|My first real salvia experience.||13||11/30 11:58am||UnkyHerb|
|Salvia - Curious||24||12/23 05:35pm||Ron|
|By Mushy (Mushy) on Saturday, August 18, 2001 - 03:54 pm:|
Ok gang, don't know how many of you have actually tried this stuff, but if you haven't and are so inclined, or if you have and 'didn't really feel anything' let me tell you about my introduction...
I got some from pj last week, and rolled some into a joint. Smoked the whole thing, and didn't feel much, kinda light headed indescribable.
I tried the extraction tek, and the bit that I smoked was apparently very mild, but I did experience some kind of weird feelings...I will get to that in a minute.
Last night a few friends came over, they wanted me to try this 'new drug' called 'spit'. I had tried some two weeks ago, but very little, and didn't feel much of anything.
Well,they had a double bubbler, pretty nice one. Packed this substance I didn't get a good look at into the bowl which turns out to be 6x salvia extract, and handed me a jet type butane lighter. They said take a really really big hit, and hold it in as long as you can. I can take pretty big hits, and hold them in for a while...
Now this is my warning to you: After talking about this experience with others, I believe everyone is affected a little differently. Also keep in mind that I have done quite a few trips with acid and shrooms, and I am familiar with reality taking a twist or two.
The effect it had on me was the absolute, single greatest twist of reality I have ever, EVER experienced in my entire life. Imagine the Matrix and the Truman show rolled into one, with a bizzare case of having the world attached to your body.
This was so intense, and such a complete detachment from reality that I honestly thought I had all of a sudden realized this one fellow I had never met had been part of my life since birth, and we were a part of some bizzare alien experiment.
Though it was not entirely unpleasant, it wasn't a 'high' like I would seek out after work, or to party with on the weekend. This is definitely a very potent drug that can completely separate you from reality, fortunately, for a short period of time. I don't think I could have handled it for longer than a minute or two.
I did smaller doses, and they really integrate your surroundings, so I would recommend being in a comfortable place. Even sitting on my comfy sofa, I felt there were 'teachers' or some teacher like entity watching over me as I sat there 'attached' to the world by wires. This connection point was not exactly painful, but it was very prominent and uncomfortable. I had enough awareness of reality that I knew I was on a drug, but at the same time, there was this deep seated nagging sense in the back of my head telling me this alternate reality was the true state of being. This passes relatively quickly.
I admit I will probably try it again, but no way on earth will I ever attempt something like this on any other psychedelic. The after effects were profound for me, and I am still at a loss to fully describe the feeling. It really really twisted my entire understanding and comprehension of the world as I knew it. Again, this passes quickly, but it was very disturbing.
Be careful, and if you want a truly truly mind fucking experience, take a big, fat, hit.
|By Hudsonismss (Hudsonismss) on Sunday, August 19, 2001 - 05:12 am:|
i've tried a bowl of normal leaf- not much to speak of. i've also tried tinctured extract elixer...this was a very good expereince. it took me three times to actually have any experience from the stuff, but the third time i had smoked a bowl and decided to give it a go- hard as hell to take (you have to hold this burning alcoholic solution in your mouth for at least 10 mins, no easy task) but i was left in a state of deep, revealing contemplation and was compelled to write for a couple hours streight. won't be a while till i see that stuff again (very $), but it was certainly worth it.
|By liberty_caps on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 03:07 am:|
does anyone got a site address where i can buy this stuff perfurbaly the most pontent stuff
i wanna try this stuff out
|By Ashenms (Ashenms) on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 06:00 am:|
Heres where i get my stuff http://www.sagewisdom.org/salviashop.html
|By monkeyod (Monkeyod) on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 04:10 pm:|
wow those guys are expensive.
You might want to try www.ladysalvia.com or www.peruvian-journey.com
|By whitey on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 02:29 am:|
here's a site quote referred me to a while ago...www.cielo.yage.net
|By Nanook of the North (Nanook) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 03:43 am:|
I have not tried them... Prices look good, selection excellent.
|By insaneone on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 10:37 am:|
has anyone bought salvia from www.ladysalvia.com before?? if so how good was it? they have the best prices. and has anyone bought their "special-s extract"? it looks to be a good deal.
oh and ive bought 30g of Hawaiian Salvia Divinorum from www.cielo.yage.net, with very little to no effect in about 30 people who tried it. Either we didnt smoke enough of it (about 3 bowls each person) or it just wasnt potent enough.
I dont recommend any of you buy the leaf because 1) it tastes like shit
2) it dont work very well
3) it cant be good for your lungs smoking all that nasty leaf.
|By monkeyod (Monkeyod) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 02:34 pm:|
I've got an order coming in from ladysalvia. I've gotten some from www.peruvian-journey.com as well. Salvia doesn't do much for me by itself but man the combo of it and shrooms is great. I get the 10x extract btw, and I hate to smoke and it's not to bad.
|By Mushy (Mushy) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 07:58 pm:|
Plain leaf won't do much for you, I smoked a big fat joint of it, and only got a bit lightheaded. Extract is the way to go, but for god's sake, be careful! I am still reeling from the insane alternate reality I experienced the few times I tried it. Even at mild doses, it gives you a new reality...things are different, and it is as if that is how things have been forever, not like all of a sudden...very strange sensation. And yes, I tried on the tail end of a shroom trip and it was ten-fold more insane...I was actually contemplating the fact that I would not return from the hallucination...
I got mine at www.peruvian-journey.com, and the denatured alcohol extract is the easiest method. It really is easy, and packs a punch.
Oh yeah, one more thing...seems to work better if you use a butane torch type lighter, and keep the flame on the material at all times, don't smoke it like pot. You realy have to cook the extract to get the full effect. Trial and experience has proven this to me.
|By Wicc (Wicc) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 08:06 pm:|
Ive ordered the 10x before and it took me several times, but once I had a breakthrough it was an unbeleivable time...
I got a couple of cuttlings from a local nursery (could not beleive they had it, don't think they realized what they did have...) Well after about 6 months of growing I decided that there were enough leaves that taking 10 wouldnt hurt... fresh leaves are decidedly different (and nastier... tastes horrible), BUT I am now convinced that fresh leaves are the way to go
|By Wicc (Wicc) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 08:10 pm:|
oh, dont smoke the fresh leaves... do the sublingual thing...
Just wanted make sure I didnt cause anyone to try smoking some fresh ones
|By monkeyod (Monkeyod) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 08:23 pm:|
I guess I'll have to get one of those butane torch lighters. I've smoke 10x about 4 times now...but no other realities so far. Once I did get a feeling like someone had put a tight hat on my head after a smoke. I just get a little dizzy/light headed thats all. But I smoke a few small bowls of the 10x before I shroom...really pushes it up a level. Last time I went with a friend to a bar (his idea) after some salvia and shrooms...he started to freak a little which bummed me out due to having to keep him stable. I was having some fun with some nice open eyed strangeness. We left soon after and walked and sat in a park the rest of the night...much nicer. BTW the 'park' was the state capital grounds...hee,hee. Very nice with benches and lights in the trees and very well kept lawns...nice breeze. I'll be going back there.
|By Mushy (Mushy) on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 12:43 pm:|
Monkey, the tight hat is the type of thing I get with low voltage doses. Not quite a tight hat, but very odd sensations...like being wired to the couch...short lived, and like you say, you did not so much feel a sensation of tightness, but I expect you had a very real sensation of specifically a tight hat...it affects everyone differently, and I have had much different experiences every time.
Definitely try the butane lighter and burn the salvia the whole time you smoke, rather than light and pull like weed (not that you smoke any of that), light and hold the flame on the salvia.
Trust me, when you get a good hit, you will know it. You won't have any question at all. I went through the mild dose thing, and to be honest, it is much more negative when you only get those weird sensations that are almost painful (tight hat, wired to the couch). When you really go over the top, you really go over the top...
And one more bit of advice...nasty as it may sound, hold that hit as absolutely long as you can. The best hit I have had yet I took a very small hit, then took a big hit immediately afterwards without letting the first hit get a chance to take effect. I was blown away.
|By monkeyod (Monkeyod) on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 02:27 pm:|
I'll get a torch and try it out. I had been holding the lighter on it while smoking, but I guess it's not as hot as the torch. I'll let you know what happens...if I survive.
|By Mushy (Mushy) on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 04:24 pm:|
hehe, well, I am not trying to imply that it is not possible to endure what happens. I was really just trying to warn people of the powerful effects it has.
Since my first experience, I have had better 'trips' than those first uncomfortable situations. The power of some of my last trips has left me questioning my sense of reality for some time afterward.
It is quite interesting to experience such a complete loss of reality, but the inexperienced tripper may find it overwhelming. I sincerely hope that others try this amazing substance and get as much out of the experience as I did.
|By Liberty_Caps (Liberty_Caps) on Saturday, September 22, 2001 - 11:01 pm:|
dude I smoked a bowl in one hit!!!!.13 10x extract was passed out tripping balls woke up standing by my door!!! but anyway if u got as fked up as I did would u do it again?????????? I want to but I dont know if I could die,, or loose my mind forever??????? I dont want to go retarded or become fish eyed for the rest of my life???????? any body know???
ps. rember I always = FOAF
|By monkeyod (Monkeyod) on Sunday, September 23, 2001 - 12:02 am:|
Slow down there son...don't want to see you winning the gold at next years special Olympics. And remember always work your way up in dosage and have a trip buddy and wear clean underwear.
|By Liberty_Caps (Liberty_Caps) on Sunday, September 23, 2001 - 03:51 am:|
well do u think that could happen to me????? has anyone herd of that stuff happing to people where they dont come out of it or they cant see right ever again?!?!?!?!!?not being able to see would suck I would have to kill myself, and i don't want to do that or I might meet this guy again
|By monkeyod (Monkeyod) on Sunday, September 23, 2001 - 06:25 am:|
Not sure if you could go off the deep end forever from Salvia. Do some research via www.erowid.org and the like. If you afraid that means you should back off (from at least Salvia) for awhile. Remember there's no rush...take your time and be safe.
|By Pneuma9 (Pneuma9) on Sunday, September 23, 2001 - 07:58 am:|
i think he mentioned the 'fisheye' thing from my dex post, and yes, i do believe it is possible from dxm. no medi evidence tho:-)
|By Liberty_Caps (Liberty_Caps) on Sunday, September 23, 2001 - 07:39 pm:|
ok thanx monkey! but I have already been to erowid
vaults I read everything on it I think, it diden't say that stuff could happen. they say no one has ever died frome it but I don't know if bad stuff could happen frome it because that night when I smoked the whole bowl in one hit u may have NO IDEA how fked I got way stronger then acid, it don't last as long, maby 15 min of being nocked out tripping balls in a diffrent world but I'll keep doing resherch and I'll try to lay off for a week or so if I find any bad dangers I'll post them.
and pneuma9, yes I think I did get the fish eyed thing frome your post, and what is fish eyed anyway????
dosen't sound good
|By monkeyod (Monkeyod) on Sunday, September 23, 2001 - 08:49 pm:|
Well, keep reading... here is a messageboard about Salvia, maybe they'll have more info for you. http://communities.msn.com/LadySalvia/_whatsnew.msnw
BTW Fisheye refers to a type of camera lens that gives this type of picture
|By Pneuma9 (Pneuma9) on Sunday, September 23, 2001 - 11:09 pm:|
holy crap! Id totally hate to be fisheyed and look at those people shoving shit in my face.
What you dont know is, they're all chanting "eat more coricidin"
|By Mushy (Mushy) on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 12:36 pm:|
Liberty...now you know why I won't do this stuff often. It is very....well....interesting, to say the least. I am at a loss to fully explain or describe my experiences, because even though they last only a few minutes, my understanding of the 'alternate' reality goes beyond a single paragraph description. It would quite literally take days to explain fully what I instantly 'understand'.
I had a moment one of the last times I did this where I could feel myself getting comfortable with the possibility of never coming back. Of course I did come back, and I don't believe it is the type of drug that could permanently put you in fisheye mode, but it always takes me a few days to 'recover' from one of these experiences.
Personally, when I don't take a huge hit and go off the deep end, the experience is usually very negative and uncomfortable. Only when I am truly off my rocker do I come back from it with the amazement of having visited an entirely alien world.
|By ananda rasa (Ananda) on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 10:20 pm:|
My experience with salvia has been week. I've only used the tincture though- but I put a couple full droppers of that juice under my tounge strait (Ouch) Where do you think I could find some very good leaves on the internet? Do they ever sell freshies?
|By monkeyod (Monkeyod) on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 01:23 am:|
Never seen fresh leaves for sale but I have seen cutting for sale that you can grow from. I'd go for one of the extracts (5x or 10x) so you don't have to smoke a bunch of leaves. Good Luck.