Syrian Rue Increasing Mushroom Potency

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By Nan (Nanook) on Tuesday, October 23, 2001 - 04:49 pm: The Nook

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
Subject: P.harmala+P.cubensis
Date: 1 Apr 94 16:13:11 GMT

I just saw this article in an old issue of the Entheogen Review and
thought some would find it interesting...

Combing P. harmala with P. Cubensis

You asked me to tell you when I knew the results of my proposed
experiments with P. harmala and P. cubensis. I have since found that one
gram of harmala extract more than doubled the effects of two grams of
cubensis. That is, subjectively, the experience was at least as strong
as previous five gram doses - a true example of "less is more!" The
experience was qualitively different also - colors seemed not quite as
vived, though more patterns were pronounced; I was physically almost
unable to move for two or three hours (making shamanistic work all but
impossible), and the trip lasted at least two hours longer than expected,
with a long slow decline after the peak. Be careful, though - I
unthinkingly drank a cup of coffee the next day and quickly developed a
splitting headache. This was possibly the effect of MAO inhibition,
since I practically never get headaches of any kind. Best luck with The
Entheogen Review.
-J.G. CA

By Nan (Nanook) on Tuesday, October 23, 2001 - 04:50 pm: The Nook

O.K., for all the poor souls who had to ingest those horrible
seeds, here is an extraction than I think anyone on this newsgroup can
do in their kitchen without blowing themselves up.

From "The Alkaloids" Vol. II by Manske (p393). Printed without


"The crushed seeds of Peganum Harmala are covered with three times
their weight of water containing 30 g of acetic acid per liter of
water [white vinegar is about 50g / l or 5 %]. The seeds swell as they
absorb the liquid and form a thick dough which is pressed after 2-3
days. The pressed seeds are once more treated as above with twice
their weight of dilute acetic acid and, after maceration, the liquid is
again pressed out. To the combined liquors, sodium chloride [that's
table salt, man] (100g. / liter of liquid) is added to transform the
acetates of harmine and harmaline into the hydrochlorides which are
insoluble in cold sodium chloride solutions and are precipitated
during cooling. The supernatant liquid is siphoned off, the
crystalline residue filtered with suction and redissolved in hot
water. Addition of sodium chloride to the filtered solution causes the
precipitation of the hydrochlorides as a crystalline mush and this
process is repeated until the hydrochlorides have acquired a yellow
color (for the purposes of this newsgroup, once is enough). The final
product is then recovered by filtration."

The paper then goes on to describe the separation of harmine from
harmaline, but this procedure is slightly more complicated and not
necessary for most purposes.

Pierre St Hilaire
MIT Media Lab

P.S. While this procedure is legal in the U.S. (where harmine and
harmaline are currently unscheduled), it is illegal in Canada where
harmine and harmaline are Schedule I.

These are extremely potent alkaloids. Misuse of them can result in
serious, even fatal, consequences. Read the FAQ about MAO inhibitors.

By Nan (Nanook) on Tuesday, October 23, 2001 - 04:51 pm: The Nook

In case anyone still has any doubts over the effectiveness of Syrian Rue when combined with mushies, you may put them to rest (at least I have).

Had a great opportunity to trip last night with my girlfriend. Problem was I only had 3.0g dry and 7.0g wet giving me a grand calculated total dosage per person of merely 1.85g Hardly what I would have considered a good amount (I average 3g+). After a little research and consultation with "Quo", I went ahead and dosed 1.0g of Syrian Rue extract (very clean) which I enclosed in a couple of gel caps.

Now maybe it was the shrooms (gotta clone these then) or the Rue, or the fact that I hadnt tripped in quite some time, but we TOTALLY lost it. Im talking beyond open eye visuals, beyond anything else I have experienced in my numerous other times. Words really cant explain it except for a complete detachment from reality. With no way of distinguishing the real, from the trip (eyes wide open).

Headfirst dive into the brainblender. My girlfriend swears she met the spirit of Nostradamus and conversed with him at length.

Good stuff...Thanks for the tip Quo!


By Keith Lawhon (Calvinklaw) on Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 12:03 am: The Nook

I have heard that if you mix Syrian Rue and shrooms that the syrian rue will intensify the effect of the mushrooms. I know that syrian rue is an MAO Inhibitor so if you take to much it could be dangerous. I was wondering if anyone has ever tried mixing the two and if so in what amounts and were there any negative side effects?

By Nan (Nanook) on Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 08:38 am: The Nook

3-4 grams of ground rue seed 20-30 minutes prior to ingesting shrooms has been very helpful to me (I do not get off on shrooms without an enormous dose). Go to the Archives->Botanicals->Peganum harmala

Be sure to read the food warnings for this MAO inhibitor.

By monkeyod (Monkeyod) on Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 04:44 pm: The Nook

Must be all that San Pedros your taking Nan...

I did some rue(3g) with the intention of doing some shrooms, but something came up and I couldn't do the shrooms. But I did get an overall relaxed feeling just from the rue. Haven't tried again due to the restrictions on what you can eat before hand (and after). Hard to give up the coffee for days at a time. Be safe and send a report if you do some.

By Ozone (Ozone) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 10:59 pm: The Nook

I have some from about 5 years ago ordered from basement shaman. I had it stored in a apothecery jay. Spelling may not be right.

I grinded this stuff up and took 1 gram after dosing om a 3'rd night of shrooming (I do it often and works just fine). I was wondering if the syrian rue would be stale or no good after 5 years storage.

I just did it, I will report to this thread the results.

Thanks and any help appreciated.


By Patrick (Valence) on Saturday, November 10, 2001 - 04:57 am: The Nook

are you saying that your ingesting shrooms after doing it three nights in a row? Notice any decrease of potency? just wondering?

By Ozone (Ozone) on Saturday, November 10, 2001 - 02:51 pm: The Nook

I did not like

I got panicky due to high blood pressure or something. My heart was a racin. Guess my diet was not suited for the maoi

I have done it many a time. I notice a slight decrease but I mainly enjoy the uplift from a small dose. I do not dose heavey at all.

By monkeyod (Monkeyod) on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 10:26 pm: The Nook

You need to cut out many types of food from your diet at least a day or so before you use the rue. Good thing you didn't stroke out. Be careful with this seed.