|By Brad (Raze) on Sunday, October 14, 2001 - 09:33 pm:|
Just wondering, are police dogs trained to detect shrooms? They come to my school all the time and bust people for pot (my town is big on it... like real big) and personally I never bring drugs to school, but I was just wondering if these dogs are trained for pot only, or what? I'm assuming they've been thru the standard training (by Canada's standards)
|By Nan (Nanook) on Monday, October 15, 2001 - 01:34 am:|
Can be trained, rarely are.
|By Brad (Raze) on Saturday, December 15, 2001 - 04:20 am:|
You could always do the swallowing of the ballon trick... but the recovery on that is a little gross.
As far as I know, and I'm quite sure on this, police dogs wont detect mushrooms (well, arent trained to). So take a jar of peanut butter, stick your pills in a balloon, and cram it itno the middle of the peanut butter, then seal her up tight. you can even glue back on the seal for extra security
|By Some Body (Texasshroomer) on Saturday, December 15, 2001 - 04:25 am:|
I have one word for you buddy...
|By Patrick (Valence) on Saturday, December 15, 2001 - 05:09 am:|
Put then in an herbal vitamin bottle ( pills look very similar) and pack them in there luggage. Not carry on. They will get there fine. Unless his luggage is lost.
|By quote: (Quote) on Saturday, December 15, 2001 - 03:08 pm:|
who ever said police dogs can't detect shrooms is dead-wrong.
i'd mail them, it's by far the safest method, and has the least consequences if anything should go wrong.
|By quote: (Quote) on Saturday, December 15, 2001 - 09:09 pm:|
because the drugs won't be on you when/if they are discovered.
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 06:05 am:|
The dogs can certainly smell them, but they are not trained to alert on them. My buddy was shitting bricks one day when his luggage, along with everyone else's was thoroughly sniffed (he actually watched the dogs as they climbed on top of everything and went right on over his bags!) for drugs and ordinance. The dogs alerted to two other bags. One belonged to an old lady who had some valium (which is weird because dogs usually aren't trained for benzodiazapines, either) and the other was some guy who apparently did have something, but it was gone when they opened the bag. They both got off scott-free. These pigs did personal searches and everything! My buddy and the only african-american on the bus were the only two random carry-on searches as well as pat downs. Figures... At any rate, after all the bricks were shit and the bus was underway, My buddy and the other guy got to talkin about how the Man was kicking them down for being dressed all in black and being black respectively, and discussed other minutia. My buddy had a quarter sack in his coat as well as a pound of dried goods in his bag, packed in dry ice. The dogs didn't give the bag a second glance, and my buddy was adept enough in the ways of psychological diversion that his coat never even got touched.
The point is, shrooms smell, but they are apparently pretty low on the radar, as I have pored over volumes of inventories for companies that cater to the forensic crowd and never once saw "faux psilocin scent", "mushroom scent", "cow shit perfume", etc. in any of these lists. They make stuff that smells identical to the real thing (marijuana and THC, Heroin, PCP, Cocaine, Amphetamines, Barbiturates, etc.) for soaking the dogs' training towels. No shrooms. Either they can't make the scent (unlikely, because they sell the real chemicals for stuff they want to train with that cannot be emulated, and they will specifically mention "for dog training" in the description), or they just don't want to because there's no market for it. This is almost a first-hand experience, folks. I would say if you're still really paranoid, you shouldn't be carrying. Dogs can smell fear...
|By quote: (Quote) on Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 01:34 pm:|
if you take the time to do a little searching, you'll find that some dogs are trained to alert on shrooms, there is a rather famous shroom bust that took place in st. louis where postal authorities used dogs from the sherriff's office to bust a dude mailing shrooms.
|By ripple in the mind (Ripple) on Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 02:52 pm:|
My suggestion would be to get yourself a big bag of trail mix, and put the shroomies into it. Dust the outside of the bag with cayenne pepper, and don't put it into your carry-on. Remember the x-ray machines at the airport? Just to be safe, you want the visual of the mushies to blend in. Trail mix is perfect (may even give the shrooms a nice flavor!). The sniffy dogs hate cayenne pepper. One sniff, and they're having a serious burn! It will deter them from sniffing around more, at any rate.
|By quote: (Quote) on Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 02:56 pm:|
don't put the pepper on the bag with the dope, as that will still draw attention.
put the pepper on all your luggage, so no matter which bag it sniffs 1st, it's still fubared.
|By ion ewe (Ion) on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 05:14 am:|
What else had the guy been handling? Not to discount you, but did they actually say the dogs were trained for shrooms? I never heard the story, so I don't know... Thing is, if you handle anything or your shipping container is exposed to smoke or other particles of detectable alerting materials, yer screwed. My buddy is very careful, and the dog's he met were apparently trained in most everything, seeing as how they alerted on valium... It could have been the fact that they were surrounded in CO2 from the dry ice. I don't know, since there were so many variables...
But what I said is true-- if you are still too paranoid, don't carry.
P.S. Yes, I'm still away. I just have a bit of free time to kill.
|By Nugdumper (Nugdumper) on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 03:57 pm:|
Quote, I'm not too far from St. Louis, and I've heard the story you mentioned in various forms. I think it has been urban legandized(not a word) to a certain extent, after all, if the police are already sniffing around your place, you've got probs to begin with. As far as the plane thing, I say go with the gelcaps in a tylenol bottle or some shit, pack it with your toothbrush and razor and everything, it will look natural.
|By property of Friedrich Nietzsche (Economist) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 02:16 am:|
how risky does the posting population think checking a bag onto a flight with a couple PF jars inside is? Would airline personnel recognize them?
thanks for your thoughts
|By property of Friedrich Nietzsche (Economist) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 02:17 am:|
no actual shrooms or other dangerous items would be involved, of course.
|By Cragith Kilbonith (Kilborn) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 02:35 am:|
They would think its a Bomb or Anthrax. tell your foaf to watch out.
|By quote: (Quote) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 02:49 am:|
i doubt they would be inclined to bother with it if it doesn't appear dangerous.
but one had better be prepared with a good explanation as to what they were,
such as edible mushroom cultures.
|By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 02:57 am:|
Bad Bad Bad idea. Worst idea I've heard all day. The airlines are pretty jumpy right now. Think of what those jars will look like going through there x-rays. Which I think it is safe to assume they are x-raying even the non-carry on stuff right now. If they have any suspicion, which they will, they will find out what they are. They also do not take it lightly when they find someone who has drug stuff. Getting caught with drugs is bad. Getting caught producing is really bad. Not worth it, even if it means tossing your jars. I might be wrong but you don't want to find out.
|By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 03:15 am:|
Oh, I forgot; remember about a year or so ago, the writer or producer of that show The West Wing got busted at the airport with (of all things) mushrooms. I don't know how they found them but, there is a possibility it was dogs. Also, I've heard from a few people that they have some device they stick on some bags that can detect drugs, or whatever, better than dogs. There has been a lot of wondering if dogs can actually smell shrooms/mycellium. Or if they bother to train them to do so if they can. I would like to know the answer to that question but I don't want you to be the one to find out.
|By Stewie (Stew) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 03:20 am:|
that producer also had paraphanalia with marijuana and cocaine residue. that may have been why dogs could have been involved.
|By property of Friedrich Nietzsche (Economist) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 04:07 am:|
my first instinct was that it would be pretty risky, but then I began to wonder if they saw a whole bunch of jars on an xray with white junk in them what they would think.
Quote, if some authority saw a jar, would it really work if you said they were (for example) oyster mushroom cultures? or would that arouse suspiscion further?
rest assured, no unnamed individual in my circle of acquaintances will be doing anything untoward in the near future...
|By quote: (Quote) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 04:43 am:|
i don't see how anyone could tell otherwise, other than a lab test, which they aren't going to do at the airport. you can't just tell by looking what species the mycellia is.
even then, if there are no pins, they most likely won't be able to detect any psilocin/psilocybin.
but i can't guarantee your safety,
i just feel that since there's no obvious threat,
no obvious drugs, then you prolly won't be messed with.
|By Patrick (Valence) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 04:48 am:|
The xrays will show only a jar with stuff in it, it won't show the white. They will make you open it to make sure that it isn't an explosive of some type. Then, after you explain to them what it might be and get away with it, they will get contaimed. So all your efforts will be wasted. But you could probably get away with it if you put it in your luggage.
|By Nan (Nanook) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 08:16 am:|
Call the airline in advance and tell them you will be transporting non-hazardous biological lab cultures and ask their advice. While you are on the phone tell them you are on a restricted diet and get lobster salad for your in-flight snack (I have done this).
If they know you are coming with viable oyster cultures they will do everything possible to ensure your cultures arrive healthy and contam free. Try to sneak em on-board at your own risk.
I travel with guns on occasion. I always make the carrier aware when I book, they always give me procedures, I always follow them... Never had a problem... Some items they will insist be checked and stored in cargo (guns for sure, shrooms cultures???).
Call and ask them.
|By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 09:47 pm:|
You all are probably right but I would not feel safe screwing around with the airlines at this point. I would probably get an ulcer waiting to find out if I have made it or not.