 2001 - 10:48 pm:|
fix your daily diet to be sure. no more junk food or diet soda. Thats what the spirit told me anyway.
|By property of Friedrich Nietzsche (Economist) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 12:03 am:|
first time i tripped, i bought 1/2 a gram of shrooms from a dutch headshop. they were marketed as "hawaiian", and after eating them on a peanutbutter + jelly sandwich, my mind was sent into geostationary orbit
. I keep hearing that normal dosage for the hawaiian strain of p. cubensis (and all other cubensis) is ca. 1.5g.
Question: were these shrooms not really hawaiian cubensis? or do i just (as i hope) have a very low tolerance?
|By Lichen (Lichen) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 12:16 am:|
there's no way for us to know that, so sorry. You need to grow some and experiment with them
|By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 12:39 pm:|
Have you tripped since then. If so what was your dose? I am able to get a nice trip from very little shrooms 1-3 grams. But .5 grams is very little, much less than I have ever heard a person getting a good trip with cubensises. Are you positive that it was a half gram or did someone just say that it was. Also, I don't think the names of the races of mushrooms are too much the same everywhere. Just like with any lingo, people have different names for them in different places. I met somebody who was an veteran grower and he had names for shrooms that I have never heard of but I think they were just races of cubensis like we have. On PF's museum page, he notes that a lot of shrooms go by different names in different circles. Maybe they were pans. Maybe they were Hawaiians laced with belledona. Who knows?
|By nuecrew (Nue) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 07:17 pm:|
I traded a friend some of this for that and I ended up with 5 grams of the famous P.Azurensens. A "hardheaded" friend of mine(takes him twice of everything)got couch bound for a hour on one and a half grams. His friend thought she was od-ing on 1/2 gram. I hear there has never been a medically documented case of psilocybin overdose. Could have been them P.Az.'s?
|By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 10:09 am:|
I've seen a few people sure they are overdosing on shrooms. It's hard to convince them otherwise. Actually, the worst flip outs I think I have even seen would be the people who flip out the first time weed gets them stoned.
By the way, lots of people don't get any effect off of pot on their first try. What's with that?
|By gnas (Psystep) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 10:42 am:|
Shrooms have a really high lethal dose (LD50), although not as high as LSD, and you would have to eat shrooms like a mad fuck to kill yourself. Of course, it's easy to "overdose" on shrooms, and while not killing you, will definately make you temporarily insane.
|By quote: (Quote) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 12:43 pm:|
potency can vary so much that it is entirely possible to find some that .5 gram kicks ass and others that take 5 grams to get a buzz.
that fact, coupled with variations in tolerances over time, make it very difficult to get a real estimate of 'potency' without lab equipment.
|By quote: (Quote) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 01:49 pm:|
i would never recommend shrooming in public, esp. not on a plane.
the risk and consequences of a panic attack are so severe as to make it unwise, imo.
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