Aucbvax.1867 fa.info-cpm utzoo!duke!decvax!ucbvax!AFITGORDON@BBNB Tue Jun 23 03:51:03 1981 Response to Berkeley (1) Hi, All, Discussion seems to have been renewed! Marvelous! It looks like some real UNIX hackers (system programmer types) have gotten into the act! Welcome! In response to the first irate UNIX hacker (name unknown) [msg dted 16 Jun at 20:58:12-PTD from duke!decvax!unc!smb at Berkeley], I wonder what he read!?! First of all, I assume he is referring to the message of 15 Jun at 12:31 EDT from AFITGORDON since it is 27,700+ chars and he made reference to a 25K file. The following answers his accusations in order (the order in his message): 1. He claims that I said that "CP/M has more proven tools than UNIX". What I said was "I have not seen comparable field-proven software on the NEW UNIX systems" (pg 7), which is not saying the same thing; to be exact, I was hoping it would invite information which would increase my own knowledge on the subject of UNIX tools. 2. I did NOT say that UNIX has "No screen editor"; what I said was "Are there any screen oriented editors and formatters?" (pg 3). 3. I did NOT say that UNIX had "No ability for ... user to have a tailored command set"; what I said was "special work environments, each with their own set of commands, can be easily created" (pg 4, par 1.) and "specialized shells or even menu-driven command environments can be created with ease" (pg 4, par 2.). 4. I did NOT say that UNIX does NOT support transportability; what I said was "Both UNIX .... an CP/M are generally adequate, extensible, and support transportable software" (pg 7, 2nd full par). Further, I am aware of Bell's portability ideas from "Portability of C Programs and the UNIX System", BSTJ, Jul-Aug 78, Vol 57, No 6, Part 2, ISSN0005-8580, by Johnson and Ritchie. 5. Finally, your impression is correct concerning my use of UNIX. I have touched it just a few times, and do NOT have extensive experience with it. We are running UNIX on our PDP 11/60 at AFIT, and I am involved on its committee and have touched it only once. My data in these messages (as I have already stated) comes from the Bell System Technical Journal I have been quoting and our own UNIX manuals. Appearantly, this message has stemmed from the sender reading all sorts of things into my message. He has been trying to put words into my mouth while we are saying the same thing all along! The purpose of my messages has been to pass data, and I encourage your responses concerning data (with references) on UNIX. But let's not launch any personal, critical attacks based upon what you are reading into what I am saying as opposed to what I am actually saying. Your message only provided a minimum of new info on V7 PWB and 32V (UNIX-32 for VAX?), and the rest of it repeated what I already said (agreeing with me, by the way). If you do not feel that you have agreed with me, cite the page and paragraph in which I said something contrary to your views. If you or anyone else wishes to review the entire dialog, I have been maintaining a reading file of what I considered to be the critical messages (both sides) and will be happy to transmit it to you (preferably FTP it). Rick Conn ------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- gopher://quux.org/ conversion by John Goerzen of http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/ This Usenet Oldnews Archive article may be copied and distributed freely, provided: 1. There is no money collected for the text(s) of the articles. 2. The following notice remains appended to each copy: The Usenet Oldnews Archive: Compilation Copyright (C) 1981, 1996 Bruce Jones, Henry Spencer, David Wiseman.