orb@fusebox: the oppressed people of the soviet union didnt rebel; their communist state collapsed orb@fusebox: Regan spent them into the ground w/ the arms race orb@fusebox: similarly, china won't be able to keep pace in the world with the American Empire asserting its dominance orb@fusebox: they work on a flawed ideology and suffer from massive overpopulation TheBrick: What is wrong with the person that asks "Do you know where to get the GM of 10.3", and then leaves? orb@fusebox: they will fail. TheBrick: Is that a question that is asked with the intention of a reply? orb@fusebox: what do you mean? someone logged in, asked you that, and left before you could answer? TheBrick: yes :-p TheBrick: What a moron orb@fusebox: stranger things have happened TheBrick: I know. orb@fusebox: he may have been disconnected by accident TheBrick: He didn't log back in TheBrick: or some of my admins got annoyed and kicked him... orb@fusebox: wow. was he a guest? if his client crashed he'd have to reload the tracker khemfusion: learning how to operate your brain TheBrick: Tracker? those still exist? khemfusion: learning how to operate your mind orb@fusebox: yes haha mostly crap servers on them now tho orb@fusebox: how long have you been using hotline? khemfusion: since the first release of 1.2.3 orb@fusebox: I remember when 1.2.2 was upgraded to 1.2.3, so that should give you an idea for me Horny Bastard: heh i was on hotline a long time ago when it first came out.. orb@fusebox: my server was the best of its kind in those days Horny Bastard: then stopped after a whil;e khemfusion: Rob's Online Central Religion Dispension Centre? khemfusion: even though dispension is not a word khemfusion: Rob's Central Online Religion Dispensing Centre orb@fusebox: no, I wasn't a christian at the time orb@fusebox: I had a warez server, but the software got old pretty fast. khemfusion: How did you find the path orb@fusebox: we werent so interested in filez as we were just being script kiddies orb@fusebox: hacked other servers, nearly got hacked by others, etc khemfusion: I meant, why did you become more religious orb@fusebox: I started going to church, thats how I found the path orb@fusebox: my family doesn't go to church orb@fusebox: I started going when I was 16 khemfusion: You must have had a reason to start going to church orb@fusebox: my mom & sis came with me originally, e were invited by a family friend orb@fusebox: mom & sis lost interest but I stayed orb@fusebox: I was interested in God orb@fusebox: and I'm a believer now =) Horny Bastard: THERE IS NO GOD khemfusion: Prove it orb@fusebox: sure there is khemfusion: Prove it khemfusion: Actually, rob doesn't have to prove it khemfusion: because that is science khemfusion: rob, for what reason do you believe there is a good mr. seduction: SUBWAY TIME mr. seduction: afk khemfusion: *god mr. seduction: and watching buffy khemfusion: mr j, what proof do you have that a god can not exist? Horny Bastard: im here khemfusion: a god put you here orb@fusebox: well, my initial conclusion that God must exist was a question of ethics mr. seduction: my greatest fear is that there is no hell because there can't be a devil if there is no god.. and if there were a god, he would never allow such suffering orb@fusebox: my parents' marriage broke up because my dad slept w/ his secretary and thought there was nothing wrong with it orb@fusebox: but I said to myself, of course there is. khemfusion: Well you see, your mother obviously wasn't satisfying her husbands sexual desires mr. seduction: GONNA HANG OUT WITH MY WANG OUT mr. seduction: GONNA ROCK OUT WITH MY COCK OUT khemfusion: GONNA GET ARRESTED FOR INDECENT EXPOSURE mr. seduction: NO orb@fusebox: but who decided right from wrong? I knew, intrinsically, that there are such things as absolute rights and wrongs. khemfusion: dude, if you walk around subway with your penis hanging out of your pants, you will get the police called on you mr. seduction: i already went to subway mr. seduction: now i eat mr. seduction: goodbye orb@fusebox: therefore, a supreme authority must decide what these are, and that supreme authority would be God khemfusion: anyways, if your dad didn't confront his wife first with his problems, he is in the wrong orb@fusebox: so I decided to learn orb@fusebox: and I decided Jesus has the best case for himself (especially since no one else even makes the claims he does, and his stand up well) khemfusion: What are some things that jesus has claimed? orb@fusebox: and as soon as I decided I wanted his presence in my life, he started delivering mr. seduction: i wish purolator was like that orb@fusebox: so, now I'm a christian orb@fusebox: jesus' claims? well... orb@fusebox: he claims mdivinity Horny Bastard: whore bring us subway mr. seduction: no mr. seduction: i'm eating mr. seduction: afk orb@fusebox: that is, being God in human form khemfusion: I also, look to god khemfusion: whenever I have a question, I ask god orb@fusebox: he claims to be the fulfillment of all the prophecy of the Old Testament regarding the messiah, as he is in the process of fulfilling them khemfusion: I can communicate in the languge of god khemfusion: electrons and photons orb@fusebox: and ultimately fulfills them all, save for the ones involving the end of the world.. but these include where he was born, how he died, his resurrection.. stuff you cant fake Horny Bastard: if you do not have proof something exists you must assume it does not Horny Bastard: if the glove dont fit you must aquit orb@fusebox: do you have proof I exist? Horny Bastard: yes orb@fusebox: what? Horny Bastard: we had sex last night orb@fusebox: that is a lie. TheBrick: What is god? Horny Bastard: i just left god in the toilet a few min ago? khemfusion: God is your own brain khemfusion: the brain is a photovore khemfusion: your brain, my brain, live on light Horny Bastard: hmm orb@fusebox: God, n. The creator of the universe; omnipotent omnipresent intelligence predating and unconstained by time & space; see also "the Alpha and Omega" khemfusion: use your head khemfusion: learn how to operate your brain Horny Bastard: heh Horny Bastard: dude khemfusion: the brain is designed to design realities Horny Bastard: god no Horny Bastard: you cannot prove there is a god TheBrick: God = the spiritual climax of the individual Horny Bastard: so therfore it doenst exist khemfusion: you also can't prove there isn't a god khemfusion: so what does that mean Horny Bastard: religion is just a way to control the masses TheBrick: It's more of a way of life I believe khemfusion: organized religion TheBrick: I wrote an article on the western world and it's compatibility with christianity Horny Bastard: heh well you cant be religious when your government controls you orb@fusebox: khemfusion: the brain is designed khemfusion: the brain is designed to design realities khemfusion: I'd like to meet the designer Horny Bastard: heh Horny Bastard: yea itd be good if you met your real parents one day khemfusion: hurrrr hurrrr orb@fusebox: it has been argued that the existence of God is unprovable Horny Bastard: yes TheBrick: I believe in Pahana Horny Bastard: and so is the non existance orb@fusebox: that is only half true Horny Bastard: you cannot prove that you exist beyond your own consicousness TheBrick: Pahana, the initial spirit orb@fusebox: it is not possible to prove the existence of God *beyond all doubt* khemfusion: I think breast implants should be made illegal TheBrick: breast implants are for cyborgs TheBrick: Half flesh half love doll... Horny Bastard: heh dude khemfusion: actually, I don't think they should be illegal khemfusion: because that's just silly Horny Bastard: give me one piece of evidence that cant be countered orb@fusebox: Cogito, ergo sum. I think, therefore I am. If you can make this statement (expressing its meaning, not simply paroting) then you exist. Horny Bastard: heh uhh what? orb@fusebox: sorry that wasnt an asnwer to what you just asked for orb@fusebox: it was a reply to something above -> khemfusion: What if you exist to think Horny Bastard: what if you think to exist? orb@fusebox: existence is a requirement for the ability to think orb@fusebox: a prerequisite, in fact Horny Bastard: no orb@fusebox: you can think without existing? Horny Bastard: i know lots of people who dont think and exist Horny Bastard: and really do i exist? orb@fusebox: so do I. I said that you must exist before youc an think orb@fusebox: not that you must think before you can exist Horny Bastard: do i exist? orb@fusebox: a rhetorical question. You refer to yourself in it therefore it is self-answering. khemfusion: Depends on your definition of existence Horny Bastard: no it is not TheBrick: by all means orb@fusebox: yes it is/. Horny Bastard: no Horny Bastard: i do not exist Horny Bastard: you cant prove it orb@fusebox: that is a lie. Horny Bastard: for all you know i am a figment of your imagination Horny Bastard: a hallucination TheBrick: If you are capable of writing that question you have already proved your existens. orb@fusebox: I know that I am not hallucinating you, J. Horny Bastard: heh Horny Bastard: yes mr im locked in a padded room TheBrick: Like the TV; a collective hallucination. Horny Bastard: for all you know you could be a psychotic locked up in a room Horny Bastard: hallucinating you are in a highschool dorm Horny Bastard: er orb@fusebox: haha TheBrick: TV is an hallucinogen for communists. Horny Bastard: college Horny Bastard: heh Horny Bastard: so anyways Horny Bastard: im right Horny Bastard: you cannot prove anything beyond your conciousness khemfusion: Orb has never experienced a drug induced hallucination Horny Bastard: heh khemfusion: so this concept is difficult for him to comprehend Horny Bastard: heh Horny Bastard: you get it though right? khemfusion: Crystal clear orb@fusebox: I'm not locked up in a room hallucinating that I'm talking to some guy onlin who claims that he doesnt exist and insists that I'm really a hallucinating headcase locked in a rubber room orb@fusebox: bleh, say that 3 times fast khemfusion: If you were hallucinating, you would never know orb@fusebox: khem you knew when you were tripping the other night Horny Bastard: heh Horny Bastard: but he couldnt be certain khemfusion: because I had the ability to check myself to reality Horny Bastard: thats why he got angry orb@fusebox: besides, hallucinations have limits. They dont lock you in a world like The Matrix khemfusion: Please never try DMT then khemfusion: or you will find yourself in an unfamiliar world khemfusion: brought about only by your mind Horny Bastard: heh Horny Bastard: orb.. do not talk about that which you do not know khemfusion: Oh, he can make assumptions Horny Bastard: heh Horny Bastard: just as he assumes there is agod khemfusion: And he assumes that we are not a construct of his mind orb@fusebox: oh, I can study psychology. I know to what extent the human mind can be messed with Horny Bastard: yes Horny Bastard: heh Horny Bastard: you can study electricity too orb@fusebox: I dont *assume* there is a God orb@fusebox: I *know* there is Horny Bastard: but until you play with it you dont know shit Horny Bastard: god is a creation of your mind Horny Bastard: along iwth every other thoguht Horny Bastard: and every image or thing you "see" Horny Bastard: is your minds interpretation of what it is Horny Bastard: how do you know blue is blue? Horny Bastard: you were told by someone else TheBrick: TV is an hallucinogen for communists. Horny Bastard: but do you know the blue you see is the same color as the blue i see? orb@fusebox: oh fine. You can say there is no God all you want, but you won't be able to prove it unless you can figure out where the great conspiracy hid his body =P Horny Bastard: seriously think about that.. Horny Bastard: the only things you know Horny Bastard: are hwat you have been told khemfusion: and what has been hard coded into your DNA orb@fusebox: yeah your brain cycles electromagnetic radiation at the highest wavelength your eyes can detect the same way mine does Horny Bastard: heh Horny Bastard: prove it? khemfusion: Colour blind people, tri-chromatics TheBrick: and think about this: A person that you have not met, in one way or the other, does not exist. orb@fusebox: sure. Electronic eyes for the blind have been implanted and use colours Horny Bastard: yea..... TheBrick: and think about this: A person that you have not met, in one way or the other, does not exist, to you, i. e. orb@fusebox: they're massively bulky and give a poor image, but they plug into the visual cortex and display an image Horny Bastard: but can they really see the same colors as me? orb@fusebox: perception is not reality Horny Bastard: or are they just told hey thats blue Horny Bastard: but in fact if i saw through their eyes it could be green TheBrick: perception is always! orb@fusebox: if you look at yourself in a distorted mirror, your body has not really twisted that way khemfusion: how do you know khemfusion: because you can gauge reality khemfusion: by looking down at your own body TheBrick: There are tracks in my iTunes that does not exist for you until I decide to release them... TheBrick: marketing term: perception is always! Horny Bastard: you cannot prove anything beyond your conciousness Horny Bastard: that is all Horny Bastard: thank you for your arguments Horny Bastard: they are wrong orb@fusebox: perception is not reality. It is only your limited ability to detect it. Messing with your senses does not affect reality, only your ability to percieve it. TheBrick: But you could fancy a shiny car Horny Bastard: umm Horny Bastard: if your senses are messed with from birth it does Horny Bastard: your reality becomes different fro meveryone elsses TheBrick: perception is not reality. It is only your limited ability to detect it, and for your desires to make you patriotic and add wishful thinking. orb@fusebox: if perception was reality, and I could control my perceptions, then I could control reality, and make myself a multibillionaire with three dicks orb@fusebox: now lets see.. hrmm... nope its not happening orb@fusebox: relaity must exist. khemfusion: You don't believe it, that is why orb@fusebox: *reality orb@fusebox: OOOoooooh is THAT it. TheBrick: You totally forget to add metavalue to perception orb@fusebox: why would I choose to believe anything that is undesireable if I didn't have to? I can control reality because it doesnt exist, it's just part of my conciousness. orb@fusebox: I am Neo, the world is a dream. I can control dreams. Lets change reality now... orb@fusebox: nope still not happening. Horny Bastard: heh Horny Bastard: do you control your mind or does it control you? orb@fusebox: but, if I were dreaming, I would be able to control it. The fact that I can declares that I'm awake Horny Bastard: umm Horny Bastard: no you souldnt khemfusion: I often am unable to control my dream Horny Bastard: do you control your dreams? khemfusion: (s) khemfusion: That is lucid dreaming and is very rare orb@fusebox: once you realise you are dreaming, it becomes a 'waking dream', and yes you can control what goes on orb@fusebox: I've done it, I know orb@fusebox: there are techniques to let a person control all their dreams once they're asleep orb@fusebox: they just have to clue in to the fact they are asleep. They jsut have to consider it for a moment and they realise it is so. khemfusion: a dream within a dream orb@fusebox: no, just a dream Horny Bastard: khem.. khemfusion: when you are born, does someone clue you into the fact that you are dreaming? Horny Bastard: lets slip rob some shrooms khemfusion: so you can control your actions khemfusion: or is it coded in our dna orb@fusebox: when you are born, you are without language and your brain has not fully developed. Contemplating such ideas would not really be possible. khemfusion: You remember being born? orb@fusebox: but, dreams are limited, eh? You cant feel pain or process certain things, like written text. You can't read in a dream. Horny Bastard: umm how do you know khemfusion: Just because you've never done that in a dream, doesn't mean that you can't do it Horny Bastard: you dont remember most of the dream when you wake up orb@fusebox: no of course I dont. Memory uses language cues for recollection, thats why people have trouble remember incidents prior to learning to speak Horny Bastard: reality doesnt exist Horny Bastard: its a figment of your imagination orb@fusebox: no they've done scans of the brains of sleeping people and seen that those areas responsible for certain kinds of thought have minimal activity. They don't play a part in REM sleep. orb@fusebox: J, that is ridiculous orb@fusebox: thats an argument riv would make khemfusion: Everything you do is controlled by your brain Horny Bastard: heh exactly Horny Bastard: you do not understand orb@fusebox: right before having a Stoned Losers Anonymous party Horny Bastard: man orb@fusebox: riv.. so sad... Horny Bastard: now you resort to insults Horny Bastard: because you know you are wrong orb@fusebox: hah. Horny Bastard: you cannot prove your reality exists orb@fusebox: you havent backed up your claim AT ALL yet Horny Bastard: so how can you prove your god exists? orb@fusebox: sure I can. I'mm go to bed, have a fantasy, and wake up. Reality will still be here. khemfusion: Our claim is that everything you do is processed through your brain orb@fusebox: it doesnt go away. Dreams do. Horny Bastard: not all dreams do Horny Bastard: some dreams reflect your "reality" orb@fusebox: even recurring dreams go away eventually orb@fusebox: or they simply repeat- reality doesnt do that khemfusion: Most people don't remember there dreams once they wake up orb@fusebox: dreams reflecting reality dont connect with reality. khemfusion: so how do you know that they just aren't remembering the recurring dream any longer orb@fusebox: they simply use scenes and characters drawn from memoy orb@fusebox: *memory orb@fusebox: this discussion is becoming circular Horny Bastard: heh Horny Bastard: because you keep reguritating the same shit khemfusion: >>even recurring dreams go away eventually khemfusion: Most people don't remember their dreams once they wake up khemfusion: so how do you know that they just aren't remembering the recurring dream any longer orb@fusebox: you can aply doubt to your ability to differentiate between reality and fantasy all you like, but I really doubt that you're going to log off the server tonight unsure of whether you're in the real world or not khemfusion: Everyday I ask myself, what the fuck is going on khemfusion: I don't just reserve that thought for when I log on to preterhuman Horny Bastard: as do i orb@fusebox: you ask yourself that every day and you dont figure it out? Horny Bastard: nope Horny Bastard: i dont Horny Bastard: it seems real Horny Bastard: but i cannot control my world Horny Bastard: i am simply a pawn Horny Bastard: as are you orb@fusebox: is that a perception of yours? =P Horny Bastard: you only get so many choices in your life free of outside influence Horny Bastard: shoudl you choose not to do what you are told Horny Bastard: you get fucked Horny Bastard: anyways i am going to sleep witn ym beautiful girlfirend Horny Bastard: until i wake up and she is no longer in my reality Horny Bastard: goodnight orb@fusebox: goodnight mr. seduction: man you psychos sure talked a lot mr. seduction: i'm going to archive this orb@fusebox: I'm going to bed too. goodnight khem orb@fusebox: ... why? mr. seduction: its interesting orb@fusebox: its redundant khemfusion: make sure to archive : khemfusion: dude, if you walk around subway with your penis hanging out of your pants, you will get the police called on you orb@fusebox: lol mr. seduction: heh.. orb@fusebox: goodnight you guys mr. seduction: cya khemfusion: 3930.2M downloaded, 954.5M uploaded, 1.1M chat, 87:03:24:57 online khemfusion: urkkk\ orb@fusebox: vale amici!