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|By Cabal (Cabal) on Friday, September 07, 2001 - 04:30 pm:|
I just picked some shrooms today and put them in a brown paper bag in the refridgerator. Does anyone know how long they will last this way and if they lose potency???
|By Lichen (Lichen) on Friday, September 07, 2001 - 06:02 pm:|
they'll be fine for a week, and they won't lose anywhere nearly what they do when you dry them. Just watch out for them turning black, because that signifies they're starting to go south.
|By Ink drop (Headrastaman) on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 01:03 am:|
I heard that it is bad to eat the shrooms fresh... is this true, I've only ever eaten them dried... and i was thinking of eating them fresh, but my friend says u can't.... I think he's way wrong... whats the truth
|By Lichen (Lichen) on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 01:35 am:|
it's preference. Some people can't stand the taste of fresh shrooms. Psilocyn seems to evaporate, leaving psilocybin only in dry shrooms. Eating them fresh in a smoothie or whole or however gives you a stronger dose because psilocyn is more quickly assimilated by the body. However, from bio-assays we have seen that most cubensis mushrooms don't have a hell of a lot of psilocyn, anyway. Be that as it may, fresh shrooms are most certainly better than dried shrooms. They hit your system faster and strike your brain harder. They are not bad for you, or poisonous in any way. Perfectly safe, and better than dried.
|By XUnkyHerbX (Notapplicable) on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 06:24 am:|
I like fresh much better.. I don't seem to get the waves of head rushes after eating dry shrooms like I do when the fresh ones start kicking in.
Best trip I ever had, i took 2 grams of fresh cubbies and stuck them in the blender with a handfull of grapes... drank it and 20 minutes later things were breathing, and had great CEV's.
The dry/ground cap-m-quicks dont seem to work for me.. At least not the normal 2 grams.. didn't feel a damn thing.. maybe it was because I smoked weed.. i didn't when i had a great trip.. hmm.. but i have tripped with weed before.. went to cartoon land.. im mumbling, sorry.
|By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 08:25 am:|
Herb, you mean 20 grams of fresh shrooms, not 2 grams, right? 2 grams fresh is a very small dose.
|By Matt Dalton (Org_Anic25) on Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 08:08 am:|
I know from my chemistry knowledge and human metabolism studies that psilocybin is the phosphorous containing analouge of psilocin, a (phosphorous free molecule), and that digestive enzymes in the stomache break down the phosphorous radical of psilocybin rendering it psilocin which is then the main active constituent in the end. Typically there is much more psilocybin than psilocin in the cubensis, but all psilocybin coverts to psilocin anyway. What I've heard is that the active non- phosphorous psilocin undergoes a molecular breakdown during the drying process only leaving stable psilocybin to change to psilocin in the stomache. So I'm assuming they are more potent fresh because of the available psilocin that is till in them. Though I've yet to try myself-- but will soon!
|By serialkiller1 (Serialkiller1) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 05:34 am:|
this week me and four friends ate 45 grams of fresh cubies blended in with orange juice. oh my god what a difference it makes. it seemed like the juice intensified the trip. i have eaten 8 gr. of dries shrooms and nothing but a body buzz. i will never eat dried mushrooms again!!
|By Tripster (Tripster) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 07:37 pm:|
Just to input my own two cents, fresh shrooms are the way to go. Although I really don't like the taste or texture of them, some how it just doesn't compare. All summer I had fresh, and then when I started to grow my own I only ate them after they were dried. I just love it when those first waves start to hit you, just don't get that with dried... at least that is my experience so far.
|By Snoopy (Snoopy) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 10:19 pm:|
So how many grams must one eat of fresh shrooms to reach the effect of 2g's dried shrooms...... All I have ever had was dry.. don't want to guess and eat like 30grams wet and trip harder than I really want.... yah know?
|By quote: (Quote) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 10:25 pm:|
1 dry gram = 10 wet grams,
so it'd take 20 fresh to roughly equal 2 dry.
|By Matt Dalton (Org_Anic25) on Tuesday, November 27, 2001 - 05:07 pm:|
Yea, my cubies will be done soon. It's the first time I've grown from substrate myself. Everything has gone perfect though. My classes in mycology really payed off! I cant wait till the 2nd and third flushes, I have a feeling there going to be real nice.(P-O-T-E-N-T) Emulsifying them in a blender with orange juice sounds exelent to expand their surface area, + vitamin C slows oxidation of psilocin in human metabolism maximizing your experience.
|By jared (Jared112) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 06:10 pm:|
I just ate a couple of my first primordia to come up out of my cakes just to see what the fresh 'shrooms are going to taste like. It was a way stronger taste than dried ones. If you don't like the taste of 'shrooms then wet ones will make you puke. I like them though, so its all good either way with me.
|By Mjshroomer (Mjshroomer) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 09:08 pm:|
Since I was the first person to publish dosages for shrooms (See Magic Mushrooms of the Pacific Northwest, 1976, still in print with color) and my book at erowid.org (Safe-Pik Mushroom Identification Guide, 80 all colored photos with descriptions and dosages, 1981-1982), I would like to bring up a few facts.
Fresh mushrooms are the most potent. And fresh shroom can be stored in a paper bag in a vegetable drawer in the icebox or in the door side of the icebox for from 7 to 10 days or more.
For long termed storage, always dry your shrooms. Be sure to read my chapter on drying and preserving in my ultimate guide to shrooms at:
Always remember to keep them out of light and/or heat and do not freeze your shrooms and do not store them in honey (see Ott 1996, pharmacotheoin about honey shrooms).
Each specie sof psilocybian mushrooms requires different amounts of weights due to different potencies between different species.
For instance: Fresh P. cubensis require a weight of approx. 30 to forty grams fresh or one fresh ounce or more per dosage. This can be from one large mushroom or as many as 25-50 small mushrooms equaling a total of one fresh ounce or more. Can you now see the variation of sdosage with in this species.
Dried P. cubensis from a pasture require from 3-5 grams dried and when grown in vitro(indoors) only 1-3 grams dried. Of course this can also vary from strain to strain or from race to race.
The same goes for other shrooms. Liberty caps take 20 to forty or more shrooms fresh to be the equivelent of a Mazatec Ceremonial dosage.
Then when dried, one gram is a high and 2 grams equals an indian dosage. With one gram the average.
Now on P. cyanescens. one to three fresh mushrooms depending on weight.
If four large fresh Psilocybe cyanescens mushrooms equal one fresh ounce of shrooms then you would be able to get four to six people high.
If the same bag has fifty or more shrooms equaling one fresh ounce then you might get ten to twenty people high.
When dried, P. cyanescens can sometimes provide over ten dosages to a single gram, especially if many pinners are collected from a patch, they are very potent in that stage and five or six half-inched sized shrooms can be more potent than a large fresh mushroom weighing a quarter of an ounce.
P. Baeocystis are very potent when fresh but lose more than half to 3/4's of their potency in drying.
P. azurescens,a potent species loses two/thirds of their potency within two months of drying. while the liberty caps and the P. cyanescens retain about 90% of their potency.
Copelandia cyanescens takes approx. 7 to 10 fresh mushrooms or one gram dried, but people report tolerance to this species with repeated usage over a few years which requires many to eat from 50 to 200 shrooms to get off on later on. One gram dried is as potent as 7 to 10 fresh.
Panaeolus subbalteatus is as potent by weight as P. cubensis requiring from one fresh ounce or more per dose or from five big shrooms to twenty to forty equaling an ounce or more. and from 3-5 grams dried.
Have a shroomy day.
Keep them in paper bags or in jars with rubber stoppers. One batch of P. semilanceata was analysed form England and was originally collected in the late 1850 near London. It was recently analysed and found to be as potent as liberty caps collected from 1976.
and from a few years later.
|By Cragith Kilbonith (Kilborn) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 09:53 pm:|
Thanks mj i love your site and your posts Why dont you want to keep mushrooms in honey? pan cyans are beasts! thanks once again.
|By Vcshrooms (Vcshrooms) on Friday, December 14, 2001 - 04:28 pm:|
My friend knows a guy who's selling mushrooms. He said they were wet, and they were rolled in the baggie. They're suppose to be good because someone took some and had some fun. But my thought was, "they shouldn't be wet and sealed in a baggie." Any thoughts on this? Should these be avoided because they weren't properly dried? Or are they OK to eat since someone else ate some and didn't have any problems?
|By jared (Jared112) on Friday, December 14, 2001 - 04:30 pm:|
They won't be good for more than a few days wet, if that unless he keeps them cold.
|By quote: (Quote) on Friday, December 14, 2001 - 07:39 pm:|
they are ok to eat as long as they aren't rotting.
long term a plastic baggie will cause rot quicker than paper bags.
|By jim brown (Shrhobbyist) on Friday, December 14, 2001 - 10:48 pm:|
It would seem like this dude might be selling them wet to make the most money out of the weight he has. Maybe not, maybe he doesn't have a way to dry them. If you don't mind me asking, what were his prices like for wet shrooms.
|By Mjshroomer (Mjshroomer) on Saturday, December 15, 2001 - 06:00 pm:|
Placing shrooms in a baggie when they are not dry is a nono. It ruins the baggie.
Remember to keep them in paper bags when fresh. You did not mention if they were fresh shrooms in a wet baggie or if they were bagged days before and were still wet. and then how wet is wet.
Do not ruin good hemp baggies for shrooms.
savor their flavor when fresh, store them in an icebox door side for 7-10 days and they will usually stay fresh or dry them.
Then they last a long time.
And of course wet does mean a bigger weight. However, wet and fresh are two different sides of the shroomiverse.