On December 19, the Mehr News Agency conducted an interview with Toben to ask why Western countries were so outraged when Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad called the Holocaust a myth. Following is the text of the interview:
Q: The Iranian president said that he thinks that the Holocaust is a myth. However, he also said some European countries insist that millions of innocent Jews were killed during the Second World War by Hitler, and asked why the Europeans don’t give part of their land to the Jews if they are correct. What is your view?
A: The Holocaust is a lie because none of its three main pillars on which it rests are factually true or proven.
1. Germany -- Hitler systematically exterminated European Jewry. There is simply no proof of this claim -- it was a transfer of Jews, and together with Zionist collaboration, German Jews arrived in Palestine -- with their property. Others were moved out of German territory -- and Auschwitz was a transit camp.
2. The killing was done in huge chemical slaughterhouses -- homicidal gas chambers. This is a technical impossibility because you can work out how long it would take, for example, to kill one million people -- the size of a city like Adelaide -- without anyone finding out about it. The world soon found out President Bush lied about Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction -- that lie didn't last even one year.
3. Six million Jews were killed -- this number is mythical/religious -- and although at one time the numbers killed at Auschwitz was claimed to be 4 million, then reduced to 1-1.5 million, and now to around 500,000, the six million remains the same. Why?
Anyone who questions these three points is imprisoned -- and Revisionists must ask these questions if they wish to know the facts about the Holocaust story.
Q: If they are right, surely they can prove it as a historical fact. Why do they avoid any discussion of the Holocaust?
A: The international anger against the Iranian president's words clearly expressed the view that the post-World War Two Order is held together by the 'Holocaust' myth. You begin by stating a fact -- that Jews were moved out of Europe. Then you exaggerate the suffering such uprooting causes to individual Jews -- the suffering is not denied by anyone. Then outright lying occurs -- that Jews were gassed because Hitler hated them. World War Two was more than Hitler and the Jews. Hitler disconnected the German economy from international predatory capitalism -- and bartered freely with nations that refused to be locked into debt finance -- which was mainly controlled by International Jewish Finance.
Because the Holocaust is a lie, it must be protected legally - the hysterical reactions by world leaders indicates the Zionists have a strong hold on these individuals and governments. The Holocaust has become a religion -- in European countries you can criticise and defame Jesus, Mary, etc. but you cannot criticise the Jews and their 'Holocaust'.
Germar Rudolf has written the definitive The Rudolf Report -- which refutes the claims that gassings occurred at Auschwitz -- other individuals have done likewise. Fritjof Meyer in Germany -- he follows left-wing politics and so no prison for him -- claims that Auschwitz itself was not a killing/gassing camp, but that gassings occurred in two farm houses outside of the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp. To date no one has found remains of these two farm houses.
Q: Why has the Holocaust become a dogma while the killing of other people across the world goes unnoticed?
A: The Iranian president was correct in what he stated -- and the hatred towards him and his words indicates how powerful his words were -- the world listened to the president. Why? Because the Holocaust justifies the Jews treatment of Palestinians. Without Holocaust no reason to ethnically cleanse Palestine. So, the Zionist state of Israel, a European colonial entity, continues the racists policies against Palestinians BECAUSE of what the Jews state happened to Jews in Europe -- HOLOCAUST = a lie. Israel is thus built on a LIE.
Q: Why have revisionists been banned from discussing the Holocaust and why are those who express any doubts treated like heretics?
A: The Allies -- Britain/USA/Russia/France control German power in Europe through the Holocaust myth. Germany's possible wish to again become dominant in Europe is thereby controlled. The extermination of Germans from Germany continues as those who feel German are side-lined as Nazis, Holocaust deniers, etc.
The policy is to eliminate the Germans as an ethnic group within Germany. Many Germans see this as a German Holocaust done under the guise of multiculturalism whereby the Germans are replaced with peoples from all parts of the world. The Germans are not masters in their own home anymore. It would be if the Kurds or Turks came to Iran and took over government there.
Revisionists are patriotic people who love their country -- as Iranians love their country Iran.
Q: As an Australian citizen you were imprisoned in Germany. What was the reason?
A: In 1997 I researched the Holocaust by visiting public prosecutors and judges in Germany -- I did another trip in 1999 -- and this time the same public prosecutor I visited in 1997 arrested me. I was in prison for 7 months at Mannheim, where Ernst Zundel was. It was IRIB that followed my imprisonment, and after I came out of prison on 11 November 1999 I visited Iran for a week -- and that was good. That is why I visited Iran for the Intifada Conference again in 2001 and 2003. Iran was then the only country where people knew of the Holocaust lie.
The problem with German justice is that if you defend yourself against the Holocaust denial charge with factual information, that is considered proof that you are a heretic and that you have "lots of criminal energy". The fact that you are in court is already proof of your guilt. A defence in court gets you another charge -- so I remained silent in court -- then last year, 8 November 2004, I had the re-trial at Mannheim. But I was in Australia and I was prevented from entering Germany because the Germans had stated I was an undesirable person. And so had I gone to attend the court case, I would have been arrested at the German borders -- then had I attended court and defended myself I would have compounded my guilt -- made it worse for me. I asked the judge what I should do -- I did not hear from him.
Now the new development in Germany is led by Horst Mahler, who is challenging the law that the Holocaust is "obvious", that it need not be proven in court. Mahler has a number of individuals who are being tried for 'Holocaust denial' which in Germany is treated as an incitement to racial violence charge. Mahler is using Germar Rudolf's book, Lectures on the Holocaust as an argument that there is a need for the German judiciary to open itself to new information about the period of history called the Holocaust.
The interesting matter confronting Germans is also the problem raised by Turkey -- when they are trying to prosecute the Turkish writer who dares mention the Armenian 'Holocaust' -- a crime in Turkey.
German in origin, Dr. Fredrick Toben was raised in Australia as an Australian citizen, and speaks both English and German. Becoming interested in exonerating the German people from the anti-German racism of the Holocaust legend, he at first edited a revisionist journal called Truth Missions, which was later renamed Adelaide Institute Newsletter. He then broadened out to establish Australia's revisionist website, the Adelaide Institute. He has personally visited the site of Auschwitz and burrowed under the ruins of the alleged gas chamber, being unable to find the four holes in the roof which were supposedly used to throw in gas pellets. He has conducted regular dialogue with Exterminationists.