Favorite Races to Grow and why??

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By spike craddock (Spike) on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 04:38 pm:

i'm new to post to this board, but have stopped in a few times to see whats up in the world of fungus's. Just wondering, what is everyones favorite race to grow, and why? i've been doing this for about a year and a half, and have tried the classic PF, and the Treasure Coast from PF. I am considering getting some hawaiin spores and trying that, but so far the classic PF is my favorite, cause the TC took too long to fruit


By saluras (Saluras) on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 08:16 pm:

I've tried PF, B+ and EQ. I like B+ the most so far, they fruit almost as fast as PF + they are much BIGGER!

I like PF but picking off the abhorts is irritating at times.

The EQ i had never seemed to fruit much, for whatever reason.

- 2 cents

By Saney (Saney) on Thursday, September 20, 2001 - 12:56 pm:

My favorite is hawaiian. Beautiful shroom.

By Mr. Tambourine Man (Tambourine_Man) on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 07:49 pm:

Which strain would you guys say is the champion on a normal PF-style cake (double-end cased or not) as far as yield?

By Liberty_Caps (Liberty_Caps) on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 10:33 pm:

id say hawwian, PF's and maztecks

By Mr. Tambourine Man (Tambourine_Man) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 09:54 pm:

Anybody else have an opinion on this? What are the individual characteristics of the three mentioned above? I know PF tends to pin like crazy and then abort like crazy. What about the other two? Any distinguishing characteristics?

By Cragith Kilbonith (Kilborn) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 10:02 pm:

Hawaiians. They have a lot of weight and they pin and fruit like a ..... champ :) They are very beautiful to watch grow. Hawaiians have few aborts +.

PFC's. They grow big after the veil breaks, they love there water. I don't get many aborts, maybe 2 more than Hawaiians. They seem to colonize the quickest/pin. They are my 2nd fav to grow.

I havnt tried growing MAZ's.

By plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 11:09 pm:

i am also growing very fond of the hawaiians... i've gotten some large fruits from them... my last flush.. my smallest mushie was about 4 1/2-5 inches tall and my largest was about7 inches tall... haven't tasted them yet though... hope they are as potent as the PFC's

By quote: (Quote) on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 11:24 pm:

if you can get your hands on it,
the south american strain offered by sporechicks is a champ on cakes, lots of large fruitbodies, matures quickly, pins heavily invitro.
one of my all time favs.

By Some Body (Texasshroomer) on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 03:47 am:

Hello all,

I recently received 2 syringes from PF. 1 PF race and the other is hawaiian race.

Heres the issue:

On Friday morning, I innoculated 10 jars with PF, and 10 jars with hawaiian strain. All 10 PF strain jars are showing beautiful germination under all 4 innoculation holes with absolutely no contamination. In contrast, all the hawaiian jars show absolutely no sign of germination.

Do different strains germinate at different rates?

I hope so because the only other explanation I can think of is that the hawaiian syringe was bunk. I really hope not because mixing individual substrate jars is a time consuming pain in the arse.

What do you guys think?

By Brettiejams (Brettiejams) on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 03:54 am:

My P.F's go faster than my hawaiians too.... that's normal.

By Hatcher (Hatcher) on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 04:24 am:

Patince isn't always a virtue-in our hobby, it's a necessity. I inoculated a dozen jars w/ a home-made Equidor syringe on the 19th, they didn't show until two days ago. Usually it's more like within 72hrs., had about gave up on 'em. Seems like letting them set on a cold floor for two days held them up for five. So, keep 'em warm from the git-go! Bought a styrofoam cooler today, finally gonna build an incubator. Had been satisfied w/room-temp colonization up til now...PF may not always be the most cordial guy, but his syringes are top-shelf. If your PF's are OK, the Hawaiians will be too.

By Some Body (Texasshroomer) on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 04:55 am:


Thanks for eliminating my worst fear. I just figured since they were under the exact same conditions that I should see similar results, unless the strains differ in germination, which apparently they do.

I'll keep everyone posted on the progress and record exactly what the difference in speed is just for the sake of learning since they were innoculated practically simaltaneously. Then hopefully I'll have pics of the fruits of my labor.

your input is always appreciated,


By Fanaticus (Fanaticus) on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 01:15 pm:

PF's "Hawaiians" definitely germinate slower
than the PF's by as much as a few days. But they might have started, but you can't see it without a magnifier.

In fact, I think the Hawaiians are the slowest germinating race I have ever tried, and not only that, they are below average in viability.

But what is really weird, is that the Hawaiians are about the most awesome cubie cultivar there is when they grow.

I have been seeing this for several years, and it never fails to do this. (slow germination for the Hawaiians).


By quote: (Quote) on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 02:00 pm:

it pays to hatch those spores first by squirting about .25 cc into some sugared water to grow out the mycellia for use as inoculant. it's not only faster, with growth visible in 2-3 days, but it tremendously multiplies the number of jars a single syringe can start, from around 10 'as is ' to a few hundred easily.

By Some Body (Texasshroomer) on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 05:41 pm:


I've never tried using sugar water, but I keep hearing about it. I'll check out the archives and see if I can find the directions layed out.


My hawaiian jars are now showing the first signs of germination to the naked eye. The PF race jars had similar germination a good 1 1/2 days earlier than the hawaiians. Interesting!

I feel much better now.


By Fanaticus (Fanaticus) on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 11:38 pm:

THe concept that the Hawaiians are "slower" than the PF is really true. One just has to do a lot of cultivation, and it will become apparant.

The Hawaiians will take off real nice and catch up to the PF's. But the PF's always start fruiting faster than the Hawaiians with all being equal.


By Some Body (Texasshroomer) on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 04:35 pm:

One more thing to add.

I've been watching my jars for about a week and not only do the Hawaiians germinate slower, but the hawaiian jars' mycelium seems to be a significantly less brilliant a shade of white than the PF race.

All an all both races are colonizing nicely but I never knew that such differences could be noted during colonization.



By plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420) on Saturday, February 02, 2002 - 01:30 am:

the ha's seem to start out a little light... but then, i think you will see that they whiten up quite nicely

By Merlin (Merlin) on Saturday, February 02, 2002 - 02:57 am:

You and I are at exactly the same phase, TS. Your description fits precisely with my observation.

By nuecrew (Nue) on Sunday, February 03, 2002 - 09:07 pm:

The Hawaiians seem to have a lower potency than the PF classics. The Hawaiians do have a sweeter taste for munching on when your hungry.

By Some Body (Texasshroomer) on Sunday, February 03, 2002 - 10:11 pm:


When I'm hungry I reach for a bag a fresh Hawaiins. The fresh sweet taste fills me right up and I'm ready to take on the world.

Ok enough joking...

It's been 12 days since innoculation and some my jars are about 75% colonized. If I look at the different strains closely, I notice that the PF's have much more strandy whispy little reaching arms of mycelium. And the hawaiians are have less pronounced whisps of mycelium but they have caught up to the PF's as far as the % of the jar that is colonized.

Also, the jars are in my closet on a shelf and I leave the doors open so that the overhead light shines at an angle on the jars. Do you think this is sufficient to initiate pinning? And also, I guess I should rotate them every other day or so to ensure that the light hits all sides of the jars.

And one more question. I am going to double end case the PF cakes. But for the Hawaiians I'm going to crumble and case them Hongus style. Do you think that it is necessary to initiate pinning if you are just going to crumble the cakes anyway?


By plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420) on Monday, February 04, 2002 - 01:10 am:

i don't think it is necessary to initiate pinning on jars you are gonna crumble anyways

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