Part, Curing AIDS Victims & Debunking Deadly Medical/Media Drug Dogma ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The following transcript is of a tape-recorded broadcast by NO-commercials, NO-corporate-influences, listener-funded, beacon-of-truth Pacifica Radio Network station for the People: WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) GARY NULL: Recently, I have been advising people who are going to their physicians to get full-spectrum viral analyses done. Now these are people who have no risk factors. They don't smoke. They're vegetarians. They have not had any unsafe sex. They don't drink. In other words, people whom we would say are the healthiest of the healthy in our society. Many of them are runners. People of all ages. And what we have found is that virtually ALL of the viruses, except HIV, are in all of these people. In other words, they had titers of Epstein-Barr virus and cytomegalovirus and SE-40[?] and adeno[?] and herpes and so on. BUT they had no symptoms. They were completely well. If you looked at all other health indicators except the viral load, you would say that there is nothing wrong with these persons. That tells me that these [viruses] are completely natural. They are virtually endemic in the vast majority of Americans. And just to say that a person has a virus, in and of itself, should not be the indicator for starting an aggressive treatement, but rather, whether it is at a higher or lower titer, and whether there are lifestyle factors that the person is engaging in that would exacerbate that [viral condition]. And I think that that has not been looked at adequately at all. DR. BERNSTEIN: Well, consider the fact that over half of all Americans are infected for most of their lives with cytomegalovirus. Almost all Americans end up being infected with Epstein-Barr virus at some point in their lives, and they carry that around for the rest of their lives. You can never get rid of it. And yet, the number of people with an active infection is less than one-hundredth of one percent at any given time. We are all carrying the viruses around. As long as we're healthy, these viruses do absolutely nothing to us. And I'm sure that that is true of HIV and the vast majority of other viruses, as well. GARY NULL: But that wouldn't be true for people who have been on extensive antibiotic treatment for chronic fatigue syndrome who have exacerbation of their condition. The same for Lyme disease. And we're not looking at the iatrogenic [illnes induced by the treatment itself] factor, the fact that we have taken the idea, as a common model in medicine that you must attack and destroy a disease, knowing that you're also destroying the body, but you figure that maybe you can kill the virus or bacteria before you kill the body. And that is just a very unreasonable way of approaching disease. DR. BERNSTEIN: Well certainly, if you're going to treat it with antibiotics, you have to be aware -- and unfortunately, I've run into many physicians who aren't -- that most antibiotics will take out trace elements: zinc, selenium, things like that that are crucial for immune system function. Many of them actually operate by the antibiotic. They bind up folate, for example, or some of the other vitamins that are essential to immune system function. That's fine if you're treating a healthy person with a two-week course of antibiotics. It's not fine if you're going to treat people chronically. And yet, I've met almost no physician who replaces whatever the antibiotic has taken out or even thinks to look to see if things are BEING eliminated from the body that need to be replaced. GARY NULL: Dr. Bernstein, last night when we were talking, you mentioned that there was something that most people don't understand about hemophiliacs and AIDS. Could you share that information with the audience? DR. BERNSTEIN: Well, most hemophiliacs in the United States are now infected with HIV. However, the rate at which they develop AIDS is less than a third of the rate at which anyone else does. And the longer the AIDS epidemic has existed, the more hemophiliacs are surviving without any complications. I think this is very interesting because we have, in a sense, a control group who are all infected and, unless they have chronic active hepatitis or they're using very, very large amounts -- as, for example, Ryan White had to do -- of this factor concentrate that is full of all sorts of junk, they are surviving just fine. It's the people who are very severe, who are getting lots of blood transfusions ..... You have to realize that hemophiliacs also have other immune-suppressive risks. They're often treated with cortico-steroids and things like that that are immune-suppressive; or with joint injuries. Because of bleeding in the joints, they get gold salts which, again, are immune- suppressive. People who have rheumatism or arthritis are sometimes treated with these. There are a lot of things that get thrown in here which we don't consider as AIDS risks, but are present. And yet, even so, hemophiliacs are very, very healthy. GARY NULL: Okay. Thank you very much, Dr. Bernstein. We look forward to your book in mid-March. DR. ROOT BERNSTEIN: Thank you. GARY NULL: Michael Ellner, to close out the program today, Mike, I'd like for you to talk about some of the ways that you've seen people who came to your group with AIDS who have made improvements. MICHAEL ELLNER: There's no single recipe, but I will say that people who have followed programs that are very similar to your own protocol, to the Hotis[sp] protocol, to Natural Hygiene .... There's a new product out of Australia called abaca[sp] which really seems to be very promising. It's not an AIDS treatment, but it helps the immune system to build itself up, and it seems to be helping all the people we know who are using it. But mostly, it's good health habits. And it's buying out of the dogma that HIV equals AIDS equals death. I wish Dr. Bernstein would include in his risk factors intense and chronic fear. People who test HIV [positive] live in constant terror. And when you're around it -- and I know that you've seen it -- you realize that this can undermine the immune system. Also, I would be very willing to be injected with pure HIV, as would Dr. Peter Duesberg and Brian Ellison, if this would demonstrate, once and for all, that HIV does not cause AIDS. And if it would get the attention that it deserves, I would certainly offer myself up. I am CONVINCED that HIV is not the cause of AIDS. I don't even think that it's a factor. I think it's discourteous to keep on calling it a "co-factor." It hasn't demonstrated any sufficient role in AIDS. Yet, they keep concentrating on it. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This information could benefit millions of people who have, or who will have the HIV virus. So please help to disseminate it by posting the episodes of this ongoing series to computer bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. 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