Part 9, Curing AIDS Victims & Debunking Deadly Medical/Media Drug Dogma ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The following transcript is of a tape-recorded broadcast by NO-commercials, NO-corporate-influences, listener-funded, beacon-of-truth Pacifica Radio Network station for the People: WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) MICHAEL ELLNER: Also, all the T cell tests that Frank Bonacas[sp] has been looking at, where they talk about normal T cells .... he couldn't find a test that didn't involve people using AZT. So, my guess is that we really don't know what normal T cell levels are. And certainly, those tests have to be looked at with a grain of salt because if people are using AZT, it certainly would bias the results. It's a terrible drug. GARY NULL: Alright. Thank you, Michael. If people would like more information on the weekly meetings that you provide, tell us how people could reach you. MICHAEL ELLNER: They can call (212) 674-HOPE. And thanks for being a voice out there. I would hate to think what it would be like if there was no Gary Null. You're one of the few beacons in this crisis, and you're well appreciated; you and Tony Brown and a few others. The Natives have been the only people who have had the courage, through the broadcast media, to tell the truth. Bless you. GARY NULL: Well, thank you, Michael. Michael Ellner of HEAL. And he also was referring to Tony Brown, who IS one of the few broadcast journalists who is not afraid to go on the line on these issues. And also, over to the New York Native with John Lorenson, who is going to be on this program tomorrow. He has done a lot of work. And again, we're not saying that this is the first and last word. We're saying that in any type of major health crisis, we should have an open mind and look at all the different areas, and see what is reasonable and what makes sense. I would like to thank my guests, Dr. Root-Bernstein, Michael Ellner and Dr. Morton Walker. I'm Gary Null. This is a continuation of our series on the Politics of Science and Medicine, which will be going on for this entire week. I hope that you'll have an opportunity to listen in each day, right here at 99.5 FM on the the dial, WBAI. [The following day's program is transcribed below.] GARY NULL: This series examines the politics influencing the state of Science and Medicine in the United States today. We're exploring the topic of AIDS, but from a different perspective -- one that you have generally not heard or seen in the mainstream Media. We're going to ask some questions as to why that is the case. Why, with all the resources, the unlimited budgets to explore, the access to authorities, why is it that they have not come up with the understandings or revelations that we have been able to share with you on a daily basis? And, at some point, this becomes paramount because if, in any way, it can be shown that the Mass Media has been complicitous in continuing to perpetuate any myth which deprives a person of an opportunity to have the benefit of a system of healing, or which deprives a person of an understanding of the cause of their disease, then we must also make the Media share the responsibility for the continuation of that suffering. My guests today are individuals who have uniquely personal feelings about the subject of AIDS, because, according to the traditional line, they are all victims of this plague. Is that, indeed, their thoughts? Do they feel as if they are helpless? Do they feel that they are going to die? Many people who are diagnosed as HIV- positive immediately equate HIV with AIDS, and they equate AIDS with suffering and death. You'll hear THEIR stories, and I feel these are stories that we should pay carefull attention to. Medicine will say: "Well, these testimonies are insignificant because they are anecdotal, and, therefore, they have no major value." In reply, I would suggest that you must then discount ninety-five percent of all Medicine because what do you have with persons taking AZT, but anecdotal references! Now, in the case of AZT, are we examining the people who have used it, done the protocol exactly as the physician instructed, and died in rather large numbers, and have we asked the question: "Did the drug, in any way, contribute to their failing health or disease"? Do we have an epidemic of iatrogenic [induced by the physician's treatment] disease that they're calling AIDS? We'll explore that question with one of our guests right now: John Lorenson[sp]. Welcome to the program, John. John, the issue that came to my mind with the case of Arthur Ashe was that Arthur was using AZT and the other toxic drugs. And, as I saw him over a period of months, met with him, spoke with him and tried to encourage him to at least be open to exploring alternative [wholistic] therapies, none of which he ultimately used, he kept holding to the belief that his AZT and DDI and DDC were the drugs that would help him, even though he continued to go downhill and downhill and downhill -- even though he had an opportunity to see, which he did, and hear, which he did, and to review literature, which he did, from people who had NOT used AZT -- people with advanced AIDS who were doing remarkably well. In fact, they were completely healthy despite the fact that they still had the HIV virus. So, here was a man who was both sensitive to the issues, educated, yet he still, in my opinion, fell victim to that iron-grip hand that the Medical Community has over how we perceive disease and what the treatment modality should be. So, from your perspective, in the very methodical way that you're more than capable of doing, would you please lay out the story of AZT and the other analogues, and give us the side of the story that the Mass Media has thus far omitted from our awareness. JOHN LORENSON: I think I read a dozen obituaries on Arthur Ashe. And only one in the New York Times mentioned that he had been on AZT and didn't do well, and then was shifted to DDI which is another nucleoside analogue. Now, in his case, he was sick. I don't know the reasons why he was sick, but certainly he had health problems. But a much more striking case is that of Rudolph Nureyev. Nureyev was not sick at all. He was in fine health when he was given a diagnosis of being HIV-positive. He was given an experimental French drug which apparently was not too toxic, and for a couple of years he continued to perform and was in great shape. And THEN they put him on AZT, and he began to decline. And he died, in my opinion, very clearly, from AZT poisoning. So this was a healthy person who was killed off by therapay that there was no reason in the world he should have had in the first place. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This information could benefit millions of people who have, or who will have the HIV virus. So please help to disseminate it by posting the episodes of this ongoing series to computer bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. John DiNardo ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You can contact Gary Null at (212) 799-1243 P.O. 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